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2017-05-18 08:28:01 PM  
This isn't very interesting, it's the same old boring argument: Something is complicated and we don't fully understand it, therefore God.

*yawn*
 
2017-05-18 08:34:50 PM  
The existence of highly successful prosperity gospel preachers alone proves that God does not exist.
 
2017-05-18 08:35:08 PM  
Very probably? Really?
 
2017-05-18 08:37:02 PM  
If God does exist, and he's as all-powerful as claimed, then he's either an absentee landlord who let the place go to hell through deliberate apathy and neglect, or he's a sadistic bastard who enjoys how screwed up the world is.

Comforting thought, there.
 
2017-05-18 08:43:45 PM  

clancifer: Very probably? Really?


We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.
 
2017-05-18 08:52:57 PM  

naughtyrev: clancifer: Very probably? Really?

We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.


And yet God denies the ham to two of the major world religions.
 
2017-05-18 09:02:05 PM  

revrendjim: naughtyrev: clancifer: Very probably? Really?

We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.

And yet God denies the ham to two of the major world religions.


Not for lack of trying. Noah named his son Ham.
 
2017-05-18 09:27:32 PM  
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2017-05-18 09:34:28 PM  

naughtyrev: revrendjim: naughtyrev: clancifer: Very probably? Really?

We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.

And yet God denies the ham to two of the major world religions.

Not for lack of trying. Noah named his son Ham.


That may well be my favorite consecutive 3 posts I've ever seen on Fark.
 
2017-05-18 09:46:51 PM  
You're on the way to the very first stage of the argument - trying to prove that a god exists

Next Q: out of all the literally thousands of gods that humans have invented, why is it your one that is responsible?
 
2017-05-18 09:55:36 PM  

mjjt: Next Q


What's wrong with de Lancie?
 
2017-05-18 10:00:12 PM  

bloobeary: If God does exist, and he's as all-powerful as claimed, then he's either an absentee landlord who let the place go to hell through deliberate apathy and neglect, or he's a sadistic bastard who enjoys how screwed up the world is.

Comforting thought, there.


Thanks Epicurus
 
2017-05-18 10:08:08 PM  
naughtyrev: We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.

revrendjim: And yet God denies the ham to two of the major world religions.

bloobeary: he's a sadistic bastard


It's like proving a mathematic theorem.
 
2017-05-18 11:07:05 PM  
It's the exact same thing as always.

Just because we don't understand something yet, does NOT mean a deity is responsible.

/I'm still waiting for the Large Hadron Collider to create a black hole in the Earth to swallow us whole
//farking morons
///Debbil did duh dinosaurs too!
 
2017-05-18 11:07:41 PM  

Sgygus: It's like proving a mathematic theorem.


2 + 2 = bacon.
(because bacon)
 
2017-05-18 11:08:30 PM  
Somebody get God into court, swear on himself, and get the bastard on record.

Otherwise he doesn't exist.
 
2017-05-18 11:08:30 PM  

naughtyrev: The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.


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2017-05-18 11:23:03 PM  
So, all the other gods conjured up in the course of human history ~don't~ exist though, forrrrr uhh reasons unknown and stuff, and such as.

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2017-05-18 11:36:13 PM  
:sigh:

He is saying that higher mathematics does not exist in the physical world. It exists in the realm of human consciousness. Human consciousness does not have a physical existence, and is thus is supernatural. Therefore the supernatural exists.
 
2017-05-18 11:40:59 PM  
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2017-05-18 11:43:57 PM  
what always bugs me about these conversations is the arrogant presumption that there is only one god, and its a 'he'.
 
2017-05-18 11:48:31 PM  
the probability for the existence of a supernatural god have been rising

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2017-05-18 11:48:57 PM  

revrendjim: naughtyrev: clancifer: Very probably? Really?

We live on a planet where ham exists. Name one other planet where that is true. The existence of ham is incontrovertible proof of the existence of the divine.

And yet God denies the ham to two of the major world religions.


Clearly punishment for picking the wrong one.
 
2017-05-18 11:52:04 PM  
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2017-05-18 11:57:29 PM  
OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.
 
2017-05-19 12:00:22 AM  

propasaurus: OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.


I have no problems accepting that the christian god exists.  I just don't believe he is all knowing or all powerful, nor is he the only path to salvation.  I didn't ask for the christian god to lend a hand, nor do I require christian 'salvation'.
 
2017-05-19 12:00:25 AM  
well, lol, I guess.
 
2017-05-19 12:05:55 AM  

Weaver95: propasaurus: OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.

I have no problems accepting that the christian god exists.  I just don't believe he is all knowing or all powerful, nor is he the only path to salvation.  I didn't ask for the christian god to lend a hand, nor do I require christian 'salvation'.


Well, that's like, your opinion, you Pagan.
 
2017-05-19 12:12:52 AM  

propasaurus: Weaver95: propasaurus: OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.

I have no problems accepting that the christian god exists.  I just don't believe he is all knowing or all powerful, nor is he the only path to salvation.  I didn't ask for the christian god to lend a hand, nor do I require christian 'salvation'.

Well, that's like, your opinion, you Pagan.


its just plain WEIRD to me that christians have a religious obligation to go out and convert others to the faith.
 
2017-05-19 12:15:14 AM  
Why did the natural world always - so far as we know - obey laws of mathematics?

Show me evidence that a number exists, any number, and I'll believe in god.
 
2017-05-19 12:18:23 AM  

Weaver95: propasaurus: Weaver95: propasaurus: OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.

I have no problems accepting that the christian god exists.  I just don't believe he is all knowing or all powerful, nor is he the only path to salvation.  I didn't ask for the christian god to lend a hand, nor do I require christian 'salvation'.

Well, that's like, your opinion, you Pagan.

its just plain WEIRD to me that christians have a religious obligation to go out and convert others to the faith.


That's one of the reasons it's so successful. You could go ask all the faiths that made it a sacred point of pride to keep it to themselves and never spread the word, but they don't exist anymore.

Eleusinian mysteries, anyone?
 
2017-05-19 12:21:14 AM  

Weaver95: propasaurus: Weaver95: propasaurus: OK, so your God exists, but he's a dick.

I have no problems accepting that the christian god exists.  I just don't believe he is all knowing or all powerful, nor is he the only path to salvation.  I didn't ask for the christian god to lend a hand, nor do I require christian 'salvation'.

Well, that's like, your opinion, you Pagan.

its just plain WEIRD to me that christians have a religious obligation to go out and convert others to the faith.


Intolerance is one of the basic tenets of Christianity.
 
2017-05-19 12:24:42 AM  

Sid_6.7: That's one of the reasons it's so successful. You could go ask all the faiths that made it a sacred point of pride to keep it to themselves and never spread the word, but they don't exist anymore.


I would argue that they had to go underground to survive....but enough of the old faiths and non-christian faiths remained to build/re-build the pagan faiths.

For what its worth, in this country at least I think people have come to associate 'christianity' with megachurches, radical pro-birth evangelicals, and hypocritical moralistic crusaders pushing an antiquated message of greed and hate that doesn't even fit in the christian theology of forgiveness and acceptance.   Ironically enough, evangelicals might have managed to finally weaken christianity enough for non-abrahamic religions to gain at least SOME ground and come back from the shadows.
 
2017-05-19 12:26:40 AM  

propasaurus: Intolerance is one of the basic tenets of Christianity.


yeah, all while claiming to be the most tolerant faith out there.  blatant hypocrisy doesn't go over well in this society.
 
2017-05-19 12:26:49 AM  

VelcroFez: :sigh:

He is saying that higher mathematics does not exist in the physical world. It exists in the realm of human consciousness. Human consciousness does not have a physical existence, and is thus is supernatural. Therefore the supernatural exists.


Higher mathematics exist in the physical world.  Mathematics is the merely the most accurate descriptions of events.

Abstraction is merely a way to describe something that cannot be measured directly by human senses.  Certain abstractions can be measured by means other than human senses, such as mechanical or experimental

Sid_6.7: Why did the natural world always - so far as we know - obey laws of mathematics?

Show me evidence that a number exists, any number, and I'll believe in god.


*looks at challenge*
*Looks at User Name*
Ummm...Sid, ole buddy....you don't exist, i'm afraid.
 
2017-05-19 12:31:58 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Sid_6.7: Why did the natural world always - so far as we know - obey laws of mathematics?

Show me evidence that a number exists, any number, and I'll believe in god.

*looks at challenge*
*Looks at User Name*
Ummm...Sid, ole buddy....you don't exist, i'm afraid.


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2017-05-19 12:33:17 AM  

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Go back to the cesspool that is the rest of the internet, furry.
 
2017-05-19 12:34:25 AM  
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2017-05-19 12:38:20 AM  

Weaver95: propasaurus: Intolerance is one of the basic tenets of Christianity.

yeah, all while claiming to be the most tolerant faith out there.  blatant hypocrisy doesn't go over well in this society.


Much like anything formulated by human mind, it depends who is running your church. Roman Catholic church had swung between tolerance and intolerance many time over many centuries. It's true of every single belief system. Pagans certainly do not have a high moral ground either.
 
2017-05-19 12:39:53 AM  

Sid_6.7: real_headhoncho: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Go back to the cesspool that is the rest of the internet, furry.


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2017-05-19 12:42:01 AM  

Sid_6.7: Darth_Lukecash: Sid_6.7: Why did the natural world always - so far as we know - obey laws of mathematics?

Show me evidence that a number exists, any number, and I'll believe in god.

*looks at challenge*
*Looks at User Name*
Ummm...Sid, ole buddy....you don't exist, i'm afraid.

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Funny, there's a post that quoted me, but other writing... that is strange.
 
2017-05-19 12:45:49 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Pagans certainly do not have a high moral ground either.


I never said we did.....gods know, we've got our problems with white power assholes perverting Norse mythology, among other things.  But here's the deal - you won't hear pagans selling you eternal salvation.  love potions maybe, sure....but eternal salvation and damnation?  not our thing.  Nor will we try to force our beliefs on you.  same sex marriage?  ok, sure thing!  can we bring flowers and mead?  abortion?  well...you probably should find other alternatives but its also not our place to judge so...let us know if you need help with anything and we'll do what we can to protect your rights.  we just don't have that impulse to dominate and control society like the christians are commanded to do.

someone comes to me and says "your gods SUCK!  and you're stupid for following them!".  my response is likely to be a shrug and 'meh'.  many pagans will likely do something similar.   that's all I'm saying.  we leave well enough alone and ask to be left alone in turn.  gooooooooood luck getting that same deal from the christians.
 
2017-05-19 12:53:50 AM  

Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash: Pagans certainly do not have a high moral ground either.

I never said we did.....gods know, we've got our problems with white power assholes perverting Norse mythology, among other things.  But here's the deal - you won't hear pagans selling you eternal salvation.  love potions maybe, sure....but eternal salvation and damnation?  not our thing.  Nor will we try to force our beliefs on you.  same sex marriage?  ok, sure thing!  can we bring flowers and mead?  abortion?  well...you probably should find other alternatives but its also not our place to judge so...let us know if you need help with anything and we'll do what we can to protect your rights.  we just don't have that impulse to dominate and control society like the christians are commanded to do.

someone comes to me and says "your gods SUCK!  and you're stupid for following them!".  my response is likely to be a shrug and 'meh'.  many pagans will likely do something similar.   that's all I'm saying.  we leave well enough alone and ask to be left alone in turn.  gooooooooood luck getting that same deal from the christians.


Tell it to this poor soul!
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2017-05-19 01:04:05 AM  
God is Japanese and into all sorts of insane sh*t.

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2017-05-19 01:05:16 AM  
I can guarantee that God exists.

My mailman, Tony. He's God.

He'll deny it, of course. Because faith is important to him, I assume. But he is. Prove me wrong.
 
2017-05-19 01:05:43 AM  
God isn't the problem.  The problems all lay with Religion.
 
2017-05-19 01:10:41 AM  
God is like Science.

Whatever is the most powerful being in the universe is, that is God. If you find a new being more powerful than the previous God, you have honed your understanding of God.

Science relies on evidence. If you have better evidence, you hone your understanding of reality.

It's pretty simple.
 
2017-05-19 01:13:58 AM  

bloobeary: If God does exist, and he's as all-powerful as claimed, then he's either an absentee landlord who let the place go to hell through deliberate apathy and neglect, or he's a sadistic bastard who enjoys how screwed up the world is.

Comforting thought, there.


Occam's razor insists god is simply an asshole.  It easily explains everything.
 
2017-05-19 01:15:04 AM  
I put this is the other god thread today:

If there is a god then they cant, or won't do anything for us, which is just as good as them not existing at all.
 
2017-05-19 01:15:36 AM  
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

That's it. Faith--well, of the Judeo-Christian variety, anyway--is not about proof or evidence; it's basically the opposite.

Now to be clear, that applies to God and the afterlife and similar things.
It is not a license to dismiss actual facts and evidence about the material world. This is where so many people get into trouble. You have your science for here and now to keep your car on the road, your water clean, your babies healthy, etc., and you have your faith to give you guidance in this life and hope for the next. And if you actually understand the real meaning of the rest of your holy book, you know it [faith] is not a license to be a jerkass in this world.

/I'm sure this will settle the argument
 
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