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2017-06-11 08:48:59 PM  
Do you want Intel community leaks?  Because this is how you get Intel community leaks.
 
2017-06-11 08:58:21 PM  
Because, Dear Dick, you were never a total dick.
 
2017-06-11 09:04:21 PM  
If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.
 
2017-06-11 09:29:13 PM  
Pipedreams...
 
2017-06-11 09:43:09 PM  
Is subby not aware of the events of October 20, 1973?
 
2017-06-11 10:06:56 PM  

Praise Cheesus: Is subby not aware of the events of October 20, 1973?


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/at least I hope
 
2017-06-12 12:05:05 AM  
So they're not even going to let themselves get a polling bounce from the whole ISIS thing? Good luck with that.
 
2017-06-12 12:16:09 AM  

Praise Cheesus: Is subby not aware of the events of October 20, 1973?


Paul Ryan heard singing to himself:

"Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
Cause Saturday night's the night I like
Saturday night's alright alright alright"
 
2017-06-12 12:28:16 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.


I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.
 
2017-06-12 12:31:52 AM  

Praise Cheesus: Is subby not aware of the events of October 20, 1973?


Fairly certain subby was being sarcastic.

If not: subby has added one more bit of confirmation that Trumpsters don't know much about history. Don't know much biology. Don't know much about a science book, Don't know much about the french, the putz. But I do if they tried this plan, And I know history will repeat again, What a wonderful impeachment this be.
 
2017-06-12 12:33:37 AM  
J Noble Daggett:  I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it. It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

The GOP Congress that's crotch-deep in Russian hookers and blow?
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2017-06-12 12:34:49 AM  
He should just fire everybody and start over. Including himself.
 
2017-06-12 12:37:37 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.


Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.
 
2017-06-12 12:38:38 AM  
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better think twice about it, junior.
 
2017-06-12 01:49:59 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Praise Cheesus: Is subby not aware of the events of October 20, 1973?

Fairly certain subby was being sarcastic.

If not: subby has added one more bit of confirmation that Trumpsters don't know much about history. Don't know much biology. Don't know much about a science book, Don't know much about the french, the putz. But I do if they tried this plan, And I know history will repeat again, What a wonderful impeachment this be.


Do you recall the thread where one poster that swore up and down that there had never been a US President to resign the office?  There was a time when I could have been absolutely certain that the submitter was being sarcastic.  These days, not so much.
 
2017-06-12 03:41:51 AM  

TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will be 83 before he has a clean chance to run for president.
Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn will be 73.
Senate Policy Committee Chair John Barrasso will be 72.
Senate Conference Vice Chair Roy Blunt will be 75.
Senate Chief Deputy Whip Mike Crapo will be 74.

None of these people are ever going to be elected to an office higher than the one that they currently occupy.  They have a vested interest in maintaining the power that they have.  Even if they lose the majority for a decade, they'll still be there, farking up Democratic presidents during that time, and maybe will get the majority back so that they can ride their careers off into the sunset looking on the power that they amassed.

If Donnie tries to take that power away, they have a vested interest in fighting back.  Most of the leadership is in relatively safe states, and they don't have to worry about getting re-elected.  And if you remember what I said about none of those people being elected to higher office, that doesn't apply to being *appointed* to the cabinet or even the vice presidency, should Donnie be removed.  Even if they don't take a move quite so bald-faced, they could still use their influence to essentially dictate the list of people that they would consider appointing to each of those cabinet posts.
 
2017-06-12 04:29:35 AM  
I was actually thinking about this a while back, but I get the feeling that should Sessions be forced to resign then Trump is going to clean house at the DOJ.  Not just Mueller but Rosenstein as well.  He will claim it's to stop leaks or whatever but it's really to try to cover his own butt.  It will backfire spectacularly  of course.
 
2017-06-12 04:52:08 AM  
If trump really was stupid enough to do this and the GOP did nothing about it, then we would have a civil war.  There would be no point to the rule of law anymore.
 
2017-06-12 06:23:01 AM  
I'm pretty sure Trump's attorney doesn't decide that.
 
2017-06-12 06:37:53 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.


I emphatically agree.  It's the least sane option, which means it will be irresistible.
 
2017-06-12 06:41:44 AM  
This is why you don't allow the more stupid brand of lawyer to answer general questions. In their attempts to never actually give an answer they will give some nonsensical but legally sort of technically correct answer which makes you and them look like the reprehensible shiat-bags you are.
 
2017-06-12 06:43:56 AM  
FTFA: "Look, the president of the United States, as we all know, is a unitary executive," Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week."

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2017-06-12 06:44:30 AM  
He'll absolutely do it, and he'll probably appoint Jared to replace him.
 
2017-06-12 06:47:48 AM  
I can see the sign now hanging forlornly at the main gate to the White House.

HELP WANTED

All positions available

No experience necessary

Apply within*

* Conditions apply
 
2017-06-12 06:49:41 AM  

bobug: FTFA: "Look, the president of the United States, as we all know, is a unitary executive," Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week."

inigio.jpg


Referring to Trump's IQ, obviously.
 
2017-06-12 06:51:57 AM  

Archie Goodwin: I can see the sign now hanging forlornly at the main gate to the White House.

HELP WANTEDAll positions availableNo experience necessaryApply within** Conditions apply


I watched a show on the Roman emperor Commodus this weekend.  Trump's withholding of staffing is straight out of Cleander's playbook, ie when there is an emergency, we'll have no choice but to turn to Trump as an authoritarian executive, because he's gutted or corrupted the agencies that would have otherwise handled it.  Well, the old tricks are the best tricks, I guess.
 
2017-06-12 06:52:53 AM  
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2017-06-12 06:53:23 AM  
C'mon, do it you shiathead. Solidify your position as the most corrupt President in American history. Because if the GOP doesn't help put you behind bars for that, then either they'll get their asses kicked out of office in 2018/2020, or America will fall, and (after a while, at least) we'll be able to start over.

You can be the President that forced the GOP to grow some semblance of a spine, or the President that killed the United States.
 
2017-06-12 06:55:30 AM  

LordJiro: C'mon, do it you shiathead. Solidify your position as the most corrupt President in American history. Because if the GOP doesn't help put you behind bars for that, then either they'll get their asses kicked out of office in 2018/2020, or America will fall, and (after a while, at least) we'll be able to start over.

You can be the President that forced the GOP to grow some semblance of a spine, or the President that killed the United States.


An empire that falls due to outside enemies has a chance of rising again. An empire that falls from within falls forever.
 
2017-06-12 06:56:16 AM  

Weaver95: If trump really was stupid enough to do this and the GOP did nothing about it, then we would have a civil war.  There would be no point to the rule of law anymore.


No, we would not have a civil war.  I've noticed you bring up civil war often.  Americans are too fat and comfortable for a civil war.

Trump firing Mueller would make the blue wave that is about 17 months away bigger and possibly get the special prosecutor rules rewritten, that's it.
 
2017-06-12 06:56:37 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb leopard right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.


/sorry
/you bastards have me thinking "leopard" every time hear mention of "face"
 
2017-06-12 06:57:05 AM  

Smoking GNU: An empire that falls due to outside enemies has a chance of rising again. An empire that falls from within falls forever.


Counterpoint:  No empire lasts forever, nor should they.  Maybe this failure is what we need to do better as a people.  Maybe this is the generation that has to provide the example used by those that come next of what not to do.  Maybe we have to burn our quality of life on the altar of tomorrow.  Who knows.
 
2017-06-12 06:58:57 AM  

Smoking GNU: LordJiro: C'mon, do it you shiathead. Solidify your position as the most corrupt President in American history. Because if the GOP doesn't help put you behind bars for that, then either they'll get their asses kicked out of office in 2018/2020, or America will fall, and (after a while, at least) we'll be able to start over.

You can be the President that forced the GOP to grow some semblance of a spine, or the President that killed the United States.

An empire that falls due to outside enemies has a chance of rising again. An empire that falls from within falls forever.


Thanks, Zemo.
 
2017-06-12 06:59:19 AM  

TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.


People keep talking about how, during Nixon, people put country before party. I just can't see that happening, here. Not with R's actively passing the most repugnant laws they can, gutting or repealing or rendering toothless any controls or protections on people or the environment or businesses, and calling it a victory. They are getting precisely what they want. Why would they stop it?
 
2017-06-12 06:59:20 AM  
OMG..Trumps attorney is Jay "I suck Pat Robertsons peenor" Sekulow...That dude is NUTS..
His entire purpose is to be an evangelical christian money making machine via lawsuits. His little
scumbag crew of "attorneys" sue school districts mostly for "freedom of speech" breaches.
He sucks the tax dollars right out school districts by filing a bunch of frivolous lawsuits and
settling them. That's been his shtick since the early 80's. He gets on the 700 club with Pat Robertson
and begs people for cash to support his "freedom of religion/speech" lawsuits all over the country.
The dude is the equivalent of an ambulance chaser for evangelical nut cases. Of course his
big cause is always "abortion". But that's a money cost, not a money maker. Suing some school
in Farking Frogs,Arkansas because some girl was asked to take off her absurdly huge cross pendant for gym or some other stupid crap.That's where the dollars are.
 
2017-06-12 07:06:33 AM  
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2017-06-12 07:14:47 AM  

Cpl.D: Smoking GNU: An empire that falls due to outside enemies has a chance of rising again. An empire that falls from within falls forever.

Counterpoint:  No empire lasts forever, nor should they.  Maybe this failure is what we need to do better as a people.  Maybe this is the generation that has to provide the example used by those that come next of what not to do.  Maybe we have to burn our quality of life on the altar of tomorrow.  Who knows.


I am just worried about what happens to the nukes. Jericho was not meant to be a how to guide ...
 
2017-06-12 07:21:32 AM  

bobug: TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.

People keep talking about how, during Nixon, people put country before party. I just can't see that happening, here. Not with R's actively passing the most repugnant laws they can, gutting or repealing or rendering toothless any controls or protections on people or the environment or businesses, and calling it a victory. They are getting precisely what they want. Why would they stop it?


I don't for one moment think that they'll put country before party (or at least nowhere near enough of them will to allow a bill of impeachment to pass).  What I do believe is that they'll put their own worldly power before Donnie.

/Though I do have to say that I'm not 100% convinced of that.  The alternative, which I have spelled out for the record, is clear.
 
2017-06-12 07:24:42 AM  

andrewagill: bobug: TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.

People keep talking about how, during Nixon, people put country before party. I just can't see that happening, here. Not with R's actively passing the most repugnant laws they can, gutting or repealing or rendering toothless any controls or protections on people or the environment or businesses, and calling it a victory. They are getting precisely what they want. Why would they stop it?

I don't for one moment think that they'll put country before party (or at least nowhere near enough of them will to allow a bill of impeachment to pass).  What I do believe is that they'll put their own worldly power before Donnie.

/Though I do have to say that I'm not 100% convinced of that.  The alternative, which I have spelled out for the record, is clear.


And, nobody who wins this power struggle, we all lose, because NONE of it is about what's best for the people of the nation.
 
2017-06-12 07:31:18 AM  
If Trump fired Mueller, then Ryan, McConnell, etc. would feel "concerned".
 
2017-06-12 07:33:14 AM  
"Look, the president of the United States, as we all know, is a unitary executive,"

That sounds suspiciously like "He's the king", and as we all know, kings do whatever they want.
 
2017-06-12 07:34:49 AM  
Oh man, does the Saturday Night Massacre really need a gritty reboot? I know the Republicans were hoping for a gender swapped recast version, but it seems they are releasing a crappier version with shiattier actors.

But this gritty reboot may be grittier. For one, if the GOP stands behind Trump after he fires Mueller, this Saturday night Massacre may turn into a Coup d'Etat.
 
2017-06-12 07:35:47 AM  

andrewagill: bobug: TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.

People keep talking about how, during Nixon, people put country before party. I just can't see that happening, here. Not with R's actively passing the most repugnant laws they can, gutting or repealing or rendering toothless any controls or protections on people or the environment or businesses, and calling it a victory. They are getting precisely what they want. Why would they stop it?

I don't for one moment think that they'll put country before party (or at least nowhere near enough of them will to allow a bill of impeachment to pass).  What I do believe is that they'll put their own worldly power before Donnie.


It's not about Country before Party, it's about Congress before the Presidency. They won't have their power insulted.
 
2017-06-12 07:36:24 AM  

bobug: andrewagill: bobug: TheManofPA: J Noble Daggett: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If they fire Mueller it'd be like dropping an atomic bomb right on their own faces. That's why I think they'll do it.

I was predicting that when Comey was fired. It would be suicidal and Trump is just the man to do it.
It would be followed by Congress renewing the laws for a Special Prosecutor appointed by Congress. Trump would veto that law and then Congress would over-ride the veto. Because while the GOP is very loyal, they are also egomaniacal and would not put up with being told the Congress can't challenge the Presidency.

Or and stick with me here, they would just roll over and fall back on whatever random excuse comes out from the White House. I sincerely doubt that there would be a firing of the special prosecutor, but if it did happen, we'd know the talking points before the second thread hits a gredenza.

People keep talking about how, during Nixon, people put country before party. I just can't see that happening, here. Not with R's actively passing the most repugnant laws they can, gutting or repealing or rendering toothless any controls or protections on people or the environment or businesses, and calling it a victory. They are getting precisely what they want. Why would they stop it?

I don't for one moment think that they'll put country before party (or at least nowhere near enough of them will to allow a bill of impeachment to pass).  What I do believe is that they'll put their own worldly power before Donnie.

/Though I do have to say that I'm not 100% convinced of that.  The alternative, which I have spelled out for the record, is clear.

And, nobody who wins this power struggle, we all lose, because NONE of it is about what's best for the people of the nation.


I dunno.  If we get Donnie out of office, and Republicans lose, en masse, in 2018, that's a net good.  I don't pretend for a moment that Democrats aren't similarly power-hungry or that the Democratic Party isn't troubled by serious internal problems as well, but the number of civic or democratic institutions that Republicans are willing to destroy to maintain their power frightens me.
 
2017-06-12 07:37:58 AM  

Aquapope: "Look, the president of the United States, as we all know, is a unitary executive,"

That sounds suspiciously like "He's the king", and as we all know, kings do whatever they want.


That's exactly what it is.
 
2017-06-12 07:40:19 AM  

bobug: because NONE of it is about what's best for the people of the nation.


You're assuming that, in the last 20 years, it has been for the best for the nation.  That's a pretty bold (and unfounded) assumption.

Once the religious right took firm control of the GOP, it became a struggle between the "evil libs" and the "righteous fighters of god".  Compromise became anathema because it was "dealing with the devil".
 
2017-06-12 07:42:54 AM  
This is the same group that argued that the President can't accept a bribe because if the President accepts it, by definition its not a bribe.

They will be arguing for the legalization of Democrat extermination camps soon enough
 
2017-06-12 07:44:01 AM  

Lost Thought 00: They will be arguing for the legalization of Democrat extermination camps soon enough


Dems are already not people.
 
2017-06-12 07:44:11 AM  

andrewagill: I dunno.  If we get Donnie out of office, and Republicans lose, en masse, in 2018, that's a net good.  I don't pretend for a moment that Democrats aren't similarly power-hungry or that the Democratic Party isn't troubled by serious internal problems as well, but the number of civic or democratic institutions that Republicans are willing to destroy to maintain their power frightens me.


And are left piecing back together education, climate, pollution, consumer protections, health care, etc. We're losing a lot in the 2 year's hate, hopefully leading to a rout in 2018.
 
2017-06-12 07:46:34 AM  

SpaceyCat: bobug: because NONE of it is about what's best for the people of the nation.

You're assuming that, in the last 20 years, it has been for the best for the nation.  That's a pretty bold (and unfounded) assumption.

Once the religious right took firm control of the GOP, it became a struggle between the "evil libs" and the "righteous fighters of god".  Compromise became anathema because it was "dealing with the devil".


Didn't say "all for the best of the nation", but I'm going to go with "tried not to go full Voldemort on the nation". Now, it's a continual scenario of "Hold our beer!" when it comes to heinous activities.

And, yes, the religious right has done more to destroy things than I ever conceived, from a theoretically Christian population segment. But power hungry twats have exacerbated that with provably false lies, meant to incite the voters to provide power to those who are hungry for it.

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