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2002-01-09 08:53:59 AM
My deepest sympathy to his family and friends.
 
2002-01-09 08:56:21 AM
Ill bet this guy's family wont get nearly the money that we are offering the WTC victims family. God Bless You for protecting my freedom
 
2002-01-09 08:56:23 AM
"Oh, I'm so hurt. Please give me money for my 'kids.' My husband is the only military member that died in combat and I think I am entitled to free money."
 
2002-01-09 08:57:02 AM
This man's actions is what a hero is all about. Just keep in mind all the guys who may or may not make it back that you don't hear about.
 
2002-01-09 09:09:33 AM
Given the limited information that has been made available concerning how this fellow ended up dead. I am reluctant to apply the "hero" tag: he was a volunteer and he was trained and paid to do the job that he loved doing. He new the risks.

"Heroism" is not a function of becoming dead, it is a function of how [you] become dead. The man was a warrior and he died a warrior's death -- give him his props where they are due.

I, for one, am grateful that we have such fine young men in the USofA. We should be proud of all the men and women who serve our country and our communities.

That being said, this whole issue of charitable contributions is getting out of hand -- it is almost as tho' people are playing it as a lottery.
 
2002-01-09 09:12:49 AM
Clearly not a very well trained soldier, then. Compensation my arse - that's what his wage is. "Who is prepared to go into battle for this fee?"

"I am"

"Right, sign here."

End of story.
 
2002-01-09 09:13:26 AM
Damn Harmonia, thats like the nicest thing I've ever heard you say. I didn't think you were capable.
 
2002-01-09 09:14:09 AM
Your husband gets killed in the World Trade Center and you get $1.6 million.

Your husband gets killed serving his country, you get $50,000 and a few hundred a month.
 
2002-01-09 09:30:25 AM
People in the WTC weren't going there knowing they risked death. He went to Afghanistan knowing just that. And where is all the rhetoric now that states " It's war, there's going to be casualties, get used to it. " Or does that only apply to the foreigners?
 
2002-01-09 09:31:15 AM
Goatman you ignorant person. Do you know how much this guy was making?

My father retired as an E8 from the army several years ago, after 22 years of service. I earn more now, at age 23, then he did after 22 years of service in the army, and what I earn is not a whole hell of a lot. Armed forces wages are a huge joke. The NCOs in the various armed forces don't get shiat for pay. I don't know about commisioned officers.

This guy is a hero, not because he died, but because he was over there doing a job that many of us don't want to do. It's that simple. He's a hero the same way that firefighters and the police are heroes, they all do jobs that serve the public, and are doing jobs that many people don't want to do. There are very real risks to those jobs and they do the job anyways.
 
2002-01-09 09:34:38 AM
Do you know how much this guy was making?

My father retired as an E8 from the army several years ago, after 22 years of service. I earn more now, at age 23, then he did after 22 years of service in the army, and what I earn is not a whole hell of a lot.


That sounds like a personal problem to me. Normally, when a person wants money and isn't getting it through their current profession, they quit and obtain a new profession or a better standing position within their original profession. If this guy (or your father for that matter) chose to get paid slightly better than minimum wage for a job that has a high risk of death and bodily injury, then that was their damn problem. Retards.
 
2002-01-09 09:37:16 AM
What happens if more than one solider dies at once! Do they stagger the news so the donations don't have to be split, yeah it sucks he's dead, but he is one of many soldiers who have died in Afghanistan its just that this guy has the precious precious white skin.
 
2002-01-09 09:44:13 AM
<homer>
Mmmmmmmmmm.......white skin.
</homer>
 
2002-01-09 09:50:18 AM
Some of the people in this thread have no brains... YOu know what kind of person it takes to serve in the armed forces? He isnt concerned with making money or being rich. He wants to serve his country. If he wanted to make money he wouldnt be in a trench somewhere getting shot at for little more than minimum wage. You people that whine about money and wages and how its his own damn fault are cowards and give capitalism a bad name. Never turn your back on those that defend you. A quote from a Catholic Priest in WWII Germany.

"WHen they came for the Jews I said nothing, because I was not a Jew. WHen they came the for Homosexuals I said nothing for I was not gay. When they came for the Protestants I said nothing for I was not a Protestant. WHen they came for me there was no one left to help me."

Fools... It isnt about your skin color, your sex or religion. If you die serving your country that is asacrifice worthy of remembering and honoring. That man's kids will never see their father again. Is it so wrong to help them out?
 
2002-01-09 09:57:59 AM
Supahl33t Wow, that was I mildly entertaining read. I, for one, did my time in the military and it was NOT for the pride of serving my country. I wanted free school. I seem to remember about 90% of the people in the military aren't there for the pride either. Most are immigrants begging for a green card, white trash with no aspiration or hope of a future, blacks who feel that they were opressed in the civillian world, or ghetto-stars who realized that their previous life was taking them nowhere.

Now, this guy was a Grene Beret, so he deserves a slither of credit because he was more than just a piss-ant soldier that didn't actually care to be in combat... but that is just the point. This guy WANTED combat or he never would have joined the special forces. If he'd have kept his head down, he'd still be alive like the rest of his squad.
 
2002-01-09 09:58:48 AM
Goat: Americans join the military for several reasons. Crappy pay is rarely one of them. Also, he volunteered for this particluar mission. He didn't have to go, and he would have been payed either way. He's a hero. You are an ass.
 
2002-01-09 10:05:50 AM
That article had so much schmaltz I nearly barfed. But then of course the enemy are barbarous animals and our men are wonderful human beings.
 
2002-01-09 10:20:40 AM
What about the Americans who were killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan? What do they get?

Oh well, they should have gotten out of the way. Sorry, we only reward media-friendly heroism in this country.
 
2002-01-09 10:23:49 AM
There are 58,169 names on the Vietnam War Memorial. Where can we send the money? Oh wait, no one cares. Sorry, only soldiers who are on the news deserve honor and cash money. And rabid conservative Farkists writing elegiac bullshiat with veiled threats to liberal scum.
 
2002-01-09 10:26:05 AM
Man, my condolences, but those aren't the first war orphans. What kind of padded land of make believe are we building for ourselves here?
 
Rei
2002-01-09 10:27:29 AM
How ironic it is that he, in his group of 25 special forces, was killed by a couple of kids. The one they identified being only 14. Probably as an act of revenge for some nearby village that got hit by US bombs.

Also rather ironic that he was en route to inspect Qalaye Niazi. ;)
 
2002-01-09 10:28:24 AM
I wonder about the civvy view that soldiers do it out of some high minded idea of serving one's country and fighting for freedom. The top reasons for doing it for me, and pretty much everyone else I have met in the mil were. 1) it is a farking cool job with MASSES of responsibility and a much bigger challenge than I currently get sucking corporate cock. 2) GREAT buddies - loads of fun 3) the opportunity to do lots of cool r&r stuff. Most military people do it for these reasons. You accept a risk and if you die it sucks mightily, but its just one of those things. Its terrible for his family that he died, absolutely terrible. But soldiers accept that risk - its a risk we have come to terms with long before it happens. Its slightly worrying that everyone goes all dewy eyed when one soldier dies. Many more than that die in training each year. I reiterate that it is terrible for his family, and that that doesn't change.
 
2002-01-09 10:30:38 AM
Being a Green Beret makes him more of a man than most people could ever hope for.
I do disagree with the donations thing, though. I'm in the Army, and if we bite the big one in the line of duty, our families get $250,000 straight out. The fact that he was SF made his paycheck inflate that much more with all the extra pay (airborne pay, foreign language proficiency, hostile fire pay, etc, etc.) So although it does suck to see one of "our boys" go down, I seriously doubt his family is in dire financial straits.
 
2002-01-09 10:34:30 AM
Random Person - You know, I actually thought about replying to you, but I figured that it'd be a waste of my time, you devious little troll. However, you have inspired me, and gave me a new idea for a project for fark.

Everyone else, my point wasn't about money. My father did the job because he wanted to, he felt that it was his obligation.. I was attempting to point out that these people have a thankless job, get little compensation for it, and to counter a remark from goatman.

Does anyone know what the current death toll for the joint forces over in afghanistan is? So far, all I've heard about is the one who was crushed, the CIA dude, and this guy.
 
2002-01-09 10:35:46 AM
I would rather give money to the Afgans that have to eat grass and the other starving people of the world.
 
2002-01-09 10:38:22 AM
God, what a bunch of hideously vile punks we have here.

I'm so glad that scum like Random Person and Rebrane are sharing their pathetic whining hatred and nihilism. It makes me feel so wonderful knowing that such slope-browed, knuckle-dragging, drool-trailing mouth-breathing pompous idiocy can be admired directly from the source, sort of like actually getting to see horseshiat plopping on the ground directly from the equine anus.
 
2002-01-09 10:40:23 AM
Oooooooooooh!

Rei has come out to play.

I am so happy :)
 
2002-01-09 10:42:36 AM
Man I thought he got ambushed my a bunch of leaves from Afghanistan.

What a way to go!

That Headline farked with me!

Jason!
 
Rei
2002-01-09 10:43:33 AM
BlackVampyr:

You forgot about the serviceman we killed and the 3 we injured (including 5 dead NA troops and many injured - even Karzai got cut) when we tried to blow up Taliban commanders attempting to surrender to Karzai (with a daisy cutter, mind you), since Karzai had been letting people surrender and we didn't want that.
 
2002-01-09 10:46:07 AM
Tyrannus

"I'm so glad that scum like Random Person and Rebrane are sharing their pathetic whining hatred and nihilism. "

It makes me happy to know that my "whining and nihilism" was so important to you that you decided to dish out a batch of your own.
 
2002-01-09 10:46:21 AM
http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/west_asia/newsid_37000/37021.stm

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

Hmmm looks more and more like GOP dirty tricks every day
 
2002-01-09 10:46:46 AM
Rei,"...we didn't want that." Well welcome to the dark side! We certainly didn't. We wanted them dead. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
 
2002-01-09 10:47:54 AM
Blackvampyr: He's a soldier. He wanted combat. He died. Why should I admire that? So he's doing a job involving risk that no one else wants to do. So who's the cvnt? I'm still alive.

I believe it's Me 1, Green (amusing, considering) berry 0.
 
2002-01-09 10:50:26 AM
You couldn't pay me enough to go running around on a field with bullets whizzing by.
However, there are several thousand people that you can pay to do such a thing.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy.
 
Rei
2002-01-09 10:51:04 AM
TheTick:

The Taliban isn't a group of terrorists. Al Qaeda was an international terrorist organization. Some NA commanders had committed international terrorist acts, mainly in Pakistan. I'm unaware of an act of international terrorism committed by the Taliban. Now, some things that could be called "internal" terrorism have been committed by them, but the same goes for pretty much every NA commander.

Wait, I'm supposed to be ignoring you, because you prefer insults to debate. I'll stop right here.
 
2002-01-09 10:51:32 AM
So where was the donation for the kid in my school and his sister when thier mother died and thier father? They were orphaned, at least these kids he left behind still have a parent. How much will they recieve from his death? I know the two kids orphaned here got a total of 25,000 dollars from insurance, which of course went to the grandparents they moved in with.

I'm sorry but I am going to put something in perspective, children all over the world who have parents are still going to bed hungry. Over 4,000 innocent people in Afgahnistan have been killed by our bombing, how many of those children are orphaned?

Are we going to open a web page to give donations to all the kids that lost a parent in the vietnam war?
 
Rei
2002-01-09 10:55:55 AM
Good articles, 3696 :)

How ironic that it was Dashle who said it would be a mistake if they didn't address anti-terrorism legislation ;)
 
2002-01-09 10:58:20 AM
Awwwww, Rei, you are responding to my posts again. I have the warm 'n fuzzies!
 
2002-01-09 11:06:23 AM
Yes 3696, good articles.
 
2002-01-09 11:08:52 AM
The Tick, she will kick your arse again just like yesterday.

Still you are probably too stupid to notice.

We are not laughing with you you.
 
2002-01-09 11:09:05 AM
Nkosika: Not "$25,000 in insurance", it's $250,000, as in, two-hundred and fifty thousand.
You can buy a lot of porn with kinda scratch...
 
2002-01-09 11:23:49 AM
No beppo, they only got 25,000 dollars. I don't know how you know unless you are friends with my friends too?
 
2002-01-09 11:27:20 AM
TheTick: To label everyone in Afghanistan that is being fought as a "terrorist" is grossly oversimplifying the issue, if not flat wrong. This is, of course, what the Bush administration wants. Anyone we attack in the "war on terrorism" will immediately be labelled by the gullable public as "terrorists" without a second, or arguably even a first, thought. Regardless, blowing up anyone who is in the process of surrendering is pretty sick, I don't care who it is.
 
2002-01-09 11:28:45 AM
Hi, Harmonia :)

"...kick your arse again...."?

"...too stupid..."?

"...not laughing with you [and] you..."

Sorry, I'm just hanging out and enjoying myself. And you --what cha' doin?
 
2002-01-09 11:31:51 AM
Hey about a donation for these 100 people?

http://commondreams.org/headlines02/0107-03.htm
 
2002-01-09 11:33:50 AM
Just getting away from work ticky old chap.

;)
 
Rei
2002-01-09 11:39:57 AM
Nkosika:

No, the pentagon says they were Taliban and al Qaeda, so it'll never happen. Who cares if it was the middle of a wedding and noone had seen the Taliban around there for 6 weeks, and never al Qaeda...

The pentagon seems to think every last farmer in the country is Taliban or al Qaeda, sadly.
 
2002-01-09 11:48:27 AM
Surf a bit Farkers, you'll see that Random Person is in a particularly surly mood today and is looking for a fight.

Show some repsect.My Dad served 35 years in the US Army and the "Colonel" on his gravestone means he did more for your sorry ass then you'll ever do for yourself. You have him, (and my entire family) to thank for the freedom and liberty you so carelessly mistreat.
You're welcome.
 
2002-01-09 11:50:46 AM
Yeah. And you have our great grandparents to thank for your existence. Shove it up your arse. Your Dad died in Korea, so what.
 
2002-01-09 11:54:55 AM
01-09-02 10:27:29 AM Rei
How ironic it is that he, in his group of 25 special forces, was killed by a couple of kids. The one they identified being only 14. Probably as an act of revenge for some nearby village that got hit by US bombs.

No irony at all. Surprise was probably the main element of this happening -- and ambush. And as far as the boy doing so as an act of revenge ... that's mere speculation ... and projecting YOUR feelings about the situation onto that young fellow.

01-09-02 09:09:33 AM TheTick
Given the limited information that has been made available concerning how this fellow ended up dead. I am reluctant to apply the "hero" tag: he was a volunteer and he was trained and paid to do the job that he loved doing. He new the risks.

"Heroism" is not a function of becoming dead, it is a function of how [you] become dead. The man was a warrior and he died a warrior's death -- give him his props where they are due.

I, for one, am grateful that we have such fine young men in the USofA. We should be proud of all the men and women who serve our country and our communities.


RIGHT ON, BRO!
 
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