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(Heavy)   If Trump is impeached and removed from office, and some of his Cabinet goes with him, who would you like to see end up in the Oval Office? Subby's hope is for President Mad Dog Mattis   ( heavy.com) divider line
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2017-05-18 01:03:04 AM  
Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

I don't care which.

Bonus if one makes the other Veep.
 
2017-05-18 01:13:50 AM  
Angus King

When he was governor of my state, as an Independent, he got both the parties to do what he wanted.
 
2017-05-18 01:42:42 AM  

cman: Angus King

When he was governor of my state, as an Independent, he got both the parties to do what he wanted.


Never heard of him, but if he got both parties to work together, I'm in.
 
2017-05-18 01:43:36 AM  

Gig103: cman: Angus King

When he was governor of my state, as an Independent, he got both the parties to do what he wanted.

Never heard of him, but if he got both parties to work together, I'm in.


He's a Senator. You can catch him on MSNBC and CNN every other day
 
2017-05-18 01:55:32 AM  
How far down the line of succession do you have to go to get somebody sane, decent and honest? Go at least that far. Or if you can't find one, choose the funniest option.

For example, how about a middle-aged black janitor who empties the waste-paper baskets? I bet he has read a heck of a lot more briefings than the Thump-Head in Chief.
 
2017-05-18 01:59:20 AM  
Who I want to see in the Oval Office, in this order:
1) Microphone and recording device sweeping team (sweep entire building)
2) Fumigators (again, entire building)
3) Steem-Vac cleaner (all the carpets)
4) Furniture removal and disposal team (send the desk out for cleaning and restoration. Burn everything else)
5) Decorators (provide sample photo of Oval Office as Obama left it)
 
2017-05-18 02:04:14 AM  
Looking down the list of candidates, I think I would shoot everybody above Ben Carson, just to be on the safe side.

Elaine Chao would be appropriate I think.

One, she would be the first woman President. They always said it would be a Conservative.
Two, she would be the first Asian President. You could do worse.
Three, she was born in Taiwan. Pow! One in the eye for Chinese hackers.


Four, it would be cool to be able to shout:  LET CHAO REIGN SUPREME!

Yes, even without the "s", it is still a good sight gag.

I hope it is President Chao. But I bet you they could teach Ben Carson not to talk. Maybe he could communicate by Tweet.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!.

No seriously, when the impeachments are over, they should shut down Twitter and bury the code in a volcano.
 
2017-05-18 02:05:59 AM  
And here it is. An actual photograph, sent back through a time warp, showing the White House after Trump is impeached:

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2017-05-18 02:07:31 AM  
See that? The White House. And you thought the British trashed the place. Heck, no! They just set it on fire so it had to be painted to cover up the stains and soot.

Let me know if you can get the Mexicans to pay for it. I am sure you can get plenty of skilled and reliable workers to do the actual work, but the bills will be steep.
 
2017-05-18 02:09:06 AM  
The world remembers you in our prayers. And trust me, us atheists are praying along with the theists on this one.
 
2017-05-18 02:18:01 AM  
Zombie Barbra Jorden.
 
2017-05-18 02:34:35 AM  
I'd be happy with an actual dog.
 
2017-05-18 02:40:55 AM  
I'd also be happy with Al Franken.
 
2017-05-18 02:48:40 AM  
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2017-05-18 02:50:01 AM  
Me. I'm the only one you can trust, America. You need an impartial outsider. I'm really outside. And I'm totally impartial. I'll see everyone hang.
 
2017-05-18 02:56:09 AM  
Im fine with President Paul Ryan at this point, hes at least not a religious true believer, but he is an Ayn Rand lover.

No worse then bush, lame duck.

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2017-05-18 04:38:45 AM  

brantgoose: How far down the line of succession do you have to go to get somebody sane, decent and honest? Go at least that far. Or if you can't find one, choose the funniest option.


"I, Al Franken, do solemnly swear..."
 
2017-05-18 04:44:58 AM  
Is it possible that it might be Rex Tillerson? Pence knew about Flynn's conversations with Russia and Turkey, so he's deeply implicated the same as Trump is. Ryan knew of Russian money making its way into Trumps coffers

"House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy's assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.
Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: 'No leaks. ... This is how we know we're a real family here.' "


Uh huh, "family"... *cough RICO cough*

But Rex Tillerson was a private citizen, acting as a CEO of a company would. Only if he spoke with Russians under sanction would he be in trouble, unless I'm missing a piece? I hope i'm missing a piece.
 
2017-05-18 05:19:18 AM  
It's Hillary's turn.
 
2017-05-18 05:46:41 AM  
If he is impeached, I'd like to see Republican President Trump replaced with General Mattis, but five steps removed in the line of succession is a lot of people needing to get implicated along with Trump, to make it happen. That said, Orrin Hatch at #3 is a reasonable possibility. Consider that Pense may well be pushed in front of a bus by Trump, in a vain effort to save himself. Consider also that Paul Ryan has been caught on tape last summer trying to get House members to remain silent regarding Trump being on Putin's payroll. Both could easily be gone before Republican President Trump is booted out of office, which would leave Orrin Hatch to take up the Presidency.

Of course, all this assumes that a new VP hasn't been confirmed after Pense leaves, and before Trump is impeached and removed from office. That adds a whole new wrinkle into the discussion, in itself.
 
2017-05-18 06:53:31 AM  
This wasn't supposed to resemble a Tom Clancy novel, but here we are.

/And if Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan, she is disqualified unless she has American parents.
 
2017-05-18 07:03:40 AM  
Here's the current order 1-8, kinda feel like Hatch may be our best chance at a man who understands and cares about the gravity of the situation while being in good position to actually take the seat. Plus, then we get the Mormon White Horse prophecy fulfilled and who knows what happens then?
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2017-05-18 07:08:23 AM  
It'll be Orrin Hatch.

He is the only one that has no connections at all to the Trump campaign.

There might not be much of a cabinet left after this. Something like 45 of Nixon's underlings went to prison after Watergate. Anyone involved with Trump is going down with him, especially after he throws one after another under the bus.
 
2017-05-18 07:17:16 AM  

Ishkur: It'll be Orrin Hatch.

He is the only one that has no connections at all to the Trump campaign.

There might not be much of a cabinet left after this. Something like 45 of Nixon's underlings went to prison after Watergate. Anyone involved with Trump is going down with him, especially after he throws one after another under the bus.


I feel sorry for anyone on that bus. It's going to be a very bumpy ride.
 
2017-05-18 07:24:09 AM  
I'd be OK with Mattis.
 
2017-05-18 07:28:03 AM  
If you liked Erratic Trump your are gonna love True Believer Pence.

One of my happiest days was when Trump picked him and he could not longer harm Indiana.

But you people then elected Trump!

*Sobs*
 
2017-05-18 07:29:48 AM  
According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.
 
2017-05-18 07:31:46 AM  

damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.


If trump & anyone ho, pence will too. He's complicit as any of them
 
2017-05-18 07:34:37 AM  

damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.


This.
 
2017-05-18 07:36:13 AM  
RON PAUL
 
2017-05-18 07:36:48 AM  

damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.


Pense could well be one of those flunkies that goes down with, or before, Trump does. He was involved in the campaign, and I really doubt he was kept out of the loop in regards to Russia. Assuming, of course, that the Russia ties are proven.
 
2017-05-18 07:37:45 AM  
Mel Gibson with Charlie Sheen as vice president
 
2017-05-18 07:39:30 AM  

dittybopper: damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.

This.

Agree, but the question was who we would like to see, not who will probably end up there.  Just hope it isn't Pence.
 
2017-05-18 07:44:29 AM  
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Chill bro, I'm the prez.
 
2017-05-18 07:52:34 AM  

brantgoose: Looking down the list of candidates, I think I would shoot everybody above Ben Carson, just to be on the safe side.

Elaine Chao would be appropriate I think.

One, she would be the first woman President. They always said it would be a Conservative.
Two, she would be the first Asian President. You could do worse.
Three, she was born in Taiwan. Pow! One in the eye for Chinese hackers.


Four, it would be cool to be able to shout:  LET CHAO REIGN SUPREME!

Yes, even without the "s", it is still a good sight gag.

I hope it is President Chao. But I bet you they could teach Ben Carson not to talk. Maybe he could communicate by Tweet.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!.

No seriously, when the impeachments are over, they should shut down Twitter and bury the code in a volcano.


Yeah, that's gonna be a problem. Presidents have to be born in the US.
 
2017-05-18 07:55:01 AM  

SirSigsegV: Ishkur: It'll be Orrin Hatch.

He is the only one that has no connections at all to the Trump campaign.

There might not be much of a cabinet left after this. Something like 45 of Nixon's underlings went to prison after Watergate. Anyone involved with Trump is going down with him, especially after he throws one after another under the bus.

I feel sorry for anyone on that bus. It's going to be a very bumpy ride.


They chose to board it.
 
2017-05-18 07:55:53 AM  

Leader O'Cola: damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.

If trump & anyone ho, pence will too. He's complicit as any of them


But he would have to be separately impeached.  You impeach Trump, it has precisely zero legal impact on Pence.  He automatically becomes president.

Also, I wouldn't be too excited about impeaching Trump.  Payback is a biatch.  Look at the "nuclear option" for a perfect example of that:  Democrats did it for lower court appointees back when the Republicans were in the minority and using filibusters to block Obama nominees.  Then, when the Republicans took the Senate, they blocked Merrick Garland, Obama's choice to fill Scalia's seat, and when Trump nominated Neil Gorsuch and the Democrats were blocking that, the Senate changed the rules just like Harry Reid did, to include Supreme Court nominees in the "nuclear option".

Impeachment may well backfire, too, because if you manage impeach and remove Trump and it's viewed as payback for defeating Clinton*, that could cost the Democrats the presidency in 2020, or if it's after that, perhaps even in 2024.

The smartest thing for the Democrats to do is simply take control of Congress in 2018, or at least take the Senate, and then rack up reasons why the public shouldn't relect him.  In 2020, run a viable candidate who isn't Hillary Clinton (she's run twice and lost twice and honestly has too much political baggage at this point), and work to woo the Rust Belt back into the blue column by actually talking with them.  The Democrats largely ignored those states these last elections, and they paid the price for it.

*Remember how Bill Clinton's impeachment was spun as for "getting a blowjob in the Oval Office", when in fact it was for lying under oath and suborning perjury in a civil trial where his fidelity or lack thereof was material to the issue at hand?  The Republicans could muddy the debate similarly.
 
2017-05-18 08:11:22 AM  

Missicat: dittybopper: damageddude: According to the Constitution, Pence. Just because Trump and some of his cabinet officials go, it doesn't mean the order of succession changes.

This.
Agree, but the question was who we would like to see, not who will probably end up there.  Just hope it isn't Pence.


It will be Pence.  There is no other possible option.  There are precisely *ZERO* Democrats in the line of succession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succ​e​ssion

1    Vice President                             Mike Pence (R)
2    Speaker of the House of Representatives    Paul Ryan (R)
3    President pro tempore of the Senate        Orrin Hatch (R)
4    Secretary of State                         Rex Tillerson (R)
5    Secretary of the Treasury                  Steven Mnuchin (R)
6    Secretary of Defense                       James Mattis (I)
7    Attorney General                           Jeff Sessions (R)
8    Secretary of the Interior                  Ryan Zinke (R)
9    Secretary of Agriculture                   Sonny Perdue (R)
10    Secretary of Commerce                     Wilbur Ross (R)
11    Secretary of Labor                        Alex Acosta (R)
12    Secretary of Health and Human Services    Tom Price (R)
13    Secretary of Housing and Urban Developmnt Ben Carson (R)
-    Secretary of Transportation                Elaine Chao (R) <-can't be president*
14    Secretary of Energy                       Rick Perry (R)
15    Secretary of Education                    Betsy DeVos (R)
16    Secretary of Veterans Affairs             David Shulkin (I)
17    Secretary of Homeland Security            John F. Kelly (I)



You can fantasize all you want about whatever Democrat could take the office, but it's just not going to happen until, at the very earliest, January 20th, 2021.  If it *DOES* happen, that means something very, very, *VERY* wrong has happened.

It's literally the kind of thing you don't want to happen in the US. It would be, in essence, a coup.  And you really don't want to go there.


*Elaine Chao isn't a natural born citizen of the United States, she was born in Taiwan and subsequently immigrated to the US at 8 years old, and later became a citizen.  Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen, or a citizen when the Constitution was ratified.  Obviously, neither apply in her case, so while her position is in the line of succession, she herself is ineligible.  It would take a constitutional amendment to change that restriction.
 
2017-05-18 08:20:33 AM  

Nogale: brantgoose: Looking down the list of candidates, I think I would shoot everybody above Ben Carson, just to be on the safe side.

Elaine Chao would be appropriate I think.

One, she would be the first woman President. They always said it would be a Conservative.
Two, she would be the first Asian President. You could do worse.
Three, she was born in Taiwan. Pow! One in the eye for Chinese hackers.


Four, it would be cool to be able to shout:  LET CHAO REIGN SUPREME!

Yes, even without the "s", it is still a good sight gag.

I hope it is President Chao. But I bet you they could teach Ben Carson not to talk. Maybe he could communicate by Tweet.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!.

No seriously, when the impeachments are over, they should shut down Twitter and bury the code in a volcano.

Yeah, that's gonna be a problem. Presidents have to be born in the US.


If it is President Chao, it means she is illegitimate under the supreme law of the land.

That is actually "vote from the rooftops" territory, because it means that the Constitution isn't valid anymore, and the institutions that protect it like the courts can no longer be relied upon to enforce its restrictions. It would (absent an amendment to the Constitution allowing it before she takes office, which is about as likely as me getting elected president) be a coup.   That's not a place you really want to be.
 
2017-05-18 08:21:53 AM  

Ishkur: It'll be Orrin Hatch.

He is the only one that has no connections at all to the Trump campaign.

There might not be much of a cabinet left after this. Something like 45 of Nixon's underlings went to prison after Watergate. Anyone involved with Trump is going down with him, especially after he throws one after another under the bus.


If you read up on Hatch, he seems to be a pretty moderate Republican. He can change his position with the times and keep kind of abreast of tech. Not bad for an 80 year old.
I'm more worried that he wouldn't accept and the wheel has to keep spinning further down the list.
 
2017-05-18 08:25:53 AM  
You know that if Pence becomes the President that he's going to appoint Cruz as his VP, and Congress will go for it. That would be the best insurance appointment for him, like Cheney was for Bush.
 
2017-05-18 08:34:37 AM  

MmmmBacon: That said, Orrin Hatch at #3 is a reasonable possibility


I dearly hope you don't mean "reasonable" as in "he would make a reasonable president".

He is a horrible person who generally supports horrible policies (linky clicky), although I do give him cred for the Manhattan mosque kerfluffle.
 
2017-05-18 08:41:14 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: MmmmBacon: That said, Orrin Hatch at #3 is a reasonable possibility

I dearly hope you don't mean "reasonable" as in "he would make a reasonable president".

He is a horrible person who generally supports horrible policies (linky clicky), although I do give him cred for the Manhattan mosque kerfluffle.


They're all horrible people, it's just a matter of picking one who's slightly less horrible, but at least values the constitution, and the republic.
 
2017-05-18 09:24:30 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: MmmmBacon: That said, Orrin Hatch at #3 is a reasonable possibility

I dearly hope you don't mean "reasonable" as in "he would make a reasonable president".

He is a horrible person who generally supports horrible policies (linky clicky), although I do give him cred for the Manhattan mosque kerfluffle.


I'm not trying to pick an argument, I'm genuinely curious. What do you see as 'horrible'? The only thing that really stands out to me is his take on homosexuality, which evolved over time, from "They couldn't be teachers,", to the later milquetoast, "They're people and deserve benefits but I have to cater to the evangelicals," of Civil Unions.

His other standout arguments are about the Philly Buster and USSC noms, but those have been bitter arguments over the last decade and a half regardless of which side you're on.
 
2017-05-18 09:24:56 AM  

Missicat: Agree, but the question was who we would like to see, not who will probably end up there.


Then OP should have impeached Pence while he was at it.

dittybopper: Democrat could take the office, but it's just not going to happen until, at the very earliest, January 20th, 2021. I


Not necessarily, IF the Dems take back the House in '18, then the Speaker becomes a (D). Then if Trump and Pence are impeached at the same time/ or a new (R) VP isn't in place when both go down, a (D) could move into the Oval.

More likely, Trump steps down, Pence gives pardons to all, gets a (R) VP and then holds on when the shiat show happens.
 
2017-05-18 09:35:41 AM  
Gene Masseth.
 
2017-05-18 10:56:45 AM  

starsrift: a_room_with_a_moose: MmmmBacon: That said, Orrin Hatch at #3 is a reasonable possibility

I dearly hope you don't mean "reasonable" as in "he would make a reasonable president".

He is a horrible person who generally supports horrible policies (linky clicky), although I do give him cred for the Manhattan mosque kerfluffle.

I'm not trying to pick an argument, I'm genuinely curious. What do you see as 'horrible'? The only thing that really stands out to me is his take on homosexuality, which evolved over time, from "They couldn't be teachers,", to the later milquetoast, "They're people and deserve benefits but I have to cater to the evangelicals," of Civil Unions.

His other standout arguments are about the Philly Buster and USSC noms, but those have been bitter arguments over the last decade and a half regardless of which side you're on.


Among other things that I loath about him:
-his efforts to bring more christians and mormons into the GOP, shifting that party even further to the right
-his work to get the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act passed, which seriously undermined habeus corpus laws
-his constant work to stack the SCOTUS with conservative justices
-his constant wasting of time and money sponsoring the Balanced Budge Amendment (17 times and pants-on-head stupid)
-the Hatch-Waxman Act that was to increase access to generic drugs, but in actuality, extended patent protections for pharmaceutical companies
-his stance on LBGT rights
-he recently voted against privacy protections online and via telecommunications (S.J.Res.34 - 115th Congress)
-his support of the Fair Housing Act (which was anything but)

Occasionally he falls out on the proper side of an issue, such as stem cell research and The Equal Opportunity to Govern amendment, but all taken in all, I fervently disagree with most of his positions.
 
2017-05-18 11:07:27 AM  
Remember when Reagan was shot and Alexander Haig went on national television to let America know that he was in charge when in reality he wasn't. Good times.
 
2017-05-18 11:23:34 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: (list of stuff)

Occasionally he falls out on the proper side of an issue, such as stem cell research and The Equal Opportunity to Govern amendment, but all taken in all, I fervently disagree with most of his positions.


Okiedokies, cool. Thanks for answering. :)
 
2017-05-18 12:19:52 PM  
I don't know about Mad Dog Mattis. Too bad Mad Dog Vachon is Canadian. And dead.
 
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