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2004-05-20 11:22:37 AM  
Did ANYONE RTFA??

there is NO way this headline is ok, I bet 10$ on a right-winger that was beating off realizing he could somehow prove he was right by posting that headline

how was this greenlighted? This is obviously trying to spin the issue

this article should not have been posted or said something along the lines "Iraqis Officials calls it a wedding; US officials 5 years old insurgents" or whatever.
 
2004-05-20 11:22:49 AM  
Another cute animal bookmark...


http://www.trevathanfarm.com/
 
2004-05-20 11:22:55 AM  
Churnin:

Your response to me is ridiculous. What the hell does the 'Food for Oil" program have to do with ANYTHING I said?

To me, its quite obvious that you just want these people dead. You view all Iraqi's as the enemy, something, even the administartion does not think. I'm sure the majority of the Iraqi's are garetful for being liberated from Saddam. We need to keep these people on our side, we don't want more insurgents. But hey, keep hoping for your 'Final Solution' and we can keep more soldiers there and keep them in more danger.



You sir, are a farkin moron. I should have known better,
 
2004-05-20 11:22:58 AM  
Churnin Urn of Burnin Spunk: "My goal is to kill those who wish to kill Americans."

umm, i don't think that they wanted to kill you before you invaded their country. In fact, it sounds to me like YOU (meaning 'your army', you brave armchair warrior) want to kill THEM.

You can't therefore blame an Iraqi who says "My goal is to kill those who wish to kill Iraqis" can you? How are they any different from YOU?

Didn't Jesus say something about turning the other cheek? But then you are obviously not a Christian.
 
2004-05-20 11:25:14 AM  
Churnin Urn of Yearnin Curm

Why do you believe that "lefty liberals" have gone mad? Is it some sort of random maddening? Or is the president a religious nut who'd pissing away your economy and world standing?

Liberals aren't angry at the troops, moron. That's the biggest straw man ever, and it pisses me off. Just because Rush "Rattles when dancing" Limbaugh says so don't make it true. They're angry at the rich fat farks in DC who decided that people should die for not very noble reasons.
 
2004-05-20 11:25:51 AM  
pippo
yeah, that america thing was a bad idea... just the most economically prosperous country in the world, battled the soviet union for 50 years, performs surveillance & military operations all over the world to watch everyone's back, has made its goal to spread democracy and freedom to the rest of the world, sends billions in foreign aid, please

Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk

amen. take a region with a bunch of tribal groups that all hate each other, draw a border, and put one of the groups in charge(hindus-muslims, hutus-tutsis, sunni-shiite). brilliant!
civil war ensues...
 
2004-05-20 11:27:23 AM  
 
2004-05-20 11:27:35 AM  
Nowadays it's FUD for oil.
 
2004-05-20 11:29:40 AM  
I'm shocked that this story has resulted in a flamewar on fark. SHOCKED!
 
2004-05-20 11:30:29 AM  
yeah, that america thing was a bad idea... just the most economically prosperous country in the world

Not for long, and possibly not even now.

battled the soviet union for 50 years

All on its own?

performs surveillance & military operations all over the world to watch everyone's back

Hahahahahahaha. Are you here alll week?

has made its goal to spread democracy and freedom to the rest of the world

One muslim life at a time, apparently.

sends billions in foreign aid

Kills millions through pollution, war, trade agreements, etc etc. And 6 billion a year to Israel hardly convinces me of your largesse.
 
2004-05-20 11:30:45 AM  
When I'm at my safehouse, I always make sure me and my friends are shooting into the air when there are US planes flying nearby. That's the best way for us to be safe.

IT WAS A WEDDING, PERIOD.
 
2004-05-20 11:30:55 AM  
Its quiet clear that Churnin Urn of Burnin'Hate just want arabs dead. Zeig Heil my friend! When do you ship out?

/Godwin goodness
 
2004-05-20 11:31:54 AM  
Since when was it a staple of conservativism to believe anything the government says? Be skeptical of BOTH stories, people.
 
2004-05-20 11:32:09 AM  
Firefly4F4:
How can firing guns into the air be "a tradition."


as simply as it can be a tradition to launch explosives up in the air to commemorate a nation's independence.

why is the auto-vs.-single shot issue even an issue?

you are correct that it is dangerous...on average since 1980, 3 people die every year in the LA metro area from bullets coming back down.

Lots of traditions are stupid if you look at them from that perspective. Think about it.
 
2004-05-20 11:32:26 AM  


It was us or them. WE were only following orders.
 
2004-05-20 11:33:00 AM  
laxr15 - "yeah, that america thing was a bad idea... just the most economically prosperous country in the world, battled the soviet union for 50 years, performs surveillance & military operations all over the world to watch everyone's back, has made its goal to spread democracy and freedom to the rest of the world, sends billions in foreign aid, please"

BWA HA HA! *wipes eyes* Yeah, you killed that argument stone dead, man, congratulations. USA! USA! High-five! Whooo!
 
2004-05-20 11:33:09 AM  
pippo

They're angry at the rich fat farks in DC who decided that people should die for not very noble reasons.

John Kerry

rich - check
fat - ummm, nope
fark - check
in DC - check
Decided that people should die for not very noble reasons - check

/Anybody but Kerry or Bush
 
2004-05-20 11:33:26 AM  
I am totally against those who support the opinion of those who refute that it is wrong to be assisting the ones that condones anyone who doesn't agree that this innacurately illustrates that it is correct to be thinking that these lies are the truth in demonstrating that all this is irrelevant.

I defy you to deny that Killroy69 is not right.
 
2004-05-20 11:35:02 AM  
Well this is defiantly where selective air strikes get us. Why couldn't we have turned the whole country into glass from the beginning. This is a stupid war but the Islam nations have been asking for it for years.
 
2004-05-20 11:35:19 AM  
I trust nobody at this point. The USA needs a new pair of shoes.
 
2004-05-20 11:36:41 AM  
WeTheSheeple,

Im voting for someone other than Kerry or Bush. Woohoo, there will be 2 of us.

Havent voted for a Rep or Dem for Prez since 88. Regret that one. "Read me lips" - fark you.

Apologies to Ron Paul for screwing up my vote.
 
2004-05-20 11:36:46 AM  
/Anybody but Kerry or Bush

so, voting for Nader again, eh?
 
2004-05-20 11:37:38 AM  
I just find it funny (in a non haha kindah way) that G.W.B. could chastise Israel for shelling a non-violent protest the same day that this happens.

Yeah, kinda like France invading the Ivory Coast while simultaneously chastising us for heading toward war without an infinite stack of UN resolutions.

The tradition probably doesn't come with the blessing of safety inspectors world wide. But it exists non the less.

Yeah, well, much like the tradition of grabbing anyone who looks a little different and beheading them, this is one tradition that one would be wise to hold off on performing whilst there are heavily armed guys flying around, trying to keep the peace and getting a little twitchy on the trigger cause of all the Baby Milk Factories that suddenly seem to sprout bomb-throwing anarchists. Oh, wait, wrong century - change that last part to bomb-driving nutjobs.
 
2004-05-20 11:38:40 AM  
Man, this is like deja vu all over again.

It was a wedding, it was a safehouse, it was traditional celebratory gunfire, we were under attack.

Hypothetical question: OBL is attending a wedding with lots of children present. We should......?
 
2004-05-20 11:40:46 AM  
Yeah, kinda like France invading the Ivory Coast while simultaneously chastising us for heading toward war without an infinite stack of UN resolutions.

you know, it was a while ago, but I seem to remember that French troops entered the Ivory Coast to extract foreign citizens ONLY. It wasn't an invasion more than it was a ceasefire to let them get out.
 
2004-05-20 11:41:32 AM  
seamonster - OBL is at a wedding we should...

... take him alive and put him on trial, obviously.

Cue the drooling simpletons who want him and anyone standing near him killed...
 
2004-05-20 11:41:51 AM  
I would fully support a constitutional amendment banning terrorist marriages.
 
2004-05-20 11:42:29 AM  
hello, pippo

I presume you mean ICRC, not IRC. Bit different.

yes, typo, my bad.

I know there are attacks, but I also know that UK soldiers patrol in berets, and there hasn't been one killed for weeks now.

true, but I think my point is that patrolling the streets of Basra is fundamentally safer than patrolling Fallujah. The former's population is primarily Shiite, support al-Sistani (who in turn supports the US), and practically bereft of former Baathists. Fallujah, for example, is largely Sunni with a al-Sadr supporting Shiite minority, and has a large percentage of "old-Iraq enthusiasts", shall we say. I'm just saying you should factor in the demographic splits in the regions.

The areas not under US control are more peaceful because the US has no concept of restraint.

I'm not sayign that there have been some definite problems in the methods applied by US troops to maintain order...see above comment though.

UK generals describe it as "Kill, Kill, Kill again. Then Kill on the way out. Then maybe ask questions" (quote from newspaper over here).

I see...is that his professional opinion? Never heard of Brits and Yanks working together in military operations taking verbal pot-shots at each other :P
 
2004-05-20 11:44:11 AM  
laxr15
has made its goal to spread democracy and freedom to the rest of the world

Except the freedom of self-determination, and the freedom of sovereignty clearly.
 
2004-05-20 11:44:56 AM  
Well that settles it. Everybody knows the US military never lies. What more do we need? To hear it from Rumsfeld himself?
 
2004-05-20 11:45:38 AM  
What is this "trial" thing of which you speak?
 
2004-05-20 11:46:19 AM  
willywanka - "I see...is that his professional opinion? Never heard of Brits and Yanks working together in military operations taking verbal pot-shots at each other :P"

Usually, they don't, but this time... all bets are off. They're really not happy about it. Pippa's quote is legit, I just forget where it's from.
 
2004-05-20 11:47:35 AM  
Maybe it was a wedding...

Maybe it was a safehouse...

Truth is, it don't matter.... changes nothing.

Just give us the dam oil!
 
2004-05-20 11:48:16 AM  
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk

Some people care more about everyone else but their own people, who they trash on a daily basis for nothing more than political reasons. I'd say that they don't understand the fog of war, but their history says otherwise.

I can't tell you how many times we were in suspect engagements in Bosnia, and not a peep was issued by the leftists, in the US at least.

Clinton was President, that's why. Then, nothing ever went wrong. Now, everything is always wrong. That's why many here have zero credibility.

If the handwringers wish to be critical, they should at least be consistant.


Talk to Rush Limbaugh first, will you?

Here's what HE had to say about Kosovo:

This is the 4th country that Bill Clinton has bombed in the last 7 months.

If the "something" we do is more destructive... is it the right thing to do? For example, Milosevic is now more popular!

By bombing Clinton is hurting the people we're trying to help!

Clinton has to destroy the village to save it.

A civil war DOES NOT pose a national security threat.
 
2004-05-20 11:49:31 AM  
In other news, 2 more US soldiers were killed, raising to 53 the number of US casualties this month. Total US casualties stand at 794 thus far.

One 1st ID Soldier Killed and One Wounded by IED

US soldier killed, 3 wounded in grenade attack in Baghdad
 
2004-05-20 11:51:00 AM  
pippo
no, they did not fight the soviets alone, but while europe was destroyed after WWII, america sent billions to rebuild germany, france, england, and others. had we not helped to rebuild those countries, they would have likely fallen to the soviets as well.

regarding the intelligence & military thing. hell of a comeback, btw. we currently have 30,000 troops in south korea, and the korean war ended 40 years ago. why? to keep an eye on the soviets during the cold war, and china and north korea now so we aren't caught off guard if anything ever happens. what do you think the US will do with iraq? i'd bet the same damn thing to monitor terrorist activity in the future. we'll reduce our force significantly over time, but something will still be there. yes, those operations support US interests, but they also support the interests of the countries nearby.
 
2004-05-20 11:51:32 AM  
2004-05-20 11:20:30 AM FooDog

Omega Ohm:
The tradition probably doesn't come with the blessing of safety inspectors world wide. But it exists non the less. Even in the states. A few months ago some claner managed to pop one of his buddies w/ a falling bullet at a cross burning...



Guess we Americans just expect more from Iraqi citizens than we do our own.

Afterall, we're spending billions of $$$ and countless lives in this war to bring peace. Spending billions of $$$ and countless lives in this occupation to bring freedom. Spending billions of $$$ and countless lives selecting their new leadership to bring democracy. They ae compromising our efforts by celebrating a union of two lives with gunfire. We could use a little less contradictory behavior and more civilized cooperation.
 
2004-05-20 11:51:40 AM  
Don't mind me, I'm just here to see the cute animal pictures, as this thread will neither prove, nor settle anything.
Anyone up for a round of bingo? Maybe an audio edit?

 
2004-05-20 11:52:23 AM  
I knew trying this 9.99 RandyRick's Trollcoal wouldn't get the job done.

Should have went with the Churnin Urnin's again...

/flips steak
 
2004-05-20 11:54:39 AM  
2004-05-20 10:06:43 AM jay_vee

occupied or not, its still pretty much a warzone... and dont they have a curfew there anyway?
 
2004-05-20 11:55:11 AM  
This whole sorry affair simply underscores how useless these flame wars are. Was it a safe house? Were they insurgents? Was a wedding party involved?

How the fark would I know. And why do you think you know more than I do? Unless you were there, of course. Then you might.
 
2004-05-20 11:55:37 AM  
voodoochild: Afterall, we're spending billions of $$$ and countless lives in this war to bring peace.

If I ever needed proof that Orwell knew exactly what he was talking about it, you just provided a shining example.
 
2004-05-20 11:56:12 AM  
laxr15 - "no, they did not fight the soviets alone, but while europe was destroyed after WWII, america sent billions to rebuild germany, france, england, and others. had we not helped to rebuild those countries, they would have likely fallen to the soviets as well."

Fascinating. Tell me, what colour is the sky on your planet?

The people of England thank you, America, for saving us during WW2 and rebuilding us to save us from the commies. And we really mean it.

PS - shut up, laxr15, you utter cock.
 
2004-05-20 11:56:24 AM  
Next headline:

Pseudo-journalistic "40 killed in wedding party" story was covered in the anti-pseudo-journalistic LA Times.

http://www.paknews.com/headingNews.php?id=2696&date1=2004-05-08
 
2004-05-20 11:58:06 AM  
Oh come on laxr15, do you seriously believe all that "the ruskies were gonna get us" crap?
 
2004-05-20 11:59:19 AM  
"eraser8,
The US military says one thing; Iraqi authorities say another."

Eraser8!
there are no Iraqi Authorities. There are enemy spokesmen and reporters acting as attorneys counseling this miserable farks on how to spin it to make the USA look bad. We are there to rebuild their sorryassed piece of shiat country so it will be something the other sorryassed piece of shiat countries surrounding it will have to aspire to. Go ahead tear that down. seems like that's all liberals are good for.
 
2004-05-20 12:00:48 PM  
laxr15:- And what about that "aid" claim you made? Per capita, the USA's aid contribution is abysmal. The USA gives less in foreign aid as a percentage of their Gross National Product than any industrailised country.
 
2004-05-20 12:02:09 PM  
"Shut........UP
The Iraquis have pictures of decapitated five-year-olds."

I have pictures of some dude standing on the WTC with a plane headed for it.

Where do I collect my prize?

I swear, liberals are indistiguishable from the enemy. go ahead, follow fat ted and fat m moore down the path to complete irrelevance.
 
2004-05-20 12:02:29 PM  
/not anti-American, just anti-misplaced-jingoism
 
2004-05-20 12:03:49 PM  
In a situation such as this, where the target could be either a houseful of terrorists or a houseful of women and children, I think the big brave heavily armed US troops should go in on foot and assess the situation from the ground. This sterile, cowardly, bomb everything and everybody approach is killing way too many innocent people.
 
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