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2017-06-17 01:11:23 AM  
How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.
 
2017-06-17 03:51:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.


well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.
 
2017-06-17 07:17:38 AM  

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.

well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.


There are more demons in any church than outside it. American Christianity is today essentially a devil farm.
 
2017-06-17 07:31:57 AM  
"Or you can be like me and stiff the honest mar...I mean workers out of every dollar and get rich!"
 
2017-06-17 07:32:03 AM  
Honest job? I guess that means Trump never had any dignity. What a surprise.
 
2017-06-17 07:34:29 AM  
This from a guy that requires honest laborers sue him to try to get paid.
 
2017-06-17 07:34:38 AM  
There is dignity in every honest job.  Like for example if you're a 15 year old pageant contestant and a creepy-as-fark 50 year old rich guy wanders into the dressing room while you're naked, there's dignity in that.  Or if you're a waitress at one of his golf courses and he starts getting grabby on you, then a few years later fires you because now you're disgustingly fat and old, he know what you do in the bathroom, such a nasty woman.

Lots of dignity in that.  Shut up and get back to work, sugartits, those burned steaks ain't gonna serve themselves.
 
2017-06-17 07:35:42 AM  
Like Trump has known an honest days work or has acted dignified in his life.
 
2017-06-17 07:39:59 AM  
dignity
honest

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2017-06-17 07:43:22 AM  

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.

well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.


It's a Pyramid Scheme:

img.fark.net
 
2017-06-17 07:45:16 AM  
"Dignity in Work" is another Bee Ess do whistle blasted by the GOP.  As I recall, the US Constitution says there is an inalienable right for "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".  I sure as hell don't see "work" or "subservient employment" mentioned.
 
2017-06-17 07:45:47 AM  

Gary-L: "Dignity in Work" is another Bee Ess dog whistle blasted by the GOP.  As I recall, the US Constitution says there is an inalienable right for "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".  I sure as hell don't see "work" or "subservient employment" mentioned.


* dog whistle

/Need more coffee
 
2017-06-17 07:45:59 AM  
Truly our greatest President ever.  Leading by example.  Every morning he goes on Twitter to dig himself into the biggest holes he can.
 
2017-06-17 07:47:57 AM  
Oh great, the working to make CEOs even richer by working at wages Scrooge would biatchslap you for is an act of faith bull.
 
2017-06-17 07:52:51 AM  
There's dignity in spending the first 90 minutes of your day sitting on the toilet firing off tweet storms, the next 90 having your bald head covered with a combover hairsprayed to the point that it's an explosive fire hazard, the next six hours shouting at a television set, and finally rounding off the day with a burned steak and two scoops.
 
2017-06-17 07:53:02 AM  
As much as I dislike Trump, he's actually right on this one, apprenticeship programs and trade schools need to be promoted throughout the country for kids who don't want to follow the college career path but still need good paying jobs.
 
2017-06-17 07:53:51 AM  
I'll have to remember that there's dignity in my toiling away to make my boss ever more rich while pay gets cut across the (non upper management) board.

Hello JP Morgan Chase? Yes, I was told I can pay my mortgage with dignity.
 
2017-06-17 07:58:41 AM  
"The world needs the working homeless, too"
 
2017-06-17 07:59:43 AM  

Weaver95: what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ


When it comes to morality/ethics they are keeping "two sets of books", and it allows them to avoid the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by having conflicting values.
 
2017-06-17 08:03:39 AM  

hobbes0022: As much as I dislike Trump, he's actually right on this one, apprenticeship programs and trade schools need to be promoted throughout the country for kids who don't want to follow the college career path but still need good paying jobs.


Based on Cheeto's, history, if you were to pick one end of the spectrum, which do you think his idea of apprenticeship programs and trade schools would be?

1. Actual apprenticeship programs and trade schools that genuinely promote employment

2. Transparently fraudulent scams that promise you untold wealth in a short amount of time, and the money for your "training" goes into Cheeto's pocket
 
2017-06-17 08:06:02 AM  
 
2017-06-17 08:06:06 AM  
Fully automated vehicles will be ditch digging before long.
 
2017-06-17 08:07:44 AM  
the world may need ditch diggers, but why would any rational person work a minimum wage job when you can earn more dollars per hour panhandling?  The money is even tax free.
 
2017-06-17 08:12:31 AM  

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.

well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.


Evangelicals have always wanted medieval hell
 
2017-06-17 08:14:07 AM  
"Our Apprenticeship Initiative will make it dramatically easier for employers, industry groups and unions to create exciting new apprenticeship programs that place students into high-paying careers," he continued

How can he even say this with a straight face?

Wait, this is Trump we're talking about. Lying is as easy for him as breathing.
 
2017-06-17 08:14:23 AM  
I have a feeling that whatever "apprenticeship" program he promotes will be ripe for abuse, with the apprentices just being unpaid interns doing work that someone used to be paid to do. Rather than prepare kids for well paying work, it will merely allow companies to not pay new employees for several months as they learn the ropes (congratulations, your 90 day probationary period is now unpaid!) or replace low level positions with a rotating carousal of unpaid "apprentices" (welcome to your apprenticeship! Your first assignment will be the mailroom so you can get to know the departments!). Lots of electricians and plumbers assistants will be unpaid, or paid much less (minimum wage exemptions as a trial balloon for eliminating minimum wage).

Yeah yeah, no details yet, it's all speculation, but so far Trump was striven for maximum evil in everything he's done, so tell me this isn't the most likely scenario?
 
2017-06-17 08:14:31 AM  
If you have the biggest office, you're automatically dignified. Then you work by calling people up and asking where they are with completing your building.
 
2017-06-17 08:15:16 AM  

SuperTramp: Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.

well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.

It's a Pyramid Scheme:

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Da communism is good comrade! First we must be making with the blood shed then all can be most good dirt poor workers for the mother land. O wait you are serious .jpeg
 
2017-06-17 08:15:33 AM  
That's why they feel fast food workers don't deserve a pay raise. You don't need money when you're getting paid in all that dignity.
 
2017-06-17 08:17:35 AM  
While I may agree with the sentiment, coming from him who has never had an 'honest' job in his life is an affrontery.
 
2017-06-17 08:18:54 AM  

Heywood Jublowme: SuperTramp: It's a Pyramid Scheme:

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Da communism is good comrade! First we must be making with the blood shed then all can be most good dirt poor workers for the mother land. O wait you are serious .jpeg

I figured you'd eventually resort to calling people "comrade," what with your support of the Russian Mobster squatting (and tweeting) in the White House.
 
2017-06-17 08:19:14 AM  

FatherChaos: "Our Apprenticeship Initiative will make it dramatically easier for employers, industry groups and unions to create exciting new apprenticeship programs that place students into high-paying careers," he continued

How can he even say this with a straight face?

Wait, this is Trump we're talking about. Lying is as easy for him as breathing.


Because it's true? I did go to university and switched careers and got into the trades and I make way money. Six figure incomes are not at all uncommon and even at the low end you are comfortably in the middle class after your apprenticeship is up and you are even paid while you learn. Oh well thanks again fark brigade for shiatting on the trades as being garbage work for losers!
 
2017-06-17 08:19:55 AM  

Gary-L: "Dignity in Work" is another Bee Ess do whistle blasted by the GOP.  As I recall, the US Constitution says there is an inalienable right for "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".  I sure as hell don't see "work" or "subservient employment" mentioned.


I've always considered the 'work ethic' that American Industry trumpets is the result of an one-night stand between Puritan 'Idle hands are the work of the devil' religious mores, Capitalist 'The more work you get from your workers, regardless of method, is more profit' industrial mores, and Advertising Psychology's "Establish a narrative that appears older than it actually is and people will slowly accept it as history" loving squirt into the mix.

Look at them individually and you start to understand. Take Advertising Psychology, for instance. The 'Hard Working Farmer' of the Nebulous Olden Times and the 'Soot Streaked Iron/Steel Worker' of Nebulous Contemporary Times. They invoke feelings of struggle, of completion and perseverance, of starting and finishing a job. These were people who worked hard for their money, but the context of /why/ they were working so hard for shiat pay and in such dangerous conditions is elided into the excuse of 'it was old times'. The narrative is 'America was founded on hard work, and if you are not working as hard as these people, you should be glad you get the money and benefits you do get!' and people think it true because it has the air of history and established common knowledge. It's jingoistic twaddle, used to excuse corporate malfeasance and opportunism. A company that cannot pay their workers a wage that gives them a roof over their head, food for their family, and enough to provide health and welfare for themselves and their community is not a viable business and is only in business until the conditions of their workers become untenable.

Look at the 'Idle Hands are the Tools of the Devil' and you start seeing the convenient excuse that religion pushes to help Industry going, that it is God's Divine Suggestion that you keep working or else you might fall from grace by becoming creative or have the introspection to discover something deeper of yourself like a sexuality or empathic nature that is not decreed by Religion or Industry.

And finally, look at how Corporations use the others to maintain things. Low pay because everyone else is doing it; safety improvements that aren't mandated by federal, state, and community cost money and aren't always necessary; the benefits are there to either entice employees to take lower pay or entrap by making families reliant on them for basic health care.

Really, it's all a well-crafted pastiche of deceit, sophistry, and outright violence refined over the centuries that keeps American-style industry going.
 
2017-06-17 08:22:01 AM  
Fine, I'll do it...

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/Fark be slippin'
 
2017-06-17 08:22:39 AM  
Yay, legal slave labor.
 
2017-06-17 08:24:11 AM  

Heywood Jublowme: SuperTramp: Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: How the f*ck would Trump know what an honest job is? I doubt he's ever done an honest day's work in his entire life.

well of course not.  Trump is just prepping the country for a future of low wages, minimal benefits and shorter life spans.  oh we could fix all of that, but then the rich would be slightly less rich and as we all know the gods of capitalism demand blood in return for profit.

what I don't get is that the evangelicals are very close to creating the very sort of brutal, unforgiving society they always said was the domain of their anti-christ.  On a long enough timeline I guess sooner or later everyone becomes the devil.

It's a Pyramid Scheme:

[img.fark.net image 700x866]

Da communism is good comrade! First we must be making with the blood shed then all can be most good dirt poor workers for the mother land. O wait you are serious .jpeg


This is unintentionally hilarious because you are not rich, you are simply a farking fool. And don't try to claim wealth on the internet, I have seen you post here and nobody worth a fark does so.
 
2017-06-17 08:25:11 AM  

wood0366: Gary-L: "Dignity in Work" is another Bee Ess do whistle blasted by the GOP.  As I recall, the US Constitution says there is an inalienable right for "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".  I sure as hell don't see "work" or "subservient employment" mentioned.

I've always considered the 'work ethic' that American Industry trumpets is the result of an one-night stand between Puritan 'Idle hands are the work of the devil' religious mores, Capitalist 'The more work you get from your workers, regardless of method, is more profit' industrial mores, and Advertising Psychology's "Establish a narrative that appears older than it actually is and people will slowly accept it as history" loving squirt into the mix.

Look at them individually and you start to understand. Take Advertising Psychology, for instance. The 'Hard Working Farmer' of the Nebulous Olden Times and the 'Soot Streaked Iron/Steel Worker' of Nebulous Contemporary Times. They invoke feelings of struggle, of completion and perseverance, of starting and finishing a job. These were people who worked hard for their money, but the context of /why/ they were working so hard for shiat pay and in such dangerous conditions is elided into the excuse of 'it was old times'. The narrative is 'America was founded on hard work, and if you are not working as hard as these people, you should be glad you get the money and benefits you do get!' and people think it true because it has the air of history and established common knowledge. It's jingoistic twaddle, used to excuse corporate malfeasance and opportunism. A company that cannot pay their workers a wage that gives them a roof over their head, food for their family, and enough to provide health and welfare for themselves and their community is not a viable business and is only in business until the conditions of their workers become untenable.

Look at the 'Idle Hands are the Tools of the Devil' and you start seeing the convenient excuse that religion pushes to help Industry going, that it is God's Divine Suggestion that you keep working or else you might fall from grace by becoming creative or have the introspection to discover something deeper of yourself like a sexuality or empathic nature that is not decreed by Religion or Industry.

And finally, look at how Corporations use the others to maintain things. Low pay because everyone else is doing it; safety improvements that aren't mandated by federal, state, and community cost money and aren't always necessary; the benefits are there to either entice employees to take lower pay or entrap by making families reliant on them for basic health care.

Really, it's all a well-crafted pastiche of deceit, sophistry, and outright violence refined over the centuries that keeps American-style industry going.


You mean like how "The customer is ALWAYS right" was just some random company's slogan that then became the mantra of every service industry?
 
2017-06-17 08:29:50 AM  

hobbes0022: As much as I dislike Trump, he's actually right on this one, apprenticeship programs and trade schools need to be promoted throughout the country for kids who don't want to follow the college career path but still need good paying jobs.


And this program was started by Obama. Tom Perez promoted it. Germany uses this model. Trump f*cking sucks for many reasons, but this is not the hill I would die on.
 
2017-06-17 08:32:25 AM  

MinatoArisato013: You mean like how "The customer is ALWAYS right" was just some random company's slogan that then became the mantra of every service industry?


Exactly, it was shifted from the original intent when the customer went from using their money with intent and planning since it was scarce, having done their research and found something that fulfill their requirements or had their requirements in hand and were looking for advice and recommendations, to the more consumerist fulfilling a need, the "I want a thing, but the thing I want isn't what I need so I want YOU to resolve the inherent conflict for me and take my abuse while doing it" that you see when you watch someone flip their shiat at a tech support guy.
 
2017-06-17 08:32:36 AM  

hobbes0022: As much as I dislike Trump, he's actually right on this one, apprenticeship programs and trade schools need to be promoted throughout the country for kids who don't want to follow the college career path but still need good paying jobs.


My local community college already does that, our bakery, too, has a year long training program. I'm sure other businesses are providing training , as well.
 
2017-06-17 08:35:45 AM  
He's right. There aren't enough jobs for college graduates that lead to a middle class life. Manufacturing was largely replaced with low wage retail as american consumers decided it was better to enrich to rich by buying cheap crap at Walmart. While someone with a college degree works for $9/hr without benefits selling Chinese made goods at TarMart, someone without a degree can make $35/hr as a pipe fitter with full benefits. And the pipe fitters doesn't have student loans to pay.
 
2017-06-17 08:36:00 AM  

hobbes0022: As much as I dislike Trump, he's actually right on this one, apprenticeship programs and trade schools need to be promoted throughout the country for kids who don't want to follow the college career path but still need good paying jobs.


With Trump, it's all in the details.  His private-public partnerships are publically funded construction, but the toll booths are "managed" by private equity firms.  So taxpayers face austerity to pay for the road then pay two tolls a day to use the road they paid for.  His health care plan (Ryan's)  will kick 24+ million Americans out of the system.  His foreign policy has ceded the Panama Canal and more to China.  Tearing down environmental laws won't bring blue collar coal jobs back.
Apprenticeships sounds a lot like a program where employees don't get paid for a year or two of work then get fired, and the company pockets the government money to "train" the workers.
 
2017-06-17 08:38:07 AM  
Construction workers make really good money.  And that is ENTIRELY, entirely because of the unions that a vast majority of those workers, and all Republicans, want to see dismantled as quickly as possible.
 
2017-06-17 08:38:17 AM  
He's not wrong, but really... Does anyone really believe he has the intelligence or intent to actually make things better?
 
2017-06-17 08:40:44 AM  
This means so much coming from a guy who attended wealthy boarding schools, bought his way into U of Penn, and was given millions of dollars in seed money to start his business from his rich daddy.
 
2017-06-17 08:40:48 AM  

jizzler: He's right. There aren't enough jobs for college graduates that lead to a middle class life. Manufacturing was largely replaced with low wage retail as american consumers decided it was better to enrich to rich by buying cheap crap at Walmart. While someone with a college degree works for $9/hr without benefits selling Chinese made goods at TarMart, someone without a degree can make $35/hr as a pipe fitter with full benefits. And the pipe fitters doesn't have student loans to pay.


You really shiat the bed at the end there. How many pipes need fitting?
How many computers need software and hardware?
How many humans need medical care?
Your argument is very apprentice like.
 
2017-06-17 08:42:23 AM  
Are we sure he say 'diggers'?
 
2017-06-17 08:43:02 AM  

Far Cough: Construction workers make really good money.  And that is ENTIRELY, entirely because of the unions that a vast majority of those workers, and all Republicans, want to see dismantled as quickly as possible.


No. They don't. They make a livable wage, but it isn't good money.
Your perspective is part of the problem. Being able to barely afford a 3 bedroom house in the suburbs is not really good money.
 
2017-06-17 08:44:37 AM  

ArgusRun: He's not wrong, but really... Does anyone really believe he has the intelligence or intent to actually make things better?


Well, he has a show called "The Apprentice," and uh...

But seriously, this just looks like a continuation of an Obama era policy, and one I'm in favor of.  I'm not sure why farkers are mad about this, there are so many worse stances Cheeto has taken.
 
2017-06-17 08:45:05 AM  
"There's dignity in any honest job.  You won't be able to afford to LIVE or anything but you'll die with dignity lol."
 
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