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(LA Daily News)   California considers bill that would make it illegal for schools to start before 8:30 a.m. Apparently kids are getting up too early   ( dailynews.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 08:17:45 AM  
They want people to be stupid so they vote for Democrats.
 
2017-04-21 08:17:57 AM  
What's the point? The days half over by then.
 
2017-04-21 08:22:03 AM  
What next? Outlaw walking uphill, both ways, in the snow?

Farking snowflakes!
 
2017-04-21 08:22:18 AM  
 And make sure they all get a trophy for showing up.
 
2017-04-21 08:24:40 AM  
This comment section is cancer.
 
2017-04-21 08:25:26 AM  
I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.
 
2017-04-21 08:25:48 AM  
Aren't there studies out there showing that slightly later start times have a positive impact on school performance, and excessively early start times have a negative impact?

/lotta trolls and onion belts in this thread
 
2017-04-21 08:26:12 AM  
Good. It's farking criminal for me to wake my kids up at 6AM and get them to school by 7, as hungover as I am.
 
2017-04-21 08:26:36 AM  
That will certainly prepare them for the real world.
 
2017-04-21 08:27:16 AM  
When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.
 
2017-04-21 08:28:57 AM  

RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.


You had a GARDEN!??!?!
 
Ant
2017-04-21 08:29:00 AM  
If it makes them better able to learn, why not?

I expect to see a lot of appeals to tradition in this thread though.
 
2017-04-21 08:29:59 AM  

Interceptor1: And make sure they all get a trophy for showing up.


They do this, it's called the "Perfect Attendance" award.
 
2017-04-21 08:30:26 AM  

SirEattonHogg: I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.


And you obviously didn't learn very much, so what's the point?
 
2017-04-21 08:30:28 AM  

vudukungfu: RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.

You had a GARDEN!??!?!


imageshack.com
 
2017-04-21 08:31:06 AM  

RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.


I actually grew up in a half rural/half suburban area and there were a handful of kids from farming families and actually they way they tell it, it ain't too far from the truth.
 
2017-04-21 08:32:08 AM  

SirEattonHogg: I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.


My kid had to be on the bus at 6:50 for kindergarten. We live 5 minutes from the skool, but we are the first stop.

This did not work out.

Fortunately, Madame Merdeux's schedule was amenable to driving him to school so he could get another hour of sleep.
 
2017-04-21 08:32:48 AM  
I had to wake up at 5 to catch the bus at 530.

/slept thru first two periods usually
 
2017-04-21 08:33:30 AM  

vudukungfu: RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.

You had a GARDEN!??!?!


Just farkin' carrots and onions. And useless flowers. I still despise carrots. Onions, they are useful. Carrots can bite the crank.

Flowers are purty.
 
2017-04-21 08:34:40 AM  

RJReves: vudukungfu: RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.

You had a GARDEN!??!?!

Just farkin' carrots and onions. And useless flowers. I still despise carrots. Onions, they are useful. Carrots can bite the crank.

Flowers are purty.


Carrot soup sucks
 
2017-04-21 08:34:55 AM  
Classes at my high school started at 7:40.
I always thought it sucked.

It also turned me into a coffee-holic at age 15.
 
Ant
2017-04-21 08:35:20 AM  

Basily Gourt: That will certainly prepare them for the real world.


School isn't the real world, it's a place to learn, and if something as simple as starting a little later makes it more likely that kids will learn is a good thing. After they finish school they can find out how crappy the real world is.
 
2017-04-21 08:35:41 AM  
My school started at 8am.  However, my parents were devout Mormons, so they made me and my siblings attend a special early morning class at our local church every day, called Early Morning Seminary, that was at 6am.  In Utah, they give kids an "open period" where they are allowed to walk across the street to the Mormon seminary to attend (spoilers most use the time to just goof off) but in Tennessee, you actually had to attend the stupid seminary class if your parents made you, because they were dropping you off, and you were kind of stuck there until it was time to go to school.

Oh and did I mention I had undiagnosed sleep apnea, so I was barely getting any sleep.  I was tired all the time, and when I went to the doctor, I was misdiagnosed as being depressed, because that is a major reason for healthy kids to be tired all the time.  However, once I got out into the world, and could set my own sleep schedule, and later got a c-pap machine, my constant fatigue and depression went away.

So anyways, my having to get up every morning sucked worse than your experiences, so I win.
 
2017-04-21 08:36:12 AM  
Supervisor:  You're hired.  The job starts at 6 am.
Snowflake:  6 am?  What?  No!  I don't wanna!
Supervisor:  Okay.  Show up at 8:30.  I guess no one has to monitor our missile defense system between 6 and 8:30 am.

(In North Korea)
Hat Guy:  Dear leader!  Fat lazy Americans do not monitor their missile defense system between the hours of 6 and 8:30 am!
Dear Leader:  We attack at 6:05!

(Missiles/bombs)
At Missile Defense, a destroyed room with snowflake and supervisor.
Technician:  President Trump just tweeted our unconditional surrender!  How could this happen?
Supervisor:  I blame our school system.

(North Korean soldiers enter, take all away to Gulag.  One NK soldier pauses, eats a donut and yells something in Korean)

/old snl updated
 
2017-04-21 08:37:51 AM  
Everyone should always do things the way they were done during my childhood. If not it surely means the kids and everyone involved are weak.

Glad we settled that.
 
2017-04-21 08:37:54 AM  
The kindergarten bus passes here at 6:30. Given the hour to get ready, we'd have to get up at 5:30-6 to make it. And that's _with_ an 8:30 start.

Thankfully my wife can drive them. She has to leave at 8:20, almost 2 full hours later.
 
2017-04-21 08:38:26 AM  
Yes keep these school buses off the road until we are through rush hour
 
2017-04-21 08:38:37 AM  

Bowen: SirEattonHogg: I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.

And you obviously didn't learn very much, so what's the point?


Hey now.
 
2017-04-21 08:40:00 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Bowen: SirEattonHogg: I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.

And you obviously didn't learn very much, so what's the point?

Hey now.


Pow!
 
2017-04-21 08:40:55 AM  
There's lots of studies that show kids need sleep, and they pack about 5 hours of school into an 8 hour day, so going a little later is beneficial for the kids.
 
2017-04-21 08:43:34 AM  

Ant: If it makes them better able to learn, why not?

I expect to see a lot of appeals to tradition in this thread though.


If the issue is rest, the problem isn't that school starts too early, it's that kids don't go to bed early enough. If you push back school start times, kids are going to stay up later, and in 10 years, we'll be having this exact same conversation about a study saying 9am is too early a start time.
 
2017-04-21 08:44:10 AM  

AntonChigger: Aren't there studies out there showing that slightly later start times have a positive impact on school performance, and excessively early start times have a negative impact?

/lotta trolls and onion belts in this thread


I wanna know why there explicitly has to be a law as opposed to the Dept of Ed saying "this is how it's gonna be."
 
2017-04-21 08:47:44 AM  
Middle schools here start at 8:30; high schools at 9:00. But this is only because of practical necessity, as a traffic control measure. Start/end times are staggered. Elementary schools start earliest.

But I see the point of this measure. Teens need a lot more sleep than do younger kids and adults. This is why, when left to their own devices, they sleep so late on weekends regardless of when they go to bed (which is as late as possible). I wake without an alarm clock between 6am and 6:30. I haven't used an alarm in 30 years. But when I was 16, I could go to bed at midnight and easily sleep until 10 am -- If my dad would have allowed it, that is.
 
2017-04-21 08:48:20 AM  
As a former teen, I am in favor of that.

As an adult who has to get his kids to school before work, I am against it.
 
2017-04-21 08:48:23 AM  
Grammar School: School started at 7, got up at 6.

High School: School started at 8, got up at 6 because of bus ride.

College: Classes started at 9, got up at 6 because of bus and train rides.

Work: Starts at 7, get up at 5:30 because of commute.

I've been doing it wrong for decades.
 
2017-04-21 08:50:17 AM  

Ant: Basily Gourt: That will certainly prepare them for the real world.

School isn't the real world, it's a place to learn, and if something as simple as starting a little later makes it more likely that kids will learn is a good thing. After they finish school they can find out how crappy the real world is.


Everything is the "real world". School is a pretty big part of that in modern society, both for good and for I'll.
 
2017-04-21 08:51:37 AM  
Studies have shown a slightly later start time actually makes it easier for more kids to get to school, thus improving attendance.  They also show up better rested, so they learn and retain the information better.  The average start time in CA is currently 8:07 AM, with individual districts determining their own time schedule and this bill will simply standardize it.

My oldest attended her freshman year of high school in a mostly rural district.  Start time was 7:55 AM, the school was 15 miles away and the bus served multiple small towns, with the furthest being 20 miles from the school.  This meant the bus got to her stop at 6:00 AM.  I can't count the number of times she missed the bus and I ended up detouring off my 40 mile drive to work to drop her off at school.
 
2017-04-21 08:52:13 AM  

Fano: AntonChigger: Aren't there studies out there showing that slightly later start times have a positive impact on school performance, and excessively early start times have a negative impact?

/lotta trolls and onion belts in this thread

I wanna know why there explicitly has to be a law as opposed to the Dept of Ed saying "this is how it's gonna be."


Have you seen half of the comments above?  If its a law, the parents Mr. Onion and Mrs. Belt can't come into the school board screaming bloody murder about how they did it and its fine for their kids to get up that early.

I had to get up at 530 every day to get to school on time all through high school and I got through it just fine.  However, there have been numerous studies illustrating that pushing start times back can significantly improve the academics of kids.  Its not that getting up that early is "unhealthy" (well, I think it is for me, but I am a night person), its that kids can do better with a later start time.  Everyone saying "oh, its fine, just sleep through class or you are a little tired.  So what, deal with it."  is missing the point.  School is a finite time, if you want to make that time more effective for all involved so that in terms of knowledge and education kids are better prepared for the real world then a later start time really isn't a hard or difficult idea.

/That being said it would make rush hour THAT much worse, and make my work schedule a biatch...
 
2017-04-21 08:52:55 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: vudukungfu: RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.

You had a GARDEN!??!?!

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You were lucky to have a garden!  I would pick up stones from the ditch and sell them for lunch money!
 
2017-04-21 08:54:34 AM  
If you want after school activities and sports to run til 7-8pm then do this.

/there is a reason school starts when it does.
 
2017-04-21 08:54:46 AM  
Also, anyone who schedules things before 8:30 in an office job is crazy. Theoretically people are there at 8, but practically traffic, lack of coffee, and just not being settled in make 8-8:30 only good for email.
 
2017-04-21 08:55:53 AM  
16 year old is up at 5:30. 13 year olds are up at 6. All four of us are out the door at 7. Each go to a different school and they all start before 7:30. I drop th 13 year olds off and then drive another half hour to work.

16 year old started to understand he point of caffeine this year. Balancing school, dance, and a job is hard.

Life. Cope.
 
2017-04-21 08:56:55 AM  

AntonChigger: Aren't there studies out there showing that slightly later start times have a positive impact on school performance, and excessively early start times have a negative impact?

/lotta trolls and onion belts in this thread


Came here to say this.  Legit studies saying exactly this.  My kids' school is voting on this now.  Downside is it messes after school schedules and could make people late to work (young kids need to be minded at bus stop).

Personally I am for it.  Studies seem clear.
 
2017-04-21 08:58:45 AM  
I went from 8 to 4, back in the dawn of time, and looking at my old (Texas) high school's current schedule, they're still pretty close to that.

The high school schedule in Orlando (where I am now) starts at 7:15 and ends at 2:05, with classes ending at 1:05 on Wednesdays. That just seems wrong...
 
2017-04-21 08:59:35 AM  
Are we preparing our children for the road or are we preparing the road for the children?
 
2017-04-21 08:59:47 AM  

cirby: I went from 8 to 4, back in the dawn of time, and looking at my old (Texas) high school's current schedule, they're still pretty close to that.

The high school schedule in Orlando (where I am now) starts at 7:15 and ends at 2:05, with classes ending at 1:05 on Wednesdays. That just seems wrong...


My high school in Ohio was 7:05 until 2:15. Made no sense at all.
 
2017-04-21 09:01:49 AM  

SirEattonHogg: I know it will sound like a "I walked both ways uphill in snow when I was a kid", but since when did school not start promptly at 8am?  At same time, I went to a school 40 minutes away so it was get up at 6:40am every day.  And I lived in a state where it snows.


First bell rang at 7:10 AM at my high school, we had to be seated in class by 7:20 AM. We were promptly released at 2:10 PM every day, I was home by 2:30.

Getting up at 6 in the morning as a teenage girl going through puberty was pure hell.
 
2017-04-21 09:10:37 AM  

RJReves: RJReves: vudukungfu: RJReves: When I was a kid, I woke up at 2:30, in order to milk the cows, weed the vegetable garden, do my paper route, wash and set Nana's hair, and prune the shrubbery, before school.

You had a GARDEN!??!?!

Just farkin' carrots and onions. And useless flowers. I still despise carrots. Onions, they are useful. Carrots can bite the crank.

Flowers are purty.

Carrot soup sucks


Carrot cake: the saddest cake in the world
 
2017-04-21 09:10:56 AM  
On one hand we have a proposed new state regulation based on the best science we have to date, that students do better with later start times. On the other we have feelings and anecdotes. Since it's California it seems Science might have a fighting chance.
 
2017-04-21 09:12:14 AM  
Well, class started at 8:30 but the Three Stooges started at 8.  Fortunately, if I ran to school, I could get to the absentee list before it went in to the principal's office and erase my name.

First hour study hall.  Teacher was in the lounge sucking down coffee and nicotine.
 
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