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2017-06-11 08:53:29 AM  
They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.
 
2017-06-11 09:02:19 AM  

mrshowrules: finally take them in officially as a State


And cover their debts?
 
2017-06-11 09:10:45 AM  

Sgygus: mrshowrules: finally take them in officially as a State

And cover their debts?


Sure.  Canada would have a tropical destination which, under a Canadian flag, would be a hugely popular destination.   Plus, it would open up tons of trade possibilities.

This is what I don't understand.   The Puerto Rico's dept per GDP is 68%.  Canada's is 66% so not that big of a hit.  Now the US debt per GDP is 104% so I don't under stand why Puerto Rico's debt is considered to be such a big deal by the US but I'm not an economist.  If anything, it would result in a very small reduction in the US' overall debt to GDP ratio.
 
2017-06-11 09:16:10 AM  
I was being snarky, mrshowrules, sorry.  But Puerto Rico does have a better chance of being annexed by Canada than being accepted as a 51st state in the current political climate in the U.S.  No way the Republicans are going to add two Senate seats for the Democrats.
 
2017-06-11 09:17:38 AM  

Sgygus: I was being snarky, mrshowrules, sorry.  But Puerto Rico does have a better chance of being annexed by Canada than being accepted as a 51st state in the current political climate in the U.S.  No way the Republicans are going to add two Senate seats for the Democrats.


Especially not to represent a bunch of greasy beaners.
 
2017-06-11 10:07:51 AM  

Sgygus: I was being snarky, mrshowrules, sorry.  But Puerto Rico does have a better chance of being annexed by Canada than being accepted as a 51st state in the current political climate in the U.S.  No way the Republicans are going to add two Senate seats for the Democrats.


"Of course we're not going to respect their right to collective self-determination, and of course we won't address their economic interests. That would be inconvenient for our own domestic politics."

--Not A Colonial Empire, 2017
 
2017-06-11 10:15:16 AM  
Not a chance.  This is 'merica and we don't want any more of those mesicans here.(please note that to trumpers anything south of Florida is mesican).
 
2017-06-11 10:21:00 AM  
Too many higher ups are invested in their debt.  They might lose some money if PR becomes a state.....
 
2017-06-11 10:26:52 AM  
Republicans will never allow it.  They will not accept an entire state filled with Mexicans to join.
 
2017-06-11 10:27:33 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Republicans will never allow it.  They will not accept an entire state filled with Mexicans to join.


Well played.
 
2017-06-11 10:28:32 AM  
Anyone want to do the math for how that would rearrange the House?
 
2017-06-11 10:31:56 AM  
New York State Department of Education motto:  At least we're not New Jersey.

New Jersey Department of Education motto:  Let's make Puerto Rico a state!
 
2017-06-11 10:35:09 AM  
Why would they want to be part of this farking clown show anyway?
 
2017-06-11 10:35:40 AM  
It could work. Fifth is about to become very popular soon.

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2017-06-11 10:42:01 AM  
We won't call them what they are... a "colony".  The District of Columbia is in the same boat...
 
2017-06-11 10:44:17 AM  
Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Puerto Rico can vote to join, but the final decision rests on Congress.  Considering Puerto Rico's financial condition is almost worse than Illinois, don't count on it.
 
2017-06-11 10:44:21 AM  

the_innkeeper: Anyone want to do the math for how that would rearrange the House?


Up to 5 Congressmen based on the population.
 
2017-06-11 10:44:43 AM  

the_innkeeper: Anyone want to do the math for how that would rearrange the House?


Just a guesstimate, they would be worth about 7, maybe 8 seats. Probably all Democratic. Plus 2 Senate seats, probably Democratic. So 9-10 electoral votes.

Initially they would just add the additional seats, so for a time we would have 442 or 443 House seats. Republicans still have the majority(currently 239-193), just by a thinner margin (maybe 240-200)

Then, there would be a redistribution back to 435 total after the 2020 census. So much can happen by then, there's no telling how that would settle out.

No way the Republicans will go for that. Even if it would be the right thing to do, if Puerto Rico chooses to be a state.
 
2017-06-11 10:45:09 AM  
We should sell it back to Spain
 
2017-06-11 10:48:18 AM  
AAAAnd I used a wrong figure for their population. As mrshowrules says, closer to 5, but just modify my post accordingly. Most of my points stand.

/damned dyslexia!
 
2017-06-11 10:51:18 AM  
Would gladly accept in union...

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2017-06-11 10:53:59 AM  

zamboni: the_innkeeper: Anyone want to do the math for how that would rearrange the House?

Just a guesstimate, they would be worth about 7, maybe 8 seats. Probably all Democratic. Plus 2 Senate seats, probably Democratic. So 9-10 electoral votes.

Initially they would just add the additional seats, so for a time we would have 442 or 443 House seats. Republicans still have the majority(currently 239-193), just by a thinner margin (maybe 240-200)

Then, there would be a redistribution back to 435 total after the 2020 census. So much can happen by then, there's no telling how that would settle out.

No way the Republicans will go for that. Even if it would be the right thing to do, if Puerto Rico chooses to be a state.


If we're going to hang on to miraculous changes of heart in the Republicans anyway...might as well use the introduction of a new state as a good time to increase the number of seats in the House. It's been more than a century since we last changed it, and we've tripled our population.
 
2017-06-11 10:54:08 AM  

abhorrent1: Why would they want to be part of this farking clown show anyway?


Because their current situation is really, really shiatty. Oh, great, they get a non-voting, participation award seat in the House. This country owns them as chattel, we should have the dignity to respect theirs and give them representation. Otherwise, what is in it for them?
 
2017-06-11 10:58:52 AM  
If that happens wouldn't that make Spanish the only official language?
 
2017-06-11 10:59:13 AM  
How great it would be I'm the USA becomes officially and legally more Latino on trumps watch
 
2017-06-11 10:59:39 AM  
2 more Democratic senators?  Never gonna happen.  Republicans will make sure of that, and Democrats are too spineless to push for it.
 
2017-06-11 11:00:57 AM  

Leader O'Cola: How great it would be I'm the USA becomes officially and legally more Latino on trumps watch


If*, not I'm


Stupid phone
 
2017-06-11 11:05:00 AM  
First they must pledge their loyalty to Trump and the Republican Party.

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2017-06-11 11:12:32 AM  
Right wingers won't accept a place with a large spanish speaking population as a state, period. Partly because they are all inveterate racist scum, but also because they seem to think English is enshrined as our official language in the biblotution. So the cousinfarking wing of the derp party will tank anything like this.
 
2017-06-11 11:20:26 AM  
After the 2020 elections, when the Dems have swept the GOP from power, the Senate will admit both DC and PR as states. That will increase the number of Democratic Senators by 4, and the number of Democratic Representatives by 5 for PR and an additional 1 from DC. If we stay at our current total of 435 voting members of the House, those 6 seats will likely come from states with 2 or 3 Reps now: RI, ME, NH, HI, ID, WV, NE, and NM, though a careful accounting might take 1 or 2 from larger states.
 
2017-06-11 11:30:06 AM  
We're not helping you with your bankruptcy problem.

Accept that and you're more than welcome to be the 51st state.
 
2017-06-11 11:42:06 AM  
Voting on Sunday, what a novel idea.
 
2017-06-11 11:43:50 AM  

mrshowrules: Sgygus: mrshowrules: finally take them in officially as a State

And cover their debts?

Sure.  Canada would have a tropical destination which, under a Canadian flag, would be a hugely popular destination.   Plus, it would open up tons of trade possibilities.

This is what I don't understand.   The Puerto Rico's dept per GDP is 68%.  Canada's is 66% so not that big of a hit.  Now the US debt per GDP is 104% so I don't under stand why Puerto Rico's debt is considered to be such a big deal by the US but I'm not an economist.  If anything, it would result in a very small reduction in the US' overall debt to GDP ratio.


Hopefully this isn't considered threadjacking, but I spent some time in the Turks and Caicos in the last few years. There is very strong support for leaving the commonwealth and either being an independent country, or what most I've spoken to prefer, becoming a canadian province.
 
2017-06-11 11:47:59 AM  
But 50 states is such a nice, round, satisfying number.
 
2017-06-11 11:53:50 AM  

doczoidberg: But 50 states is such a nice, round, satisfying number.


Yeah, but making new flags would create jobs, jobs, jobs!

/in China
 
2017-06-11 11:55:05 AM  

randomjsa: We're not helping you with your bankruptcy problem.

Accept that and you're more than welcome to be the 51st state.


I guess you missed the part where Puerto Rico's Democratic governor Ricardo Rossello said, "We wouldn't want a bailout. I'm no fan of bailouts. I think we need to assume responsibility for what's going on here," he said.
 
2017-06-11 12:01:27 PM  
Works for me.

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2017-06-11 12:02:16 PM  

randomjsa: We're not helping you with your bankruptcy problem.

Accept that and you're more than welcome to be the 51st state.


lol, wow. Where to begin?

You know that if we add them as a state we then have to help them with their bankruptcy problem. It then becomes our problem, officially.

That our congress and Wall Street caused, anyway.

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2017-06-11 12:16:02 PM  

mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.


As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.
 
2017-06-11 12:22:42 PM  

aremmes: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.


As if Americans could identify Puerto Rico.
 
2017-06-11 12:23:54 PM  

pkjun: aremmes: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.

As if AmericansCanadians could identify Puerto Rico.


FTFY
 
2017-06-11 12:33:49 PM  

Stone Meadow: pkjun: aremmes: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.

As if AmericansCanadians could identify Puerto Rico.

FTFY


I trust the Canadians to know more about Puerto Rico than Americans, given that they don't have their heads up their asses when it comes to Cuba.
 
2017-06-11 01:19:23 PM  

bigfatbuddhist: We won't call them what they are... a "colony".  The District of Columbia is in the same boat...


Except the reason they won't become a state has nothing to do with the current states of the US, it's been continually blocked by internal factions of Puerto Rico.

While there are exceptions, largely the US wants it to become a state and has been applying pressure to that effect pretty hard for several decades.  In the late 90s / early 2000s we were actually threatening to make the other option "become an independent nation instead", is how frustrated the US is with this at this point.  Disenfranchisement is exactly the opposite of what they're getting from the nation, their problem is purely internal.
 
2017-06-11 01:40:08 PM  

corteran: mrshowrules: Sgygus: mrshowrules: finally take them in officially as a State

And cover their debts?

Sure.  Canada would have a tropical destination which, under a Canadian flag, would be a hugely popular destination.   Plus, it would open up tons of trade possibilities.

This is what I don't understand.   The Puerto Rico's dept per GDP is 68%.  Canada's is 66% so not that big of a hit.  Now the US debt per GDP is 104% so I don't under stand why Puerto Rico's debt is considered to be such a big deal by the US but I'm not an economist.  If anything, it would result in a very small reduction in the US' overall debt to GDP ratio.

Hopefully this isn't considered threadjacking, but I spent some time in the Turks and Caicos in the last few years. There is very strong support for leaving the commonwealth and either being an independent country, or what most I've spoken to prefer, becoming a canadian province.


I've been 100% on board with Turks and Caicos joining Canada for many years.  It keeps falling through though.
 
2017-06-11 01:41:56 PM  

aremmes: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.


Think America but with free health care and a cool President.
 
2017-06-11 01:44:01 PM  

Sgygus: I was being snarky, mrshowrules, sorry.  But Puerto Rico does have a better chance of being annexed by Canada than being accepted as a 51st state in the current political climate in the U.S.  No way the Republicans are going to add two Senate seats for the Democrats.


Can you even IMAGINE his handlers trying to explain the idea of a 51st state to a man who BARELY understands Hawaii.
 
2017-06-11 01:54:17 PM  

mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.


shhhh! We want Turks and Caicos!

(May have just bought property there)
 
2017-06-11 02:03:54 PM  

MLWS: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

shhhh! We want Turks and Caicos!

(May have just bought property there)


Take both.  One of the reasons Turks and Caicos interests me the most is that it provides a pilot for future additions.  Imagine an entire empire built on invitation.  Plus it is f$cking cold up here so we need places to go.
 
2017-06-11 02:10:39 PM  

Jim_Callahan: bigfatbuddhist: We won't call them what they are... a "colony".  The District of Columbia is in the same boat...

Except the reason they won't become a state has nothing to do with the current states of the US, it's been continually blocked by internal factions of Puerto Rico.

While there are exceptions, largely the US wants it to become a state and has been applying pressure to that effect pretty hard for several decades.  In the late 90s / early 2000s we were actually threatening to make the other option "become an independent nation instead", is how frustrated the US is with this at this point.  Disenfranchisement is exactly the opposite of what they're getting from the nation, their problem is purely internal.


Correct. Much of the pushback against becoming a US state comes from misunderstandings about the federal tax system, which the conservative factions use to scare people by saying that they'll have to pay a 35%+ marginal tax rate, conveniently omitting that most people won't even fall into the 10% bracket, and that they're already paying SSA/Medicare/self-employment (they don't pay federal income tax).
 
2017-06-11 02:14:37 PM  

mrshowrules: aremmes: mrshowrules: They should vote/petition to join Canada.  I would love to accept them as a Province.  As soon as Canada started debating it in the House of Commons - the US would wake up and finally take them in officially as a State.

As a Puerto Rican, I find this concept extremely attractive. Too bad that the vast majority of Puerto Ricans cannot identify a single Canadian city on a map. Including Toronto.

Think America but with free health care and a cool President.


Oh, I know -- I've lived in the US for about 19 years now, and things already looked better north of the border when I moved, even through the Stephen McSweatervest years.
 
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