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2017-05-19 08:34:53 AM  
This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.
 
2017-05-19 08:55:27 AM  
Obvious tag out for coffee? This shouldn't be a surprise. Unless all your ancestors died healthy of skiing accidents at 90, chances are you are prone to something - cancer, heart disease, something.
 
2017-05-19 08:59:44 AM  

Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.


I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.
 
2017-05-19 09:01:12 AM  
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2017-05-19 09:04:39 AM  
Everyone living has the pre-existing condition called conception and the chronic existing condition called life.
We're all going to die of something soon or later. We might have good guesses, but if they're right or not...Things happen.
 
2017-05-19 09:11:00 AM  
Q: Doctor, what's the difference between a chromosome and a hormone?

A: You can't hear a chromosome!
 
2017-05-19 09:12:57 AM  
So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?
 
2017-05-19 09:12:58 AM  

lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


Why? An insurance company's job is to price risk and then normalize it's cost to you over time. Making it illegal to charge what someone's level of risk costs or making accurate assessment of risk impossible by forbidding them from taking certain things into account is just throwing grit into an already breaking down system.

If you just want to redistribute healthcare, there are much better vehicles for that than private profit seeking financial institutions.
 
2017-05-19 09:14:32 AM  
TFA starts right out complaining that the proposed law allows healthy people to get discounts on insurance.  Wow! First thing you know, safe drivers will be wanting discounts on car insurance.
If you are sick and you want "insurance", be honest enough to admit that what you really want is charity. Charity is fine; I approve.  It's dishonesty that spoils it.
 
2017-05-19 09:21:16 AM  
What exactly is a "pre-" existing condition? Before existence -- meaning it doesn't exist.
 
2017-05-19 09:23:26 AM  

Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.


WTF is wrong with (R)'s that they write shiat like this ^^^ as an attack, as if they think this is a bad thing.  FEAR MONGERING TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE UNIVERSALLY!!!!  From HILLARY!!!!

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Whereas I see read that and think about what we could have.

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2017-05-19 09:26:01 AM  

Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?


No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.
 
2017-05-19 09:26:16 AM  
It looks like Gattaca was correct. Now we just need our astronauts to wear suits and ties.
 
2017-05-19 09:34:25 AM  

piperTom: TFA starts right out complaining that the proposed law allows healthy people to get discounts on insurance.  Wow! First thing you know, safe drivers will be wanting discounts on car insurance.
If you are sick and you want "insurance", be honest enough to admit that what you really want is charity. Charity is fine; I approve.  It's dishonesty that spoils it.


Okay, but... why exactly are we taking it for granted that healthcare should be a means of consolidating wealth, rather than keeping ourselves, our families, our friends, and everyone else on the planet as healthy and safe as can be reasonably achieved through modern medicine?
 
2017-05-19 09:34:36 AM  
I've heard, although absolute proof is hard to come by, that everyone dies. This is why the life insurance business disappeared long ago. Why insure anyone knowing you'll lose?
 
2017-05-19 09:35:13 AM  
Saw this gem gif in a thread yesterday and swiped it.  It applies to every Slate article ever written.
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2017-05-19 09:37:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.


The thing is, preexisting conditions have to be disclosed at the creation of the policy.  That's why they're "pre-existing" so anyone with a genetic likelyhood to develop let's say Lou Gerhigs disease, then the insurance company will not pay coverage of that.  If you get a genetic screening and they say they won't cover:
stroke
heart disease
heart attack
bypass surgery
high cholesterol
high blood pressure
low blood pressure
diabetes
glaucoma
gout
appendicitis
tonsillitis
anemia
lung cancer
breast cancer
heart cancer
leukemia
prostate cancer
colon cancer
allergies
heart arrhythmia
migraines
Vertigo

Then you still have coverage for a broken arm, for example.  Most anyone with a choice will refuse the coverage above, but they might not if there's only one or two items on the list.  You know, the one or two things that bankrupts people and the main reason everyone feels like they need health insurance or they will wind up homeless.
 
2017-05-19 09:38:48 AM  
Wouldn't everyone have a pre-existing condition pretty much make pre-existing conditions meaningless? Insurance companies make money off of selling insurance, and they can't gouge literally everyone and expect to stay in business. Am I missing something?
 
2017-05-19 09:39:46 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.


Carry that through to its logical outcome.  If insurance doesn't ever pay, no one buys it.
 
2017-05-19 09:43:55 AM  

lennavan: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

WTF is wrong with (R)'s that they write shiat like this ^^^ as an attack, as if they think this is a bad thing.  FEAR MONGERING TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE UNIVERSALLY!!!!  From HILLARY!!!!

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Whereas I see read that and think about what we could have.

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WTF is wrong with your reading comprehension?  The fearmongering was from the right.  Jesus, I have to type the knowledge, and then read it for you too.
 
2017-05-19 09:51:29 AM  

lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


And to help pay for it everyone should be required to have coverage.
 
2017-05-19 09:52:38 AM  

Revek: Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.

Carry that through to its logical outcome.  If insurance doesn't ever pay, no one buys it.


Until you're required to buy it to access any healthcare. At which point you pay everything out of pocket anyways and they get untouchable profits.
 
2017-05-19 09:56:57 AM  
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2017-05-19 10:03:13 AM  
Meh. This isn't a bad thing. One step closer to single payer.
 
2017-05-19 10:03:55 AM  
With a few exceptions, genetic testing isn't really good at disease diagnosis unless you already have symptoms or family history.  Even though sequencing an entire genome is getting cheaper, it still isn't really useful for much.
 
2017-05-19 10:09:51 AM  

Xythero: With a few exceptions, genetic testing isn't really good at disease diagnosis unless you already have symptoms or family history.  Even though sequencing an entire genome is getting cheaper, it still isn't really useful for much.

 And the insurance companies are betting that most people don't know that or don't even care if they do. That they're even allowed to consider this is the strongest argument against the continued existence of the health insurance companies.
 
2017-05-19 10:13:47 AM  
Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate.
 
2017-05-19 10:15:44 AM  

Hoblit: [img.fark.net image 187x270]


I was commuting from BOS to SEA every week one winter and every east-bound flight had that movie.  I watched it every time and cried at the end every damned time.

/I never saved anything for the swim back.
 
2017-05-19 10:16:52 AM  

Destructor: Meh. This isn't a bad thing. One step closer to single payer.


Not as long as the party of greed controls the Senate, House, Supreme Court, and White House. The rich already have everything they want, and creating another "basic right" and extending it to everyone else is not going to make their insurance/hospital/pharmaceutical stock soar.

/tldr: the rich run the country, and their final word is: Fark you, I've got mine.
 
2017-05-19 10:16:58 AM  

Ned Stark: If you just want to redistribute healthcare, there are much better vehicles for that than private profit seeking financial institutions.


Oh I agree, I'd love to see private health insurance abolished and replaced with a properly civilized single payer system.

. . .but our Congressturds are bought, sold and paid for not by the people or their best interest, but by lobbyists and often the lobbyists for the healthcare cartels, so they don't give a flying fark about the people or what's good for them, so we're farking stuck with private insurance (and the GOP working hard to make sure it sucks EVEN WORSE as a measure of stigginit) until such a time as the US can join the rest of the civilized world.
 
2017-05-19 10:19:54 AM  
In America we have a system where Insurance companies and employers are allowed to hit you for pre-existing conditions, but HIPAA allows you to lie about having one.   This is done so everything can be "fair".   The only downside is you better hope your life is not held in the balance by the accessibility of your medical records.
 
2017-05-19 10:21:53 AM  
I'm gong to patent my genetic material and they will have to pay ME to get access.
 
2017-05-19 10:26:01 AM  

piperTom: TFA starts right out complaining that the proposed law allows healthy people to get discounts on insurance.  Wow! First thing you know, safe drivers will be wanting discounts on car insurance.
If you are sick and you want "insurance", be honest enough to admit that what you really want is charity. Charity is fine; I approve.  It's dishonesty that spoils it.


If getting sick costs you more than being healthy, then you don't really have insurance when you're healthy. You're just giving the health insurance companies your money with the understanding that you still won't be able to afford being sick if something happens to you.
 
2017-05-19 10:26:41 AM  

Revek: Gyrfalcon: Mouser: So if everyone has a preexisting condition, then no one has a preexisting condition, is that the theory?

No, if everyone has a preexisting condition, then insurance never has to pay anyone.

Carry that through to its logical outcome.  If insurance doesn't ever pay, no one buys it.


Except that they'll still be make it required by law...
 
2017-05-19 10:28:36 AM  

Private_Citizen: Destructor: Meh. This isn't a bad thing. One step closer to single payer.

Not as long as the party of greed controls the Senate, House, Supreme Court, and White House. The rich already have everything they want, and creating another "basic right" and extending it to everyone else is not going to make their insurance/hospital/pharmaceutical stock soar.

/tldr: the rich run the country, and their final word is: Fark you, I've got mine.


At this rate with Trump leading the way? You'll see a full blown communist in office before the decade is out.
 
2017-05-19 10:33:59 AM  

Xythero: With a few exceptions, genetic testing isn't really good at disease diagnosis unless you already have symptoms or family history.  Even though sequencing an entire genome is getting cheaper, it still isn't really useful for much.


This. Genetic indication is not medical disposition. Despite all advances, we are still far from understanding how a "cancer Gene" works, let alone know what other genes suppress it, and what genes inhibit those, and so on. Add endogenesis, aging effects, preventive care, and the unknown unknowns. With few exceptions, I think, comprehensive genetic testing is not going to be a reliable predictor of risk. I am reminded of when people would get whole body x-ray, CT and MRI scans to assess their risk of cancer. It turned into a mess, a lot of people getting unnecessary treatment because, it turns out, we all have cancer, all the time. We may live out our entire lives without it becoming a problem.
 
2017-05-19 10:52:42 AM  

lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


No problem require the insuree to pay for the coverage and additional cost to the insurer not some complete stranger.
 
2017-05-19 10:55:04 AM  

lack of warmth: Chris Ween: This was the fear mongering from the '92 push for universal healthcare by Hillary.    Meh.

I have a 30ish coworker who didn't receive coverage for a condition she had since birth, back before Obamacare.  The thing is, her parents had the same family plan coverage since well before she was born, and she was instantly under the day she was born.  Being she was covered by them since her conception (they covered the prenatal stuff too), how is it preexisting?  It wasn't fear mongering.  Making insurance companies cover all illnesses should be law.


I have a congenital heart defect. The pre existing condition stuff is pure bs. I had to pay out my rump for cobra coverage between college and jobs so I didn't go uncovered and then could possibly get denied coverage. Fark insurance companies.
 
2017-05-19 10:58:20 AM  
I had a sudden emergence of allergies to EVERYTHING. Paid to have my genome sequenced ( work for a University, easy to find out stuff ). all 3 of them. my skin has 2 different genetics and my bone marrow another. later found out mom tired to abort the pregnancy, succeed in part, and I formed out of what was left, yay me.

I'm not predisposed to any known genetic condition or known genetic defect. I am from EVERYWHERE but China and Japan. Which fits with what I know about my genealogy, but the pacific islander genes were interesting. I know my GGGGF was half white half back figure somewhere back there when the Portuguese or Dutch were roaming the oceans I got a predecessor who got picked up from there.

I should find an Oriental partner to complete my check boxes for some offspring.

I also know I have a genetic defect that isn't reported on most tests because it's extremely rare. There's probably 7 people on the planet with it. 3B HSD. mine isn't bad since I have a fully functional type 1 isoenzyme, but enough to cause problems as I age or get sick.

also had a full body MRI. When the radiologists start using the word equivocally you know you are farked... so i have some extra parts and some shiat they don't know wtf it is and I'm not letting them find out unless I have to.
 
2017-05-19 11:01:21 AM  
Twenty-seven percent of adult Americans under the age of 65 have a declinable pre-existing condition

Damn! And Republicans don't have an issue with this? They'd rather see us in the metaphorical dark ages with the state of our health care rather transition directly to a single payer platform as was intended by the "failed ACA". Ditch all this insurance BS...
Why have decency and compassion for all human beings? Food, water, shelter and basic medical care aren't rights, they are privileges... and you aren't privileged!

/scum, the lot of them
 
2017-05-19 11:04:06 AM  

Percise1: Twenty-seven percent of adult Americans under the age of 65 have a declinable pre-existing condition

Damn! And Republicans don't have an issue with this? They'd rather see us in the metaphorical dark ages with the state of our health care rather transition directly to a single payer platform as was intended by the "failed ACA". Ditch all this insurance BS...
Why have decency and compassion for all human beings? Food, water, shelter and basic medical care aren't rights, they are privileges... and you aren't privileged!

/scum, the lot of them


I am a Republican and have am issue with it. We are not all scum.
 Didn't vote for Trump. Abstained on the presidential vote.
 
2017-05-19 11:07:02 AM  
Soos:

Didn't vote for Trump. Abstained on the presidential vote.

So, you knew he was a shiate show and couldn't vote for him, but you didn't actively vote to keep him out of office.  Well, then... let me be the first to say, "Fark you very much."
 
2017-05-19 11:09:38 AM  

Metastatic Capricorn: Soos:

Didn't vote for Trump. Abstained on the presidential vote.

So, you knew he was a shiate show and couldn't vote for him, but you didn't actively vote to keep him out of office.  Well, then... let me be the first to say, "Fark you very much."


I didn't like either candidate. He was going to win North Dakota anyway.

But, it's like my opinion man.
 
2017-05-19 11:11:33 AM  

aseras: I had a sudden emergence of allergies to EVERYTHING. Paid to have my genome sequenced ( work for a University, easy to find out stuff ). all 3 of them. my skin has 2 different genetics and my bone marrow another. later found out mom tired to abort the pregnancy, succeed in part, and I formed out of what was left, yay me.

I'm not predisposed to any known genetic condition or known genetic defect. I am from EVERYWHERE but China and Japan. Which fits with what I know about my genealogy, but the pacific islander genes were interesting. I know my GGGGF was half white half back figure somewhere back there when the Portuguese or Dutch were roaming the oceans I got a predecessor who got picked up from there.

I should find an Oriental partner to complete my check boxes for some offspring.

I also know I have a genetic defect that isn't reported on most tests because it's extremely rare. There's probably 7 people on the planet with it. 3B HSD. mine isn't bad since I have a fully functional type 1 isoenzyme, but enough to cause problems as I age or get sick.

also had a full body MRI. When the radiologists start using the word equivocally you know you are farked... so i have some extra parts and some shiat they don't know wtf it is and I'm not letting them find out unless I have to.


To better interpret your results:

1) No one fully understands genetics and everyone has "a genetic defect" somewhere.  Everyone has a lot of genetic defects all over the farking place.  The actual question is "is it relevant?"  For 99.99999999999999% of the genome, the answer is "no one knows."  So when you write "I have a genetic defect that isn't reported on most tests because it's extremely rare. There's probably 7 people on the planet with it. 3B HSD. mine isn't bad since I have a fully functional type 1 isoenzyme, but enough to cause problems as I age or get sick." the correct interpretation is "I have no farking clue what it means."

2)

aseras: also had a full body MRI. When the radiologists start using the word equivocally


That's not what the word equivocally means.  Radiology is a field unlike any other because the absolute evidence is permanent.  When they read a full body MRI and things look great, you'd think they should write "no issues, looks great."  Then 5 years later you find out you have lung cancer after a repeat imaging done for your new cough -- now there's a 2cm mass.  So you look back at your MRI from 5 years ago and hey, there's a tiny little blip there.  At the time it seemed like nothing but with the benefit of hindsight, that radiologist was an expert, he/she is supposed to be more careful and they missed it.  You could have been treated 5 years sooner and your prognosis would be better.  So you get a lawyer, that lawyer asks 20 radiologists about the MRI and 19 laugh and say that's ridiculous and 1 of them says "yeah, he should have called that."  That's your guy on the witness stand.  Now that MRI from 5 years ago pops up for the jury, an expert radiologist argues "any decent radiologist should have seen that" and your doctor gets up and gives the costs and prognosis associated with your lung cancer.  So guess what radiology reports all look like because of that very real possibility?

Now add to that, it is very well known there is a farking lot of anatomical variation amongst the normal population and the great majority of people die never knowing.
 
2017-05-19 11:37:53 AM  

Percise1: Damn! And Republicans don't have an issue with this? They'd rather see us in the metaphorical dark ages with the state of our health care rather transition directly to a single payer platform as was intended by the "failed ACA". Ditch all this insurance BS...
Why have decency and compassion for all human beings? Food, water, shelter and basic medical care aren't rights, they are privileges... and you aren't privileged!


Many Republicans are extremely concerned about extending health care coverage to people they consider unworthy. They want to judge who's worthy and who isn't, and make sure tax dollars only help the former. Just ask Mick Mulvaney. Kids like Kimmel's child should be covered, but not adults whose lifestyle habits contributed to them developing diabetes. When I read those comments I had three thoughts immediately:
1) It's often impossible to know how much a person's lifestyle contributed to their illness versus genetic, environmental, and random factors.
2) I think Mulvaney's attitude is very widespread. He just said it out loud.
3) It's appalling.

Health care is a basic human right and it's long past time the US joined the rest of the developed nations in acknowledging that and developing policy based on it. I realize some people don't consider it a human right. They figure if you can't afford it, tough shiat. Maybe we'll help you out if we decide you're worthy. Maybe. I don't want to live in the society they want. It's too bad these folks haven't moved elsewhere, to Galt Island or some such libertarian paradise, so the rest of us can build a modern society.
 
2017-05-19 12:04:39 PM  
Isn't technically everything a pre-existing condition? It's just whatever Insurance companies are willing to take a hit on... if your pre-existing condition doesn't hit you until you're old then that's decades of profit but if your get sick when you're young then go fark yourself basically? Insurance is a scam anyways
 
2017-05-19 12:06:06 PM  

aseras: When the radiologists start using the word equivocally you know you are farked... so i have some extra parts and some shiat they don't know wtf it is and I'm not letting them find out unless I have to.


I hope you'll get lucky and develop super-human powers. Next thing you know, you're our on the streets in a colorful costume fighting crime!
 
2017-05-19 12:23:06 PM  
Time for health Co-ops.
 
2017-05-19 12:25:43 PM  
Is it just me or is the line between insurance (any kind) and organized crime becoming more blurred every day.
 
2017-05-19 12:28:46 PM  
Doesn't it make you Americans feel good to know that the money you are giving insurance companies in case of medical emergencies is being used to pay people to figure out how to deny you coverage?
Stop being such pussies and provide universal health care already.
 
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