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(FanGraphs)   Throughout their modern history, the Tampa Bay Rays have never reached 80 percent of MLB average attendance in their little catwalk-riddled rumpus room of a stadium. Is there any hope of improvement?   ( fangraphs.com) divider line
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2017-06-16 01:21:10 PM  
Throughout their modern history, the Tampa Bay Rays...

As opposed to their old days?
 
2017-06-16 01:51:23 PM  
I remember when there were people saying there was no way Major League teams in Florida would fail to pack the stands.  Good times, good times.
 
2017-06-16 01:59:28 PM  
No.
 
2017-06-16 02:02:45 PM  
I went to one game there.

The fans were ringing cowbells all game long.  Annoying as crap.  No wonder people don't want to go.

Its not a tradition, its a reason to hate your team.
 
2017-06-16 02:04:26 PM  
I'd say move out of Tampa Bay, but there's not many options. Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.  Not like the Hornets are packing them in.  Panthers were eighth in NFL attendance.  Dunno if either would appreciate the competition.
 
2017-06-16 02:23:31 PM  

foo monkey: I'd say move out of Tampa Bay, but there's not many options. Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.  Not like the Hornets are packing them in.  Panthers were eighth in NFL attendance.  Dunno if either would appreciate the competition.


The Charlotte Raes ?
 
2017-06-16 02:36:15 PM  
Sorry we left you hanging with that crappy stadium.

/Love, a former White Sox fan.
 
2017-06-16 02:42:20 PM  

rc3ntexas: foo monkey: I'd say move out of Tampa Bay, but there's not many options. Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.  Not like the Hornets are packing them in.  Panthers were eighth in NFL attendance.  Dunno if either would appreciate the competition.

The Charlotte Raes ?


OMG, I can't believe I left that hanging out there.  Well-played.  I'm done.  No more Internet for me today.
 
2017-06-16 02:55:35 PM  
Solution: Play in Tampa like the other two teams in your region. That's all.

It's abundantly clear no one wants to go to St. Petersburg to watch a game in a pre-OPCY, non-retractable dome that's just sad and not trendy or anything. Build a stadium like the one Miami has, with windows facing out over the bay, but without the gaudy...thing in center, and play there.

foo monkey: Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.


I always see this, and I feel like it's Bergman Syndrome. Just because a market is big doesn't mean it's interested in Major League baseball. Of the 37 metropolitan areas in the US and Canada over 2 million people, only 25 have teams with one of the have-nots being Montreal. There are actually areas bigger than Charlotte that don't have a team, even. All of them, save Montreal, have at least minor league baseball, and only half of them are AAA level teams.

Here's a breakdown of the have-nots, in order of size:
Montreal - nothing
Portland - Short-season A (in the suburbs)
Orlando - only the GCL Braves are left
Charlotte - AAA
Sacramento - AAA
Vancouver - SSA
Salt Lake - AAA
Columbus - AAA
Indy - AAA
San Antonio - AA
Raleigh Durham - A-Advanced and AAA
Las Vegas - AAA

Interestingly enough, all 12 cities now have at least one major professional team. It's just how it is.
 
2017-06-16 02:56:29 PM  
I'd say get rid of the dome and build a nice open-air stadium...but that isn't working for Atlanta.
I'd say get rid of the dome and build a nice retractable roof stadium...but that isn't working for Miami.
I'd say get a better product on the field, but the fans left pretty quickly after their World Series run in 2008, and really weren't there before or during.
So I guess, really, that there is nothing to say.  But seriously, I'd start with a better stadium.  This could actually be one of those cases where if you build it, they docome.
 
2017-06-16 03:06:38 PM  

Cubs300: I'd say get rid of the dome and build a nice open-air stadium...but that isn't working for Atlanta.
I'd say get rid of the dome and build a nice retractable roof stadium...but that isn't working for Miami.
I'd say get a better product on the field, but the fans left pretty quickly after their World Series run in 2008, and really weren't there before or during.
So I guess, really, that there is nothing to say.  But seriously, I'd start with a better stadium.  This could actually be one of those cases where if you build it, they docome.


It's ironic since the Thunderdome (or whatever the hell they're calling it now) was built because Jerry Reinsdorf fleeced the government there into building to lure the White Sox, who then *didn't* come, and then fleeced the IL government into building them *another* stadium.

One reason to hate Jerry Reinsdorf, out of many.  Sad that he managed to outlive Krause.
 
2017-06-16 03:07:20 PM  
They should market themselves as a visitor's team.  Try to draw fans of the opposing teams, both from the elderly Florida transplants and ads in other cities for vacation packages.  Partner with Disney or Universal.  Build a stadium closer to Orlando
 
2017-06-16 03:08:50 PM  

wxboy: They should market themselves as a visitor's team.  Try to draw fans of the opposing teams, both from the elderly Florida transplants and ads in other cities for vacation packages.  Partner with Disney or Universal.  Build a stadium closer to Orlando


I'd go, but the Cubs are in the American League.
 
2017-06-16 03:09:10 PM  

shroom: wxboy: They should market themselves as a visitor's team.  Try to draw fans of the opposing teams, both from the elderly Florida transplants and ads in other cities for vacation packages.  Partner with Disney or Universal.  Build a stadium closer to Orlando

I'd go, but the Cubs are in the American

National League.
 
2017-06-16 03:33:14 PM  

foo monkey: Panthers were eighth in NFL attendance


Eighth out of 32 on a shiatty season like the Panthers just had is farking amazing.
 
2017-06-16 03:46:17 PM  

Fireproof: foo monkey: Panthers were eighth in NFL attendance

Eighth out of 32 on a shiatty season like the Panthers just had is farking amazing.


Not really. You have to be Browns-level bad before you start losing sellouts in the modern NFL. That, of course, means that most of the rankings are (8 games x Stadium Capacity). The Panthers have the ninth-biggest stadium, meaning that someone ahead of them (most likely the Rams, possibly the Snyders) finished behind them in attendance.

\random question: do London games count towards the "home" team's attendance figures?
 
2017-06-16 03:52:33 PM  

wxboy: They should market themselves as a visitor's team.  Try to draw fans of the opposing teams, both from the elderly Florida transplants and ads in other cities for vacation packages.  Partner with Disney or Universal.  Build a stadium closer to Orlando


Building it closer to Tampa would be a start.
 
2017-06-16 04:13:44 PM  
Based on some quick math, the Rays max attendance in the regular season is roughly 2.5 million people (31,000 * 81), which is roughly the overall league average (eyballing the graph in TFA).  This means they would have to sell out all their games to meet that goal, which is unrealistic.

A better goal would be to meet the average % attendance of the rest of the league.  Based on some eyeballing of the graph and a wiki table, they Rays currently average around 60% attendance, while the rest of the league is around 72%. In order to hit that 72% target, the Rays would need to average 1.8 million attendees per season, which is much more attainable.
 
2017-06-16 04:14:56 PM  
FriarReb98:
Not really. You have to be Browns-level bad before you start losing sellouts in the modern NFL. That, of course, means that most of the rankings are (8 games x Stadium Capacity). The Panthers have the ninth-biggest stadium, meaning that someone ahead of them (most likely the Rams, possibly the Snyders) finished behind them in attendance.

Two teams with larger stadiums came in behind them, the Chiefs and the Saints.

It was two because the Giants and Jets share MetLife, and both came in ahead of the Panthers.
 
2017-06-16 04:35:49 PM  
Build a new stadium, but make it smaller, so you can claim a sellout more often.
 
2017-06-16 04:47:51 PM  

Ethertap: Based on some quick math, the Rays max attendance in the regular season is roughly 2.5 million people (31,000 * 81), which is roughly the overall league average (eyballing the graph in TFA).  This means they would have to sell out all their games to meet that goal, which is unrealistic.

A better goal would be to meet the average % attendance of the rest of the league.  Based on some eyeballing of the graph and a wiki table, they Rays currently average around 60% attendance, while the rest of the league is around 72%. In order to hit that 72% target, the Rays would need to average 1.8 million attendees per season, which is much more attainable.


Except Tropicana has 42,000 seats if they don't tarp them.
 
2017-06-16 04:49:15 PM  
Better stadium, a better product on the field (even slightly) and better marketing and advertising.  so pretty much everything.

And I live 5 minutes from Tropicana Field (If I hit all the lights).
 
2017-06-16 04:53:35 PM  
FriarReb98 I always see this, and I feel like it's Bergman Syndrome. Just because a market is big doesn't mean it's interested in Major League baseball. Of the 37 metropolitan areas in the US and Canada over 2 million people, only 25 have teams with one of the have-nots being Montreal. There are actually areas bigger than Charlotte that don't have a team, even. All of them, save Montreal, have at least minor league baseball, and only half of them are AAA level teams.

Here's a breakdown of the have-nots, in order of size:
Montreal - nothing
Portland - Short-season A (in the suburbs)
Orlando - only the GCL Braves are left
Charlotte - AAA
Sacramento - AAA
Vancouver - SSA
Salt Lake - AAA
Columbus - AAA
Indy - AAA
San Antonio - AA
Raleigh Durham - A-Advanced and AAA
Las Vegas - AAA


Interesting list.  I suppose Columbus would be out since Ohio already has two teams.  I could imagine Indianapolis having a team.  I'd go with Portland though.  They only have one major sports franchise although I'm not sure how many fans the MLS team has.

Anyway, the Rays just seem to be going nowhere in that town.  Evan Longoria might actually have a shot at 500 HRs and no one will see it.
 
2017-06-16 05:30:34 PM  
$9 beers.  That's why I can take a Lyft there for $8 and I still barely go.  I'm also a functional alcoholic baseball fan so I'm biased.
 
2017-06-16 05:39:07 PM  
You think that is a bad baseball stadium? I saw a college football game there. *shudder*
 
2017-06-16 05:47:41 PM  

Resin33: You think that is a bad baseball stadium? I saw a college football game there. *shudder*


I can't imagine what hockey must've been like.
 
2017-06-16 05:48:24 PM  

Resin33: You think that is a bad baseball stadium? I saw a college football game there. *shudder*


The Magic Jack Bowl or the BitCoin Bowl or whatever the fark they call it now?  They also host the Shriners East-West high school game there.
 
2017-06-16 06:03:48 PM  

Cubs300: I'd say get rid of the dome and build a nice open-air stadium...but that isn't working for Atlanta.


But...but...they built it closer to the fans because they were to lazy/scared to drive all the way to downtown Atlanta for a game.
 
2017-06-16 06:04:11 PM  

dywed88: Ethertap: Based on some quick math, the Rays max attendance in the regular season is roughly 2.5 million people (31,000 * 81), which is roughly the overall league average (eyballing the graph in TFA).  This means they would have to sell out all their games to meet that goal, which is unrealistic.

A better goal would be to meet the average % attendance of the rest of the league.  Based on some eyeballing of the graph and a wiki table, they Rays currently average around 60% attendance, while the rest of the league is around 72%. In order to hit that 72% target, the Rays would need to average 1.8 million attendees per season, which is much more attainable.

Except Tropicana has 42,000 seats if they don't tarp them.


The dangers of wikipedia I guess.  IIRC though, those are the seats behind all the scaffolding in the back and they suck pretty hard (Haven't been to a game since the early 2000's).
 
2017-06-16 06:21:47 PM  

tricycleracer: Resin33: You think that is a bad baseball stadium? I saw a college football game there. *shudder*

The Magic Jack Bowl or the BitCoin Bowl or whatever the fark they call it now?  They also host the Shriners East-West high school game there.


It was the Bitcoin Bowl. They even handed out informational brochures explaining what bitcoins are. We had shiatty seats, and it is such a steep incline I got dizzy.
 
2017-06-16 07:22:21 PM  

Ethertap: dywed88: Ethertap: Based on some quick math, the Rays max attendance in the regular season is roughly 2.5 million people (31,000 * 81), which is roughly the overall league average (eyballing the graph in TFA).  This means they would have to sell out all their games to meet that goal, which is unrealistic.

A better goal would be to meet the average % attendance of the rest of the league.  Based on some eyeballing of the graph and a wiki table, they Rays currently average around 60% attendance, while the rest of the league is around 72%. In order to hit that 72% target, the Rays would need to average 1.8 million attendees per season, which is much more attainable.

Except Tropicana has 42,000 seats if they don't tarp them.

The dangers of wikipedia I guess.  IIRC though, those are the seats behind all the scaffolding in the back and they suck pretty hard (Haven't been to a game since the early 2000's).


I am pretty skeptical that a lot of them aren't viable as they have been steadily decreasing capacity since 2006. The worst seats? Sure. But if they were selling tickets most, if not all, would become available.

Percentage attendance is irrelevant in any case unless you are close to the max. Just because you sell out your tiny stadium doesn't mean you are doing good. If you have a massive place and  put more asses in seats even though you filled a lower percentage you are still doing better.
 
2017-06-16 08:36:11 PM  

foo monkey: I'd say move out of Tampa Bay, but there's not many options. Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.


Montreal and Mexico City laugh at your strip mall world view
 
2017-06-16 09:43:13 PM  

Travis_Bickle: foo monkey: I'd say move out of Tampa Bay, but there's not many options. Next largest metro area without a team is Charlotte.

Montreal and Mexico City laugh at your strip mall world view


mexico city isn't going to happen
 
2017-06-16 10:34:08 PM  
Wait till Castro dies and US corporations take over Cuba then move to Havana.
 
2017-06-16 11:02:45 PM  

FriarReb98: I can't imagine what hockey must've been like.


Hockey was a blast. The NHL single game attendance record was set there, which I believe still stands for an indoor venue. They called the place "Thunderdome" and the outfield area was a giant fan zone with games and concessions. Yeah, the sight lines sucked but it was tons of fun to attend games there.

As far as the Rays go, they just need to move the team to Tampa and build a modern facility. It's not rocket science.
 
2017-06-16 11:10:38 PM  

flynn80: Wait till Castro dies and US corporations take over Cuba then move to Havana.


The Havana Bananas.  Has a nice ring to it.

Of that list foo monkey put forth, most of those markets are just one ingredient shy of getting Major League Baseball:  a "major league" stadium facility.  But even with that, only Montreal and Raleigh (disclaimer:  I live  in the latter... and BTW, "Raleigh-Durham" is the airport, and the airport only) are distant enough from existing Major League clubs to be viable in their markets.

In Portland and Vancouver, you'd be bumping up against the Mariners for local television dollars.  In Sacramento you're up against the A's and Giants.  In San Antonio it's the Rangers and Astros.  And in Columbus you'd be cutting in on the Indians and/or Reds.

Meanwhile in all but one of the other cities, MLB would be competing with other, already established sports ventures for disposable income:  Orlando's basically just "Tampa east," Charlotte has NBA and NFL, Indianapolis has the Pacers and Colts, and Las Vegas has the NFL and NHL on the way.  Salt Lake City would be interesting, but it's probably pretty hard to land certain key corporate sponsors (e.g., beer) in the middle of Mormon country.

If the civic leaders in Montreal or Raleigh were to step up and put forth attractive financial incentives, Tampa wouldn't have baseball.  In fact, I often wonder why the A's aren't exploring relocation given their woeful history of landing a new stadium in Oakland.
 
2017-06-17 12:18:55 AM  
AL team in Downtown Atlanta. Book it.

/sarcasm
//MiLB would do great though, somewhere on the East Side
///East Atlanta Santas or something
 
2017-06-17 06:53:01 AM  

shroom: wxboy: They should market themselves as a visitor's team.  Try to draw fans of the opposing teams, both from the elderly Florida transplants and ads in other cities for vacation packages.  Partner with Disney or Universal.  Build a stadium closer to Orlando

I'd go, but the Cubs are in the American League.


So, life long Cubs fan since last year?
 
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