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(KSTU FOX 13)   After 7 years, Utah's liquor store drought is over   ( fox13now.com) divider line
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2017-06-14 11:03:15 AM  
Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.
 
2017-06-14 01:23:04 PM  

DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.


You just walk in, pick out whatever you want, proceed to the register, pay the ridiculous Utah Mormon Church tax and then walk out with your purchase.
 
2017-06-14 01:28:22 PM  
Liquor Store Drought is the name of my Arlo Guthrie cover band.
 
2017-06-14 03:14:21 PM  
Utah didn't serve liquor?
 
2017-06-14 04:49:37 PM  
Just don't even smell it with their new dui laws.
 
2017-06-14 04:50:01 PM  

Mugato: Utah didn't serve liquor?

Liquor, I hardly *knew* her.


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2017-06-14 04:51:28 PM  
FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.
 
2017-06-14 04:55:26 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.


You lost me at tax the hell out of it. One thing that California does correctly is allow sales of adult beverages at reasonable prices.
 
2017-06-14 04:55:49 PM  
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2017-06-14 04:56:51 PM  

DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.


No, and you never did.

And if you'd stayed in a decent motel, they would have had you covered as a "guest". But they got rid of that bullshiat 7 years or so ago.
 
2017-06-14 04:57:36 PM  

lenfromak: gingerjet: FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.

You lost me at tax the hell out of it. One thing that California does correctly is allow sales of adult beverages at reasonable prices.


You lost me at reasonable prices.  I moved to San Diego from Minnesota and liquor prices here are not reasonable.
 
2017-06-14 05:04:05 PM  
"We have one for every 48,000 citizens of Utah," said Meier. "Yes, we are behind in that graph. But our stores can flex as demand increases. We're seeing our bottle counts go up."

Fark that. Stores can't "flex", as liquor distribution is not allowed in Utah, and restaurants and bars have to pick their own shiat up. So if there aren't enough stores, or the ones there haven't "flexed" enough, a bar owner is SOL.

As for TFA:
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Nice to see that strong representation of Utah, Fox 13, love it! Almost everything in that picture is a Utah brand, and it may just be everything, as I'm having trouble keeping up with all of the new distilleries and breweries here...
 
2017-06-14 05:04:53 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it just like any other beverage, including water.


FTFY.

/sin taxes are stupid.
 
2017-06-14 05:04:57 PM  
gingerjet

FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores. Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.


Sounds like they already tax the hell out of it but I think it is beneficial for city or state revenue to put profits back into the community.

A town a few miles over has one liquor store and it is city owned, less than 6000 residents and they have a well funded school, a nice aquatic center and a hell of a lot of programs for kids and teens to take advantage because of the LQ's profits. The down side is when someone gets stupid and they provided the alcohol and lawyers go after them as the biggest pocketbook.
 
2017-06-14 05:06:52 PM  

Beerguy: DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.

You just walk in, pick out whatever you want, proceed to the register, pay the ridiculous Utah Mormon Church tax and then walk out with your purchase.


Username checks out, real beer(>4%) is absurdly overpriced(gotta buy it by the bottle), but the vodak isnt really marked up.
 
2017-06-14 05:08:37 PM  

Mikey1969: DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.

No, and you never did.

And if you'd stayed in a decent motel, they would have had you covered as a "guest". But they got rid of that bullshiat 7 years or so ago.


I never did? I remember having it added to my room bill. I never stayed in top-of-the line hotel, but Marriotts and the like aren't flop houses. My boss okayed the expense, too. By the way, this was true in both Salt Lake and Ogden.
 
2017-06-14 05:09:24 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: gingerjet

FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores. Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.

Sounds like they already tax the hell out of it but I think it is beneficial for city or state revenue to put profits back into the community.

A town a few miles over has one liquor store and it is city owned, less than 6000 residents and they have a well funded school, a nice aquatic center and a hell of a lot of programs for kids and teens to take advantage because of the LQ's profits. The down side is when someone gets stupid and they provided the alcohol and lawyers go after them as the biggest pocketbook.


You can do that with an excise tax levied on.....alcohol. Guess what states with private sales do.

I won't even give you a hint.
 
2017-06-14 05:09:47 PM  

lenfromak: gingerjet: FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.

You lost me at tax the hell out of it. One thing that California does correctly is allow sales of adult beverages at reasonable prices.


I think it is reasonable to have a higher tax on alcohol to compensate the damages it does to society (care for people with liver problems, drunk driving deaths).  California does have a decent balance of laws in this regard.

Utah, of course, does not, because their government is run by a religion that is anti-alcohol.
 
2017-06-14 05:11:39 PM  

Mikey1969: DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.

No, and you never did.

And if you'd stayed in a decent motel, they would have had you covered as a "guest". But they got rid of that bullshiat 7 years or so ago.


ALL of that bullshiat? No, not even close. They did get rid of the clubs but the Zion curtain only went away a few months ago, and at the expense of the 1 drink and you're done DUI limit. Add to that the BS about the state assembly setting the budget for building new stores (come on, not even the ABC board?) and they're far from done with their Sharia law BS.
 
2017-06-14 05:26:34 PM  
My favorite one:

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2017-06-14 05:27:46 PM  
Wow, I just realized how crazy those numbers are, the average for states with a quota system for liquor stores is ~1/10,000 people, for states without a quota system it's ~1/5,000 people, Utah has 1/5th as many stores per person as other control states and 1/10th as many as free market states.
 
2017-06-14 05:28:51 PM  

Mikey1969: "We have one for every 48,000 citizens of Utah," said Meier. "Yes, we are behind in that graph. But our stores can flex as demand increases. We're seeing our bottle counts go up."

Fark that. Stores can't "flex", as liquor distribution is not allowed in Utah, and restaurants and bars have to pick their own shiat up. So if there aren't enough stores, or the ones there haven't "flexed" enough, a bar owner is SOL.

As for TFA:
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Nice to see that strong representation of Utah, Fox 13, love it! Almost everything in that picture is a Utah brand, and it may just be everything, as I'm having trouble keeping up with all of the new distilleries and breweries here...


We get Uinta here in Austin, TX, it's damn good beer.
 
2017-06-14 05:30:03 PM  

robodog: Wow, I just realized how crazy those numbers are, the average for states with a quota system for liquor stores is ~1/10,000 people, for states without a quota system it's ~1/5,000 people, Utah has 1/5th as many stores per person as other control states and 1/10th as many as free market states.


You're looking at total population. Utah has lots of mormons and they would never be caught in a liquor store, wink wink.
 
2017-06-14 05:33:13 PM  
Time for me to round up my Christian Brothers and get down to business.
 
2017-06-14 05:34:11 PM  
Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.
 
2017-06-14 05:37:47 PM  

gingerjet: lenfromak: gingerjet: FTFA Right now, Utah operates 44 liquor stores.

States or cities should not be in the business of running liquor stores.  Open it to private businesses and tax the hell out of it.

You lost me at tax the hell out of it. One thing that California does correctly is allow sales of adult beverages at reasonable prices.

You lost me at reasonable prices.  I moved to San Diego from Minnesota and liquor prices here are not reasonable.


WTF are you talking about ? Do you not bother comparison shopping ? All it takes is one store to put handles on sale at 20-25 bucks and the rest follow suit. That is with the major stores, same thing works with mom and pop liquor stores. Unless you are in some part of SD that lacks markets....
 
2017-06-14 05:40:28 PM  

robodog: Mikey1969: DeaH: Do you have to have a membership to make purchases? I ask because (many years ago) I did a lot of business in Utah. Hotels did not technically have bars. They had clubs. I had to join for a nominal fee ($2 for a day, $10 for a week) to be able to buy a drink. A bartender told me this was because of the anti-liquor laws in the state.

No, and you never did.

And if you'd stayed in a decent motel, they would have had you covered as a "guest". But they got rid of that bullshiat 7 years or so ago.

ALL of that bullshiat? No, not even close. They did get rid of the clubs but the Zion curtain only went away a few months ago, and at the expense of the 1 drink and you're done DUI limit. Add to that the BS about the state assembly setting the budget for building new stores (come on, not even the ABC board?) and they're far from done with their Sharia law BS.


Yeah, they got rid of the private club bullshiat years ago, which was the only thing mentioned in the post I responded to. Notice that Zion Curtain wasn't mentioned? Yeah, me too.
 
2017-06-14 05:44:13 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.


The one in Moosejaw is one of my faves:

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2017-06-14 06:03:59 PM  
I got a pretty good job offer in Utah a few years back.  Took a week in SLC to see how I liked it.  The way they treated alcohol gave me pause.  Then there are these.. interesting.. little flags people were carrying around to denote they were crossing the street.  Lots of little things like that kept getting my attention.  Ended up turning down the job and staying in the shiathole I was trying to escape for a couple more years, but at least they treated me like an adult there.
 
2017-06-14 06:12:05 PM  

Tourney3p0: I got a pretty good job offer in Utah a few years back.  Took a week in SLC to see how I liked it.  The way they treated alcohol gave me pause.  Then there are these.. interesting.. little flags people were carrying around to denote they were crossing the street.  Lots of little things like that kept getting my attention.  Ended up turning down the job and staying in the shiathole I was trying to escape for a couple more years, but at least they treated me like an adult there.


"Smart" or "funny" just don't seem to work here. Fark needs a "weird" button
 
2017-06-14 06:28:58 PM  

Salmon: ReapTheChaos: Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.

The one in Moosejaw is one of my faves:

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That building looks like it has a ton of stories ( pun intended ) to tell.
It looks like the train station. Good on them for keeping the walls bare and staying with the old school lighting.
 Thanks for the share
 
2017-06-14 06:35:45 PM  

Tourney3p0: I got a pretty good job offer in Utah a few years back.  Took a week in SLC to see how I liked it.  The way they treated alcohol gave me pause.  Then there are these.. interesting.. little flags people were carrying around to denote they were crossing the street.  Lots of little things like that kept getting my attention.  Ended up turning down the job and staying in the shiathole I was trying to escape for a couple more years, but at least they treated me like an adult there.


The orange flags thing was an experiment in downtown Salt Lake to try to keep motorists from mowing down pedestrians in the crosswalk. Pick up a flag on one side, drop it in the bucket on the other side. Their use wasn't mandatory or anything. Not sure if it prevented any accidents, but I wouldn't put it very high on the list of things to criticize SLC or UT over.

As for all of their weird alcohol laws past and present, well...Mormons gonna Morm. Once you get in the door of a state liquor store, though, they're usually well-stocked and competently run.
 
2017-06-14 06:39:05 PM  
Albert911emt:

"Smart" or "funny" just don't seem to work here. Fark needs a "weird" button

Imagine you get into town late and just want to get some food and go to bed.  On your way to a restaurant, you see adults carrying bright orange flags across the crosswalk despite people getting along fine without them in every other city in the entire world.  Once you arrive, you notice an area that quite clearly used to be a bar, but now there's no seating available there and a large curtain is up hiding what's going on back there.  You check the beer menu and find only 3.2% drafts are available, and the server disappears behind the curtain like the Wizard of Oz to go get it.  

So yeah, when most of the first day's experience is the state treating its citizen like children, you tend to be a little more perceptive to it.  Maybe it was just confirmation bias after that, but I do remember going back to the hotel and Googling to find out what other weird shiat I should be on the lookout for.
 
2017-06-14 06:42:44 PM  
Lochsteppe:

As for all of their weird alcohol laws past and present, well...Mormons gonna Morm. Once you get in the door of a state liquor store, though, they're usually well-stocked and competently run.

Yeah, we ended up skipping the restaurants and just hitting the liquor store.  Not that I'm against liquor stores or anything, just that I don't find myself there very often.  So I just found it a little funny that by trying to keep me from having a decent beer at the restaurant, I ended up going to a liquor store - which ended up probably being my only visit to a liquor store in 5 years or so.  Probably the opposite of what they were going for there, but if it works for them then more power to them.
 
2017-06-14 06:48:02 PM  

Lochsteppe: Tourney3p0: I got a pretty good job offer in Utah a few years back.  Took a week in SLC to see how I liked it.  The way they treated alcohol gave me pause.  Then there are these.. interesting.. little flags people were carrying around to denote they were crossing the street.  Lots of little things like that kept getting my attention.  Ended up turning down the job and staying in the shiathole I was trying to escape for a couple more years, but at least they treated me like an adult there.

The orange flags thing was an experiment in downtown Salt Lake to try to keep motorists from mowing down pedestrians in the crosswalk. Pick up a flag on one side, drop it in the bucket on the other side. Their use wasn't mandatory or anything. Not sure if it prevented any accidents, but I wouldn't put it very high on the list of things to criticize SLC or UT over.

As for all of their weird alcohol laws past and present, well...Mormons gonna Morm. Once you get in the door of a state liquor store, though, they're usually well-stocked and competently run.


Jackson Hole Wy had the same kind of flags at certain high traffic intersections the last time I was there and Wyoming is about as polar opposite of Utah as you can get.
 
2017-06-14 06:50:40 PM  

max_pooper: robodog: Wow, I just realized how crazy those numbers are, the average for states with a quota system for liquor stores is ~1/10,000 people, for states without a quota system it's ~1/5,000 people, Utah has 1/5th as many stores per person as other control states and 1/10th as many as free market states.

You're looking at total population. Utah has lots of mormons and they would never be caught in a liquor store, wink wink.


Yep, reminds me of an old joke.  Why should you always go fishing with two mormons?  Because if you go with just one, he'll drink all of your beer.
 
2017-06-14 07:03:47 PM  
My childhood dog had a homosexual relationship with a neighbor's dog named Utah. Utah liquor. I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2017-06-14 07:31:46 PM  

Salmon: ReapTheChaos: Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.

The one in Moosejaw is one of my faves:

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Tipsy's Liquor World

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110,000 square feet and about 2 miles from my house

/my poor wallet
//and liver
///drinkies come in threes
 
2017-06-14 07:53:45 PM  

Tourney3p0: Albert911emt:

"Smart" or "funny" just don't seem to work here. Fark needs a "weird" button

Imagine you get into town late and just want to get some food and go to bed.  On your way to a restaurant, you see adults carrying bright orange flags across the crosswalk despite people getting along fine without them in every other city in the entire world.  Once you arrive, you notice an area that quite clearly used to be a bar, but now there's no seating available there and a large curtain is up hiding what's going on back there.  You check the beer menu and find only 3.2% drafts are available, and the server disappears behind the curtain like the Wizard of Oz to go get it.  

So yeah, when most of the first day's experience is the state treating its citizen like children, you tend to be a little more perceptive to it.  Maybe it was just confirmation bias after that, but I do remember going back to the hotel and Googling to find out what other weird shiat I should be on the lookout for.


Yeah, but kissing the ass of their particular version of the deity gets 'em into heaven.

Looking at the Utah situation objectively, it is an unconstitutional theocracy.
 
2017-06-14 08:07:24 PM  

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But in this complex world of fascism that was Utah state policy... we had only one choice if we wanted real beer.

 Choice B, Wyoming.
 
2017-06-14 10:35:08 PM  
I came here to say that Utah could be worse? Spent memorial day visiting my sister out there and the heavy sigh she exuded walking into the state run store coupled with, "every weekend" told me all i needed.  I had never been to a state run so I was curious but,  alas, it was purchasing booze at the dmv. Sad sacks in line awaiting our judgement.  The clerk saw all three of our CO IDs and asked,  "What the hell are you doing here?". He knew that we come from a better place.

All in all,  it was okay.  SLC is what you make of it. Find your fun.  We got wiggity wasted at Lagoon (no booze served but bring whatever you want!), rode some roller coasters,  wife puked in the bathroom at In-n-Out, played HP Quidditch 2002 and laughed our faces off despite SLC.

Sure,  it's stupid bullshiat.  Mormons are friendly assholes.  Recognize truths and fund your fun.
 
2017-06-14 11:58:07 PM  
West Valley City, of all places? I know where I'm not going after dark...
 
2017-06-15 12:06:27 AM  

Mikey1969: "We have one for every 48,000 citizens of Utah," said Meier. "Yes, we are behind in that graph. But our stores can flex as demand increases. We're seeing our bottle counts go up."

Fark that. Stores can't "flex", as liquor distribution is not allowed in Utah, and restaurants and bars have to pick their own shiat up. So if there aren't enough stores, or the ones there haven't "flexed" enough, a bar owner is SOL.

As for TFA:
[localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Nice to see that strong representation of Utah, Fox 13, love it! Almost everything in that picture is a Utah brand, and it may just be everything, as I'm having trouble keeping up with all of the new distilleries and breweries here...


Far Left Second-from-Bottom: Underground. It's like less-sweet Jagermeister. Half Jager to half Absinthe, basically.
 
2017-06-15 12:46:20 AM  

alienated: Salmon: ReapTheChaos: Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.

The one in Moosejaw is one of my faves:

[img.fark.net image 600x450]

[img.fark.net image 850x637]
[img.fark.net image 600x450]

That building looks like it has a ton of stories ( pun intended ) to tell.
It looks like the train station. Good on them for keeping the walls bare and staying with the old school lighting.
 Thanks for the share


yep, train station.
 
2017-06-15 12:48:47 AM  

Barael's Blade: Salmon: ReapTheChaos: Damn, that's one huge liquor store. The ones around here are about the size of a 7-11. Must be nice to have that much selection.

The one in Moosejaw is one of my faves:

[img.fark.net image 600x450]

[img.fark.net image 850x637]
[img.fark.net image 600x450]

Tipsy's Liquor World

[img.fark.net image 286x176]

[img.fark.net image 259x194]

110,000 square feet and about 2 miles from my house

/my poor wallet
//and liver
///drinkies come in threes


not so far... will try to hit it.
 
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