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2004-05-18 08:13:44 AM
farking n00b

hey people used to think if they ride the train exceeding 27 kmph they will slip into coma.... :)



/my flowers are beautiful
 
2004-05-18 08:13:52 AM
peter_hook
I seriously doubt that such a phenomenon is going to have objectivity on either side. The selfish people either want to smoke it, or keep people from smoking it.


I'm not sure if you'll believe me but I've never tried pot and I don't want to ever try it. I think that people who smoke or drink (or eat the wrong kinds of food and get fat, or who don't exercise, or who listen to rap music) are idiots. I think they are morons and I wouldn't care if they all died.

But I still think they have a right to do whatever they want so long as it does not deny someone else that same liberty.
 
2004-05-18 08:14:04 AM
dukefluke

Is it chocolate cake?
 
2004-05-18 08:14:10 AM
The article isn't online in a format I can see without paying for it (damn local paper charges to see its archives).

A 4-year-old weighs 12 kg. The average adult weighs 70 kg. That's more than five times the 4-year-old's body weight. It's a known fact that the strenght of a drug's effect varies with the user's weight. Plus it's highly unlikely that a four-year-old would have taken cannabis before.

The coma and the death are not neccessarily related - the death could have been from a heart attack, since cannabis increases your heart rate (and of coruse, it was a huge dose for such a small person).

Anyway, I mention the case, not to say people shouldn't use cannabis, but to point out that the belief that it's never killed anyone is wrong. In this case, the use of the drug was accidental. By all means, smoke it, eat it, whatever, but stay safe. Don't feed it to someone who doesn't know what they're getting in to, and don't drive while high.

One thing I didn't mention was that there was also a nine-year-old involved, who survived.
 
2004-05-18 08:15:42 AM
dukefluke

Here you go...

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n157/a07.html
 
2004-05-18 08:17:37 AM
I'd smoke to that.
 
2004-05-18 08:18:28 AM
lance-m
My neighbor's cousin was hit and killed by a driver that was high out of his mind. Better not tell him that weed never killed anyone because he's a pretty big guy with pretty big fists, my neighbor is.

Alcohol is legal. Driving drunk is not. If smoking pot becomes legal, driving while high will still be illegal. Why don't people get this?

It is not the drug that kills people, it is idiot people using the drug who kill people. Same thing with alcohol. Same thing with sleep deprevation. Put someone drunk or exhausted behind the wheel and they too will kill.

Marijuana is no more dangerous than what is currently legal. In fact, it is probably less dangerous. Much of the danger comes from it being illegal, and if it were legalized, it could be regulated properly, like alcohol and tobacco.
 
2004-05-18 08:18:42 AM
hrm. well.. time to wiegh in. Hey, according to Health Canada, its 5x as much tar, not 7x FWIW. Anycase, my opinion: keep it illegal, I though I support decriminalization. The government has a responsibility to reduce social harms, not increase them. Rather than arguing the somewhat backwards point that "alcohol is bad for us, lets make pot legal", we should be saying "alcohol is bad for us, lets try to lower the drinking rate". Comparisons to cigarettes are equally flawed; as our governments have been slowly trying to run the smoke companies out of business.
 
2004-05-18 08:19:59 AM
most is just a mild anaesthetic, sure some grass will trip you out too

i smoked it for about ..ooh.. that long, enjoyed it, thought i was enjoying life, gave it up, went back to really enjoying life, making decisions, having a fully working memory, setting and achieving goals that others would find tough and most importantly having far more freedom of thought

whether it's legal or not is immaterial because it is widely available and does not stigmatize the users in their own eyes at all

i have no vested interest in whether it is legal or otherwise, whether people use it or otherwise, these are just my take on my experiences
 
2004-05-18 08:20:26 AM
cowman

But how is cannabis usage a social harm? For that matter, how are alcohol use, chocolate use, or coffee use social harms? What defines that?
 
2004-05-18 08:21:30 AM
get a vaporizor = no tar problem
make pot-butter = no tar problem
 
2004-05-18 08:23:33 AM
I've lost far more productivity to FARK than I ever would have to drugs. There are some days I'm surprised I get any work done at all. You think you are done Farking but there is one more link, one mroe thread, one more flamewar, and before you know it you've wasted the day.
 
2004-05-18 08:23:58 AM
Just playing devil's advocate here...

If an alcohol drinker dies from doing something stupid while drunk, the death is caused by alcohol.

If you agree with that, then you must also agree that when cannabis users die from doing stupid things while they're hight, the death is caused by cannabis.

Now, most pro-cannabis activists seem to go on about how alcohol causes so many deaths on the roads.

(Oh, and the Web MD article doesn't say nobody's ever died from cannabis, just that it doesn't cause cancer in the short term. It also says a longer term study is needed before a definitive answer can be reached.)
 
2004-05-18 08:24:29 AM
soporific
I've lost far more productivity to FARK than I ever would have to drugs.

Regulate it, tax the hell out of it?
 
2004-05-18 08:26:24 AM
n00b - "If an alcohol drinker dies from doing something stupid while drunk, the death is caused by alcohol."

Not true. It's recorded as "Death by misadventure", usually. So that's another theory of yours that's fallen over.
 
2004-05-18 08:26:25 AM
cowman

responsibility to reduce social harms

so what if I live in a country with a government that vilifies gays? There are some consequneces to being gay besides being fabulous. If it can reduce percieved social harm could we kill all the fags?

What about blacks? Jews? Whiteys?

How about fat people?

cause there are social harms. And what is perceieved as a social harm isn't manipulated by media at all.

Jews poisoned wells and used christian baby's blood for their matzo.
Blacks rape white women with their sexual prowess.
Gays rape boys.

These are all standard memes the media fomented at one point or another. DOesn't matter if the media is state or privately controlled.

Any time you ban something you open the risk to something else being banned. You decrease the opportunity cost to the act of banning something, you create an entrenched interest group that wants lots of money and bigger budgets. You remove constitutional protections. Plus a host of other negative consequences.

One might say that the true social harm of banning social harms is the act itself.
 
2004-05-18 08:26:37 AM
hey hey hey
this drugs and terrorism link is dangerous brain washing shiat you need expell from your head. terrorism exsists because some people will go to any extent for thier beliefs. the Taliban had no drugs in afganistan. try getting afgani hash in amsterdam today no problem. Peolpe smoking daily all day sit next to you at work and in traffic. they are in shiaty beater cars and slick caddies. 50 year old white women smoking on the streets of your town maybe even your moms, yeah her too.

why do think the brain has a little spot just for the THC to sit down and chill for...
 
2004-05-18 08:27:31 AM
People who snitch on the people who do like to smoke suck ass! People who enforce said laws suck ass!
 
2004-05-18 08:27:50 AM
farking n00b
If an alcohol drinker dies from doing something stupid while drunk, the death is caused by alcohol.

No, the cause of death is running in front of a train, getting stabbed, or other such stupidity. Unless they get alcohol poisoning. If they die in a car accident due to drunk driving, the cause of death is "puntured lung" or something. However, you can trace the cause of the accident to intoxication, furthermore to intoxication due to alcohol.

When people say no one has died from cannabis, they mean that there's no such thing as a cannabis overdose. There's no recorded death from "cannabis overdose" or "cannabis poisoning." If you want a list of deaths from alcohol poisoning, go as around at a local college...
 
2004-05-18 08:28:10 AM
I also know a lot of Christians who were/are pot users.

Yes. Alot of us are. God doesn't have any more of a problem with someone smoking a joint than drinking a cup of coffee. If that joint or that cup of coffee becomes so important that it distances you from God, then he has a problem with it.
 
2004-05-18 08:29:55 AM
Whether or not smoking pot causes psychological trauma, this article proves one thing:

Pot smokers are losers.

Whether losers are more likely to smoke pot or whether pot smoking makes you a loser is open to debate.
 
2004-05-18 08:30:53 AM
a person who is not used to smoking at all will get nauseous from any smoking,,be it tobacco or pot.
IMO the stuff should be legalised,taxed just like tobacco and alcohol.
Oh and the terrorism links. The US govt supports terrorism.
The CIA is heavily involved in training and arming "freedom fighters" in other countries.
They are also heavily involved in the international drug trade. One of the main reasons we went to Afghanistan was to stop the Taliban from burning the poppy fields. In 2001 the heroin production in Afghanistan had dropped 96%. The only people growing it were the people in the lands controlled by the northern alliance. The drug warlords were happy to see us come in and remove the Taliban.
It's estimated the CIA funnels 500 billion in drug money into the economy a year. Oh yeah Bush wanted to put an oil pipeline in Afghanistan too..So that's another reason we went in.
Recommended reading: Truth and lies of 9-11

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
 
2004-05-18 08:31:07 AM
hey hey hey
this drugs and terrorism link is dangerous brain washing shiat you need expell from your head. terrorism exsists because some people will go to any extent for thier beliefs. the Taliban had no drugs in afganistan. try getting afgani hash in amsterdam today no problem. Peolpe smoking daily all day sit next to you at work and in traffic. they are in shiaty beater cars and slick caddies. 50 year old white women smoking on the streets of your town maybe even your moms, yeah her too.

why do think the brain has a little spot just for the THC to sit down and chill for...


Really the most dangerous side effect of smoking too much weed is that you begin to speak and type like this...
 
2004-05-18 08:31:13 AM
Magnificent_Bastard

Steve Jobs smoked pot.
 
2004-05-18 08:31:48 AM
MHO in the briefest terms:

1. No it isn't perfectly harmless
2. It's seriously less dangerous than alcohol, which is legal
3. We have William Randolph Hearst to thank for its initial demonization in this country, which apparently worked so well we still can't dislodge it.
4. It's been more than two decades since I last smoked it, but if by some miracle it gets legalized before I die, you'll be lucky to get ahead of me in line.
 
2004-05-18 08:31:56 AM
They did find a good reason, but then forgot what it was. And then microwaved an unopened package of hot dogs for ten minutes.

Great pic, Redroom. Really captures the moment.

/was free to play, now paid too much to risk it
 
2004-05-18 08:33:05 AM
OK this is rediculous, when I submit the very same farking link I would assume that when someone else tries it would give them the "Farked up" message. Why did this go through??? When mine obviously didn't. I thought maybe they just changed MY headline but I don't have any link credits.

WHAT A FARKING CROCK

/ok I'm through with my daily rant about the evils of not being total fark... however I will not become total fark until I accomplish a link being added while NOT total fark.
 
2004-05-18 08:33:10 AM
Magnificent_Bastard

George W Bush and Bill Clinton smoked pot.
 
2004-05-18 08:34:18 AM
DukeFluke is right about people being more carefull in traffic when they're stoned. It was on tv too. That means it HAS to be true!
 
2004-05-18 08:34:20 AM
drivinghiway61 - regardless of how much one smokes per week, there is a health impact related to inhaling ash into your lungs, just as cigarettes. Alcohol hurts your liver and stomach. Supporting someone suffering from related medical conditions not only shortens their life, but can/is a burden on those around them who have to care for them.

just as a point aside, occassional smoker, borderline alcoholic, but so is the life of a student.
 
2004-05-18 08:34:23 AM
hell barjockey, the big J didn't see much problem with partying...

it was only his disciples and the CHURCH that took issue with it.

but you knew that already
 
2004-05-18 08:34:30 AM
Threemagicnumber

No one cares. Go smoke a joint.
 
2004-05-18 08:35:48 AM
cowman

I don't understand how physical harm is equal to social harm...
 
2004-05-18 08:36:00 AM
dukefluke: Not true. It's recorded as "Death by misadventure", usually.

So you'd agree then that the pro-legalization argument about alcohol being worse because it causes death on the roads is flawed? Because if you bothered quoting the entirity of that post, you'd see where I was heading with that.


BTW, where I live, it's legal to have three plants for your own personal use. Well not quite legal - if they catch you, they take it away from you and make you pay a fine. But you won't get a criminal record. Personally, I agree with the personal use bit - if people are allowed to grow a plant or three themselves, it means they're not buying it from a dealer.

Which means two things:

(1) They're less likely to start using harder, more dangerous drugs (the only reason marijuana is a "gateway drug" is that dealers push harder stuff onto their weed customers). Whatever your feelings on marijuana, you'd have to be a total moran to think things like crack and heroin are safe.

(2) They're not going to break into my car and steal from me to pay for their next fix.
 
2004-05-18 08:36:16 AM
The only sollutions is to BAN EVERYTHING that way we are all safe! No drugs, no alcohol, no unregisterd sex, no using power tools, no driving and most of all NO VOTING! That way the world will be a safer place.
 
2004-05-18 08:36:33 AM
Pot = not legal because of ineffective taxation strategies. Any questions?

/Don't believe the hype...
 
2004-05-18 08:36:44 AM
Dammit!!!

We gotta KEEP TESTING POT until we find out how it hurts people. We KNOW it is evil, being the devil weed and all, we just have to find the proof.

Maybe the proof is with the WMD stockpiles?

Seriously this is messed up. Science keeps showing pot is no worse than alchohol, but it is treated like plutonium-laced heroin.
 
2004-05-18 08:38:25 AM
2004-05-18 08:36:44 AM SpectroBoy
Dammit!!!
We gotta KEEP TESTING POT until we find out how it hurts people.


Most of Fark is already on the case.
 
2004-05-18 08:39:28 AM
farking n00b
So you'd agree then that the pro-legalization argument about alcohol being worse because it causes death on the roads is flawed? Because if you bothered quoting the entirity of that post, you'd see where I was heading with that.

You're missing the point. Drunk driving kills many people, just as stoned driving would likely kill many people. The point being made here is that alcohol causes much more physical harm than cannabis to the user. Note I say the user, not others. Alcohol in and of itself can kill a person quite easily. Cannabis can not, unless one can successfully consume the lethal dosage.
 
2004-05-18 08:40:29 AM
I refuse to comment on this thread on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.
 
2004-05-18 08:41:58 AM
mahuba;

you'll have a harder time showing the causuality between being gay and raping little boys, lol.
 
2004-05-18 08:42:17 AM
Smoking pots generally mean you've overheated the oil.

Which can result in very nasty splash burns when you add the diced chicken.
 
2004-05-18 08:42:25 AM
Vengeful_Hobbit

Looks like whoever submitted the headline didn't really read the article all the way through...
One consistent finding among the studies was that young people who reported using cannabis were more likely to have attained a lower educational level than their non-cannabis using peers. Cannabis users were also more likely to report an increased use of other illicit drugs
It's called amotivational syndrome. Seems like a pretty good reason not to smoke pot to me.


Nooo, I'm pretty sure it was you who didn't read the whole article through. It goes on to state that while pot users tend to do worse in school/have a higher per-capita instance of mental problems, that pot itself couldn't be shown to be the cause of said problems. It's entirely possible that people more likely to smoke weed are already more likely to fail school or develop mental illness.

"There is a great deal of evidence that cannabis use is associated with [social/psychological issues], but this association could have several explanations" = INCONCLUSIVE
 
2004-05-18 08:44:10 AM
plutonium-laced heroin.

I live in The Netherlands and I could have sworn that is a helluva name for a new breed of weed. Only you would have to add the words Skunk, haze, or bud to the end.
 
2004-05-18 08:45:26 AM
drivinghighway61:
You're missing the point. Drunk driving kills many people, just as stoned driving would likely kill many people. The point being made here is that alcohol causes much more physical harm than cannabis to the user. Note I say the user, not others.

Indeed. I'm not missing the point, I was debunking a commonly used argument for full legalisation. At least, an argument I see commonly, usually on those lists of "effects of pot vs. effects of alcohol". It usually goes along the lines of "alcohol causes X deaths per year on our roads".

Alcohol in and of itself can kill a person quite easily.

As somebody who nearly died from alcohol poisoning, I can attest to the accuracy of that statement. It was only that I had sober people nearby to keep me hydrated and make sure I didn't choke on my own vomit that I'm still around.


Anyway, this is heading far from what I intended with my Weeners on this thread - that it's not true that cannabis is 100% safe (as so many people seem to think). It's true that there may have been other drugs involved in the death I wrote about, I only know what the media reported.
 
2004-05-18 08:45:30 AM
This study is bogus and biased. The researchers are bought and paid for by the Soros people. Do a little homework, stoners.

Also - get a life. Give me a call when you're not stoned and want to get a job.
 
2004-05-18 08:46:55 AM
soporific -

Health Canada did a study on this 2 years ago, they took 16 high school student, and tracked their grades and mental capacities before and after the use of canabis (1 joint every day for 6 months) and again after they stopped using canabis.

It showed that their short term memories weren't as performent, and it took them longer to execute math problems. But they're IQ pretty much stayed the same. After they stopped using canabis, it took a month fot the teens to come back to normal.
 
2004-05-18 08:46:55 AM
OBB

7 times the amount of tar in one cigarette is found in one joint.

knucklebreather

But does anyone smoke 20 joints a day? Other than Snoop Dawg?

Ummm....Three joints = 21 ciggies. Three joints a day of really potent weed is easy. More than three with mediocre weed is even easier.

See the inside of that bong tube? That's what the inside of your lungs looks like.

Need any more proof that pot makes you a dumbass?
 
2004-05-18 08:46:56 AM

world citizen
Coldfusion: Christians don't care about pot smoking, if they thought about it at all they would consider it's legality in the U.S., whether it's use injured the self or another, or whether it became a "stumbling block." They aren't afraid of any insights gained under the influence, they wish you well.

Sorry, but Coldfusion hit it on the head. Religion relies on lifelong "indoctrination" into thinking their way. I was raised catholic, and didn't start smoking until years after I left the church, and started to think for myself. Regardless of whether there is a god-like entity out there, all religion is crap. I apologize to Coldfusion for trying to reiterate his/her point in a much less coherent manner...
 
2004-05-18 08:47:58 AM
No one is saying it's a healthy habit... We just want to choose for our selves with out the worry of going to jail.

If it were legal, a company could produce a pack of 20 well made, naturally grown, joints. for $5.00... the government could tack on another $15.00 in tax and it would still be a steal compared to what folks are paying today.
You would be employing farmers, raking in Billions in taxes, and the hippies get thier weed... what's the farking problem?
 
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