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(NPR)   24 Coptic Christians killed in Minya, Egypt in what authorities are calling the largest attack on the community since last month   ( npr.org) divider line
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2017-05-26 07:51:16 AM  
Isn't this how the crusades started?
 
2017-05-26 07:53:51 AM  

McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?


I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.
 
2017-05-26 07:54:25 AM  
Wait, there are Christians over there? When did that happen? Does the President know about this?
 
2017-05-26 07:54:47 AM  
Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad
 
2017-05-26 07:55:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Wait, there are Christians over there?


For now...
 
2017-05-26 07:56:39 AM  
The piece on NPR said they don't mind Christians, just the church. And any gatherings.

WTF.
 
2017-05-26 07:57:29 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad


Actually, I'm pretty sure the "Arab Spring" and the chaos that's ensued since occurred spontaneously -- and certainly before Trump was inaugurated in January.
 
2017-05-26 08:02:07 AM  
Well, Minya isn't that big.

vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2017-05-26 08:02:28 AM  
Christians really can't safely exist in many of the Middle East countries any more. It's a relatively quiet genocide.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/war-terro​r​ism-and-the-christian-exodus-from-the-middle-east/amp
 
2017-05-26 08:04:12 AM  

jshine: Farking Clown Shoes: Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad

Actually, I'm pretty sure the "Arab Spring" and the chaos that's ensued since occurred spontaneously -- and certainly before Trump was inaugurated in January.


Five days ago...

Trumpy's never met a dictator he didn't like.
 
2017-05-26 08:04:42 AM  
Is Ariana Grande OK?
 
2017-05-26 08:09:31 AM  

jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.


Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.
 
2017-05-26 08:09:33 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Christians really can't safely exist in many of the Middle East countries any more. It's a relatively quiet genocide.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/war-terror​ism-and-the-christian-exodus-from-the-middle-east/amp


Well, it has to be because it's being done by a Religion of Peace
 
2017-05-26 08:11:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Wait, there are Christians over there? When did that happen? Does the President know about this?


They're the wrong kind of Christians: nonwhite.
 
2017-05-26 08:13:19 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Wait, there are Christians over there? When did that happen? Does the President know about this?


Well see, he would have included it in the Muslim ban, but Egypt contains Trump business interests, so obviously there's no terror threat in Egypt.
 
2017-05-26 08:17:02 AM  

jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.


They're even not done canonizing all the slavers and warlords from last time.
 
2017-05-26 08:20:45 AM  
Religion of pieces of your flesh.
 
2017-05-26 08:26:42 AM  
Not saying anyone should burn down 24 mosques in Minya, but a bacon grease fire molotov middle of the night when said buildings are empty would probably do the job.
 
2017-05-26 08:28:16 AM  

Lifeless: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

They're even not done canonizing all the slavers and warlords from last time.


1.bp.blogspot.com

What cannonizing slavers and warlords might look like.
 
2017-05-26 08:28:39 AM  
Well, thank the maker, trump united the Muslim world!
 
2017-05-26 08:30:06 AM  

b0rg9: Is Ariana Grande OK?


No, she sucks.
 
2017-05-26 08:35:30 AM  

Lifeless: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

They're even not done canonizing all the slavers and warlords from last time.


Well, not to worry: Islamists killing 24 Coptic Christians in 2017 is really going to stigit to Pope Urban II in 1095.
 
2017-05-26 08:35:44 AM  
Triggered.
 
2017-05-26 08:37:05 AM  

dittybopper: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.


The Muslim conquest kicked out everybody, how could they persecute people that were not there.  The crusades were to retake the Holy Land.
 
2017-05-26 08:38:43 AM  

dittybopper: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.


You're surprisingly bad at military history.
 
2017-05-26 08:38:44 AM  
Another attack on peaceful believers. WHEN WILL THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY END!?
 
2017-05-26 08:40:26 AM  

Jake Havechek: dittybopper: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.

The Muslim conquest kicked out everybody, how could they persecute people that were not there.  The crusades were to retake the Holy Land.


"Evicting" could well be interpreted as "persecuting" -- I think you're getting into the weeds of semantics. Imagine if some new armed group came through your neighborhood and forced all the [ethnic or religious group] to leave or be killed.  I think that could reasonably be described as "persecution."
 
2017-05-26 08:40:36 AM  

dittybopper: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.


Yes, it's the same kind of nonsense that started WWI: a local tragedy is used as an excuse for imperialists to get their dicks out and cause the deaths of far more innocents than the initial tragedy.  See also: Golf of Tonkin -> Vietnam, 9/11 -> Iraq War, Ukrainian protests -> Annexation of Crimea
 
2017-05-26 08:43:49 AM  
Ramadan coming, better murder
 
2017-05-26 08:44:43 AM  

deanis: Another attack on peaceful believers. WHEN WILL THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY END!?


TFA is about a bus full of civilians that was attacked on the way to a monastery.  I get that being snarky and sarcastic on the internet makes a person feel smart, but if mocking the "war on Christianity" is what you're after, then this isn't really the story you're looking for. Since it actually is a violent & unproved attack on Christians, the sarcasm doesn't really work...

/ and given that they're Egyptian Coptic Christians, conflating the victims with intolerant evangelical American Christians won't work either
 
2017-05-26 08:58:32 AM  
They killed almost as many people as there are letters in the Copt alphabet.

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2017-05-26 08:58:48 AM  

dittybopper: jshine: McDougal: Isn't this how the crusades started?

I think those involved the Pope, and the modern papacy has no real authority to call for war.

Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.


I think it was originally more about responding to an appeal for help from the Byzantine Emperor at the time, and it was only after the Pope called the crusade that it turned into a "let's reconquer the Holy Land" deal.

And it was nearly a thousand years ago, with the Papcy being the only surviving political entity from those times, so it's not really relevant to today's world.
 
2017-05-26 09:00:06 AM  
jshine: "Evicting" could well be interpreted as "persecuting" -- I think you're getting into the weeds of semantics. Imagine if some new armed group came through your neighborhood and forced all the [ethnic or religious group] to leave or be killed.  I think that could reasonably be described as "persecution."

Huh, tell that to Palestinian deniers.
 
2017-05-26 09:13:12 AM  
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too


Sorry John, people will always find a reason to kill each other.
 
2017-05-26 09:13:14 AM  

Persnickety: Yes, it's the same kind of nonsense that started WWI: a local tragedy is used as an excuse for imperialists to get their dicks out and cause the deaths of far more innocents than the initial tragedy.


The Crusades came about because Western and Eastern Europe had more or less continuously been at war with encroaching Islamic empires for 300 years. With a sudden cessation of numerous intra-European wars, a bunch of nations suddenly could start looking outward and found themselves with a troublesome number of mercenaries running around. It's like they could kill three birds with one stone.
 
2017-05-26 09:14:10 AM  

DubyaHater: Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Sorry John, people will always find a reason to kill each other.


This is the rich guy who beat up a bunch of girlfriends and abandoned his kid, right? Talking about peace and the uselessness of money.
 
2017-05-26 09:17:52 AM  

tical: jshine: "Evicting" could well be interpreted as "persecuting" -- I think you're getting into the weeds of semantics. Imagine if some new armed group came through your neighborhood and forced all the [ethnic or religious group] to leave or be killed.  I think that could reasonably be described as "persecution."

Huh, tell that to Palestinian deniers.


so, uh, what is a palestinian denier?
 
2017-05-26 09:18:11 AM  
This is a sad day. How many of those Coptics on board that bus were in Cairo locking arms to protect the people who were protesting when shiat went down a couple years back?
 
2017-05-26 09:23:38 AM  

dr_blasto: tical: jshine: "Evicting" could well be interpreted as "persecuting" -- I think you're getting into the weeds of semantics. Imagine if some new armed group came through your neighborhood and forced all the [ethnic or religious group] to leave or be killed.  I think that could reasonably be described as "persecution."

Huh, tell that to Palestinian deniers.

so, uh, what is a palestinian denier?


Something imaginary. Much like "Palestine".
 
2017-05-26 09:33:26 AM  
being raised by an evangelical preacher and having heard other evangelicals... Coptic and them Catholics are not Christian.  The Jews killed Jesus and are only pawns to bring about our Evangelical Paradise with Republican Jesus as the head.

sinners, the lot of ya.
 
2017-05-26 09:51:00 AM  

dr_blasto: tical: jshine: "Evicting" could well be interpreted as "persecuting" -- I think you're getting into the weeds of semantics. Imagine if some new armed group came through your neighborhood and forced all the [ethnic or religious group] to leave or be killed.  I think that could reasonably be described as "persecution."

Huh, tell that to Palestinian deniers.

so, uh, what is a palestinian denier?


The Charlatanism of Palestine-Denial
 
2017-05-26 09:52:04 AM  

dittybopper: Well, to be completely fair, the only reason that crusades were called for in the first place is that the Muslims who had captured and controlled the Holy Land by force, after a relatively long period of tolerance to other religions, started to persecute Christians.

Had they maintained that tolerance, there wouldn't have been any Crusades.


Citation needed :) :) :)

My bullshiat detector thinks this sounds like classic whitewashing (Europewashing?) of history but hey, maybe you're right!
 
2017-05-26 09:54:12 AM  
Sounds like they're in the same position that we are. Senior Muslim clerics have condemned the attack.
 
2017-05-26 09:54:28 AM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: so, uh, what is a palestinian denier?

Something imaginary. Much like "Palestine".


Well, this is going to be a kind and respectful debate.

/eyeroll
 
2017-05-26 09:58:01 AM  

jshine: Farking Clown Shoes: Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad

Actually, I'm pretty sure the "Arab Spring" and the chaos that's ensued since occurred spontaneously -- and certainly before Trump was inaugurated in January.


Arab Spring happened before Obama's second term, so yeah...
 
2017-05-26 09:58:53 AM  

AdamK: jshine: Farking Clown Shoes: Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad

Actually, I'm pretty sure the "Arab Spring" and the chaos that's ensued since occurred spontaneously -- and certainly before Trump was inaugurated in January.

Arab Spring happened before Obama's second term, so yeah...


Wasn't really spontaneous either... triggered by failed crops and food shortages, no?
 
2017-05-26 10:04:01 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Good thing Trumpy's favorite local dictator is keeping the peace over there, huh?

/Haz a sad


The president of Egypt is Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. It's not President Haz a Sad. Geez, learn your world leaders.
 
2017-05-26 10:11:00 AM  

This text is now purple: DubyaHater: Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Sorry John, people will always find a reason to kill each other.

This is the rich guy who beat up a bunch of girlfriends and abandoned his kid, right? Talking about peace and the uselessness of money.


Always remember, the Beatles sang "All You Need is Love" and then they broke up.
 
2017-05-26 10:17:14 AM  
All of us must denounce these murders and renounce violence as a means of achieving our ends.

Have any of you young people read the novels of Laurance Durrell? I know that fiction is only an approximation of the world, but often the official history that we're taught isn't much more. Copts have lived in Egypt literally since the beginning of the Christian religion. During much of that time there was tolerance, uneasy tolerance, but nevertheless tolerance in Egypt. In Egypt there was a diverse community of Muslims of various factions, Coptic and other Christians, Turks, Jews, and Europeans at one time. One of Durrell's characters is a Copt who states that the British colonizers used a divide and conquer strategy to rule Egypt and strengthened the more radical Islamists to do so. Is some of the radicalism of the Middle East partly attributable to outsiders, or are they just craycray crazy?
 
2017-05-26 10:21:34 AM  

This text is now purple: DubyaHater: Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Sorry John, people will always find a reason to kill each other.

This is the rich guy who beat up a bunch of girlfriends and abandoned his kid, right? Talking about peace and the uselessness of money.


Man, he was mean but he's changing his scene.  And he's doing the best that he can.
 
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