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(The Age (Melbourne))   Sweden drops the Julian Assange investigation. We now take you live to Admiral Ackbar for comment   ( theage.com.au) divider line
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2017-05-19 10:14:59 AM  
The walking persecution complex escapes prosecution
 
2017-05-19 11:31:42 AM  
The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...
 
2017-05-19 11:51:20 AM  

dougermouse: The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...


Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged.  Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat.  It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.
 
2017-05-19 12:00:39 PM  
What I think is that this will allow is him to escape.  With Sweden withdrawing the warrant, the Brits have no reason to arrest him because as far as anyone knows publicly, there is no US warrant for his arrest.

The problem is that the US isn't particularly interested in following the law to get the people they want.  Look at what they did when there was a rumor that Edward Snowden was on the President of Bolivia's aircraft:  They strong-armed NATO allies into closing their airspace, forcing the plane to land in Austria, where it was searched.
 
2017-05-19 12:13:28 PM  

dittybopper: What I think is that this will allow is him to escape.  With Sweden withdrawing the warrant, the Brits have no reason to arrest him because as far as anyone knows publicly, there is no US warrant for his arrest.


He did skip out on bail, though... His [presumably former] supporters were forced to pay £93,500 when he sought asylum, so there might be some civil action at least.
 
2017-05-19 01:23:28 PM  
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2017-05-19 01:24:13 PM  

dittybopper: dougermouse: The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...

Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged.  Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat.  It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.


Trump loves Wikileaks.
 
2017-05-19 01:24:17 PM  
I know there is a US federal warrant for the John Doe author of "strobe".
He is going to the US for prosecution.
 
2017-05-19 01:25:31 PM  
My friends @ the CIA tell me this is all PUTINS GRAND GAME! AND SNOWDEN JUST GOT DEPORTED! TRACK HIM HERE:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL5212/d712da4

So Julian Assange is free to go to Ecuador... The REAL tragedy is now the leaker (Snowden) is going to be in CUSTODY soon!
 
MFK
2017-05-19 01:26:34 PM  
This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.
 
2017-05-19 01:28:40 PM  
Come on out! See, it's perfectly safe!
 
2017-05-19 01:29:04 PM  

x12779: My friends @ the CIA tell me this is all PUTINS GRAND GAME! AND SNOWDEN JUST GOT DEPORTED! TRACK HIM HERE:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AFL5212/d712da4

So Julian Assange is free to go to Ecuador... The REAL tragedy is now the leaker (Snowden) is going to be in CUSTODY soon!


dittybopper: What I think is that this will allow is him to escape.  With Sweden withdrawing the warrant, the Brits have no reason to arrest him because as far as anyone knows publicly, there is no US warrant for his arrest.

The problem is that the US isn't particularly interested in following the law to get the people they want.  Look at what they did when there was a rumor that Edward Snowden was on the President of Bolivia's aircraft:  They strong-armed NATO allies into closing their airspace, forcing the plane to land in Austria, where it was searched.


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2017-05-19 01:29:30 PM  
NPR said he missed a UK court date when he ducked into the embassy, and there is a British warrant (or whatever their equivalent is) for his arrest on the missed court date. London police plan to arrest him on that the second he leaves the embassy.
 
2017-05-19 01:30:49 PM  

dittybopper: dougermouse: The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...

Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged.  Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat.  It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.


This times infinity. Charges are bs. Assange is a hero and so is Snowden.

Manning was guilty and deserved prison, but not the sentence she received.

MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.


No, we are indebted to this guy. Governments around the world have been pulling shady stuff like clockwork on both the left and right and he provides a valuable tool for citizens all around the world to keep informed. Blame your party for being inept, corrupt, and picking bad candidates no one liked.
 
2017-05-19 01:33:21 PM  

Paris1127: dittybopper: What I think is that this will allow is him to escape.  With Sweden withdrawing the warrant, the Brits have no reason to arrest him because as far as anyone knows publicly, there is no US warrant for his arrest.

He did skip out on bail, though... His [presumably former] supporters were forced to pay £93,500 when he sought asylum, so there might be some civil action at least.


No. When you pay anyone's bail it's a safe bet you're not going to get that back. Somehow, I don't think any of his supporters are going to care.
 
2017-05-19 01:36:35 PM  
He'll still be arrested for violating his stay in England and deported back to Australia.
 
2017-05-19 01:39:05 PM  
So will the folks who called him a rapist be by to apologize ?
 
2017-05-19 01:40:23 PM  

MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.


He's a complete hypocritic attention seeker.

He claims to stand for morals and freedom of speech and all that, but he only publishes stuff that will give him the most attention.

He claims to stand for all that stuff yet he accepts and directly works with a dictatorship that cracks down on freedom of speech and controls all the info that gets released to the public.

If he actually stood for what he claimed and denounced Russia and refused to work with them because they will go as far as assisting journalists and dissenters I would actually respect him despite his Trump support....  But he doesn't.  He does what he does because he has an ego on par with Trump and sees attention.
Fark him.
 
2017-05-19 01:40:36 PM  
Thanks Trump!
 
2017-05-19 01:43:25 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: He'll still be arrested for violating his stay in England and deported back to Australia.


He won't risk that. Oz has extradition treaties with the countries in blue.

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2017-05-19 01:46:35 PM  

MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.


I don't think there is much acrimony for him, except in the USA. Tbh I get the feeling he's highly regarded and has lots of support.
 
2017-05-19 01:48:07 PM  

Stone Meadow: DrunkenIrishOD: He'll still be arrested for violating his stay in England and deported back to Australia.

He won't risk that. Oz has extradition treaties with the countries in blue.

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Not Canada? That seems like a bit of an oversight.
 
2017-05-19 01:48:51 PM  

HumanSVD: dittybopper: dougermouse: The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...

Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged.  Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat.  It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.

This times infinity. Charges are bs. Assange is a hero and so is Snowden.

Manning was guilty and deserved prison, but not the sentence she received.

MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.

No, we are indebted to this guy. Governments around the world have been pulling shady stuff like clockwork on both the left and right and he provides a valuable tool for citizens all around the world to keep informed. Blame your party for being inept, corrupt, and picking bad candidates no one liked.


Assange actively assisted governments doing shady shiat.
 
2017-05-19 01:49:14 PM  

kindms: So will the folks who called him a rapist be by to apologize ?


Sweden made very clear that this isn't about his guilt/innocence. This is about not being able to bring him to Sweden, therefore it's a dead end.
 
2017-05-19 01:50:04 PM  

dkulprit: MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.

He's a complete hypocritic attention seeker.

He claims to stand for morals and freedom of speech and all that, but he only publishes stuff that will give him the most attention.

He claims to stand for all that stuff yet he accepts and directly works with a dictatorship that cracks down on freedom of speech and controls all the info that gets released to the public.

If he actually stood for what he claimed and denounced Russia and refused to work with them because they will go as far as assisting journalists and dissenters I would actually respect him despite his Trump support....  But he doesn't.  He does what he does because he has an ego on par with Trump and sees attention.
Fark him.


Why Russia and only Russia?
 
2017-05-19 01:53:43 PM  
The irony is that he sealed himself up in a room smaller than a Swedish jail for years longer than he would've been convicted under for the charges against him. His Self-imprisonment has to be some sort of sweet justice for the Swedes.
 
2017-05-19 01:55:58 PM  

kindms: So will the folks who called him a rapist be by to apologize ?


Good luck with that. The new updated Assange talking points is that he's a Russian operative and he's entirely to blame for President Trump.

What rape allegations? Nobody cares about that shiat anymore.
 
2017-05-19 02:00:15 PM  
The general tone of this thread has 2 completely opposite points of view.

One says people like Snowden and Assange are traitors, liars, dangerous to the world, etc...  Because we should trust that our governments NEED to keep some things secret for the safety of everyone involved.

The other side says those same people are heroes because governments should not be keeping secrets of any kind from anyone, because they abuse that trust for their own gains.

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be outraged.  Because I agree with aspects of both points.
In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.
 
2017-05-19 02:00:18 PM  
How I imagine what will happen when Assange leaves the embassy:
Die Hard 2 - You're supposed to stay in your seat until the plane reaches the terminal
Youtube k-5OpiD64mY
 
2017-05-19 02:00:19 PM  
+1, subby.
 
2017-05-19 02:04:17 PM  
Either he stays holed up for the rest of his life or he comes out and faces the music. First to be arrested for skipping bail, second for the inevitable extradition request. I wouldn't be surprised if Ecuador shove him out the door to rid themselves of this problem.

Can't say he's been hard done by. Wikileaks might have started off as some naive activist thing but it has long turned into a Russian mouthpiece used to interfere with elections.
 
2017-05-19 02:04:44 PM  

durbnpoisn: The general tone of this thread has 2 completely opposite points of view.

One says people like Snowden and Assange are traitors, liars, dangerous to the world, etc...  Because we should trust that our governments NEED to keep some things secret for the safety of everyone involved.

The other side says those same people are heroes because governments should not be keeping secrets of any kind from anyone, because they abuse that trust for their own gains.

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be outraged.  Because I agree with aspects of both points.
In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.


I think the biggest issue with Assange is that he promotes himself as an unbiased source of journalism without allegiance to anyone, but took money from Russian State TV and has both released info to hurt Russia's enemies while not releasing information about Russian activities.  His motives have every right to be questioned.
 
2017-05-19 02:05:49 PM  
dkulprit:

He claims to stand for morals and freedom of speech and all that, but he only publishes stuff that will give him the most attention.

I hear this a lot, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.  Can you give examples of something he hasn't published because there wasn't enough publicity in it?
 
2017-05-19 02:06:48 PM  
If he was found guilty in Sweden, he would have had to submit to SDI/STI test and provide the results to the court so they could tell the women if she might have caught something.

What he did now has a name of "stealthing", maybe someone could call ditching the condom "Assanging" from now on?
 
2017-05-19 02:06:57 PM  

durbnpoisn: In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.


Welcome to Fark?
 
2017-05-19 02:07:53 PM  

dittybopper: Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged. Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat. It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.


Wrong. The US can and has extradited foreign nationals who've committed crimes within the jurisdiction of United States even if they happened to be on foreign soil when they did it.

It has happened to numerous hackers in the UK and there is no reason to suppose if the UK got a request to extradite Assange (pretty much a given) they'd sure as hell facilitate it.
 
2017-05-19 02:08:09 PM  
 
2017-05-19 02:08:23 PM  

TheBigJerk: HumanSVD: dittybopper: dougermouse: The fact that he isn't already out of the Embassy shows to me that he knows something with real teeth like RICO charges for helping Russia with the Dems takedown is coming.  The rape thing was going to be iffy and Sweden knew it.  But if the FBI/NSA has proof of him helping Flynn, then they probably talked Sweden to try to get him out of the embassy so they could do something more to him.  If I wasn't stuck in that building anymore, the second I saw the charges dropped my butt would be out of there so fast it would make your head spin.  He's staying for a reason.

/But I'm pretty psychotic these days, so maybe it's just a dream...

Except that since he's not a United States citizen, and hasn't done anything on United States soil, and indeed the only act he has done is what newspapers routinely do without punishment (publish leaked information), I can't see how he can be charged.  Universal Jurisdiction is bullshiat.  It means I could be charged under Thai law for calling the King of Thailand an inbred moron.

This times infinity. Charges are bs. Assange is a hero and so is Snowden.

Manning was guilty and deserved prison, but not the sentence she received.

MFK: This guy can get farked. He bears a huge amount of the responsibility for foisting Trump upon us (and the world for that matter). I'd be amazed if he can show his face in public anywhere on the planet without getting it punched in (besides Russia of course). Whatever "good" he did has been completely overshadowed by his bullshiat during the 2016 elections.

No, we are indebted to this guy. Governments around the world have been pulling shady stuff like clockwork on both the left and right and he provides a valuable tool for citizens all around the world to keep informed. Blame your party for being inept, corrupt, and picking bad candidates no one liked.

Assange actively assisted governments doing shady shiat.


Elaborate.
 
2017-05-19 02:08:43 PM  
Once again, it's Admiral Ackbar. Akbar means "great", as in "Allahu Akbar".
 
2017-05-19 02:08:51 PM  

Churchill92: The irony is that he sealed himself up in a room smaller than a Swedish jail for years longer than he would've been convicted under for the charges against him. His Self-imprisonment has to be some sort of sweet justice for the Swedes.


It wasn't the supposed rape charges he was afraid of, it was the US possibility of waving its wang around and trying to extradite him to the US for Wikileaks.

When all this BS happened, and still is occurring, it's worse than the mcarthy witchhunts. Now we have a generic "terrorist" label and an unending unknowable enemy we allowed laws to get passed that let us use whatever means we want against anyone we feel like and deny them any rights whatsoever.

Fark that, that's when you start lopping of beaurocrats heads off and burn a government to the ground and start over. It's past being able to be fixed.
 
2017-05-19 02:09:40 PM  

durbnpoisn: The general tone of this thread has 2 completely opposite points of view.

One says people like Snowden and Assange are traitors, liars, dangerous to the world, etc...  Because we should trust that our governments NEED to keep some things secret for the safety of everyone involved.

The other side says those same people are heroes because governments should not be keeping secrets of any kind from anyone, because they abuse that trust for their own gains.

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be outraged.  Because I agree with aspects of both points.
In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.


The left years ago was praising this guy. Now he's a comrade of Russia.
 
2017-05-19 02:11:11 PM  

aseras: Churchill92: The irony is that he sealed himself up in a room smaller than a Swedish jail for years longer than he would've been convicted under for the charges against him. His Self-imprisonment has to be some sort of sweet justice for the Swedes.

It wasn't the supposed rape charges he was afraid of, it was the US possibility of waving its wang around and trying to extradite him to the US for Wikileaks.

When all this BS happened, and still is occurring, it's worse than the mcarthy witchhunts. Now we have a generic "terrorist" label and an unending unknowable enemy we allowed laws to get passed that let us use whatever means we want against anyone we feel like and deny them any rights whatsoever.

Fark that, that's when you start lopping of beaurocrats heads off and burn a government to the ground and start over. It's past being able to be fixed.


This
 
2017-05-19 02:12:39 PM  
Assange got paid, probably in bitcoin, by Russian interests.

Every single thing that dude farking posts is undermining an anti-Putin candidate or releasing hacks that take advantage of the standards of security protocol.

Leaking important shiat for everyone is excusable, being a glorified Putin troll is not. Lose your integrity, and you take responsibility for being a platform that undermines elections and jeopardizes the world across the civilized world.

biatch.
 
2017-05-19 02:13:21 PM  

HumanSVD: durbnpoisn: The general tone of this thread has 2 completely opposite points of view.

One says people like Snowden and Assange are traitors, liars, dangerous to the world, etc...  Because we should trust that our governments NEED to keep some things secret for the safety of everyone involved.

The other side says those same people are heroes because governments should not be keeping secrets of any kind from anyone, because they abuse that trust for their own gains.

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be outraged.  Because I agree with aspects of both points.
In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.

The left years ago was praising this guy. Now he's a comrade of Russia.


Well, early on there wasn't any clear link between Wikileaks and Russia.  It wasn't until a couple years in when Wikileaks began running out of money that Assange started going on Russia State media, and the tone and release methods of Wikileaks changed.

I was never a fan of the organization, but their changed behavior makes it easy to have differing opinions of Wikileak pre and post 2012 or so.
 
2017-05-19 02:13:31 PM  

Churchill92: The irony is that he sealed himself up in a room smaller than a Swedish jail for years longer than he would've been convicted under for the charges against him. His Self-imprisonment has to be some sort of sweet justice for the Swedes.


Because there is zero chance he would have ended up anyplace other than Swedish custody.

No matter what an asshole he is, do not be naive
 
2017-05-19 02:16:19 PM  
Gee golly it sure seems like he has nothing to worry about now.  Oh, wait, "drops investigation" is not the same as "grants immunity"; they could arrest him on that charge immediately anyway.  Oh, wait again, they could also extradite his ass for overstaying his visa and Australia would serve him up on a platter to the US. Something tells me he isn't popping his head out anytime soon.
 
2017-05-19 02:20:55 PM  
If someone can ever convince me that I should give a f**k one way or another what happens to Mr. Assange, I will. Until then, I'll just amuse myself by watching his fanz and haterz have at each other.
To me, he is the poster child for "just some guy".
 
2017-05-19 02:22:05 PM  

durbnpoisn: The general tone of this thread has 2 completely opposite points of view.

One says people like Snowden and Assange are traitors, liars, dangerous to the world, etc...  Because we should trust that our governments NEED to keep some things secret for the safety of everyone involved.

The other side says those same people are heroes because governments should not be keeping secrets of any kind from anyone, because they abuse that trust for their own gains.

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be outraged.  Because I agree with aspects of both points.
In other words, I don't think the these situations are as "black and white" as you all would like them to be.


Nuance, shades of grey? Get the hell off fark with that crap I say!
 
2017-05-19 02:25:12 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Churchill92: The irony is that he sealed himself up in a room smaller than a Swedish jail for years longer than he would've been convicted under for the charges against him. His Self-imprisonment has to be some sort of sweet justice for the Swedes.

Because there is zero chance he would have ended up anyplace other than Swedish custody.

No matter what an asshole he is, do not be naive


That's not my point at all. I know full well that Assange would be blackbagged by the US as soon as he stepped foot in Sweden or out of his personal Ecuadorian prison.  The length of time he's stayed as a "guest" is longer than the time he would've been charged on the rape charges in Sweden if he was convicted. That's all.

I'm more disappointed in his lack of follow through now that Manning is free as he vowed to give himself up if <valid gender pronoun> is released.
 
2017-05-19 02:27:12 PM  

dittybopper: What I think is that this will allow is him to escape.  With Sweden withdrawing the warrant, the Brits have no reason to arrest him because as far as anyone knows publicly, there is no US warrant for his arrest.

The problem is that the US isn't particularly interested in following the law to get the people they want.  Look at what they did when there was a rumor that Edward Snowden was on the President of Bolivia's aircraft:  They strong-armed NATO allies into closing their airspace, forcing the plane to land in Austria, where it was searched.


Yea, never stop America before.
 
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