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(LA Times)   Apparently, Al Qaeda had a hub in Silicon Valley. Well, the guy who ran it just had his citizenship revoked   ( latimes.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 08:10:09 AM  
Hillary will hire him.
 
2017-04-21 08:21:32 AM  
Arrested in 98. Timely article. Good job, Times
 
2017-04-21 08:28:31 AM  
As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.
 
2017-04-21 08:28:43 AM  
Khaled Abu Dahab, 57, an Egyptian-born naturalized U.S. citizen and former Silicon Valley car salesman

Whelp, I didn't think you could be worse than an Silicon Valley tech bro, but here we are.
 
2017-04-21 08:28:59 AM  
For once they find a guy who actually meets the Constitutional definition of treason, and they come up with this?

/ why not https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381 ?
 
2017-04-21 08:30:29 AM  
Never trust a car salesman.
 
2017-04-21 08:32:28 AM  
Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.
 
2017-04-21 08:33:26 AM  
If Al Qeada isn't footing the bill for rent on the place they might have access to ALOT more funding now.
 
2017-04-21 08:35:19 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.


It depends on the countries - there's a bunch of varied situations, but the big issue is that the world in general frowns upon making people stateless, even terrorists. Egypt and America are countries that permit dual-citizenship with each other, so this guy probably just reverted to holding his Egyptian birth citizenship alone. Troubles are when a country requires you to renounce birth citizenship and then threaten your new one.

The reasons for doing so seem to be valid; that is to say, it's not a reactionary punishment to him supporting terrorism(although that's certainly what got him in the spotlight), it's applying for citizenship under false pretenses.
 
2017-04-21 08:39:29 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.


Why the hell not? It's supported under existing law, the guy obviously lied on his naturalization application. It's not like the administration is wiping their ass with the Constitution. Well, at least not with this particular case.
 
2017-04-21 08:39:45 AM  
So... It's just been revoked?
 
2017-04-21 08:41:33 AM  
"The Justice Department is committed to protecting our nation's national security and will aggressively pursue denaturalization of known or suspected terrorists," Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions said in a statement announcing the move

Innocent until proven guilty?  What kind of hogwash is that?  In Trump's 'Murca all it takes to strip someone citizenship is if we're really sure he's a terrorist - no, not even that - if we just think he might be!
 
2017-04-21 08:43:01 AM  
siliconvalleyism.com

What's up, Al-Qaeda?
 
2017-04-21 08:44:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: So... It's just been revoked?


I clicked the link thinking it was revoked Murtaugh-style.
 
2017-04-21 08:45:02 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.


Why would he do that when he can blame Clinton? If Trump's immigration ban had been in place in 1998 this never would have happened!
 
2017-04-21 08:46:33 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: So... It's just been revoked?


Yeah, but not a good revoking.
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2017-04-21 08:50:37 AM  

Kegovitch: cameroncrazy1984: So... It's just been revoked?

Yeah, but not a good revoking.
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2017-04-21 08:52:18 AM  

Shaggy_C: Epoch_Zero: Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.

Why would he do that when he can blame Clinton? If Trump's immigration ban had been in place in 1998 this never would have happened!


Trump's immigration ban would have kept terrorists in the United States from traveling to Egypt where they were arrested?

The real source of the problem here?  Reagan.  He's the one who originally let this guy into the country in 1986.
 
2017-04-21 08:54:46 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.


If there is one common theme to fark these days its most definitely not "Trump sock puppets" blaming Obama for every ill under the sun, but sure as shiat there is someone like yourself that can work in Trumps name to any thread regardless of topic.  Fair warning, there will be Trump dumpers here attributing future atrocities on him even though he has nothing to do with the situation being discussed.  Expect a lot of " InTrumps "America! , {insert some crazy conspiracy theory here}"
 
2017-04-21 08:55:07 AM  
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2017-04-21 08:59:07 AM  

Cuyose: If there is one common theme to fark these days its most definitely not "Trump sock puppets" blaming Obama for every ill under the sun, but sure as shiat there is someone like yourself that can work in Trumps name to any thread regardless of topic.


Sorry, I was under the impression Trump was slightly involved in immigration or something, and that he repeatedly uses Obama to cover his own failures whenever possible. My mistake.
 
2017-04-21 09:05:23 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Cuyose: If there is one common theme to fark these days its most definitely not "Trump sock puppets" blaming Obama for every ill under the sun, but sure as shiat there is someone like yourself that can work in Trumps name to any thread regardless of topic.

Sorry, I was under the impression Trump was slightly involved in immigration or something, and that he repeatedly uses Obama to cover his own failures whenever possible. My mistake.


And commenting on things actually happening as a result of Trumps immigration stance is valid.  Saying people who support Trump will swarming here blaming Obama is not happening.  Trumps immigration policy so far is deporting individuals at a rate lower than Obama's.  I have no criticism of Obamas handling of Immigration particularly, was just pointing out that no one anymore actually makes objective analysis of situations.

I picture most farkers doing google searches when they hear a headline they agree with, just to make sure it wasnt a Republican or Trump responsible.  Then they either, just ignore the thread, or most often start it off with a sure because Obama laid the groundwork, or yeah, this seems good, but it will end in everyone being poor and eating grass by the end of his term!

Is it too much to ask, yes I know this is fark, to address the actual situation and not who gets credit or blame for it?
 
2017-04-21 09:08:33 AM  

snowjack: Dictatorial_Flair: As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.

Why the hell not? It's supported under existing law, the guy obviously lied on his naturalization application. It's not like the administration is wiping their ass with the Constitution. Well, at least not with this particular case.


For the same reasons I am theoretically ok with the death penalty, but I don't trust the government to administer it well enough for it to be justified. I grew up in a state that executed multiple retarded people who were clearly railroaded.

Yanking citizenship isn't a thing I want to normalize, because I don't trust our government not to fark it up in epic fashion.
 
2017-04-21 09:09:02 AM  

Cuyose: Epoch_Zero: Cuyose: If there is one common theme to fark these days its most definitely not "Trump sock puppets" blaming Obama for every ill under the sun, but sure as shiat there is someone like yourself that can work in Trumps name to any thread regardless of topic.

Sorry, I was under the impression Trump was slightly involved in immigration or something, and that he repeatedly uses Obama to cover his own failures whenever possible. My mistake.

And commenting on things actually happening as a result of Trumps immigration stance is valid.  Saying people who support Trump will swarming here blaming Obama is not happening.  Trumps immigration policy so far is deporting individuals at a rate lower than Obama's.  I have no criticism of Obamas handling of Immigration particularly, was just pointing out that no one anymore actually makes objective analysis of situations.

I picture most farkers doing google searches when they hear a headline they agree with, just to make sure it wasnt a Republican or Trump responsible.  Then they either, just ignore the thread, or most often start it off with a sure because Obama laid the groundwork, or yeah, this seems good, but it will end in everyone being poor and eating grass by the end of his term!

Is it too much to ask, yes I know this is fark, to address the actual situation and not who gets credit or blame for it?


Yes, why can't we discuss all the great stuff Trump is doing and the fantastic accomplishments of the Republican  Congress? Like...ummm...ahhh....You start.
 
2017-04-21 09:11:38 AM  

Cuyose: Is it too much to ask, yes I know this is fark, to address the actual situation and not who gets credit or blame for it?


Perhaps the better idea would have been to put a news item with no connection to politics onto the Main tab instead of pigeonholing it into Politics just because it vaguely involves immigration and scary terrust.
 
2017-04-21 09:12:44 AM  

Archidude: Cuyose: Epoch_Zero: Cuyose: If there is one common theme to fark these days its most definitely not "Trump sock puppets" blaming Obama for every ill under the sun, but sure as shiat there is someone l...

Yes, why can't we discuss all the great stuff Trump is doing and the fantastic accomplishments of the Republican  Congress? Like...ummm...ahhh....You start.


When a headline is green lit about all the great stuff Trump is doing ill make those comments in there.  Ill ask you a couple questions though about the actual topic at hand.  See if you can follow along.

1) Do you agree this person should have lost his citizenship?
2) Do you think Trump would have supported it if he was President during this time?
 
2017-04-21 09:16:57 AM  
Its unfortunate, this is actually, albeit not very timely, a situation that could garner a lot of interesting  conversation.  Is it something we want to stand for revoking citizenship for individuals not born here for things they have done.  Would we have done it with a naturally born citizen?  No I dont think we would have.  This actually is concerning to me as it makes citizenship into a tiered kinda thing, I think all citizens once designated should be equal.

But lets talk about Trump I guess.
 
2017-04-21 09:33:13 AM  

Cuyose: Its unfortunate, this is actually, albeit not very timely, a situation that could garner a lot of interesting  conversation.  Is it something we want to stand for revoking citizenship for individuals not born here for things they have done.  Would we have done it with a naturally born citizen?  No I dont think we would have.  This actually is concerning to me as it makes citizenship into a tiered kinda thing, I think all citizens once designated should be equal.

But lets talk about Trump I guess.


From the article it seems like he had his citizenship revoked because he lied when he applied for it. A person with a birth certificate forged to make it look like he was born in the US, or was born to US citizens, should have the same problem. I don't think this is a question of a second-tier citizenship; just a question of whether he actually obtained it properly in the first place.
 
2017-04-21 09:33:50 AM  

Cuyose: Its unfortunate, this is actually, albeit not very timely, a situation that could garner a lot of interesting  conversation.  Is it something we want to stand for revoking citizenship for individuals not born here for things they have done.  Would we have done it with a naturally born citizen?  No I dont think we would have.  This actually is concerning to me as it makes citizenship into a tiered kinda thing, I think all citizens once designated should be equal.

But lets talk about Trump I guess.


You wouldn't do it with a bonrn citizen because you cannot do it with a born citizen. You cannot have your citizenship by birth revoked without your consent no matter what crime you commit. Ever. That's not a fair comparison.

When you naturalize, you CHOOSE to be loyal to your new country. That is very different and comes with obligations that you agreed to. (Young children being naturalised by parents is obviously going to need different analysis not practical in this discussion.)

My fat larger concern would be with the whole "suspected" part. I'm hoping that was just hyperbole, because I doubt it would stand up to the whole Due Process requirement. Obviously such a step should be contingent on a conviction or confession.
 
2017-04-21 09:38:33 AM  
taught foreign fighters to fly hang gliders for terrorist attacks.

The thought of hang gliding terrorists is going to keep me awake at night. "Waleed! Don't worry about that suicide bomb in your truck! We've got hang gliders now!"
 
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2017-04-21 09:39:39 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.


Well he does have a time machine...
 
2017-04-21 09:44:19 AM  
It is amazing what people will confess to when spending time in an Egyptian prison.
 
2017-04-21 10:41:07 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.


Fark that. I'm one of the libbier libs that's libbed here on Fark, and I say kick his ass to the curb.

This is a naturalized immigrant who came to the United States, obtained U.S. citizenship under somewhat fraudulent pretenses, and then facilitated terrorism while under cover of that citizenship.

If he was a natural-born U.S. citizen, yes, I'd be up in arms about the idea of revoking citizenship - that should never be a goddamned option. But this asshole came here, lied repeatedly during his application, even though he knew that naturalization was a privilege, not a right, and received naturalization. He then abused it in a particularly heinous manner.

I have no problem whatsoever revoking this shiatheel's citizenship and escorting his treasonous ass to the border. To be honest, this should be happening more often - serious, repeated felonies committed by naturalized U.S. citizens should make you a candidate for denaturalization. Right now, it's just on the table, typically speaking, for four situations - and this asshole was involved in two of them.
 
2017-04-21 10:48:57 AM  

Cuyose: This actually is concerning to me as it makes citizenship into a tiered kinda thing, I think all citizens once designated should be equal.


Fark that.

Sorry, but citizenship in the United States is, in fact, tiered, and has been for rather a long time. As it is in many other countries.

You're either a citizen at birth, or after birth. The former is irrevocable. The latter is revocable, because you obtain citizenship through derivation or naturalization, both of which can be manipulated. This asshole manipulated the naturalization process - there are, right now, only four farking things you can do to have naturalization revoked:

- Lie about or hide shiat during the process
- Refuse to testify before Congress (for up to 10 years after naturalization)
- Membership in a subversive group
- Dishonorable discharge from the military (before 5 years of service)

That's it. This asshole did two of those four things. Just one is enough to start denaturalization. This asshole thought it'd be great to fraudulently obtain naturalization - a privilege that, right now, tens of thousands of folks work hard at which to get a crack - and then farking facilitate terrorism against this country. He's lucky he's just getting booted.
 
2017-04-21 10:52:30 AM  

FormlessOne: I have no problem whatsoever revoking this shiatheel's citizenship and escorting his treasonous ass to the border.


Agreed. This guy applied for citizenship with treason in his mind at the time.

To be honest, this should be happening more often - serious, repeated felonies committed by naturalized U.S. citizens should make you a candidate for denaturalization.

I disagree. That is what prisons are for.
 
2017-04-21 11:00:47 AM  

snowjack: FormlessOne: I have no problem whatsoever revoking this shiatheel's citizenship and escorting his treasonous ass to the border.

Agreed. This guy applied for citizenship with treason in his mind at the time.

To be honest, this should be happening more often - serious, repeated felonies committed by naturalized U.S. citizens should make you a candidate for denaturalization.

I disagree. That is what prisons are for.


Yes, up to the point where you'd apply the death penalty - I think denaturalization would be quite acceptable in such cases.
 
2017-04-21 11:00:54 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: snowjack: Dictatorial_Flair: As big of a piece of shiat as this guy is, I'm not too keen on going down the "revocation of citizenship" path. Though I suppose being a citizen doesn't really protect you from assassination by drone or elite hit squads nowadays.

Why the hell not? It's supported under existing law, the guy obviously lied on his naturalization application. It's not like the administration is wiping their ass with the Constitution. Well, at least not with this particular case.

For the same reasons I am theoretically ok with the death penalty, but I don't trust the government to administer it well enough for it to be justified. I grew up in a state that executed multiple retarded people who were clearly railroaded.

Yanking citizenship isn't a thing I want to normalize, because I don't trust our government not to fark it up in epic fashion.


That's a good point, but I think I'll wait until it starts happening more often (and in less crystal-clear-cut cases) before I start to worry about it getting normalized.
 
2017-04-21 11:02:00 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Expect every Trump sock puppet to use this talking point and blame Obama, no matter that he was arrested in 98. Fair warning.


The Obama administration, for its entire term, let this guy stay on the books as a citizen despite the overwhelming evidence that he was in league with al Qaida, so who would you tag with the responsibility for that?
 
2017-04-21 11:09:25 AM  

FormlessOne: snowjack: FormlessOne: I have no problem whatsoever revoking this shiatheel's citizenship and escorting his treasonous ass to the border.

Agreed. This guy applied for citizenship with treason in his mind at the time.

To be honest, this should be happening more often - serious, repeated felonies committed by naturalized U.S. citizens should make you a candidate for denaturalization.

I disagree. That is what prisons are for.

Yes, up to the point where you'd apply the death penalty - I think denaturalization would be quite acceptable in such cases.


If it was up to me, I wouldn't apply the death penalty, ever. I oppose it both for moral reasons, and because we actually spend more taxpayer money prosecuting capital cases (with appeal after appeal) than it would cost to lock the farkers away, and house them and feed them for the rest of their natural lives.
 
2017-04-21 11:11:32 AM  
Nah this is dumb. You keep an idiot like this where you can see him and when he starts hanging around with "bad hombres" you swoop in and bust the lot of them.

Now you've just driven everyone he associates with underground.
 
2017-04-21 11:43:48 AM  
Wow. There's a lot of WTF in that article.
 
2017-04-21 12:31:02 PM  

BalugaJoe: Hillary will hire him.


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2017-04-21 09:11:00 PM  

snowjack: FormlessOne: snowjack: FormlessOne: I have no problem whatsoever revoking this shiatheel's citizenship and escorting his treasonous ass to the border.

Agreed. This guy applied for citizenship with treason in his mind at the time.

To be honest, this should be happening more often - serious, repeated felonies committed by naturalized U.S. citizens should make you a candidate for denaturalization.

I disagree. That is what prisons are for.

Yes, up to the point where you'd apply the death penalty - I think denaturalization would be quite acceptable in such cases.

If it was up to me, I wouldn't apply the death penalty, ever. I oppose it both for moral reasons, and because we actually spend more taxpayer money prosecuting capital cases (with appeal after appeal) than it would cost to lock the farkers away, and house them and feed them for the rest of their natural lives.


Actually, we're in violent agreement on this, too, I think - the worst part about the death penalty is the fact that we're wrong too goddamned often. I agree with you, in that I'd rather pay for their life-long incarceration, with the added bonus of being able to end it if the prisoner turns out not to be guilty. It's hard to reverse the death penalty after they've been hustled off this mortal coil by the state.

I'm not for the death penalty - I'm for finding alternate forms of punishment, including denaturalization for naturalized citizens.
 
2017-04-21 10:44:49 PM  
TIL: citizenship can be revoked.
Even for people born here?
 
2017-04-21 11:16:13 PM  

dababler: TIL: citizenship can be revoked.
Even for people born here?


Well, sure, if you were born under false pretenses. Hatching from an egg, for instance, or immigrated via stork..
 
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