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2017-06-16 08:48:46 AM  
Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

So all you need is close to a winning record to make it to a bowl?  I thought you had to at least have a winning record.  I was aware that 7-6 teams and the like make it, which I also think is stupid.  But still, at least you need to have a winning record, no?
 
2017-06-16 08:55:23 AM  
And 670 of them were robots.
 
2017-06-16 09:06:24 AM  
Good.
It's stupid that teams with a .500, and especially sub .500 record are getting bowl bids.
That said, last year I made the argument that if you're going to continue with theses consolation bowls, then you need to make them interesting to the fans and alumni. If IU had played Kentucky (an old rival), in say, Nashville, that game would have sold.
But if IU expects alumni are going to fly out to California to watch them play Utah, well, then, this is what you get.
 
2017-06-16 09:25:38 AM  
downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.
 
2017-06-16 09:28:46 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.


When there are no bowl-eligible teams available, they use academic ranking to fill slots.  The bowl system has become a bloated mess.
 
2017-06-16 09:56:01 AM  
Brad won't be going no matter what bowl game Indiana plays in next season, because on his birthday, #Bradswife was fired from her job at Cracker Barrel.
 
2017-06-16 09:58:26 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.


They could, but they would lose a pile of money.

There is a reason the conference paid the team hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover their loss.
 
2017-06-16 10:17:09 AM  
IU fans barely go to the their home games, why would anything one think they would travel to watch their football team?
 
2017-06-16 10:35:05 AM  
Indiana is one of the worst 'historically bad' college football programs in history.  That they even let us go to a bowl is ridiculous.  That our school hasn't just killed the football team and given the money to the basketball team is also insane.  kids that do go to the games just do it for the social aspect it seems.
 
2017-06-16 10:37:55 AM  
The opening paragraph of the article really is a treat. It gave me my first good chuckle of the day. Kudos to the author.
 
2017-06-16 10:50:43 AM  

downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

So all you need is close to a winning record to make it to a bowl?  I thought you had to at least have a winning record.  I was aware that 7-6 teams and the like make it, which I also think is stupid.  But still, at least you need to have a winning record, no?


Yeah, the amount of bowl games they have now is absurd and they don't have enough 7-6 teams or even 6-6 teams to fill all the slots.  So now you get teams with losing records in bowl games and fans of those teams that don't give a shiat that their 6-7 team is in a toilet bowl.

"The NCAA approved a three-year moratorium that caps the number of bowl games at 41. The decision was first reported by ESPN on Monday.  The move by the NCAA Division I Council comes months after three teams with losing records appeared in bowls and a record 63% of the 128 teams in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision played in the postseason."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/04/11/ncaa-caps-bowl​-​games/82886602/

That's just stupid.
 
2017-06-16 10:58:25 AM  

AquaTatanka: Indiana is one of the worst 'historically bad' college football programs in history.  That they even let us go to a bowl is ridiculous.  That our school hasn't just killed the football team and given the money to the basketball team is also insane.  kids that do go to the games just do it for the social aspect it seems.


The football team made a net $9.5 million for the university athletic department after covering its own costs in 2015, the latest year I can find numbers for. If you killed the football team, not only would you be unable to "give them money to the basketball team" but the university would have to come up with that $9.5 million that's paying for all their other athletic programs.
 
2017-06-16 11:14:10 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.


Let winning teams (the best of the best not in the playoffs) play in two bowl games then.  I know, I know... "tradition."  And somehow an extra game is going to mame all the players.
 
2017-06-16 11:15:30 AM  

downstairs: DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.

Let winning teams (the best of the best not in the playoffs) play in two bowl games then.  I know, I know... "tradition."  And somehow an extra game is going to mame all the players.


Blah!  "Maim" not "mame."
 
2017-06-16 11:18:48 AM  

Bermuda59: IU fans barely go to the their home games, why would anything one think they would travel to watch their football team?


Well there is the big 10 conference tie in, and I think Ohio State got an invite to a slightly higher profile bowl game. Although they may have been better off in this game.
 
2017-06-16 11:20:53 AM  
HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.
 
2017-06-16 11:20:57 AM  
ESPN owns all of the bowls nobody gives a crap about, and the bloating started in the early 2000's, so they're to blame, really.  What they should do is, with a 12-game schedule, a team needs a 9-3 record or better, and cap it at no more than 4 teams per conference.  That'll see the number of bowls drop.
 
2017-06-16 11:27:09 AM  

downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

So all you need is close to a winning record to make it to a bowl?  I thought you had to at least have a winning record.  I was aware that 7-6 teams and the like make it, which I also think is stupid.  But still, at least you need to have a winning record, no?


They were 6-6. The 7th loss was the bowl game. The regular season for college football is 12 games. The only way a team would play a 13th before bowl season is if they were a conference championship participant.
 
2017-06-16 11:29:31 AM  

Sirsky: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

So all you need is close to a winning record to make it to a bowl?  I thought you had to at least have a winning record.  I was aware that 7-6 teams and the like make it, which I also think is stupid.  But still, at least you need to have a winning record, no?

They were 6-6. The 7th loss was the bowl game. The regular season for college football is 12 games. The only way a team would play a 13th before bowl season is if they were a conference championship participant.


But there were a couple of teams that finished the regular season at 5-7 that went into bowls:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-2016-​b​owl-eligibility-75-teams-qualify-leaving-five-open-spots/
 
2017-06-16 11:35:56 AM  

jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.


Part of the agreement when a school accepts a bowl invite is that the school is responsible for selling X number of tickets at face value, and if they don't sell them, the school has to buy them.

The bowl game has tickets sold through the ticket window, the allotment each school has to sell, and then all of the ones distributed to the corporate partners (which are often better seats than the school allotments).What typically happens, especially in lower tier games,  is that no one who gets these corporate partner tickets actually wants to see the game, so they sell them on StubHub well below face, because they'll be satisfied with getting a little for tickets they got for free.

So fans of the school who actually do want to go to the game are faced with the choice of buying bad seats at full price from the school, or good seats at cheap prices on the aftermarket. And most make the obvious choice.

So in addition to travel expenses  (chartered flight, shipping equipment by truck, hotels, food, per diem, coach bonuses, etc etc) the school has to buy a bunch of empty seats.  Hence the 2.5 million.
 
2017-06-16 11:45:33 AM  

jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.


This doesn't answer your question, but the travelling party is a lot more than 50. Team, coaches, medical staff, band, cheerleaders, other staff...
 
2017-06-16 11:49:03 AM  

JerseyTim: jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.

This doesn't answer your question, but the travelling party is a lot more than 50. Team, coaches, medical staff, band, cheerleaders, other staff...


Ok, let's say it was 500 people. Does 5K per person sound right to you still?

Your cost was 2.5 million and you made 2.175 million. That is astronomically astounding to me that someone running that program is that god damn stupid.
 
2017-06-16 11:51:47 AM  

downstairs: DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.

Let winning teams (the best of the best not in the playoffs) play in two bowl games then.  I know, I know... "tradition."  And somehow an extra game is going to mame all the players.


It's not the extra game, it's the extra practices the team gets if they get a bowl bid. That's why coaches are still up for it. Next year's guys get a ton of practice reps.
 
2017-06-16 11:55:41 AM  

jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.


At least two chartered aircraft and a couple of semis for the team and their gear, the whole marching band and cheer squad, all the coaches, athletic trainers, equipment managers, etc. All of them have to eat and sleep somewhere for anywhere from a couple days to a week. It adds up fast.
 
2017-06-16 12:32:09 PM  
If only there were a system where all the teams that won would advance and get them further is some type of post-season play.
 
2017-06-16 12:34:00 PM  

dywed88: DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?
Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.
They could, but they would lose a pile of money.
There is a reason the conference paid the team hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover their loss.


Who is making money on 6-6 and 5-7 teams having "bowl games"?  Is there really that much of a demand to stuff one more bowl game on the Ocho?
 
2017-06-16 12:35:09 PM  
Most of these minor bowl games have become nothing more than a marketing tool for ESPN.  They help arrange and sponsor the bowl so they have some live football to air.  The paltry ratings the game may get still exceed the even lower ratings other ESPN programming would get so ESPN sees it as a winning deal and teams don't want to refuse to go.
 
2017-06-16 12:40:10 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: dywed88: DrewCurtisJr: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?
Because there weren't enough 7-6 teams available to fill the slot. It's not like the can just call the game off, they should, but they can't.
They could, but they would lose a pile of money.
There is a reason the conference paid the team hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover their loss.

Who is making money on 6-6 and 5-7 teams having "bowl games"?  Is there really that much of a demand to stuff one more bowl game on the Ocho?


The NCAA. The would have gotten plenty selling the sponsorship and broadcast rights. Plus money on the tickets sold. They made money on it before the game was played, if it wasn't played they would have had to return that money.

Whether people will want to pay the NCAA for it in future years is another matter.
 
2017-06-16 01:01:20 PM  

jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.


107 players on the team. 17 coaches. 100 members of the band with 6 instructors / directors. Medical and training staff of 10 or so. Support staff is probably another 25. So you're talking at least 250 people, maybe more.

So, yeah, a couple thousand a head for food, hotel, and airplanes gets you to half a million dollars. You still need to rent a practice facility for a week, ship all your equipment out, go on some fun excursions, and compensate the players (NCAA allows up to $550 a piece in "gifts").
 
2017-06-16 01:27:47 PM  

AquaTatanka: Indiana is one of the worst 'historically bad' college football programs in history.  That they even let us go to a bowl is ridiculous.  That our school hasn't just killed the football team and given the money to the basketball team is also insane.  kids that do go to the games just do it for the social aspect it seems.


Your question's largely been answered already, but there's another reason;  Football programs put asses behind desks.  Kids (and a lot of parents) expect the "full college experience", which includes having a football team, doing football things on Saturdays in the fall, etc.  Eliminating that, the financial implications notwithstanding, can be just as much of a black eye to IU's social and cultural perception among prospective students.
 
2017-06-16 02:26:50 PM  

runwiz: Most of these minor bowl games have become nothing more than a marketing tool for ESPN.  They help arrange and sponsor the bowl so they have some live football to air.  The paltry ratings the game may get still exceed the even lower ratings other ESPN programming would get so ESPN sees it as a winning deal and teams don't want to refuse to go.


Don't forget the people who bet on sports.
They don't care about the teams, don't care about the records of the teams, don't care if anyone even bothered to show up for the game, only care that there's something to bet on.
 
2017-06-16 02:39:22 PM  

meanmutton: jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.

107 players on the team. 17 coaches. 100 members of the band with 6 instructors / directors. Medical and training staff of 10 or so. Support staff is probably another 25. So you're talking at least 250 people, maybe more.

So, yeah, a couple thousand a head for food, hotel, and airplanes gets you to half a million dollars. You still need to rent a practice facility for a week, ship all your equipment out, go on some fun excursions, and compensate the players (NCAA allows up to $550 a piece in "gifts").


We're talking 2.5 million, not .5 million.
 
2017-06-16 02:52:20 PM  
I used to go to Vegas for Christmas every year (it's awesome).  I know some people have a problem and have to bet on anything.....but most nights the Capcom Auto-tune Bowl is the only game on, and the Sportsbooks look rather dead.

Also, VictoryCabal  gave the best answer to jayphat 's question about why the cost is ludicrously high.  These stories hit every year about how plenty of schools are caught holding the bag with tons of unwanted tickets.
 
2017-06-16 02:59:01 PM  
People will only pay to see one of the real Bowls, the ones that were traditionally on New Years Day. No one cares about the American Standard Toilet Bowl games. Bowls like that are a participation trophy.
 
2017-06-16 03:42:08 PM  

meanmutton: AquaTatanka: Indiana is one of the worst 'historically bad' college football programs in history.  That they even let us go to a bowl is ridiculous.  That our school hasn't just killed the football team and given the money to the basketball team is also insane.  kids that do go to the games just do it for the social aspect it seems.

The football team made a net $9.5 million for the university athletic department after covering its own costs in 2015, the latest year I can find numbers for. If you killed the football team, not only would you be unable to "give them money to the basketball team" but the university would have to come up with that $9.5 million that's paying for all their other athletic programs.


Don't ruin my fantasy where we can tear down this ugly-ass Stadium on campus and build something nicer.
 
2017-06-16 03:55:42 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: ESPN owns all of the bowls nobody gives a crap about, and the bloating started in the early 2000's, so they're to blame, really.  What they should do is, with a 12-game schedule, a team needs a 9-3 record or better, and cap it at no more than 4 teams per conference.  That'll see the number of bowls drop.


Why do you think they want the number of bowls to drop? That would be farking dumb on their part since someone pays them to advertise while they're airing those shiatty bowls. You're offering solutions for a problem that doesn't exist, they don't want less bowls. Maybe you do, but who the fark are you? Don't watch if you don't like it.

ESPN doesn't care if less than 700 IU fans bought tickets. They don't care if Fark doesn't understand the bowl system and thinks it's some sort of meritocracy where only 'deserving' teams get to play. They only care that some company somewhere is willing to pay to advertise while they're airing the Poulan Toilet Scrubber Bowl Sponsored by Papa John's.
 
2017-06-16 06:31:55 PM  

Bermuda59: IU fans barely go to the their home games, why would anything one think they would travel to watch their football team?


People don't always have to travel to see their alma mater play in a bowl game. People do ogten move after they graduate.
 
2017-06-16 07:09:19 PM  

jayphat: HOW does it cost Indiana 2.5 million to play in that game? I'm farking all ears to see that explained, in detail, how the university came up with that number. With, say, 50 players attending, you're telling me that costs figure out to 50K per person(not including coaching staff)? There's no farking way.


It's good to see a comment about college football from someone who has no idea even how many people are on a team.
 
2017-06-16 07:12:44 PM  

js34603: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: ESPN owns all of the bowls nobody gives a crap about, and the bloating started in the early 2000's, so they're to blame, really.  What they should do is, with a 12-game schedule, a team needs a 9-3 record or better, and cap it at no more than 4 teams per conference.  That'll see the number of bowls drop.

Why do you think they want the number of bowls to drop? That would be farking dumb on their part since someone pays them to advertise while they're airing those shiatty bowls. You're offering solutions for a problem that doesn't exist, they don't want less bowls. Maybe you do, but who the fark are you? Don't watch if you don't like it.

ESPN doesn't care if less than 700 IU fans bought tickets. They don't care if Fark doesn't understand the bowl system and thinks it's some sort of meritocracy where only 'deserving' teams get to play. They only care that some company somewhere is willing to pay to advertise while they're airing the Poulan Toilet Scrubber Bowl Sponsored by Papa John's.


The Poulan Weed Eater Independence Bowl is still best Bowl ever.
 
2017-06-16 07:47:18 PM  

js34603: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: ESPN owns all of the bowls nobody gives a crap about, and the bloating started in the early 2000's, so they're to blame, really.  What they should do is, with a 12-game schedule, a team needs a 9-3 record or better, and cap it at no more than 4 teams per conference.  That'll see the number of bowls drop.

Why do you think they want the number of bowls to drop? That would be farking dumb on their part since someone pays them to advertise while they're airing those shiatty bowls. You're offering solutions for a problem that doesn't exist, they don't want less bowls. Maybe you do, but who the fark are you? Don't watch if you don't like it.

ESPN doesn't care if less than 700 IU fans bought tickets. They don't care if Fark doesn't understand the bowl system and thinks it's some sort of meritocracy where only 'deserving' teams get to play. They only care that some company somewhere is willing to pay to advertise while they're airing the Poulan Toilet Scrubber Bowl Sponsored by Papa John's.


Finally, someone who understands.

PS I love the extra bowls 'cause there are a bunch of 'em in the DFW area and they all give tickets away. Sure, I'll go catch a game for free.
 
2017-06-16 08:30:51 PM  
Bowl games are stupid, anyway. If it ain't the playoffs to determine the #1 team, or the game to determine the #1 team, who gives a fark? It'd be like two 9-7 NFL teams just playing a game after the season for some reason
 
2017-06-16 09:46:39 PM  
That was only 672 fans that bought tickets from the University.  Usually the bowl game gives the school bad seats to sell.  So fans will buy directly from the bowl game or on the secondary market from people who were gifted corporate seats.  Its a bad system for school in the lesser tier games.  Many would prefer not to play, but the team is granted valuable extra practice time if they go

As far as the 2million + price tag. . . The travel party exceeds 500, They stay in nice hotels, eat in nice restaurants, and fly in private jets.  That gets expensive
 
2017-06-16 09:48:22 PM  

machoprogrammer: Bowl games are stupid, anyway. If it ain't the playoffs to determine the #1 team, or the game to determine the #1 team, who gives a fark? It'd be like two 9-7 NFL teams just playing a game after the season for some reason


A large number of these bowls could be repurposed into a very large playoff field.  The only problem with that would be the increased injuries you'd see for the teams that had to play 4 extra games.

If I had a magic wand, I'd reduce the "regular" season to 8 or 9 games, and make them all actual conference games---no more cupcakes.  Then everyone with a winning record (let's say we went with 9 games, no conference championship games) gets seeded into the playoff.  The current shiat-tier bowls are your first-round games, then winning teams would advance.  Each round of games would be feature more "respectable" bowls, so the Orange Bowl or Rose Bowl would be your Final 4/National Championship round games.
 
2017-06-16 09:56:05 PM  

tennesseemike: That was only 672 fans that bought tickets from the University.  Usually the bowl game gives the school bad seats to sell.  So fans will buy directly from the bowl game or on the secondary market from people who were gifted corporate seats.  Its a bad system for school in the lesser tier games.  Many would prefer not to play, but the team is granted valuable extra practice time if they go


The other problem was that the matchup was terrible.  Utah was legitimately threatening to win their division pretty late in the season, while IU was just lucky to get to 6 wins at all.  Granted, IU actually kept it close (which amazed me at the time), but fans wouldn't have had any reason to expect that at all.  I wouldn't want to travel to see a game where my team was badly overmatched (on paper) either, though maybe with the benefit of hindsight more fans would have gone if they knew it would be close.
 
2017-06-16 09:58:52 PM  

machoprogrammer: Bowl games are stupid, anyway. If it ain't the playoffs to determine the #1 team, or the game to determine the #1 team, who gives a fark? It'd be like two 9-7 NFL teams just playing a game after the season for some reason


An excuse for a holiday vacation.
 
2017-06-16 10:42:08 PM  
Look you lose money on tickets, everyone knows that except apparently the non-power conference suckers schools.  The thing is the schools in the power-5 get to share all that sweet, sweet TV payout at least until ESPN and the rest of cable sports implodes.  There is $$$ in sports, just not has been paid out recently.

We will have a collapse "soon" somewhere, I hope it just is in coaches making 10X plus times anyone in academics getting let go; what worries me is that the athletics will become even more of a money sink from academics and not less when the rug is pulled out.

The $$$ raised from alumni diverted from Universities actual mission, you know teaching students, into building yet another whatever is horrific.  Yes I know many people would not donate for current students but will for athletics.  The problem is that the athletic fundraising takes the top spot and no one is given a choice because the athletic fundraisers go first and so someone says "well I would love to donate $1000 to your scholarship fund for poor gifted students who can not otherwise attend college, but I just gave $10,000 to the booster club for new alternate uniforms for the team".

<CSB>
I have a friend who is a professor at a big time (insert # here) University, he was at a event where people from the University met with alumni, after talking to someone they asked "what would you do in your department with $5-10 million?" and before he could answer suddenly in swooped "well, while the XXX department could do something nice, the University could better use the money" and insert BS athletics pitch for their latest goal to have a new practice field.  The donor declined and walked away.  Seriously the University gave away millions for an academic program because they wanted to raise money for a %#$$%%$@$# practice field.
</CSB>

I have more CSB's except none of them are...
 
2017-06-16 11:21:29 PM  

interstellar_tedium: We will have a collapse "soon" somewhere, I hope it just is in coaches making 10X plus times anyone in academics getting let go; what worries me is that the athletics will become even more of a money sink from academics and not less when the rug is pulled out.


If it collapses to the point college can't develop talent, the pro leagues will have to create much beefier minor league or relegation systems.  And for your worry and csb, I think are more csb's of rich people only funding academics because of all the athletics perks they get.
 
2017-06-16 11:57:00 PM  

12349876: interstellar_tedium: We will have a collapse "soon" somewhere, I hope it just is in coaches making 10X plus times anyone in academics getting let go; what worries me is that the athletics will become even more of a money sink from academics and not less when the rug is pulled out.

If it collapses to the point college can't develop talent, the pro leagues will have to create much beefier minor league or relegation systems.  And for your worry and csb, I think are more csb's of rich people only funding academics because of all the athletics perks they get.


The problem is that the athletics gets every chance now, lots of these people just want their name on something to show that (a) they existed and/or (b) they weren't a total greedhead, well they are but now they are a greedhead with a tax break and their name on something (see all the robber barons, etc).  Yes some may only care about the "old team" that they neither played on or bothered to watch when they were in school, but many don't.

Fine you don't like my CSB.  Guess what the academics didn't get a chance because the damn school wanted athletics first and would rather not have millions for academics because they wanted a stupid practice field first.  Either way academics loses, get the point?  Hey how about we get rid of that money sucking toilet that is athletics (and don't believe your school isn't losing money there) and make the pro-leagues pay for their player development and actually have Universities you know teach?
 
2017-06-17 06:16:30 AM  

runwiz: Most of these minor bowl games have become nothing more than a marketing tool for ESPN.  They help arrange and sponsor the bowl so they have some live football to air.  The paltry ratings the game may get still exceed the even lower ratings other ESPN programming would get so ESPN sees it as a winning deal and teams don't want to refuse to go.


It's a house of cards and it's going to fall apart soon.  ESPN's business model has been to extort cable suppliers for subscription fees, and that won't be sustainable with all the cord-cutting.  And when the ESPN money goes away, so will all the lower-tier bowls.

Interestingly, all those mega-conferences that formed this century are likely to suddenly backfire.  The conferences promised steady high paychecks to their members, and they sought new members to expand their footprint.  With the imminent collapse of the ESPN cartel, the economic advantages of the mega-conference but the costs (like higher travel fees) will remain.  Depending on the severity of the collapse, it wouldn't surprise me if the less powerful and traditional members of the megaconferences decided to call it quits, and a kind of inverse realignment happens.
 
2017-06-17 08:18:09 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: downstairs: Why is a 6-7 team in bowl to begin with?

So all you need is close to a winning record to make it to a bowl?  I thought you had to at least have a winning record.  I was aware that 7-6 teams and the like make it, which I also think is stupid.  But still, at least you need to have a winning record, no?

Yeah, the amount of bowl games they have now is absurd and they don't have enough 7-6 teams or even 6-6 teams to fill all the slots.  So now you get teams with losing records in bowl games and fans of those teams that don't give a shiat that their 6-7 team is in a toilet bowl.

"The NCAA approved a three-year moratorium that caps the number of bowl games at 41. The decision was first reported by ESPN on Monday.  The move by the NCAA Division I Council comes months after three teams with losing records appeared in bowls and a record 63% of the 128 teams in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision played in the postseason."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/04/11/ncaa-caps-bowl-​games/82886602/

That's just stupid.


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Yeah.  The idea behind most of these bowl games is to squeeze some extra money out of people going to see them.

If you have so many that almost everyone, good and bad, is going to them... why the hell don't we just extend the season by a game and then kill off 90% of these things?
 
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