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(The Hill)   Puerto Rico wants to become a state and sign on to this whole crazy USA thing   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-06-07 09:02:19 PM  
Well, my current flag is looking a little ragged. Need to get a new one.

/With Fringes.
 
2017-06-07 09:15:41 PM  
Excellent
 
2017-06-07 09:15:58 PM  
Dude. Wait for Sunday at least.
 
2017-06-07 09:51:30 PM  
But.... why?
 
2017-06-07 09:54:03 PM  

deffuse: But.... why?


Follow the money. Where are most US flag manufacturers located?

China. Exactly. All the pieces finally fall into place.
 
2017-06-07 09:57:50 PM  
Has anyone mentioned to them that this country is currently being run by the same guy who ran a casino into bankruptcy?
 
2017-06-07 10:36:54 PM  
Odds of the GOP voting to bring 2 more permanent Democratic seats into the Senate?

Is there a negative zero?
 
2017-06-08 12:19:45 AM  
cool
 
2017-06-08 12:45:05 AM  
Statehood, schmatehood. How's their street food?
 
2017-06-08 12:51:02 AM  

Notabunny: Statehood, schmatehood. How's their street food?


Pretty good, at least in San Juan.
 
2017-06-08 12:51:42 AM  

wejash: Odds of the GOP voting to bring 2 more permanent Democratic seats into the Senate?

Is there a negative zero?


"Why is it that everyone who isn't either the .01% or delusional Fox new cultists hates us? Are we horrible people? No, it must be the filthy liberals and (((globalists))) who are wrong..."
 
2017-06-08 12:54:04 AM  
If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.
 
2017-06-08 12:55:16 AM  

Notabunny: Statehood, schmatehood. How's their street food?


Best empanadas and rum I've ever had.  The local pineapples are also world-class.

And if the finances in San Juan are f*cked beyond repair, why not?  With the Mango Mussolini in charge, Tropico-levels of corruption and mismanagement are merely quaint
 
2017-06-08 12:56:21 AM  
Hey, I'm game to let the folks in Northern California/Southern Oregon form the State of Jefferson if it would help to add a Republican state at the same time.

I'm not even doing electoral or congressional math. I just think it's bullshiat how we treat our colonies territories.
 
2017-06-08 12:58:25 AM  

I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.


I'd imagine the residents of DC are pretty annoyed with you right now.
 
2017-06-08 12:58:52 AM  

bloobeary: Has anyone mentioned to them that this country is currently being run by the same guy who ran a casino into bankruptcy?


They're broke and in debt, too. Misery, company, yada yada.
 
2017-06-08 12:59:28 AM  

I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.


Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.
 
2017-06-08 12:59:49 AM  
Let them and the rest in.  i mean hell, like 80% of the population of guam are vets.
 
2017-06-08 01:00:18 AM  
MST3K - Progress Island U.S.A.
Youtube ZlyaVk8PKwQ

Puerto Rico! Progress Island, USA!
 
2017-06-08 01:02:37 AM  
They are probably too liberal to be welcomed into Trumpland.
 
2017-06-08 01:03:50 AM  

ImpendingCynic: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

I'd imagine the residents of DC are pretty annoyed with you right now.


They don't count, not even in crazy hypotheticals.
/not serious
//55 stars would look EVEN BETTER
///Not sure what would be better/crazier, Making D.C. a state or allocating votes based on location to the nearest state (crazier redistricting happens in cities all over the country)
 
2017-06-08 01:04:32 AM  

fragMasterFlash: They are probably too liberal to be welcomed into Trumpland.


I dunno, they sure did a shiatload of spending and not much taxing.
 
2017-06-08 01:06:29 AM  
Its pretty farked up that we are keeping 3.5 million people in limbo the way we do with PR but there is a near zero chance they will be allowed to become a state.   The only way I could see them being admitted is with a constitutional amendment that permanently stripped them of congressional representation.
 
2017-06-08 01:06:55 AM  

bloobeary: Has anyone mentioned to them that this country is currently being run by the same guy who ran a casino into bankruptcy?


Sheldon Adelson?
 
2017-06-08 01:07:49 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.


D.C has over 600k. So using that metric we should let them in too.

Also, I would not be opposed to breaking California into 3 and Texas into 2.

So boom, 55 states with PR.
 
2017-06-08 01:08:35 AM  

I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: ImpendingCynic: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

I'd imagine the residents of DC are pretty annoyed with you right now.

They don't count, not even in crazy hypotheticals.
/not serious
//55 stars would look EVEN BETTER
///Not sure what would be better/crazier, Making D.C. a state or allocating votes based on location to the nearest state (crazier redistricting happens in cities all over the country)


You're all wrong, we need to stop at 53 or keep on going to 59. Make the Pledge of Allegiance correct when it says "one Nation, indivisible".
 
2017-06-08 01:09:05 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.


If I'm reading this correctly, there's no population requirement necessarily. One was made (60k) for Michigan in the 1830s, but... I'm not seeing that anywhere in any texts with a quick Google.

Besides, any population limit is set by law, which can be amended by a new law, such as the Act to bring them into Statehood.
 
2017-06-08 01:13:20 AM  

madgonad: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.

D.C has over 600k. So using that metric we should let them in too.

Also, I would not be opposed to breaking California into 3 and Texas into 2.

So boom, 55 states with PR.


What should happen is that, outside of the National Mall, specific Federal buildings, and other properties, DC should revert to Maryland.

Or, alternatively, for the purposes of representation, be counted as Maryland. Maryland redraws their district borders to cover DC, DC votes in Maryland elections.
 
2017-06-08 01:17:41 AM  

wejash: Odds of the GOP voting to bring 2 more permanent Democratic seats into the Senate?

Is there a negative zero?


Even if they were redder than red, there's no farking way it would happen under Trump.  His base would riot at any attempt to bring in a state of native Spanish speakers.
 
2017-06-08 01:17:51 AM  

Summercat: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.

If I'm reading this correctly, there's no population requirement necessarily. One was made (60k) for Michigan in the 1830s, but... I'm not seeing that anywhere in any texts with a quick Google.

Besides, any population limit is set by law, which can be amended by a new law, such as the Act to bring them into Statehood.


While true, it's a bit ridiculous.  My suburban town should get 2 senators by this logic.

Why not at least make it the State of The Pacific Islands or something and they are all part of one state.
 
2017-06-08 01:21:23 AM  

wejash: Summercat: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.

If I'm reading this correctly, there's no population requirement necessarily. One was made (60k) for Michigan in the 1830s, but... I'm not seeing that anywhere in any texts with a quick Google.

Besides, any population limit is set by law, which can be amended by a new law, such as the Act to bring them into Statehood.

While true, it's a bit ridiculous.  My suburban town should get 2 senators by this logic.

Why not at least make it the State of The Pacific Islands or something and they are all part of one state.


I'm not sure if it is possible, but land may not be required. Could expatriates living abroad by registered into a state for representation? It would only have Federal elections (senators and reps).
 
2017-06-08 01:23:25 AM  

wejash: Summercat: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.

If I'm reading this correctly, there's no population requirement necessarily. One was made (60k) for Michigan in the 1830s, but... I'm not seeing that anywhere in any texts with a quick Google.

Besides, any population limit is set by law, which can be amended by a new law, such as the Act to bring them into Statehood.

While true, it's a bit ridiculous.  My suburban town should get 2 senators by this logic.

Why not at least make it the State of The Pacific Islands or something and they are all part of one state.


The underlying issue territories face is lack of representation. If PR has that much of a larger population than the others, it would totally dominate the combined state's representation and not really help the others.
 
2017-06-08 01:25:57 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: wejash: Summercat: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.

Those are much too small, even in aggregate.

Guam   Population: 169,885 (2015)
Marshalls    Population: 52,993 (2015)
American Samoa   Population: 55,538 (2015)

So 278,000 people when the smallest current state population is Wyoming at 585,501.

If I'm reading this correctly, there's no population requirement necessarily. One was made (60k) for Michigan in the 1830s, but... I'm not seeing that anywhere in any texts with a quick Google.

Besides, any population limit is set by law, which can be amended by a new law, such as the Act to bring them into Statehood.

While true, it's a bit ridiculous.  My suburban town should get 2 senators by this logic.

Why not at least make it the State of The Pacific Islands or something and they are all part of one state.

The underlying issue territories face is lack of representation. If PR has that much of a larger population than the others, it would totally dominate the combined state's representation and not really help the others.


I think Puerto Rico is in the Caribbean, not the Pacific :v
 
2017-06-08 01:26:10 AM  
PR does this every now and then, and the results are usually the same. 1/3rd want statehood, 1/3rd want to remain a territory, 1/3rd want to be an independent country. So I'd be real surprised if they get 50.1% for Statehood.
 
2017-06-08 01:28:58 AM  

JonBuck: [YouTube video]
Puerto Rico! Progress Island, USA!


Dammit! Beat me too it. Had the URL all ready an everything. Cheers to another MiSTie!

/I love that short.
 
2017-06-08 01:28:58 AM  

Bugerz: fragMasterFlash: They are probably too liberal to be welcomed into Trumpland.

I dunno, they sure did a shiatload of spending and not much taxing.


Which makes them yet another red state. Dammit.
 
2017-06-08 01:29:16 AM  

Lackofname: PR does this every now and then, and the results are usually the same. 1/3rd want statehood, 1/3rd want to remain a territory, 1/3rd want to be an independent country. So I'd be real surprised if they get 50.1% for Statehood.


You mean like in 2012 when they voted over 60% for statehood?
 
2017-06-08 01:35:01 AM  

Summoner101: Lackofname: PR does this every now and then, and the results are usually the same. 1/3rd want statehood, 1/3rd want to remain a territory, 1/3rd want to be an independent country. So I'd be real surprised if they get 50.1% for Statehood.

You mean like in 2012 when they voted over 60% for statehood?


And I am thusly surprised.
 
2017-06-08 01:43:57 AM  

I'm Mr. Meeseeks!: If puerto rico is a state, then we should add guam, the marshalls, america samoa, so we can have an addition of an even four stars to the flag.


Pretty much came here to say this.  It is such a shame that racism prevents them from having done so already.
 
2017-06-08 01:44:24 AM  
You'll have to convince Congress you are staunch Republicans or wait until Democrats can control all branches of government.
 
2017-06-08 01:58:19 AM  
At this point, I kind of question their sanity, but they've long since earned it. They've been a state in all but name for far too long.
 
2017-06-08 02:01:37 AM  

wejash: Why not at least make it the State of The Pacific Islands or something and they are all part of one state.


Summercat: What should happen is that, outside of the National Mall, specific Federal buildings, and other properties, DC should revert to Maryland.


For a while I've thought the way the USA should look is to take those two ideas and add statehood for Puerto Rico. Perhaps rather that making a state for the pacific territories just add them to Hawaii.

Anyone that argues that we shouldn't accept more states because 50 is a nice round number or that any particular number is better or worse on a flag isn't worth having a discussion with. They either aren't being serious or they lack the mental facility to engage in an adult discussion.
 
2017-06-08 02:03:20 AM  

bloobeary: Has anyone mentioned to them that this country is currently being run by the same guy who ran a casino into bankruptcy?


They're a part of the United States now. Statehood will give them the right to elect representatives to Congress that might be able to work for them against President Rancid Velveeta.
 
2017-06-08 02:06:35 AM  

Notabunny: Statehood, schmatehood. How's their street food?


Why is it suddenly hip to eat at roach wagons?
 
2017-06-08 02:11:45 AM  

stoli n coke: Notabunny: Statehood, schmatehood. How's their street food?

Why is it suddenly hip to eat at roach wagons?


Oh, my god. You mean I've actually done something before it was hip? Crap. Do I have to wear skinny jeans and a vest now?
 
2017-06-08 02:13:00 AM  

bloobeary: Has anyone mentioned to them that this country is currently being run by the same guy who ran a casino into bankruptcy?


Four! Four casinos! Ah! Ah! Ah!
 
2017-06-08 02:24:05 AM  
Sure, let's get two more Democratic senators and a few congressmen. It'll never happen with a GOP majority but should happen as soon as it's possible.
 
2017-06-08 02:28:38 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-06-08 02:29:30 AM  

Summoner101: Lackofname: PR does this every now and then, and the results are usually the same. 1/3rd want statehood, 1/3rd want to remain a territory, 1/3rd want to be an independent country. So I'd be real surprised if they get 50.1% for Statehood.

You mean like in 2012 when they voted over 60% for statehood?


Yeah, but the PPD abstained from part two of that referendum specifically to throw the result into doubt and prevent anything actually being done about it. Congress can ignore an ambiguous result and maintain the status quo. This time it looks likely there will be over 50% unambiguously for Statehood, and once that's the case it will be difficult for even the Republicans to deny a petition they've explicitly said for years that they support.
 
2017-06-08 02:38:27 AM  
Puerto Rico is far too broke for independence.  Their current government is rather corrupt so the first thing to happen if they went for statehood is the DOJ going in and doing some serious housecleaning.  My guess is the people most against statehood are the most corrupt.   They know statehood means prison.
 
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