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(Fark)   Is any modern actor as badass with a sword as Toshihiro Mifune or Errol Flynn were?   ( fark.com) divider line
    More: Unlikely, modern choreography standards, Phantom Menace fights, Japanese cinema tradition, old school Hollywood, Howard Hill, Archery, Damnation, Stunt  
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2017-05-17 10:18:11 PM  
No. Check "Hidden Fortress" for Mifune with sword on horseback in full gallop. Rare actor indeed.
 
2017-05-17 10:39:03 PM  
Hayden Christensen

/runs
 
2017-05-17 10:40:48 PM  
Basil Rathbone and Tyrone Power were apparently very accomplished fencers.  Rathbone was regarded by many as the best swordsman in Hollywood.
 
2017-05-17 10:41:35 PM  
No, (at least in Western cinema) because modern choreography standards, audience expectations, and insurance issues make it essentially impossible.

As a rule, western fight people are, "actors who learn to fight".  In the Chinese and Japanese cinema tradition, fight people are "fighters who learn how to act".  It's a matter of what you spend your first 15 years doing.

Errol Flynn wasn't "badass with a sword", btw.  He *looked* badass.  Everything people bitach about happening in The Phantom Menace fights?  Flynn did it 80 years prior, and did it so much that batting the swords together with no intent to strike the other person is actually CALLED "flynning".
 
2017-05-17 10:43:37 PM  
Been studying sword for stage for 25 years.
I fight.

Good is a matter of training, rehearsal, camera work, editing, and sweat.

Look at the fight on the cliffs of insanity.
 
2017-05-17 10:46:02 PM  
My folks knew "Howard Hill" an archer. When I was 9 or so, I took archery lessons from him.
He was old at that time (70 or up)..and old school Hollywood. He did the stunts for Robin Hood and others.
One of the stories he mentioned was that in some of the westerns. He'd have to hit a wooden block at specific point under a stunt man's costume to get the shot.

Master Archer - Howard Hill
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2017-05-17 10:53:55 PM  

optikeye: My folks knew "Howard Hill" an archer. When I was 9 or so, I took archery lessons from him.
He was old at that time (70 or up)..and old school Hollywood. He did the stunts for Robin Hood and others.
One of the stories he mentioned was that in some of the westerns. He'd have to hit a wooden block at specific point under a stunt man's costume to get the shot.

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I've heard of Howard Hill, he was the go to archer in Hollywood for archery stunts.  I remember the Mythbusters even featured him in one of their myths.
 
2017-05-17 10:56:31 PM  

FightDirector: No, (at least in Western cinema) because modern choreography standards, audience expectations, and insurance issues make it essentially impossible.

As a rule, western fight people are, "actors who learn to fight".  In the Chinese and Japanese cinema tradition, fight people are "fighters who learn how to act".  It's a matter of what you spend your first 15 years doing.

Errol Flynn wasn't "badass with a sword", btw.  He *looked* badass.  Everything people bitach about happening in The Phantom Menace fights?  Flynn did it 80 years prior, and did it so much that batting the swords together with no intent to strike the other person is actually CALLED "flynning".


Flynning - TV Tropes

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2017-05-17 11:20:06 PM  

vudukungfu: Been studying sword for stage for 25 years.
I fight.

Good is a matter of training, rehearsal, camera work, editing, and sweat.

Look at the fight on the cliffs of insanity.


There are some good behind the scenes videos on You Tube of Cary Elwes and Mandy Pantinkin talking about all of the work they put into their fencing for "The Princess Bride."  This is a decent one, unfortunately I can't find the one where they talk about how they started training months before filming began and then once they started shooting the swordmaster would have them practice for hours after after they'd wrapped on set for the day.

The Princess Bride - MY NAME IS INIGO MONTOYA!
Youtube FnhOe1k7hTU
 
2017-05-17 11:21:03 PM  
I hear some of those guys were just as impressive with their letter openers.
 
2017-05-17 11:41:55 PM  
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2017-05-18 12:00:52 AM  
There can be only one

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2017-05-18 12:51:24 AM  
I might argue Gordon Liu. Or Jackie Chan. Or even Sammo Hung. All three of those mofos have done amazing stuntwork on their own. The latter two, often in semi-comedic roles, but BOTH of them did a HUGE amount of their own stuntwork, that neither Mifune nor Flynn ever thought about doing the sorts of stunts that Chan and Hung just riffed.
 
2017-05-18 01:34:16 AM  
Last duel in Rob Roy.
 
2017-05-18 02:29:33 AM  
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2017-05-18 05:30:27 AM  
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2017-05-18 05:36:41 AM  
No. Although http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331577/?ref_=tt_cl_t7  Luke Goss wasn't bad in Hellboy II.
 
2017-05-18 05:39:38 AM  

Polish Hussar: Basil Rathbone and Tyrone Power were apparently very accomplished fencers.  Rathbone was regarded by many as the best swordsman in Hollywood.


Pretty much this, it's sad the way Rathbone burned out.
 
2017-05-18 05:50:21 AM  

whither_apophis: Hayden Christensen

/runs


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2017-05-18 05:53:44 AM  

spiralscratch: whither_apophis: Hayden Christensen

/runs

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slap fight!
 
2017-05-18 06:48:59 AM  

hubiestubert: I might argue Gordon Liu. Or Jackie Chan. Or even Sammo Hung. All three of those mofos have done amazing stuntwork on their own. The latter two, often in semi-comedic roles, but BOTH of them did a HUGE amount of their own stuntwork, that neither Mifune nor Flynn ever thought about doing the sorts of stunts that Chan and Hung just riffed.



Those Shaw Brothers regulars were all fantastic swordsmen.

My favorite is Heroes Of The East (aka Shaolin Versus Ninja) where Liu fights Japanese using a dozen Chinese weapons and techniques against a dozen traditional Japanese ones.

Gordon Liu traditional sword technique
Youtube dz0_gj6RROw


Switches to 2handed Japanese wide stance about 30 seconds in.
 
2017-05-18 07:04:43 AM  

WyDave: I hear some of those guys were just as impressive with their letter openers.


Then again, Errol Flynn knew Donald O'Connor and probably had his own theatre.
 
2017-05-18 07:29:31 AM  
Christopher Lee.  There is some story of him with Errol Flynn or some other actor where the actor is getting mad because Lee isn't holding his sword right.  Lee then cuts the actor to show him how to really fight with a sword.
 
2017-05-18 07:44:01 AM  

Polish Hussar: vudukungfu: Been studying sword for stage for 25 years.
I fight.

Good is a matter of training, rehearsal, camera work, editing, and sweat.

Look at the fight on the cliffs of insanity.

There are some good behind the scenes videos on You Tube of Cary Elwes and Mandy Pantinkin talking about all of the work they put into their fencing for "The Princess Bride."  This is a decent one, unfortunately I can't find the one where they talk about how they started training months before filming began and then once they started shooting the swordmaster would have them practice for hours after after they'd wrapped on set for the day.

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You should read Cary Elwes book "As You Wish"...actually, listen to it...Cary reads it himself.  It's a great account of the making of the movie...

It includes a lot about their training for the fight scenes and how the fight choreographers wanted the Cliffs of Insanity scene to actually look like the best sword fight of the century.
 
2017-05-18 07:51:16 AM  
Not sure but I know the Keanu Reeves is actually pretty good with a gun.

Keanu Reeves 'John Wick 2' Weapons Training
Youtube QnB07wnDJL8
 
2017-05-18 08:17:12 AM  

Chris Ween: Christopher Lee.  There is some story of him with Errol Flynn or some other actor where the actor is getting mad because Lee isn't holding his sword right.  Lee then cuts the actor to show him how to really fight with a sword.


Christopher Lee was just badass all around, anyway.
 
2017-05-18 08:56:34 AM  

xanadian: Chris Ween: Christopher Lee.  There is some story of him with Errol Flynn or some other actor where the actor is getting mad because Lee isn't holding his sword right.  Lee then cuts the actor to show him how to really fight with a sword.

Christopher Lee was just badass all around, anyway.


I wonder if any of the stuff he did during WWII will be declassified during our lifetimes.
 
2017-05-18 09:00:31 AM  

Polish Hussar: Basil Rathbone and Tyrone Power were apparently very accomplished fencers.  Rathbone was regarded by many as the best swordsman in Hollywood.


Supposedly, Rathbone himself always said that Danny Kaye of all people was probably the best swordsman
he ever dueled with on screen.
 
2017-05-18 09:15:49 AM  
"No!"

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2017-05-18 09:23:03 AM  

xanadian: Chris Ween: Christopher Lee.  There is some story of him with Errol Flynn or some other actor where the actor is getting mad because Lee isn't holding his sword right.  Lee then cuts the actor to show him how to really fight with a sword.

Christopher Lee was just badass all around, anyway.


My favorite Lee story is Peter Jackson trying to tell him how to act when he's stabbed in the back for LOTR and Lee is all like yeah, yeah I'm pretty familiar with what a guy stabbed in the back and dying sounds like.
 
2017-05-18 10:19:33 AM  

Egoy3k: Not sure but I know the Keanu Reeves is actually pretty good with a gun.

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I remember seeing an interview with the weapons trainer for Mr. and Mrs. Smith.  he said that Angelina Jolie could walk onto any SWAT team in the United States and be up to par.  He gave no such endorsement of Brad Pitt or any of the other people he worked with on other films.
 
2017-05-18 10:32:03 AM  

FightDirector: No, (at least in Western cinema) because modern choreography standards, audience expectations, and insurance issues make it essentially impossible.

As a rule, western fight people are, "actors who learn to fight".  In the Chinese and Japanese cinema tradition, fight people are "fighters who learn how to act".  It's a matter of what you spend your first 15 years doing.

Errol Flynn wasn't "badass with a sword", btw.  He *looked* badass.  Everything people bitach about happening in The Phantom Menace fights?  Flynn did it 80 years prior, and did it so much that batting the swords together with no intent to strike the other person is actually CALLED "flynning".


Came to question subby on the subject of "Flynning."
 
2017-05-18 10:33:35 AM  

djkutch: Last duel in Rob Roy.


Might be the most realistic sword fight in a major motion picture.
 
2017-05-18 10:37:46 AM  

Fano: djkutch: Last duel in Rob Roy.

Might be the most realistic sword fight in a major motion picture.


It was damn fun to watch, for sure.  And one of the more quiet and calculated duels I've seen.
 
2017-05-18 11:35:53 AM  
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2017-05-18 01:37:44 PM  

Polish Hussar: There are some good behind the scenes videos on You Tube of Cary Elwes and Mandy Pantinkin talking about all of the work they put into their fencing for "The Princess Bride." This is a decent one, unfortunately I can't find the one where they talk about how they started training months before filming began and then once they started shooting the swordmaster would have them practice for hours after after they'd wrapped on set for the day.


Came here to say this.  I read Cary Elwes' book where he described the training they went through.  Twice, because they had to learn right- and left-handed dueling.
 
2017-05-18 02:23:04 PM  

KJUW89: Polish Hussar: There are some good behind the scenes videos on You Tube of Cary Elwes and Mandy Pantinkin talking about all of the work they put into their fencing for "The Princess Bride." This is a decent one, unfortunately I can't find the one where they talk about how they started training months before filming began and then once they started shooting the swordmaster would have them practice for hours after after they'd wrapped on set for the day.

Came here to say this.  I read Cary Elwes' book where he described the training they went through.  Twice, because they had to learn right- and left-handed dueling.


One of the videos I came across was a clip from 60 Minutes where Mandy Pantinkin said that even though he's right-handed, he ended up being better at fencing left-handed:

Sword fighting stories from "The Princess Bride"
Youtube mvFcfZ2LBJQ
 
2017-05-18 04:07:14 PM  
I would not want to fark with Toshiro Mifune... in fact, I wouldn't shoot him either... it might just make him mad.

Mifune: The Last Samurai | Official Trailer - Toshiro Mifune Documentary [HD]
Youtube k6iOrVSXWrA
 
2017-05-18 06:36:24 PM  
Not modern per se, but Chris Lee.  My feeling is that in a fight for SURVIVAL, if he couldn't beat someone w/ a sword, he'd have found "another path".
 
2017-05-18 10:23:51 PM  
Google Anthony DeLongis. Amazing body of work.
 
2017-05-19 12:54:23 AM  
The videos in this thread are awesome.
 
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