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(The Hill)   Worried that Trump, Sessions, and Spicer are getting too much attention for their stupidity, Keith Ellison steps up for the Democrats   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 09:57:09 AM  
I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.
 
2017-04-21 10:08:40 AM  
Perez and Sanders are currently on a unity tour aimed at energizing liberals in opposition to Trump and to healing lingering party divisions from the primary.

Well, spewing shiat like this doesn't help, you f*cking nit-wit.
 
2017-04-21 10:46:34 AM  
What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.
 
2017-04-21 11:13:43 AM  

gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.


That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.
 
2017-04-21 11:15:22 AM  

gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.


Democrats avoided running pro-Obama campaigns like the plague, almost as if they didn't want to be seen publicly approving a black President. I'd like to know how that is Obama's fault.
 
2017-04-21 11:24:32 AM  

bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.


3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.
 
2017-04-21 11:32:35 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.


Done in one.
 
2017-04-21 11:34:21 AM  

FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.


No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.
 
2017-04-21 11:41:19 AM  

Rwa2play: FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.

No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.


Obama tired to govern while staying above the fray of party politics. I think that's something every president should do. You're right that if we had better infrastructure and people running the party he wouldn't have needed to step in, but we didn't and we're here now.

That said, we're here now. Arguing about how we got here isn't getting us out of here.
 
2017-04-21 11:50:43 AM  

FortyHams: Rwa2play: FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.

No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.

Obama tired to govern while staying above the fray of party politics. I think that's something every president should do. You're right that if we had better infrastructure and people running the party he wouldn't have needed to step in, but we didn't and we're here now.

That said, we're here now. Arguing about how we got here isn't getting us out of here.


Arguing how we got here helps to understand the mistakes so we don't repeat them.

/who am I kidding
//DWS was terrible, but elected Dems running from Obama was far worse
 
2017-04-21 11:57:47 AM  

enry: FortyHams: Rwa2play: FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.

No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.

Obama tired to govern while staying above the fray of party politics. I think that's something every president should do. You're right that if we had better infrastructure and people running the party he wouldn't have needed to step in, but we didn't and we're here now.

That said, we're here now. Arguing about how we got here isn't getting us out of here.

Arguing how we got here helps to understand the mistakes so we don't repeat them.

/who am I kidding
//DWS was terrible, but elected Dems running from Obama was far worse


Not when the arguments all boil down to "It was everyone's fault but mine!".
 
2017-04-21 12:13:39 PM  

bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.


Tim Kaine handled the 2010 election, which went the same way.

The Democratic Party lost the 2016 election back in 2010, by pressuring Obama to enact the ACA, and then disowning them both once neocons were throwing their temper-tantrums about it.
 
2017-04-21 12:20:51 PM  
Ultimately, the accountability is with voters.
 
2017-04-21 12:23:01 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Ultimately, the accountability is with voters.


^^^^^
 
2017-04-21 12:23:35 PM  
Actually, Ellison is right.
 
2017-04-21 12:24:27 PM  
I don't care who you blame. Blame Obama, blame the DNC, blame Pelosi, blame Harry farking Reid, but blame somebody. Don't pretend there's no farking problem here and we should keep heading towards that cliff.

Democrats during Obama's presidency lost 11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and 913 state legislative seats and 30 state legislative chambers.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/25/cokie-rob​e​rts/have-democrats-lost-900-seats-state-legislatures-o/
 
2017-04-21 12:24:54 PM  
I think he's overstating the case, but Obama did make some errors that hurt the overall party. One of the biggest was backing off on pushing immigration reform prior to the 2014 midterms.
 
2017-04-21 12:27:36 PM  
Serious question: which part of what Ellison said was "stupid" on the same level as Spicer or Sessions? Yes, Obama remains very popular within the party, but this:

"He should have been far more out there in 2010, which was a year when we were going to be doing redistricting. He should've been campaigning like he was on the ballot and should have been very visible," Ellison said.

Is right on target. Use that popularity.
 
2017-04-21 12:27:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: I don't care who you blame. Blame Obama, blame the DNC, blame Pelosi, blame Harry farking Reid, but blame somebody. Don't pretend there's no farking problem here and we should keep heading towards that cliff.

Democrats during Obama's presidency lost 11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and 913 state legislative seats and 30 state legislative chambers.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/25/cokie-robe​rts/have-democrats-lost-900-seats-state-legislatures-o/


You know, that's really not a very fair comparison to make. After the 2008 election the Democrats were at a historic high point. There really was no way but down to go from there. It also ignores the fact that the Democrats actually made gains in both the house and Senate in 2016.
 
2017-04-21 12:28:19 PM  
Don't care about blaming, JUST FIX IT.
 
2017-04-21 12:29:41 PM  

King Something: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

Democrats avoided running pro-Obama campaigns like the plague, almost as if they didn't want to be seen publicly approving a black President. I'd like to know how that is Obama's fault.


It was less "black president" and more "didn't want to be seen publicly approving Obamacare." Which was most likely the correct move politically, considering that up until November of 2017, Trump and all of the republicans won on a promise to repeal Obamacare.
 
2017-04-21 12:29:47 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.


Be Black, so anytime a republican criticizes you, Chris Matthews can start screaming "RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!" ?
 
2017-04-21 12:30:27 PM  

enry: FortyHams: Rwa2play: FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.

No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.

Obama tired to govern while staying above the fray of party politics. I think that's something every president should do. You're right that if we had better infrastructure and people running the party he wouldn't have needed to step in, but we didn't and we're here now.

That said, we're here now. Arguing about how we got here isn't getting us out of here.

Arguing how we got here helps to understand the mistakes so we don't repeat them.

/who am I kidding
//DWS was terrible, but elected Dems running from Obama was far worse


Elected dems ran with their voters, and in many cases still lost. Did they make the right move and lost despite their stance, or the wrong one and would have held seats by unifying behind obamacare?

I don't have and answer to that, and neither does anyone else. But presuming every dem in a Hicksville district would have held their seat during the Obama Administration by being more progressive (which is a common fark talking point) is a kind of silly.
 
2017-04-21 12:31:18 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

Tim Kaine handled the 2010 election, which went the same way.

The Democratic Party lost the 2016 election back in 2010, by pressuring Obama to enact the ACA, and then disowning them both once neocons were throwing their temper-tantrums about it.


Kaine can be faulted for Democratic strategy, yes.  But everyone got blindsided by the sheer volume of money GOP backers pumped into elections at every level.  The party that wins the Presidency is always going to be at a disadvantage for the first midterm.  Add a coordinated effort by GOP money and Fox News to marshal the mouth-breathers, and 2010 was going to be rough.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:23 PM  
Winning elections for the Democrats should be as simple as giving the Republicans more rope. No crying needed.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:26 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Tim Kaine handled the 2010 election, which went the same way.

The Democratic Party lost the 2016 election back in 2010, by pressuring Obama to enact the ACA, and then disowning them both once neocons were throwing their temper-tantrums about it.


If we're pointing fingers, let's just mention that congressional Democrats brought a heavily watered-down single-payer bill to the floor of congress so Republicans would vote for it, watched Republicans hem and haw about all the useful parts until they were cut, let Republicans dominate the conversation in the media with made-up horseshiat, and then watched them vote in lockstep against it, along with blue dog Democrats - all with a legislative supermajority and a clear mandate to govern. The second Obama started campaigning on "bipartisanship" he may as well have fired Biden, resigned and given the farking job to Paul Ryan.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:34 PM  
enry: FortyHams: Rwa2play: FortyHams: bluenovaman: gilgigamesh: What did he get wrong? Obama was the leader of the party for 8 years. And in those 8 years, lack of attention to party infrastructure and down ballot state and federal races cost us some 1200 seats.  The result is that the Democrats are effectively out of power at every level, to the point republicans are a hair's breadth from being able to call a constitutional convention.

I know he didn't intentionally or personally let the party wither.   But as the head of the party, he's got to accept responsibility for it's current condition.

That was Debbie Wasserman Schultz responsibility. She is the miserable failure. We need Howard Dean back at the head of the DNC.

3 guesses for who put DWS in charge of the DNC. Hint: It was Obama.

No one argues that; the argument is that she was a farking incompetent at her job.  Was Obama responsible for picking her? Yeah, he thought she could do the job and, obviously, she could not.

Obama tired to govern while staying above the fray of party politics. I think that's something every president should do. You're right that if we had better infrastructure and people running the party he wouldn't have needed to step in, but we didn't and we're here now.

That said, we're here now. Arguing about how we got here isn't getting us out of here.

Arguing how we got here helps to understand the mistakes so we don't repeat them.

I'd rather argue about it to understand how we got to this point so we don't repeat the same mistake again.

//DWS was terrible, but elected Dems running from Obama was far worse

So much this.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:45 PM  
Obama was weak when we needed strength. He had a solid, golden opportunity to use the bully pulpit to speak candidly about the fundamental corruption in this country, and he chose not to. I truly believe doing this would have prevented the democrats from losing all those seats, and would have precluded Trump.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:50 PM  
Gerrymandering.

/Its not just a funny word.
 
2017-04-21 12:33:37 PM  

Basily Gourt: AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.

Be Black, so anytime a republican criticizes you, Chris Matthews can start screaming "RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!" ?


You think Chris Matthews has something to do with winning elections? You're dumber than I thought.
 
2017-04-21 12:34:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.


lol this is ridiculously childish and oversimplified. grow up son, there's plenty of blame to go around.
 
2017-04-21 12:34:07 PM  
Also, the people who liked Obama didn't like him for his policies. If our population liked his policies then Clinton would have won in a landslide, and i wouldn't be reading posts on every single fark thread claiming she was a Republican-lite.

People are just idiots. Our voters are fools.
 
2017-04-21 12:34:27 PM  
Yeah, I disagree with Keith Ellison.
 
2017-04-21 12:34:36 PM  
It was Comey! No Russia! No wiki leaks! No bernie Bros! No infowars! No Comey again! No asteroids! Earthquakes! Locusts!

Anything but Hillary's campaign assuming a coronation.
 
2017-04-21 12:34:52 PM  

qorkfiend: Serious question: which part of what Ellison said was "stupid" on the same level as Spicer or Sessions? Yes, Obama remains very popular within the party, but this:

"He should have been far more out there in 2010, which was a year when we were going to be doing redistricting. He should've been campaigning like he was on the ballot and should have been very visible," Ellison said.

Is right on target. Use that popularity.


Really?  Was he running for office a second time?  I don't know about you, but it would've looked like that with many of the Democrats who were running away from him after the ACA.
 
2017-04-21 12:35:03 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.


If you read the article, you'll see that the criticism was pretty measured, and had nothing to do with Obama's policy accomplishments, but rather with his work as the leader of the Democratic Party. The click-baity headline is inaccurate (I know, shock), and in the article Ellison never says the word "blame." He never says to run away from Obama's policy accomplishments, if anything he says that these are great things that Democrats should be proud of.

And, you know, Ellison is right. Obama was good at many, many things, but picking DWS to run the DNC and then leaving here there for 5 years was a bad call. He and his closest operatives did not do enough to strengthen state parties. Dems (and America) would be in better shape if he had.

The media is going to do everything they can  to try to stir up an intra-party battle between Democrats because it gets clicks. Thus, "Obama did a lot of great stuff but wasn't so good in this one area" becomes "Ellison: Obama Deserves Blame."

Don't fall for their trolling. The last thing this country needs is Dems fighting each other over this dumbass shiat.
 
2017-04-21 12:35:30 PM  
Maybe Obama wanted to avoid divisive, poisonous partisan politics while in office. Maybe he wanted to show how we can rise above partisan rancor and do something good and productive for this country.
Don't worry Mr. Ellison, we have now returned to our poisonous political culture in Washington. Are you enjoying President Trump blasting the opposing side on Twitter? Is that how you see Washington politics? Just a partisan cage match of bickering and gridlock in Washington? fark you.
 
2017-04-21 12:35:32 PM  
For eight years Obama was the primary focal point for intense conservative hatred.  I don't know why this was (blah guy).  It will forever remain a mystery (blah guy).  Anyway, for whatever reason he let this hamstring his ability to be as effective a leader as he could have been, IMO.  It's a real shame because he had all the tools he needed, otherwise.
 
2017-04-21 12:35:34 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Winning elections for the Democrats should be as simple as giving the Republicans more rope. No crying needed.


We tried that. The pussy-grabbing, veteran disrespecting, taxes hiding, twice divorced, failed head of Trump University still won.
 
2017-04-21 12:36:07 PM  

Basily Gourt: AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.

Be Black, so anytime a republican criticizes you, Chris Matthews can start screaming "RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!" ?


You take Chris Matthews' word as gospel?  Says a lot about you...
 
2017-04-21 12:37:06 PM  

justafarkingchef: It was Comey! No Russia! No wiki leaks! No bernie Bros! No infowars! No Comey again! No asteroids! Earthquakes! Locusts!

Anything but Hillary's campaign assuming a coronation.


Give it a farking rest already. Nobody's buying.
 
2017-04-21 12:37:23 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big F*CK YOU to Mr. Ellison.

The Democrats ran away from Obama, they farking hemmed and hawed at "admitting" they voted for him during their congressional election debates.  They didn't want Obama campaigning for them.  Obama gave the Democrats the playbook for beating Republicans, don't blame him because the Democrats threw it away.


Poor thread never stood a chance with an opening like this.  Nicely done.
 
2017-04-21 12:37:25 PM  
Finally someone gets it.  The democrats aren't pure enough.  We must burn out all who might be slightly less liberal than some arbitrary point on the political specturm. Broad compromising coalitions of voters who are generally aligned in many areas but disagree on minor specifics of policy are anathema.

*watches the GOP win every election on the state and federal level for the next 20 years*
 
2017-04-21 12:37:48 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Kaine can be faulted for Democratic strategy, yes.  But everyone got blindsided by the sheer volume of money GOP backers pumped into elections at every level.  The party that wins the Presidency is always going to be at a disadvantage for the first midterm.  Add a coordinated effort by GOP money and Fox News to marshal the mouth-breathers, and 2010 was going to be rough.


It would've been rough, yes.  It didn't help that Democrats ran away from Obama because right-wingers feelings got hurt.
 
2017-04-21 12:38:42 PM  
I said this in a thread last week and 20 people called me a racist.

Liberals need to reevaluate our leaders. Recognize that even if they're nice people, they are terrible politicians. Can't be trump with weak leadership.
 
2017-04-21 12:39:17 PM  
Obama wasn't a good President.
 
2017-04-21 12:39:22 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Gerrymandering.

/Its not just a funny word.


Not in 2010. Or at least, not newly gerrymandered in 2010. The Democrats were clearly capable of winning a House majority using that district map.
 
2017-04-21 12:40:28 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: KiwDaWabbit: Winning elections for the Democrats should be as simple as giving the Republicans more rope. No crying needed.

We tried that. The pussy-grabbing, veteran disrespecting, taxes hiding, twice divorced, failed head of Trump University still won.


Calling his followers "deplorables" didn't help. Even though they are, the fact remains that assholes don't like to be called assholes. These assholes still vote, you know. Insulting voters never plays, at least if the recipients understand that they're being insulted. After all, Trump said that he loved the poorly educated. They couldn't figure out that he was patronizing them. All they heard was "He loves us!"
 
2017-04-21 12:40:37 PM  
Yeah, and if Obama had gotten more involved, then all the right wing shills would be biatching about him playing politics and campaigning when he should've been running the country.

Allow me to sum up:

A black "socialist" dude was elected president and we ended up with the Tea Party as a reaction.  Even regular republicans weren't derpy enough for the TP, so they primaried a bunch of "RINOS" and then came after Democrats screaming about socialism, death panels, and other bullshiat.  Instead of grabbing their junk and going, "Oh yeah?  I got your socialism right here" then listing off the accomplishments of the Obama administration and the benefits of those accomplishments for the masses, they decided instead to go "Obama?  Who's this Obama?  Oh, PresidentObama.  Yeah, I voted for him, but I don't support any of his plans or ideas.  Wait, you're still not going to vote for me?" Ta-da, Freedom Caucus.
 
2017-04-21 12:41:04 PM  
The one thing that I blame Obama most for is not being open with the country about trump being a traitor.

The instant that Obama knew trump was working with the russians, he should have made it public and started proceedings against trump.

That Obama decided it would look partisan and didn't do anything, is his biggest failure.
 
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