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2004-05-17 01:11:59 PM
To sum up this season:
Spinoffs of CSI, Law & Order, and Friends.
A reincarnation of Mr Ed.
4 animated shows on Fox.
And the return of Jason Alexander, Fran Drescher, Heather Locklear, Tori Spelling, Drew Carey, and John Goodman...oh yeah...and MeatHead too.
 
2004-05-17 01:13:24 PM
Fox has aired some of the best shows in the last 5 years...and promptly cancelled them.

Family Guy
Futurama
Firefly
Andy Richter Controls the Universe
Greg the Bunny
The Tick
Wonderfalls

Keep the guy that approves these shows and kill the guy that kills them.
 
2004-05-17 01:13:45 PM
Ah great.

Cable sucks around here anyhow, even the premium and PPV channels.

I like the Law and Order series, especially CSI and CI but I really despise 'Third Watch' because they've riddled a possibly good show with angst and personal problems for the characters.

I never liked Frasier or Friends, and Darma and Greg. I'm tired of 'Will and Grace' because the show is just too, tooo exaggeratedly gay and I can only stand just so many gay jokes. Nickelodeon is getting a bit packed with krappy kid situation comedies, like 'Jake and Josh' (why must they always include a fat, smart mouthed, stupid kid in everything lately)? and the 'Amanda Show' is too stupid and annoying even for my 12 year old niece!

Now they have a program on about life in a funeral home, which consists mainly of an obnoxious, ex-boxer, ex-drunk, dad, 3 argumentative daughters and two normal guys. Most of the show is spent showing how they squabble and make up. I wouldn't recommend anyone use their services in real life. (Oh, yeah. It's reality TV.)

Funkmaster whoever with his pimpmobiles sux!! (Another reality show.)

Scare Tactics on the Sci-fi channel sux. (You'd think, by now, their participants would know it's all staged.)

One more freaky reality 'weird people living together' show will probably make me barf.

Cartoon Network needs to cancel about 3/4 of it's krappy Adult Swim. I wouldn't mind the badly drawn and much too long lasting Pokemon to vanish either.

Monster garage had potential, but soon turned into a tattooed, chunky, black T-shirt wearing, biker/hippie/ex-con type of show where, sooner or later, they all start biatching at each other.

Junkyard wars used to be good, especially with the original British hosts, but it would have been nice to have them make something that didn't fall apart during the contests or resemble something out of Mad Max.

American Chopper with steroid muscled Dad and his mentally ill looking chunky son was interesting, until Dad started showing his temper and biatching at his son for everything.

I like the court TV shows, but a couple of them have degenerated into something resembling Jerry Springer's show, where fat minority women bicker and shout at each other, enforcing a racial stereotype, while the Judge sits there and lets it go on.

Monk was great! But they produced too few episodes and, if you watch the show, Monk always spots something kinda obviously out of place and THAT item will be the key to solving the mystery. Still, it's a good show.

I liked America's Funniest Video, with Bob Sagett, but now all they show are kinda krappy reruns of spinoffs and just how many times can you watch old folks loose their pants, drop their false teeth or do pratfalls outside? The newest version has a not-so-funny host trying to be funny. However, the nearly endless stream of idiot guys plowing expensive motorized vehicles into trees, streams, lakes and each other gets boring. (Though the extreme, no safety gear wearing skateboarders getting crunched up cheers me up. However, it makes me doubt the gene pool and certain parents when Mr. Macho does ANOTHER face plant and knocks his teeth out or smashes his testicles into jelly on a rail and points out how he not only loves the 'sport' but will do it again when the casts come off.)

'Shorties' a new adult cartoon on the Network for Men, is kinda interesting, but a bit extreme, but how they've not been sued, I'm not sure. (They did a cartoon parody of Jane Goodall (the woman researcher who lived with apes for a couple of years) and had a section where she drops her pants, dumps a load and flings shiat at a cop.)

Any show with fat guys, with beer mugs glued to their hands, wearing T-shirts or shirts unbuttoned, acting like stereotypical studs, hosting 'manly' shows annoys me.

South Park is wearing very thin.

MTV has just simply turned into major suckage.

Even the PPV movies suck. (That, plus after you pay your $3.95 to watch a show, a couple of months later it shows up on a premium channel that you already have and could have watched it for free!!)

Plus, I've never been interested in these reality TV shows, like 'who wants to marry a millionare' who is not really a millionare but plays one on TV.

Ah, for movies from the Greats like Gregory Peck, Carry Grant, John Wayne, Audry Hepburn, Bobcat Goldthwait, Dean Martin and their ilk.

(BTW. I watched the 'Hulk'. Interesting, especially how they bastardized the origin of the Hulk.)
 
2004-05-17 01:15:11 PM
smug self-righteousness commencing:


I am so glad I gave up television years ago.

"Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television"

find the book, read it, and realize the content is only the most annoying part of the problem.
 
2004-05-17 01:16:04 PM
Give me this, 24/7, and I'll be happy.

 
2004-05-17 01:18:39 PM
I realize its 100 posts too late, but HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!
 
2004-05-17 01:19:15 PM
As long as the O.C. is coming back. That show rocks, and as a guy, I'm not scared to admit I've watched every single episode. I also make sure I catch Las Vegas and CSI: Miami. Those and Deadwood are about all I make sure I catch every week, with of course the Simpsons.
 
2004-05-17 01:23:55 PM
It's sad that Angel won't be on the WB's lineup next fall, but at least I know that it was pulled to make way for true high-quality entertainment in Superstar, USA.
 
2004-05-17 01:24:54 PM
as for the universally acknowleged crappy writing:

I was listening to some interviews on NPR the other day with old talent movie writers. They were lamenting the declining talent of the new generation of writers. Whereas they had been trained and raised on novels, this new group has to draw almost all their deeper insight from mediocre television.

Basically, television writers take their influences and digest it into a crappier version for the small screen. So, great literature in one end, mediocre TV out the other. But if you feed this same crap back into the system, the final digested product is bereft of any deep entertainment value.

not sure I believe these old farts (try watching 70's TV now and tell me these guys were great) but it makes you wonder.
 
2004-05-17 01:26:37 PM
With very few exceptions (and most are on Fox - and I'm definitely excluding any "reality" TV) I'd be willing to pick just about any week's fall schedule during the 1980s and be entertained a THOUSAND times more than today.

Remember the big scoop at the beginning of the season, where it seemed all of the 18-34 yr old males had fallen off the face of the earth? Did they ever come back? Did someone bother to ask us where we went and why? Obviously not if we're getting yet another re-hash of the same crapfest.
 
2004-05-17 01:27:23 PM
Undeclared was pretty damn funny too. Another feather in the Fox cap.

thank god for cable.

thank god for hbo.
 
2004-05-17 01:29:23 PM
If they cancel 'Ethnic Mismatch Comedy #461" I
ll be devestated.

"Let's haul ass to Lolapaloza!"
 
2004-05-17 01:30:45 PM
They ought to bring back Riptide.
 
2004-05-17 01:34:17 PM
MacG


They ought to bring back Riptide.

Good call, they can follow it up with 'Simon & Simon".
 
2004-05-17 01:34:31 PM
I'm in total agreement with you Law & Order: SVU supporters. That show is more addictive than herocrackphetamineohol.

For my money, I watch SVU for two reasons:

1.) Mariska Hargitay is completely hot, and;

2.) Since she's likely completely loony because of her mom's accident, when she gets that crazy look in her eyes you know it's for real and that just makes her hotter still.
 
2004-05-17 01:35:35 PM
2004-05-17 12:38:18 PM Jar Jar Binks-Laden

I propose a new cable channel: The Writers Network, where shows are actually written by writers, instead of network executives and focus groups.


Sounds a great deal like HBO to me!
 
2004-05-17 01:37:16 PM
TV wouldn't suck so much ass if the bottom feeders (meaning most of America) didn't dutifully glue themselves to any reality show or man hatng sitcom the TV execs feel like throwing up at us.

There has to be some statement within the fact that the only tv shows that aren't completly intellectually devoid are animated.
 
2004-05-17 01:38:11 PM
NutznGum

I hope they make a combination of Ironside and Longstreet about a blind detective in a wheelchair. They could call it Ironstreet or Longside.
 
2004-05-17 01:38:13 PM
And don't forget "Law and Order KMart: Blue Light Special Victims Unit"
 
2004-05-17 01:38:15 PM
the only tv shows that aren't completly intellectually devoid are animated.

Yeah, what happened to Samurai Jack???
 
2004-05-17 01:38:50 PM
/Yeah, I'm old.
 
2004-05-17 01:40:28 PM
show me:

He could have his office in a building that's out of the way and then they could call the show 'Sidestreet"
 
2004-05-17 01:44:57 PM
NutznGum

lol. And if he was fat and lived in a trailer on a sidestreet by the beach they could call it Rockford Sidestreet Cannon. Or they could make an Afghanistanamation show about a chimp with a butler named Johnny Chimpo.

/starting to get lightheaded at work after a rough weekend
 
2004-05-17 01:46:01 PM
I think part of the major suck-factor is that TV exec's etc seem to think that a show will either be a big hit right out of the gate, or will flop immediately. American mentality lacks a good deal of patience, and so they want it to succeed immediately, or they move on to the next thing.

Saw a link a few days ago from TSG that said 'Friends' was almost killed. Amazingly, it was given an actual chance, and obviously did very well. (NOT that I'm advocating the show, mind you...)

Perhaps if Execs were to give pilot shows a chance, and only take into CONSIDERATION the polls of the select viewers, and let a show mature, it might actually do well.
I guess that it's really about risk. Not many TV execs seem to be willing to take it these days.

Course, I'm from the 'ALL TV sucks now' camp anyway. Haven't watched TV in years now- The only reason I have cable in the first place is for the wife and baby, and to save money on my broadband connection. :)

Just my 2 pennies worth of course, and I'm in the demographic the major stations are wondering what happened to. (male, 18-35)

/yearns for the day they revive classics like Automan, The A-Team, and Manimal- old school TV!
 
2004-05-17 01:50:01 PM
My favorite new show is going to be a wacky comedy on Fox about the child of a lawyer who, due to a wacky typo by a wacky administrative appointment bureau becomes a Superior Court Judge and has to hand down rulings, each of which will heavily imply a moral lesson. The title?



HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!!!
 
2004-05-17 01:51:23 PM
The week after "Cheers" premiered on NBC, the Neilsens showed that it finished last.

Not last in the time slot. Last overall for the week. Granted, this was pre-FOX/WB/UPN, so last place was still only 87th or so, but this was dead last.

Today, that show would never have been given a chance to find an audience. Hell, even "Seinfeld" had to stumble along for a while.

If something doesn't get 15 million viewers out of the box, the asshat execs kill it. A farker upthread mentioned shows like "Greg the BUnny" and "Andy Richter...." Those could be the poster boys for this phenomenon.

Sadly, "Joey" will be huge out of the box and get the chance a real show deserved.
 
2004-05-17 01:53:23 PM
someone says Arrested Development was picked up?!!

to quote Lucille I:

"Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire."
 
2004-05-17 01:54:17 PM
2004-05-17 12:34:25 PM show me


I can't wait for "Survivor: East St. Louis" to come out


Is this like on die hard with a vengance when bruce willis has a racist sign tied to him and is forced to goto harlem? If so im in sounds like good watching.
 
2004-05-17 01:56:36 PM
Btw i love Arrested Development thank god/allah/buddah/who ever for bringing it back. Now if i could just get back Futurama, Family guy(sooner than next year), angel, and this just in i would be somewhat happy.
 
2004-05-17 01:57:09 PM
dammit, i want more info on the spinoff of The Practice - it jumped the shark quite a while back, but adding James Spader to the cast made the last few months very enjoyable. sort of went from a drama to a comedy, but that's okay. and hey, William Shatner's gonna be in it too!

Fleet Street is the name of the new show (if i'm not mistaken) but i can't seem to find any info on it, other than the commercial they had during the series finale of the Practice...
 
2004-05-17 01:59:13 PM
Well look at it this way.

I'm not exactly sure how it works, but every show that is aired and then cancelled on a network channel costs the network money. Between the pilot and the advertising time etc etc, at some point I'm guessing that the network loses money when they pull the show.

Now, we've all seen both the crappy shows as well as shows that could have become really good with time being pulled by networks. While I dislike missing the chance to be able to enjoy some of these new shows (for some reason I really liked Firefly, at least that had 6 or 7 before being pulled), at least there is some solace in knowing that the network's own stupidity costs them money each time.
 
2004-05-17 02:01:28 PM
Saw a link a few days ago from TSG that said 'Friends' was almost killed.

Same thing with Seinfeld's first coupla seasons.

BTW Deadwood.. Pretty farking interesting.. (feed 'im to the pigs!)

/guilty pleasure: 'That 70s Show'
 
2004-05-17 02:02:12 PM
i will turn off my tv the second he says "how you doin'?"
 
2004-05-17 02:03:48 PM
darling wrote: "AdmiralFarkbar
BBC America is a great concept gone terribly, terribly wrong. So many good shows to choose from but the few that make it are rerun into the ground."


Ugh, no kidding. I get the low end digital cable pacakage deal from comcast, originally for BBC america and a few others. It sucks. I don't need 24/7 brit coms but fark... something NEW and GOOD might be nice once in awhile. Anything besides changing rooms and fashion make overs repeated ad nauseum. You'd think since its BBC, they'd have no contract/distro rights issues to show them over here. I mean, A&E showed "Spooks" aka MI5 (and edited the hell out of it for commercials) instead of them.

Hell, half the brit coms they show I've already seen on PBS years ago!
 
2004-05-17 02:04:36 PM
lycao

Exactly. Or it could be like the Ghetto Olympics scene from I'm Gonna Get You Sucka (great movie, btw, with a hilarious scene featuring a very young Chris Rock) where the guys have a race with a TV on their shoulder and a cop chasing them, and they get timed to see who can strip a car the fastest.
 
2004-05-17 02:04:48 PM
What we need is, "The $64,000 Butt Pyramid". Naked insurgents are stacked on top of each other and then quizzed on general knowledge topics. The more right answers, the higher you go on the pyramid. When you reach the top, $64,000 is given at ramdon to an american family.

//Don't thank me. I got a million of them.
 
2004-05-17 02:06:49 PM
I download the only 2 shows worth watching, 24 and The Shield.

Thank god for Bittorrent.

Wouldn't have cable if it weren't included in my rent.
 
2004-05-17 02:08:29 PM
I hve a friend who works for the actual Nielson ratings company. He is a service tech and goes out to maintence the boxes that record the info about what people watch.

He tells me horror stories about the type of inbred imbeciles that represent our veiwing public. They are supposed to keep logs of their watching activities to backup the boxes, and they just guess at it when it comes time to submit them. Some of them just leave the boxes on whatever while they leave the house and then falsify their logs. Not to mention the times he has had to clear trash and empty 40's from off the top of the TV's to fix a unit that was damaged due to a "domestic disturbance."

These are the people they are basing the demographic studies off of that determine what we watch.

I wonder if, with the advent of Tivo, DVR, and digital cable type services, if there shouldn't be a complete revamping of the ratings sytem in the US. Nielson has a more solid monopoly than Microsoft did, if not as large.

/take the airwaves back. I can't afford to keep buying so many books and the internet is running out of room.
 
2004-05-17 02:09:18 PM
Tony Kornheiser project - This comedy, for which CBS hasnt settled on a name, stars Jason Alexander as Kornheiser, The Washington Post sports columnist and ESPN host.

Yay, yet another TV show about... PEOPLE ON TV!!!

Memo to the networks: Most of us AREN'T on TV nor do we know anyone who writes, directs, acts, or produces TV. (Unlike the sons and daughters of TV execs in TV-land).

I watch so little TV today.

Law and Order CI
CSI (Original --Marge Helgenburg IS "Stacy's Mom"!
That 70s show.
Scrubs
 
2004-05-17 02:13:29 PM
No matter what you're watching, you're still in reality just spending your time sitting on the couch staring at a screen getting a fat ass.

/prefers actual friends to "Friends"
 
2004-05-17 02:14:05 PM
it seems these tv execs are very out of touch. they are usually old(er) men or women, deciding what is funny or interesting for the audience, which most times is a younger crowd.

they have no idea.
 
2004-05-17 02:14:59 PM
Monday Night's CBS line-up should be titled:

Plain Looking Guys with Improbably Good Looking Wives !!

Raymond
Yes Dear
King of Queens
 
2004-05-17 02:16:59 PM
I don't care what time they come on because I have Tivo. As long as I get Scrubs, The Shield, Nip Tuck, and Deadwood I'm good to go.
 
2004-05-17 02:25:25 PM
Don't really care either, cause I work second shift, and if I'm not on the computer, I'm reading. You know, a book.
 
2004-05-17 02:25:53 PM
Monday Night's CBS line-up should be titled:

Plain Looking Guys with Improbably Good Looking Wives !!


As a plain-looking guy, I am all in favor of this policy. The more that this concept seeps into the public consciousness, the greater the likelihood that an improbably good looking woman will find me attractive.
 
2004-05-17 02:27:44 PM
Shows I Like - (On Network TV)
- 8 Simple Rules (ABC)
- Happy Family (NBC)
- CSI (CBS)
- Crossing Jordan (NBC)
- 24 (FOX)
- Simpsons (FOX)

Most of the shows that I watch are on Cartoon Network or Comedy Central though:

- South Park
- Chappelle's Show
- The Daily Show
- Family Guy
- Futurama
- Aqua Teen Hunger Force
- Inuyasha
- Comedy Central Presents
- Tough Crowd

Reality TV Shows, for the most part are annoying and tired. The only one I ever watch is Fear Factor just because of the gross out factor. Otherwise I appriciate sitcom comedies like 8 Simple Rules or Happy Family.

Just my .02
 
2004-05-17 02:31:15 PM
Meh. As long as Scrubs stays a cult hit and keeps on being renewed. I'm very happy.

/waiting for DVDs
 
2004-05-17 02:33:36 PM
sitcom comedies As opposed to situation comedy dramas?
/just messin with you.
 
2004-05-17 02:35:59 PM
The Shield is great TV. Ditto Nip/Tuck. Unfortunately, they aren't on simultaneously during the season(s).

Still liking the original CSI.

Monk is great and will be getting a full season this (next) year instead of just 5 episodes.

And, um, I also like, um...
 
2004-05-17 02:42:22 PM
I actually like CSI... (crickets)

Now, CSI Miami kind of reminds me of the movie Multiplicity. You make a copy, but it isn't perfect. That show sucks donkey nuts actually. Now they are making a copy of a copy? A spinoff of a spinoff? It's going to be like the retarded "Steve" of Multiplicity.
 
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