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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Steve Englehart, the man who created Mantis for Marvel, says his creation is "unrecognizable" in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Yes, she was actually a decent character for once   ( hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2017-05-19 06:59:52 AM  
Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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2017-05-19 08:31:13 AM  

The English Major: Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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How about Dr. Mantis Toboggan?
 
2017-05-19 08:33:25 AM  
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2017-05-19 08:34:48 AM  

EddieMoscone: The English Major: Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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How about Dr. Mantis Toboggan?


Sorry. The mantis we were looking for was...


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2017-05-19 08:37:17 AM  
Bullshiat. She was never interesting. That Celestial Madonna storyline is pants-on-head crazy.
 
2017-05-19 08:39:34 AM  
Yeah yeah, Star Lord, Groot, Ego, Gamora, Yondu, Starhawk, and most of the other characters in the film were very different from the comic versions too.
 
2017-05-19 08:43:00 AM  
If you want Mantis to be like she is in the comics, you'll need to build another MCU to cover her full story.

/ But don't do it
 
2017-05-19 09:04:27 AM  

bighairyguy: If you want Mantis to be like she is in the comics, you'll need to build another MCU to cover her full story.

/ But don't do it


I'd love a silver age throwback MCU, but I know it's highly unlikely.

Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.
 
2017-05-19 09:05:53 AM  
From wiki:
"Mantis is the half-Vietnamese, half-German daughter of Gustav Brandt-Libra-and was born in HuếVietnam. In her childhood, her father leaves her in Vietnam at the Temple of the alien Priests of Pama, a sect of the Kree. The Kree believe she might become the Celestial Madonna and mate with the eldest Cotati on Earth to become the mother of the Celestial Messiah, "the most important being in the universe".
She excels in her martial arts studies, but when she reaches adulthood, she is mind-wiped and sent into the world to gain life experience. She becomes a prostitute and barmaid in a Vietnamese bar,
"

So she's literally the Madonna/whore figure. From Viet Nam. Yeah, I think I and everyone else who lives on planet egalitarian prefers the GOG2 version to your pervy vision, comic nerd.
 
2017-05-19 09:18:18 AM  

Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.


I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.
 
2017-05-19 09:22:46 AM  
There's about 36 layers of backstory to Mantis that probably aren't ever going to be used, so maybe this is the case where we can just be happy that a minor character got some screen time? I doubt we're going to get in to her relationship with Phyla-Vell, either.
 
2017-05-19 09:25:47 AM  

deadsanta: From wiki:
...she might become the Celestial Madonna and mate with the eldest Cotati on Earth to become the mother of the Celestial Messiah


Also from wiki: "The Cotati are highly intelligent species of telepathic plants."

Yeah, good call there Gunn.
 
2017-05-19 09:28:05 AM  

NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.


Warren Ellis had a wonderful run with the earliest issues of Ultimate Fantastic Four. I've been reading comics for decades but his was the first time I really understood that the FF are cosmic explorers. That's something that needs to be played up and generally isn't. You also have an unconventional family structure. It's not just Reed and Sue but also their shared feelings about Ben. You could play up a Chosen Family (something a lot of LGBTetc people know all about) angle nowadays to fit that in a more contemporary setting.
 
2017-05-19 09:31:34 AM  
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2017-05-19 09:39:54 AM  

The English Major: Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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Was there a 90's scifi campfest TV show that Gina Torres did not star in?
 
2017-05-19 09:42:48 AM  
Mantis sucked in the comics.  I remember  seeing her pop up in a story and letting  out an audible "Ugh.. Shiat", in my younger years.
 
2017-05-19 09:45:14 AM  

NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.


Put them in NYC in the early 60's.  Their origin story can finally be told accurately.  They could work with a fledgling SHIELD, middle aged Howard Stark, a milf-ed up Peggy Carter, and a young agent named Nick Fury.
 
2017-05-19 09:50:29 AM  
I honestly only want the Fantastic Four rights back for Dr Doom.  He needs to be done right.
 
2017-05-19 09:52:31 AM  

NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.


If it ends up reverting to Marvel they can even have their cake and eat it too.  They're space explorers and their origin story is that they got lost in a magic space cloud of radiation and came back with superpowers.  No reasons "magic space cloud" shouldn't include a fast-forward button, it's already magic and in SPAAAAAAAACE and all.

So they can be 1960s explorers with the aesthetic and the sensibilities and everything and also essentially start their story in the timeline of the other Marvel films, no problem.

Honestly, I'm a bit puzzled that the films keep sucking, they're possibly the single easiest superhero property to do, the internal conflict and heartwarming shiat is literally the only thing they have as one-note characters.  Grimm is dour, Storm is hotheaded, Richards is authoritative but usually in the process of farking up, and whatshername is disposable.  Their character arcs are literally their only character traits, not sure what the problem is.

Probably mostly the insistence on cramming Doom into every version.  Doom's more a second-film enemy, for when they've done their "we figured out that family shouldn't be dicks to each other" arc and have nothing left, leaving the entire script of the next film empty enough to fit DOOM in there without being cursory.
 
2017-05-19 09:54:52 AM  
If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.
 
2017-05-19 09:58:00 AM  

Saiga410: The English Major: Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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Was there a 90's scifi campfest TV show that Gina Torres did not star in?


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She is in everything. I think she is a clone.
 
2017-05-19 10:00:31 AM  

SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.


At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.
 
2017-05-19 10:04:03 AM  

NeoCortex42: SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.

At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.


It removes a lot of constraints Marvel will eventually face as they build their universe and get larger.

The other way is the infinity guantlet, but that is already lined up and I can't see them getting all the rights before that.

With the IG, they can literally change and rewrite the history of their universe.
 
2017-05-19 10:08:54 AM  
Oh, look, the lame-ass fanboy "idea" of the Fantastic Four as a retro period piece again

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2017-05-19 10:17:06 AM  

SillBinger: NeoCortex42: SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.

At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.

It removes a lot of constraints Marvel will eventually face as they build their universe and get larger.

The other way is the infinity guantlet, but that is already lined up and I can't see them getting all the rights before that.

With the IG, they can literally change and rewrite the history of their universe.


They could always tap the Beyonder(s).

Cast David Hasselhoff.

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That still even works in the context of his appearance in GOTG2.
 
2017-05-19 10:19:51 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, the lame-ass fanboy "idea" of the Fantastic Four as a retro period piece again

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I like those ideas, because honestly the FF simply do not work when you try to update and modernize them.

Honestly, if Marvel Studios gets them back, I'd almost rather they retire the FF themselves and just use all the villains and cosmic stuff without them. The FF is basically dead on arrival on film, and I'd be stunned if anyone could make them interesting enough to work in this MCU era of movies.
 
2017-05-19 10:26:23 AM  

NeoCortex42: SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.

At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.


I think they could use the more recent Secret Wars storyline as a nice starting point for rebooting the MCU eventually if they every cut a deal with Fox.

Introduce the FF in their own world along with Doom, then bring in the multiple universes. Hell, if they can get away with the Council of Reeds without seeming like a Rick and Morty rip off, they could even bring back the other two movie Reeds to play some of the alternate Reeds.

After the FF have been properly set up in a few movies, do a version of Time Runs out, only instead of it being the 616 and Ultimate universes that duke it out at the end, you turn it into a Avengers vs X-Men movie where the two alternate earths are fighting each other for survival, which gives yo a chance to pit them against each other without having to invent a stupid misunderstanding. It's a desperate fight to decide which universe is left standing.

Of course they fight to a standstill, the universes go boom, and then we have Doom becoming God-Emperor of Battleworld for a batshiat crazy Secret Wars movie, after which the Mavel universe is rebooted with the X-Men and FF part of the new continuity.
 
2017-05-19 10:29:45 AM  

GameSprocket: Saiga410: The English Major: Would it have worked better with this Mantis?

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She is in everything. I think she is a clone.


We could use more clones of her. I'll be in my bunk...
/Lawrence Fishburne is a lucky lucky man.
 
2017-05-19 10:34:22 AM  

WilderKWight: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, the lame-ass fanboy "idea" of the Fantastic Four as a retro period piece again

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I like those ideas, because honestly the FF simply do not work when you try to update and modernize them.

Honestly, if Marvel Studios gets them back, I'd almost rather they retire the FF themselves and just use all the villains and cosmic stuff without them. The FF is basically dead on arrival on film, and I'd be stunned if anyone could make them interesting enough to work in this MCU era of movies.


I think the FF could be updated / modernized and made interesting, it would just take a writer more competent than most of the hacks working these days, and a studio willing to let the movie be made as it needs to be made.
 
2017-05-19 10:37:09 AM  

PlaidJaguar: WilderKWight: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, the lame-ass fanboy "idea" of the Fantastic Four as a retro period piece again

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I like those ideas, because honestly the FF simply do not work when you try to update and modernize them.

Honestly, if Marvel Studios gets them back, I'd almost rather they retire the FF themselves and just use all the villains and cosmic stuff without them. The FF is basically dead on arrival on film, and I'd be stunned if anyone could make them interesting enough to work in this MCU era of movies.

I think the FF could be updated / modernized and made interesting, it would just take a writer more competent than most of the hacks working these days, and a studio willing to let the movie be made as it needs to be made.


Which makes no sense.  The F4 are pretty simple, they keep over complicating the story.

It's a family of super hero travelers, it's that simple.
 
2017-05-19 10:41:52 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah yeah, Star Lord, Groot, Ego, Gamora, Yondu, Starhawk, and most of the other characters in the film were very different from the comic versions too.


That is the good thing about using characters no one has ever heard of, you can change things around and it can surpass what it used to be. You can't even change Superman's red shorts without betraying 70 years of pop knowledge
 
2017-05-19 10:42:41 AM  

SillBinger: PlaidJaguar: WilderKWight: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, the lame-ass fanboy "idea" of the Fantastic Four as a retro period piece again

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I like those ideas, because honestly the FF simply do not work when you try to update and modernize them.

Honestly, if Marvel Studios gets them back, I'd almost rather they retire the FF themselves and just use all the villains and cosmic stuff without them. The FF is basically dead on arrival on film, and I'd be stunned if anyone could make them interesting enough to work in this MCU era of movies.

I think the FF could be updated / modernized and made interesting, it would just take a writer more competent than most of the hacks working these days, and a studio willing to let the movie be made as it needs to be made.

Which makes no sense.  The F4 are pretty simple, they keep over complicating the story.

It's a family of super hero travelers, it's that simple.


Right, but most of the writers in Hollywood are hacks incapable of creating a compelling story within that framework, hence the insistence on shoehorning Doom in with the FF at the start, and completely mishandling him because there isn't room for origins for both in the same movie.  Honestly, Doom should get his own origin story movie, one where he is the protagonist, trying to rescue his mother from Hell, and it shouldn't be done until there are at least 2 preexisting FF movies.
 
2017-05-19 10:43:43 AM  

NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.


That or do like they did with Big Hero 6 and animate it...but then it's bascially The Incredibles.
 
2017-05-19 10:44:47 AM  

SillBinger: I honestly only want the Fantastic Four rights back for Dr Doom.  He needs to be done right.


I mean, surely Disney can't trip over their dick portraying Mad Scientist Emperor Vader.
 
2017-05-19 10:50:36 AM  

Mad_Radhu: NeoCortex42: SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.

At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.

I think they could use the more recent Secret Wars storyline as a nice starting point for rebooting the MCU eventually if they every cut a deal with Fox.

Introduce the FF in their own world along with Doom, then bring in the multiple universes. Hell, if they can get away with the Council of Reeds without seeming like a Rick and Morty rip off, they could even bring back the other two movie Reeds to play some of the alternate Reeds.

After the FF have been properly set up in a few movies, do a version of Time Runs out, only instead of it being the 616 and Ultimate universes that duke it out at the end, you turn it into a Avengers vs X-Men movie where the two alternate earths are fighting each other for survival, which gives yo a chance to pit them against each other without having to invent a stupid misunderstanding. It's a desperate fight to decide which universe is left standing.

Of course they fight to a standstill, the universes go boom, and then we have Doom becoming God-Emperor of Battleworld for a batshiat crazy Secret Wars movie, after which the Mavel universe is rebooted with the X-Men and FF part of the new continuity.


I have a feeling that the MCU is going to hit the usual comic continuity boost and collapse in on itself at some point and a comic book style reboot like you describe above just isn't going to be a sustainable solution.

The reason that long running film franchises like James Bond work is that continuity literally does not matter. You can watch any movie without having seen any other movie and you will miss basically nothing other than maybe a few in-jokes or irrelevant-to-the-plot callbacks.

MCU is more like a TV series. And any serialized TV show eventually winds up suffering from continuity lock out as each episode relies more and more heavily on what has come before, and the amount of what has come before gets larger and larger, representing a higher hurdle for entry into the series.

With the Avengers movies having acted as season finales, we are currently in the early days of season three, and as often happens in season three, you can start to see the signs of that.

The movies now all rely on you having seen their own previous films, and also are increasingly reliant on you having seen the previous Avengers movies as well, which then require you to have seen the other characters' movies to get the full background for those.

Movies in general are more self contained than most episodes of television, so you can sort of skate by a bit better than you could picking up a similar show in the middle of season three, but it is increasingly difficult as this goes on, even if it makes it a more rewarding experience for those who stick with it.

It's currently drawing more people to all of the Marvel movies, some of which they might have skipped, I think. But eventually it's going to reach a tipping point where the number of people locked out of the contuinity is greater than the number of people who continue to watch each episode.
 
2017-05-19 10:59:27 AM  

Delta1212: I have a feeling that the MCU is going to hit the usual comic continuity boost and collapse in on itself at some point and a comic book style reboot like you describe above just isn't going to be a sustainable solution.

The reason that long running film franchises like James Bond work is that continuity literally does not matter. You can watch any movie without having seen any other movie and you will miss basically nothing other than maybe a few in-jokes or irrelevant-to-the-plot callbacks.

MCU is more like a TV series. And any serialized TV show eventually winds up suffering from continuity lock out as each episode relies more and more heavily on what has come before, and the amount of what has come before gets larger and larger, representing a higher hurdle for entry into the series.


This is true.  Civil War showed up on Netflix not long ago, but I can't watch it with my ladyfriend because she'd need to at least see Winter Soldier and Avengers 2 in order to understand who the characters are, and what's going on (Most recent MCU movie she's seen is IM3)  And, of course, those older MCU flicks aren't available streaming.
 
2017-05-19 10:59:47 AM  
Movie Bob has a good series on how to "fix" the FF.  Here's part 1.

In Bob We Trust - HOW TO FIX "THE FANTASTIC FOUR" IN THE MCU (PART I)
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It's so in-line with what we've been saying here for years that I'd almost believe he's a Farker.
 
2017-05-19 11:07:24 AM  

NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.


They wouldn't even have to monkey with the current MCU continuity to do it:  ANT-MAN showed that there
were superheroes working (albeit secretly) between WWII and the creation of Iron Man.
 
2017-05-19 11:08:18 AM  
I was wondering why Mantis sounded retarded.

Then I found out the actress has a French accent.
 
2017-05-19 11:14:28 AM  
Before the inevitable reboot of the MCU, they should fark with everyone and produce Marvel Zombies to end the current universe.
 
2017-05-19 11:20:00 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.

They wouldn't even have to monkey with the current MCU continuity to do it:  ANT-MAN showed that there
were superheroes working (albeit secretly) between WWII and the creation of Iron Man.


I think the only thing wrong with that is that one of the FF's main qualities which made them stand out from the other super heroes was that they were out in the open and had almost a celebrity-like status with the team.  The MCU would have had some reference to that I'd think.
 
2017-05-19 11:31:32 AM  

hotrod2001: DjangoStonereaver: NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.

They wouldn't even have to monkey with the current MCU continuity to do it:  ANT-MAN showed that there
were superheroes working (albeit secretly) between WWII and the creation of Iron Man.

I think the only thing wrong with that is that one of the FF's main qualities which made them stand out from the other super heroes was that they were out in the open and had almost a celebrity-like status with the team.  The MCU would have had some reference to that I'd think.


It could be handwaved away in a number of ways, one way could be that they'd have some sort of conflict
that involved them going into the Negative Zone and coming out in modern day, possibly combined with
some sort of time travel paradox thing that erased them from history.  But that's a bit too lazy I think.

A better way could be that they operated in the open for a brief time in the early 60s, made their splash in
the public media, and then faded away from the public consciousness, maybe dismissed as some sort of
weird publicity stunt gone wrong and forgotten.  I mean:  the sense I got from the early MCU movies up
until THE AVENGERS was that not many people remembered much about Captain America, and that most
people would only remember him as a propaganda tool, not as an actual superhero (think for a moment
about how unknowledgable Emil Blonsky was about the Super Soldier project in THE INCREDIBLE HULK).

Or it could be done in a way that none of us could think of.
 
2017-05-19 11:31:49 AM  

Mad_Radhu: NeoCortex42: SillBinger: If Marvel wants to introduce the whole multiverse F4 would be one way to do it.

Instead of trying to retcon them into history like they did Ant Man, just have them from a different Earth and they've stumbled upon this version of Earth.

It's not the best idea, but if they make it retro, they already did that with Captain America, or retcon like Ant Man.  They make them explorers from Space they will come across like GoTG.

Make them dimensional travelers, it'll allow Marvel to really broaden their universe.

At some point, Marvel will probably want to blow up the MCU entirely and reboot stuff.  A multi-dimensional movie would be a good way to do it, once they get the rights to some of their work that's out of their hands (FF, mutants, etc).  If they were suddenly able to use mutants, it would be odd to have them just be in the world without any history.  So a reboot of some sort would be necessary in that case.  Of course, I don't expect Fox to ever completely relinquish the rights, but they might consider a deal similar to Sony with Spider-Man.

I think they could use the more recent Secret Wars storyline as a nice starting point for rebooting the MCU eventually if they every cut a deal with Fox.

Introduce the FF in their own world along with Doom, then bring in the multiple universes. Hell, if they can get away with the Council of Reeds without seeming like a Rick and Morty rip off, they could even bring back the other two movie Reeds to play some of the alternate Reeds.

After the FF have been properly set up in a few movies, do a version of Time Runs out, only instead of it being the 616 and Ultimate universes that duke it out at the end, you turn it into a Avengers vs X-Men movie where the two alternate earths are fighting each other for survival, which gives yo a chance to pit them against each other without having to invent a stupid misunderstanding. It's a desperate fight to decide which universe is left standing.

Of course they fight to a standstill, the universes go boom, and then we have Doom becoming God-Emperor of Battleworld for a batshiat crazy Secret Wars movie, after which the Mavel universe is rebooted with the X-Men and FF part of the new continuity.


All of that sounds just...dreadful.
 
2017-05-19 11:34:08 AM  

fickenchucker: I was wondering why Mantis sounded retarded.

Then I found out the actress has a French accent.


Yeah, because that Wis-can-sin accent makes you sound like a genius, I'm sure.
 
2017-05-19 11:38:28 AM  
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You guys suck. All this time and no pictures of her
 
2017-05-19 11:42:28 AM  
2nd picture is not her, but it came up in the search, so why not share
 
2017-05-19 11:44:01 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: hotrod2001: DjangoStonereaver: NeoCortex42: Great_Milenko: Would be a perfect vehicle for the Fantastic Four if they ever end up in the hands of a competent studio.

I'm convinced that that is the only way to do an enjoyable FF movie.  Set it during the 50s/60s and give it a cheesy silver age feel.

They wouldn't even have to monkey with the current MCU continuity to do it:  ANT-MAN showed that there
were superheroes working (albeit secretly) between WWII and the creation of Iron Man.

I think the only thing wrong with that is that one of the FF's main qualities which made them stand out from the other super heroes was that they were out in the open and had almost a celebrity-like status with the team.  The MCU would have had some reference to that I'd think.

It could be handwaved away in a number of ways, one way could be that they'd have some sort of conflict
that involved them going into the Negative Zone and coming out in modern day, possibly combined with
some sort of time travel paradox thing that erased them from history.  But that's a bit too lazy I think.

A better way could be that they operated in the open for a brief time in the early 60s, made their splash in
the public media, and then faded away from the public consciousness, maybe dismissed as some sort of
weird publicity stunt gone wrong and forgotten.  I mean:  the sense I got from the early MCU movies up
until THE AVENGERS was that not many people remembered much about Captain America, and that most
people would only remember him as a propaganda tool, not as an actual superhero (think for a moment
about how unknowledgable Emil Blonsky was about the Super Soldier project in THE INCREDIBLE HULK).

Or it could be done in a way that none of us could think of.


MAGIC!
 
2017-05-19 11:44:21 AM  
I take that back, apparently it is her
 
2017-05-19 11:58:33 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I take that back, apparently it is her


It doesn't matter.
 
2017-05-19 11:59:19 AM  

This text is now purple: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I take that back, apparently it is her

It doesn't matter.


I already finished too.
 
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