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2017-06-12 01:45:44 PM  
That's pudding it mildly.
 
2017-06-12 02:34:39 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: That's pudding it mildly.


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2017-06-12 03:18:53 PM  
Then he began pounding the defense table, sending the thunderclap sound of his palms on the wooden surface ricocheting off the white, columned courtroom walls.

When you can't pound on the facts...
 
2017-06-12 03:25:53 PM  
Well, it might have been longer, it's kind of fuzzy, but we can only recall 6 minutes of it after taking a drink.
 
stk [TotalFark]
2017-06-12 03:30:14 PM  
I, for one, am glad he's spending his golden years getting shamed and humiliated while half-heartedly trying to defend himself and his legacy.
 
2017-06-12 03:31:46 PM  

stk: I, for one, am glad he's spending his golden years getting shamed and humiliated while half-heartedly trying to defend himself and his legacy.


and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime. why do you hate america so much?
 
2017-06-12 03:34:56 PM  
"Zibzab fizzlefrab.  I rest my case"
 
2017-06-12 03:37:12 PM  
Has anyone paid any attention to this case at all? Opinion on whether Cosby has a chance of walking away?
 
2017-06-12 03:40:51 PM  

Ball of Confusion: and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime. why do you hate america so much?


Testimony from the victim isn't "evidence"?
 
2017-06-12 03:41:17 PM  
No, WaPo, I'm not turning off my ad blocker.  Fark off.
 
2017-06-12 03:41:56 PM  

Ball of Confusion: stk: I, for one, am glad he's spending his golden years getting shamed and humiliated while half-heartedly trying to defend himself and his legacy.

and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime. why do you hate america so much?


Generally speaking, there's gotta be at least something w/r/t evidence, otherwise there wouldn't be a trial.
 
KIA
2017-06-12 03:42:59 PM  
Well, come on. How long does it take to plead "nuh-uh!"
 
2017-06-12 03:43:28 PM  

UberNeuman: "Zibzab fizzlefrab.  I rest my case"


Flim flam filth!
 
2017-06-12 03:43:41 PM  

styckx: Has anyone paid any attention to this case at all? Opinion on whether Cosby has a chance of walking away?


Well he's black and rich and the glove did not fit.

Wait wrong black guy.
 
2017-06-12 03:46:12 PM  

Ball of Confusion: and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime.


You sure about that, Sparky?
 
2017-06-12 03:48:43 PM  
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2017-06-12 03:57:21 PM  

KIA: Well, come on. How long does it take to plead "nuh-uh!"


basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago.  Regardless, he's already farked in the court of public opinion and has a ton of civil suits that are going to bleed him dry.
 
2017-06-12 04:00:34 PM  

Ball of Confusion: stk: I, for one, am glad he's spending his golden years getting shamed and humiliated while half-heartedly trying to defend himself and his legacy.

and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime. why do you hate america so much?


uhhh son? This is a criminal trial.  The prosecution just spent DAYS doing just that........oh...wait...nice...I get jokes
 
2017-06-12 04:36:31 PM  
DAD IS GREAT. . .
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. . .WITH 'LUDES, IT AIN'T RAPE . . .!
 
2017-06-12 04:38:23 PM  
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2017-06-12 04:41:09 PM  
Hey hey hey, here comes Fat Ambien!
 
2017-06-12 04:42:06 PM  
Noah.
     "WHAT???"
Get off that girl Noah
 
2017-06-12 04:43:23 PM  
This article has some great moments:

"I pray to God you'll do your job better than I did mine," Brian McMonagle thundered to the panel of seven men and five women.
"If during the course of this trial I have said or done anything that might have offended one of you, hold it against me, not him. Me - not him. I wear my emotions on my sleeve and that's not good for a lawyer."

McMonagle downplayed a prior deposition in which Cosby admitted obtaining Quaaludes decades ago to use on women he wanted to have sex with.
"He's talking about things that happened in 1976!" he bellowed. "That's what was going on back in the day."
 
2017-06-12 04:51:10 PM  
McMonagle downplayed a prior deposition in which Cosby admitted obtaining Quaaludes decades ago to use on women he wanted to have sex with.

"He's talking about things that happened in 1976!" he bellowed. "That's what was going on back in the day."

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2017-06-12 05:06:16 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..


I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.
 
2017-06-12 05:09:28 PM  
"Your honor and ladies and gentleman of the jury. My client says he didn't do it. The defense rests."

Was it something like that?
 
2017-06-12 05:09:41 PM  
Thing is, when all this shiat hit the fan every major comedian I can think of was talking on their podcasts and interviews about how the comedy community knew he was up to this shiat for decades. Which begs the question of why nobody said anything until now, and why famous comedians aren't lining up at the courthouse doors with their own testimonies.

This is a rhetorical question, by the way. I know the reason why not. It's just not a good reason.
 
2017-06-12 05:27:45 PM  

Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.


Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges
 
2017-06-12 05:30:01 PM  
I saw footage of him going into the building the other day, and I swear one of the uniformed officers waved at him without speaking and Cosby waved back at him
 
2017-06-12 05:38:47 PM  

StopDaddy: "Your honor and ladies and gentleman of the jury. My client says he didn't do it. The defense rests."

Was it something like that?


Might go with the "everyone was stoned in the 60's 70's, even me, so really, since I was hopped up on disco biscuts too, neither of us were capable of consent, so I can't be guilty."
 
2017-06-12 05:47:18 PM  

Slypork: This article has some great moments:

"I pray to God you'll do your job better than I did mine," Brian McMonagle thundered to the panel of seven men and five women.
"If during the course of this trial I have said or done anything that might have offended one of you, hold it against me, not him. Me - not him. I wear my emotions on my sleeve and that's not good for a lawyer."

McMonagle downplayed a prior deposition in which Cosby admitted obtaining Quaaludes decades ago to use on women he wanted to have sex with.
"He's talking about things that happened in 1976!" he bellowed. "That's what was going on back in the day."


Maybe they are going for an incompetent lawyer appeal.
 
2017-06-12 05:49:05 PM  

Esroc: Thing is, when all this shiat hit the fan every major comedian I can think of was talking on their podcasts and interviews about how the comedy community knew he was up to this shiat for decades. Which begs the question of why nobody said anything until now, and why famous comedians aren't lining up at the courthouse doors with their own testimonies.

This is a rhetorical question, by the way. I know the reason why not. It's just not a good reason.


Because a lot of major comedians do it, and don't want to open themselves up to scrutiny, or sabotage their careers by being a rat.
 
2017-06-12 05:50:35 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges


Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"
 
2017-06-12 05:57:17 PM  

styckx: Has anyone paid any attention to this case at all? Opinion on whether Cosby has a chance of walking away?


I think he'll get probation, maybe with a suspended sentence because of his age, health, and time since the crimes.
Don't forget though, Gloria Allred will be representing even more victims, so it's not over.
 
2017-06-12 05:59:09 PM  

LoneWolf343: Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges

Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"


Not necessarily but Is it realistic to expect every encounter to have verbal consent given?
 
2017-06-12 06:00:57 PM  

A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes: DAD IS GREAT. . .
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. . .WITH 'LUDES, IT AIN'T RAPE . . .!


Now I hear the bit in my head
 
2017-06-12 06:02:57 PM  

Uzzah: Ball of Confusion: and yet nobody has produced any evidence of a crime. why do you hate america so much?

Testimony from the victim isn't "evidence"?


Not from a woman, duh.
 
2017-06-12 06:03:08 PM  

Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.


"Between Permission and Rejection, there is -- Cosby"
 
2017-06-12 06:09:29 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: LoneWolf343: Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges

Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"

Not necessarily but Is it realistic to expect every encounter to have verbal consent given?


Uh, yes?

If not, you might be a rapist too.
 
2017-06-12 06:19:08 PM  

speciaal: Cthulhu Theory: LoneWolf343: Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges

Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"

Not necessarily but Is it realistic to expect every encounter to have verbal consent given?

Uh, yes?

If not, you might be a rapist too.


Well I'm pretty sure everyone having sex is guilty of rape at least once in their life then or at some point will be. Including yourself. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go report my wife because last time we got dirty she didn't ask my permission verbally before having her way with me.
 
2017-06-12 06:22:57 PM  

styckx: Has anyone paid any attention to this case at all? Opinion on whether Cosby has a chance of walking away?


At best it will be one of those slow, awkward, shuffle dances.
 
2017-06-12 06:28:58 PM  

Needless2say: styckx: Has anyone paid any attention to this case at all? Opinion on whether Cosby has a chance of walking away?

At best it will be one of those slow, awkward, shuffle dances.


* 'At best' being used as a set up, not a description of actual desired outcome
 
2017-06-12 06:31:50 PM  

Slypork: This article has some great moments:

"I pray to God you'll do your job better than I did mine," Brian McMonagle thundered to the panel of seven men and five women.
"If during the course of this trial I have said or done anything that might have offended one of you, hold it against me, not him. Me - not him. I wear my emotions on my sleeve and that's not good for a lawyer."

McMonagle downplayed a prior deposition in which Cosby admitted obtaining Quaaludes decades ago to use on women he wanted to have sex with.
"He's talking about things that happened in 1976!" he bellowed. "That's what was going on back in the day."


It's true. Rape was going on back in the day.
 
2017-06-12 06:34:34 PM  

LoneWolf343: Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges

Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"


Mr. Cosby responded that in his experience, that question always proved to be "a real mood killer"
 
2017-06-12 06:35:34 PM  
I imagine he just belted out an altered version of It Wasn't Me.
 
2017-06-12 06:51:28 PM  

Needless2say: LoneWolf343: Cthulhu Theory: Uzzah: Plant Rights Activist: basically.  kind of hard to convict someone as guilty beyond a doubt when all you have is testimony from someone claiming something happened 30 years ago..

I had no idea that it was 2034 already. My how time flies!

And also, it is much easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sedated a women and then had non-consensual sex with her when you have deposition testimony from the Defendant himself essentially admitting that he secretly gives sedatives to women that he wants to have sex with:

Re: this victim:

A: I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission before you then had sex?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Part of the fun of this case is looking at things that were rather common through our modern lens and realizing how screwed up things used to be. Even still, I'm not positive that most people get out loud and verbal consent before getting frisky today and that might prove a troubling counter to the case depending on how the jury looks at it. "Well she took the stuff of her own accord and didn't say no, so..." is a potential way to look at it, for example.

/Not super convinced he'll be found guilty
//money has its privileges

Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"

Mr. Cosby responded that in his experience, that question always proved to be "a real mood killer"


Yeah, that mood killer should be a staple for initial hookups so you don't end up being charged with rape....
 
2017-06-12 07:50:27 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Yeah, that mood killer should be a staple for initial hookups so you don't end up being charged with rape....


How many times have you been accused?
 
2017-06-12 07:51:41 PM  
According to my coworker, Cosby is being framed.
 
2017-06-12 07:55:12 PM  

LoneWolf343: Is it really so hard to ask "Do you want to have sex?"


This. "Do you want to?" and "Do you have a condom?" takes about five seconds total to ask.

Also, if the woman is so hammered, you can't understand her response, or she looks or acts like she's about to pass out, DON'T.

These are not difficult concepts, despite what Trilby Troop likes to say.
 
2017-06-12 08:11:40 PM  

stoli n coke: Cthulhu Theory: Yeah, that mood killer should be a staple for initial hookups so you don't end up being charged with rape....

How many times have you been accused?


Less than or equal to the number of times you've been accused.
 
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