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(Guardian)   Greg Gianforte to plead guilty to assaulting Guardian reporter   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-06-10 10:47:42 PM  
I predict a five hundred dollar fine, a month of unsupervised probation and a withholding of a finding of guilt.

You know the same as anyone else similarly situated would get.
 
2017-06-10 11:10:56 PM  
The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.
 
2017-06-10 11:24:37 PM  

feckingmorons: I predict a five hundred dollar fine, a month of unsupervised probation and a withholding of a finding of guilt.

You know the same as anyone else similarly situated would get.


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Meanwhile Kalief Browder kills himself after spending 3 years in jail without charges.  Allegation was stealing a back-pack.
 
2017-06-10 11:29:04 PM  
He did give a deeply felt apology.  I'm sure that worked in his favor.
 
2017-06-10 11:35:11 PM  

Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.


He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.
 
2017-06-11 12:11:43 AM  
He got off way too easy.
 
2017-06-11 12:14:36 AM  

Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.


The Guardian headline is probably wrong. He is most probably entering a nolo contendre plea, the article discusses no-contest. The civil settlement allows for a no contest plea.
 
2017-06-11 02:59:20 AM  
This guy has what it takes to be president.
 
2017-06-11 02:59:21 AM  

dodecahedron: He got off way too easy.


So you're saying he should have displayed more stamina and slapped the reporter around a bit more?
 
2017-06-11 03:06:31 AM  
Fun fact, Gianforte is Italian for giant vagina.
 
2017-06-11 03:15:16 AM  

Boo_Guy: Fun fact, Gianforte is Italian for giant vagina.


So... He's a big pussy?
 
2017-06-11 03:20:20 AM  

mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.


I love this.

For that .016% rate I'm buying a multi use card to keep on file at the courthouse where I can load up about 20 assaults and they punch the card for each event and I don't have to write a check every time I want to lay some motherfarker out.   I'd check into having my credit card reward points go to directly funding to my "assholes who need punching" account.
 
2017-06-11 03:25:20 AM  

batlock666: Boo_Guy: Fun fact, Gianforte is Italian for giant vagina.

So... He's a big pussy?


That's not for me to say.

But he does make little squishing sounds whenever he walks.
 
2017-06-11 03:25:46 AM  

mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.


This is one of the BIG problems I have with America.

If we start fining CERTAIN offenses more proportionally to income level, you may actually see the government "do well" enough so that they may be able to not raise taxes or cut benefits to the poor or middle class.
 
2017-06-11 03:31:34 AM  
Theatrics. Making sure you see him sniffling and dabbing his eyes. I bet he got high fives and big-grinned handshakes from Republicans everywhere that night.

If this bullshiat keeps up for much longer, journalists need to start arming themselves. Can already hear the wailing whimpers of confused conservative outrage when a reporter bears arms in self-defense.
 
2017-06-11 03:41:36 AM  

puffy999: mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.

This is one of the BIG problems I have with America.

If we start fining CERTAIN offenses more proportionally to income level, you may actually see the government "do well" enough so that they may be able to not raise taxes or cut benefits to the poor or middle class.


And have the Rich actually see consequences for their actions? Pish posh. Repercussions are for the rabble.
 
2017-06-11 03:43:46 AM  
 
2017-06-11 03:47:04 AM  
RINO
 
2017-06-11 03:49:27 AM  
I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.
 
2017-06-11 03:53:54 AM  

corteran: I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.


His apology included a farking shameful reference to "some have accused of you of staring it" when it was his own campaign that did that. Fark him. He'd do it again if he didn't think he'd get caught.
 
2017-06-11 03:58:11 AM  

corteran: equal justice under the law


I mean, "equal justice" would imply equal punishment. Which would imply, equal fines. Which implies, fines based on net worth...
 
2017-06-11 04:00:14 AM  
But, you already knew the wealthy don't have "equal justice." Let's ignore fines, for a second...

If this guy weren't wealthy, or politically connected, he wouldn't have been allowed to just hop in a car and ride off into the sunset after assaulting someone in front of several witnesses.
 
2017-06-11 04:01:23 AM  

corteran: I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.


Except it's not equal justice. A poorer person is hit far, FAR harder by a fine like this than a rich person. The only 'equal justice' is if a poor person and a rich person are 'hurt' the same amount by a penalty, and the only way to do that is by making fines proportional to one's income.

As it is, a poor person who gets a speeding ticket, for example, can lose a significant chunk of their income, while a rich person can pay the fine with what amounts to pocket change. That means getting caught speeding is, at worst, a minor inconvenience for a wealthier person, and hardly a reason to give a shiat about speeding in the future.

Same goes for this sort of assault, and any other crime penalized with a fine.
 
2017-06-11 04:01:51 AM  
IF it makes you feel better, we can have "income discounts" for fines. So if you assault somebody, it is a one million dollar fine, which can be reduced based on income level or assets.
 
2017-06-11 04:06:49 AM  

puffy999: mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.

This is one of the BIG problems I have with America.

If we start fining CERTAIN offenses more proportionally to income level, you may actually see the government "do well" enough so that they may be able to not raise taxes or cut benefits to the poor or middle class.


I vaguely remember some hockey player last year when he was back home in the offseason, he got a speeding ticket, since they fine based on income and he's pretty damn well off the fine was like $20,000. Oops.

If I were well off I'd certainly be more likely to speed, as it is I can't afford it so while I still speed I'm usually going with traffic or slightly faster, I'm not usually the fastest car on the highway.
 
2017-06-11 04:15:13 AM  

Boo_Guy: I vaguely remember some hockey player last year when he was back home in the offseason, he got a speeding ticket, since they fine based on income and he's pretty damn well off the fine was like $20,000. Oops.


Sweden, IIRC, does that for various traffic fines.
 
2017-06-11 04:15:48 AM  
Hell, in Washington state, your car registration fees are tied to vehicle value.
 
2017-06-11 04:22:06 AM  

LordJiro: corteran: I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.

Except it's not equal justice. A poorer person is hit far, FAR harder by a fine like this than a rich person. The only 'equal justice' is if a poor person and a rich person are 'hurt' the same amount by a penalty, and the only way to do that is by making fines proportional to one's income.

As it is, a poor person who gets a speeding ticket, for example, can lose a significant chunk of their income, while a rich person can pay the fine with what amounts to pocket change. That means getting caught speeding is, at worst, a minor inconvenience for a wealthier person, and hardly a reason to give a shiat about speeding in the future.

Same goes for this sort of assault, and any other crime penalized with a fine.


A wealth based punishment could be a legitimate and fair policy, however in actual reality in Montana right now the fines and punishment are set in statute. I would prefer to see the court take wealth into account but according to the current law he  has pleaded guilty and accepted the consequences.

Again I don't know if he is sincere or is just trying to look good and pay his pittance. His assault was reprehensible, His blaming the victim at first showed what kind of person he is, but I won't fault his actions since.
 
2017-06-11 04:40:16 AM  
Given the facts that: 1) the current Republican Congress is unlikely to think twice about seating this sack of crap, and 2) the statutory allowances for fines don't even amount to a feather-tickle on the wrist for a one-third-billionaire living in f*cking Montana; I'd give him the full 6 months in county to think about the awesome job waiting for him with Paul Ryan's glaze-eyed, morally bankrupt blessing.

/he's not gonna serve a day
 
2017-06-11 04:45:39 AM  

puffy999: Hell, in Washington state, your car registration fees are tied to vehicle value.


 It's kind of like that in Colorado except it is tied to the original value of the car.  I got someone else's renewal card in the mail and while their car was 10 years newer than mine I had to pay more than they did.
 
2017-06-11 04:47:03 AM  
Back to the original thread.  Is he is getting sentenced to two years in Congress?
 
2017-06-11 04:48:13 AM  
What are the odds this guy will have to enroll in an anger management class? Around here first time offenders on assault charges tend to avoid jail time only if they play nice during anger management classes.
 
2017-06-11 04:53:22 AM  

LordJiro: corteran: I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.

Except it's not equal justice. A poorer person is hit far, FAR harder by a fine like this than a rich person. The only 'equal justice' is if a poor person and a rich person are 'hurt' the same amount by a penalty, and the only way to do that is by making fines proportional to one's income.

As it is, a poor person who gets a speeding ticket, for example, can lose a significant chunk of their income, while a rich person can pay the fine with what amounts to pocket change. That means getting caught speeding is, at worst, a minor inconvenience for a wealthier person, and hardly a reason to give a shiat about speeding in the future.

Same goes for this sort of assault, and any other crime penalized with a fine.


Also, equal justice under the law is just a comfy fiction people like to write on courthouses. It isn't a binding authority or anything.
 
2017-06-11 06:54:37 AM  

corteran: I say "equal justice under the law"


It's not equal justice when the this leads only to a misdemeanor charge:

"Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him," wrote the Fox News reporter Alicia Alcuna. "Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter."

For anyone else that's a felony, meaning a year or more in prison.
 
2017-06-11 06:59:14 AM  

gilgigamesh: Also, equal justice under the law is just a comfy fiction people like to write on courthouses. It isn't a binding authority or anything.


14th amendment equal protection clause:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "
 
2017-06-11 07:42:29 AM  

corteran: I read his apology and was surprised and impressed. There were no qualifying statements, nothing whatsoever like the usual politicians apology with things like "if anyone was offended".

While I am disgusted that voters put him in office, for everyone saying whatever fine or judgement is made is not enough because of his net worth I say "equal justice under the law". That is the basis of our justice system. It is abused far too often, but in this case with a guilty plea, I believe he has done the right things, and accepted his guilt. I hope the voters of Montana remember this incident in two years and replace him.

Commence the flames for being a leftist that said something like this, but I stand by my belief that since the election he has done the right things. I am not making any statement about whether his actions are a show or genuine.


This.  In the narrow field of "the response to this incident, if we ignore that first day where he was a complete ass", he did far better than expected.  This doesn't in any way reflect his worth as a person, but it does show that he can take PR lessons far better than his colleagues.
 
2017-06-11 07:58:19 AM  
Court fines should be based on a percentage of a individual's or company's assets, not a static amount.

/but we all know that will never happen
 
2017-06-11 08:31:59 AM  

puffy999: mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.

This is one of the BIG problems I have with America.

If we start fining CERTAIN offenses more proportionally to income level, you may actually see the government "do well" enough so that they may be able to not raise taxes or cut benefits to the poor or middle class.


Ooo oooo!  Its drug crimes isnt it!?  If we just start fining drug offenders proportions of their income, we will solve all the problems!

/not the opiate addicts though.
//those poor white kids are just sick and need help
///you were probably talking about other crime$$$
 
2017-06-11 08:49:21 AM  

GhostfacedFiddlah: This.  In the narrow field of "the response to this incident, if we ignore that first day where he was a complete ass", he did far better than expected.  This doesn't in any way reflect his worth as a person, but it does show that he can take PR lessons far better than his colleagues.


See how far a great apology gets you for something like pot possession or shoplifting.  Assault and battery, however, that shiat's gold for some reason.
 
2017-06-11 09:56:28 AM  

jaytkay: gilgigamesh: Also, equal justice under the law is just a comfy fiction people like to write on courthouses. It isn't a binding authority or anything.

14th amendment equal protection clause:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "


And every few years we have to take some dumbass law or another up to SCOTUS and get equal protection confirmed. And it's usually a nail-biter. And sometimes you get Dred Scott. Equal justice is by no means assured.
 
2017-06-11 10:04:09 AM  
I bet that if an average Black man did the same to Gianforte we'd be reading how he was shot and killed by the police the day of the incident, and not discussing "fines".
 
2017-06-11 10:31:35 AM  
Gianforte? Guess he should've stayed at a Gianpianissimo. Or, at most, a Gianmezzoforte.
 
2017-06-11 10:42:03 AM  

feckingmorons: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

The Guardian headline is probably wrong. He is most probably entering a nolo contendre plea, the article discusses no-contest. The civil settlement allows for a no contest plea.


That's how I read it as well. The guy doesn't want an actual guilty plea on record, as would open the door to the pesky moral turpitude issues. No contest means he pays the fine and gets his hand slapped.

Surprised the reporter settled for that, honestly
 
2017-06-11 11:18:01 AM  
Oh look, rich guy with power gets a slap on the wrist.  Right now.

The one thing missed in this entire thing is how out of the blue it was.  Gianforte has a temper issue, and it seems that he has a light trigger to set him off.  Which certainly won't play into anything if he has to face a town hall full of people furious about him cancelling their health insurance, either.  So now Gianforte won a seat....and now everybody knows you don't have to press hard to have this giant millionaire manbaby flip the fark out and deck you and possibly give you a fat payday.

I say we take a big look into Gianforte's past.  I'm sure he'shiat a few women with as tender his little feel-feels are.
 
2017-06-11 11:41:34 AM  
Gianforte's an Old Testament thumper of the worst kind. I doubt we've seen the last of his violent outbursts.
Pity his staff... and family.
 
2017-06-11 12:22:02 PM  
I honestly hope the judge is having a bad day and decides to give him the full six month penalty. Six months in a county jail would probably do this guy some good.

Won't happen, but a guy can dream, right?
 
2017-06-11 12:30:58 PM  

bluejeansonfire: If this bullshiat keeps up for much longer, journalists need to start arming themselves. Can already hear the wailing whimpers of confused conservative outrage when a reporter bears arms in self-defense.


By "wailing whimpers" I think you mean cheers and applause when a cop is handed the perfect excuse to murder a journalist in broad daylight.

Because "overpowering a possible threat to an elected official" will require several shots to the head at point-blank range.
 
2017-06-11 12:36:42 PM  
Twig boy should've gone for the throat and farked him up
 
2017-06-11 01:30:19 PM  

mrshowrules: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

He's worth $315,000,000.  1% of his net worth would be $3.15M.  $50K is only 0.016% of his net worth.

WTF?  I have am not sure what my net worth.  For argument's sake, let's say it is $500K.  That would be like me paying an $80 fine.  WTF?  If I could get away with assaulting someone for $80 it would be a monthly f$cking event.


Rich? White? Conservative?

If you answered YES to all three, than CONGRATULATIONS! It COULD be a monthly event!

/it's getting harder and harder to see this country as anything but an oligarchy
 
2017-06-11 02:06:08 PM  

houstondragon: feckingmorons: Redh8t: The guilty plea is proper.

Once the $50,000 pledged to the Committee to Protect Journalists is received and published; the matter should take the bench, at least until the next election cycle.

The Guardian headline is probably wrong. He is most probably entering a nolo contendre plea, the article discusses no-contest. The civil settlement allows for a no contest plea.

That's how I read it as well. The guy doesn't want an actual guilty plea on record, as would open the door to the pesky moral turpitude issues. No contest means he pays the fine and gets his hand slapped.

Surprised the reporter settled for that, honestly


Why? The end result is the same, regardless of his plea. He will be convicted of the charge and unless he receives a deferred sentence, it will be on his record forever as an assault conviction.
 
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