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(Laughing Squid)   Ever wonder where "goths" came from, what they do, and what exactly it is they are trying to say to the world? Yeah, me neither, but just in case you might be mildly curious, something called a "laughing squid" has the info   ( laughingsquid.com) divider line
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2017-05-19 10:17:55 AM  
I wish my lawn was goth.
 
2017-05-19 10:23:58 AM  
Horribly set up website.
 
2017-05-19 10:31:08 AM  
Ah, memories. It's the 90's sometime. A company my brother works for is trying an experiment to catalog the internet. They hire writers to review web pages and write a few good sentences about the page. Using the power of nepotism I get a part time job. It's all digital, work from home whenever I want after my regular job. It's piece work so I get paid per write-up accepted. Fun. Goth pages appear in my queue. I have absolutely no idea what this is, have never heard of Goths, there's no Google yet (this company is attempting to invent a Google). And this is the 90's so these are all Geocities like monstrosities. My sentences sometimes had more content than on the page itself. Lots of angsty, very bad poetry and art. I did learn that there was a sub-culture called "perky goths."

Good times. Good times. Unfortunately the business model of paying for a huge writer infrastructure was not sustainable and the company retrenched. If only I could remember the name of the company.

TLDR: Really boring story about the first encounter with Goth culture on the early internet.
 
2017-05-19 10:57:26 AM  
OH.   And here I thought Subby was talking about the Visigoths.
 
2017-05-19 11:59:24 AM  
Alaric was a shrewd leader that hastened the fall of the most modern and largest  civilization the world had ever seen, and helped kick off the Dark Ages, which became really dark after Byzantium fell about 200 years later.
 
2017-05-19 12:19:45 PM  
Many know that the word "Vandalism" comes from the Vandals, but did you know that that the word "Slave" comes from "Slav"?
 
2017-05-19 12:23:28 PM  
I came to make a smartass remark about Germanic tribes, and no fewer than three people beat me to it.  Fark, don't ever change.
 
2017-05-19 12:25:35 PM  
Just don't call them emos.
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2017-05-19 12:26:21 PM  

Jake Havechek: Alaric was a shrewd leader that hastened the fall of the most modern and largest  civilization the world had ever seen, and helped kick off the Dark Ages, which became really dark after Byzantium fell about 200 years later.


Byzantium fell almost 1000 years later. Less than that if you count the 4th Crusade, but that's still well over 200 years.

Anyway, are goths still a thing? I hope so. I like cute goth girls.
 
2017-05-19 12:26:33 PM  

Teaser: Just don't call them emos.
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or vampires
 
2017-05-19 12:26:38 PM  
Might have been interesting, but it's a damn video.
 
2017-05-19 12:27:19 PM  

LadySusan: Ah, memories. It's the 90's sometime. A company my brother works for is trying an experiment to catalog the internet. They hire writers to review web pages and write a few good sentences about the page. Using the power of nepotism I get a part time job. It's all digital, work from home whenever I want after my regular job. It's piece work so I get paid per write-up accepted. Fun. Goth pages appear in my queue. I have absolutely no idea what this is, have never heard of Goths, there's no Google yet (this company is attempting to invent a Google). And this is the 90's so these are all Geocities like monstrosities. My sentences sometimes had more content than on the page itself. Lots of angsty, very bad poetry and art. I did learn that there was a sub-culture called "perky goths."

Good times. Good times. Unfortunately the business model of paying for a huge writer infrastructure was not sustainable and the company retrenched. If only I could remember the name of the company.

TLDR: Really boring story about the first encounter with Goth culture on the early internet.


Not surprisingly I'm pretty entrenched in that scene. My wife is goth, and we have a "perky goth" friend. I was goth back in the 90's for a short time, until I realized that most goths carry around a drama cloud that perpetually rains, and frequently thunderstorms. I still love the music, I still frequent the clubs (what's left of them anyway) but I'm done with the "culture". If I go out I might still throw on my black kilt and combat boots though...
 
2017-05-19 12:27:39 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:28:21 PM  

ifky: Teaser: Just don't call them emos.
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or vampires


I know quite a few goths that would be happy to be called vampires...
 
2017-05-19 12:29:05 PM  
The original:
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2017-05-19 12:30:18 PM  
I prefer more Stephen Fry in my explanations.

QI | What's Gothic About The Goths?
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2017-05-19 12:30:28 PM  
I didn't watch the video, but back in the mid-'80s, I think we used to call them "posers" (or poseurs if you wish). Not the Visigoths mind you (we called those guys "Goths"), but the people who hung out around the coffee shop in black clothing with piercings, make-up, and funky hair.
 
2017-05-19 12:30:40 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:30:50 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: [img.fark.net image 236x168]


I can't figure out if degreese is a misspelling of something I want from my dish soap or a way to get rid of large waterfowl.
 
2017-05-19 12:34:10 PM  
Embracing and accepting the dark parts of the human condition has a long and storied history. Dressing up like a silly person is optional.
 
2017-05-19 12:34:31 PM  

cman: Many know that the word "Vandalism" comes from the Vandals, but did you know that that the word "Slave" comes from "Slav"?


Goths are Germanic, Slavs are, well, Slavic.  Also, the word uranium comes from Uranus.
 
2017-05-19 12:34:36 PM  

optional: Jake Havechek: Alaric was a shrewd leader that hastened the fall of the most modern and largest  civilization the world had ever seen, and helped kick off the Dark Ages, which became really dark after Byzantium fell about 200 years later.

Byzantium fell almost 1000 years later. Less than that if you count the 4th Crusade, but that's still well over 200 years.

Anyway, are goths still a thing? I hope so. I like cute goth girls.


The term has been watered down long enough to be essentially meaninglessness as a social grouping.
 
2017-05-19 12:35:22 PM  
CSB:

I used to dj a goth night on Tuesday nights, it was actually a lot of fun and for the most part had really great music (it was almost entirely driven by requests due to how musically educated and picky the crowd was).

There was one guy who we called King of the Goths, all the goth chicks totally fawned over him and he was a right dick to me all the time - this dude had a sword and would "dance" with it doing weird over dramatic sword play (in hindsight, I have no farking clue why the bouncers would let him in with it).

Anyway, he would scoff at me if I didn't know a song that he was requesting and would totally scowl and had no problem talking me down if I succumbed to a request that he would have considered mainstream... just basically always a right asshole to me and the other staff.

Well, one day me and a buddy are downtown and we head in to subway to grab a sandwich to go with our harbor side beers and low and behold, King of the Goths is a farking sandwich artist.

Oh yeah, we gave him the gears to the point he looked like he was going to cry and he never gave me shiat again at the bar.

I knew your secret, Sandwich Goth.

/CSB
 
2017-05-19 12:36:13 PM  

raerae1980: OH.   And here I thought Subby was talking about the Visigoths.


I always figured Visigoths were more punk than gothic. It explains their tendency to hit mailboxes with baseball bats:

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2017-05-19 12:36:30 PM  

phalamir: cman: Many know that the word "Vandalism" comes from the Vandals, but did you know that that the word "Slave" comes from "Slav"?

Goths are Germanic, Slavs are, well, Slavic.  Also, the word uranium comes from Uranus.


I didnt say the Slavs were Germanic.
 
2017-05-19 12:37:15 PM  
CSB: Subby, this site's my friend Rusty's outfit. Yay.
 
2017-05-19 12:37:27 PM  
I consider the end of Justinian's reign to be the end of Roman influence in that area.
 
2017-05-19 12:37:39 PM  

bacchanalias and consequences: Embracing and accepting the dark parts of the human condition has a long and storied history. Dressing up like a silly person is optional.


Dressing up like a silly person to embrace and accept the dark parts of the human condition has been around since the 500s BCE - at least in Greece.
 
2017-05-19 12:37:51 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:37:54 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:38:48 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: raerae1980: OH.   And here I thought Subby was talking about the Visigoths.

I always figured Visigoths were more punk than gothic. It explains their tendency to hit mailboxes with baseball bats:

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Yeah, I figure the initial wave of Goths would have been more into the Ramones than the Cure.
 
2017-05-19 12:39:28 PM  
Oh yeah, we gave him the gears to the point he looked like he was going to cry and he never gave me shiat again at the bar.

I knew your secret, Sandwich Goth.

/CSB


Effing hell. This sounds like the Limelight/Slimelight or you were spinning at Pyramid.
 
2017-05-19 12:40:01 PM  
They're only connected through the word "gothic".
 
2017-05-19 12:40:05 PM  

raerae1980: OH.   And here I thought Subby was talking about the Visigoths.


It took Alaric I three tries to pillage Rome, because he didn't want to use the Tiber.

It was too mainstream.
 
2017-05-19 12:40:45 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:41:32 PM  

BumpInTheNight


I wish my lawn was goth.


And by 'goth' you mean 'emo', Jokey McJokebreaker.

Also, you should have used 'were' instead of 'was'. The subjunctive is there for a reason, people!
 
2017-05-19 12:41:49 PM  
Goth subculture rose out of post-punk, when Siouxsie Sioux grew her hair out and started wearing all the black lacy stuff.

The Cure don't consider themselves a goth band, just a band.
 
2017-05-19 12:45:09 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: And by 'goth' you mean 'emo',


No... black does not mean emo.
 
2017-05-19 12:45:33 PM  

cman: Many know that the word "Vandalism" comes from the Vandals, but did you know that that the word "Slave" comes from "Slav"?


Or that the original 'Juggalos' were known for producing the finest earthernware jugs in the ancient Mediterranean?
 
2017-05-19 12:47:39 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: ifky: Teaser: Just don't call them emos.
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or vampires

I know quite a few goths that would be happy to be called vampires...


Then they're not goths. They're vampires.

I was postpunk in the early 80s. The mainstream called us gothic rockers, then goths. We accepted it, but didn't embrace it until the mid-late 80s. By 1989, the people who were self-describing as "goth" were mostly preppies jumping onto the trend by purchasing pre-made gothy clothes and screaming about how they love that one Cure album they heard on MTV.

This is why I say the actual goth subculture died around 1989-1992. What followed were mall goths, vampires, emos, and other offshoots who still used the goth label, but held none of our original subculture's ideals. In the late 80s, it became more important to be gothier-than-thou than it was to be original, artistic, and expressive. In the beginning, most of us were artists, poets, writers, musicians, and intellectuals who just happened to like postpunk music and classic horror movies and novels. By the end, it was more about being an extreme attention whore, and that's when most of us parted from the new version of goth branding.

Young goths today aren't really goths in the same way that young hippies today aren't really hippies. Without the historical backdrop and the factors which propelled the subculture, it's all just dress-up and nostalgia.

As for me, I've gone back to saying I was postpunk, because that's what we really were, at the root, and the whole "goth" label was never anything we asked for. It was probably a mistake for us to embrace it at all, but at the time it sounded kind of cool so we just accepted it. In retrospect, it was that label- not the subculture itself- that invited the outsiders to get a Hot Topic makeover and then claim membership in our subculture even though they truly had nothing in common with us.

Nowadays, I'm just old either way, so I give up. Let the kids call themselves goth if they want. They made it their own shallow, fashion-oriented cliche and they're welcome to it.
 
2017-05-19 12:48:50 PM  

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Englebert Slaptyback: And by 'goth' you mean 'emo',

No... black does not mean emo.


o_O

In the context of the joke that whatshisface mangled - which is the context applicable here - yes, he *did* mean emo.


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2017-05-19 12:49:01 PM  
Siouxsie is also a very nice person, I had the pleasure to meet her and Budgie once, before a Creatures show.
 
2017-05-19 12:50:15 PM  

phalamir: bacchanalias and consequences: Embracing and accepting the dark parts of the human condition has a long and storied history. Dressing up like a silly person is optional.

Dressing up like a silly person to embrace and accept the dark parts of the human condition has been around since the 500s BCE - at least in Greece.


I don't doubt it. I would guess that was on a stage, though.
 
2017-05-19 12:51:06 PM  
I mean... no?

Everyone who is older than 20 or so (and a good chunk of those younger) already know this.  It was the name of a germanic tribe, it got appropriated as the name for a style of rock music when germanic tribe references was the fad for naming rock bands with pretensions of becoming genres, and then it started being used to refer to fans of the music instead of the music itself, and eventually their style when the genre ended up not being good enough to last beyond a half-decade or so.

Not really an unusual way for a fashion trend to be named, a lot of them are mediated throgh music fandoms.  Punk, ska, etc.
 
2017-05-19 12:51:15 PM  

Salmon: CSB:

I used to dj a goth night on Tuesday nights, it was actually a lot of fun and for the most part had really great music (it was almost entirely driven by requests due to how musically educated and picky the crowd was).

There was one guy who we called King of the Goths, all the goth chicks totally fawned over him and he was a right dick to me all the time - this dude had a sword and would "dance" with it doing weird over dramatic sword play (in hindsight, I have no farking clue why the bouncers would let him in with it).

Anyway, he would scoff at me if I didn't know a song that he was requesting and would totally scowl and had no problem talking me down if I succumbed to a request that he would have considered mainstream... just basically always a right asshole to me and the other staff.

Well, one day me and a buddy are downtown and we head in to subway to grab a sandwich to go with our harbor side beers and low and behold, King of the Goths is a farking sandwich artist.

Oh yeah, we gave him the gears to the point he looked like he was going to cry and he never gave me shiat again at the bar.

I knew your secret, Sandwich Goth.

/CSB


Sandwich Goth. This has cache.
 
2017-05-19 12:51:39 PM  
WilderKWight:

At least the kids today are better off since people like us helped pave the way.  In small town America, having dyed or colored hair and dressing in all black, you were potentially risking a beat down whenever you left the house.
 
2017-05-19 12:52:35 PM  
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2017-05-19 12:52:51 PM  
I am curious, but not enough to watch a video.
 
2017-05-19 12:55:15 PM  
Plus I find the South Park Goths hilarious.

"Well, I'm not going to conform to your nonconformity and join the dance troupe"

"We just got goth served"
 
2017-05-19 12:56:06 PM  

Jake Havechek: Goth subculture rose out of post-punk, when Siouxsie Sioux grew her hair out and started wearing all the black lacy stuff.

The Cure don't consider themselves a goth band, just a band.


Yeah, I went to HS in the late 80's and it was kids who were into the Cure and other similar music.  They wore all black and some fashion cues from the punk scene.  I don't recall any specific term for them except ...kids who are into "New Wave" or "alternative".  I would assume goth type stuff originated in the 80's - just wasn't called "goth" back then.
 
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