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(CNN)   China has put their bombers on high alert and the rest of their military aircraft are being brought up to full readiness for what I'm sure is no reason whatsoever   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 02:10:21 AM  
19 votes:
F*ck Donald Trump.
2017-04-21 06:49:30 AM  
15 votes:
Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.
2017-04-21 04:40:38 AM  
15 votes:
After all the insane pronouncements, dick waving and saber rattling by Krazy Kim and Dumbass Donnie it is now up to China to be the only adult in the room and try to chill to two petulant child-men out.
2017-04-21 07:27:56 AM  
14 votes:
I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.
2017-04-21 07:26:19 AM  
14 votes:
I'm thinking this isn't aimed at us. They aren't ready to take us on. They don't have the force projection yet.

This is aimed at the idiot who is within their range, who they admitted that they lost control over and who continues to provoke the US with Trump in office.

Better for them to take out NK's infrastructure that is threatening Japan and giving them good reason to rearm. Better to show the world that they can police their own sphere of influence and show on the world stage that they have the will to do so.

They don't need to get rid of Kim, they just need to get rid of his nuclear program and launch facilities.

If we were ten, even five years down the path I would agree that it is alarming. They are building up their navy for a reason. But they aren't able to wage an intercontinental war unless it is purely a nuclear strike. And China isn't going to do that preemptively. They know we have second strike capability. And they wouldn't need to mobilize bombers for that.
2017-04-21 06:37:52 AM  
14 votes:

ObscureNameHere: Hmmm....  maybe I'll call that nice salesman from "Vault-Tec" back......


In the event of nuclear war, I have no desire to survive the first flash.
2017-04-21 02:18:24 AM  
11 votes:

Ghastly: Sabres ain't gonna rattle themselves.


China hasn't been real big on that lately except when something goes wrong internally and they need to remind their own people that the Loving And Paternal Government keeps it's pimp hand strong.  Even those "islands" of theirs they're basically just building 'em, arming 'em, and shrugging like, "What? What are YOU going to do about it?  Start WWIII?  Didn't think so.  Go home and order another 100,000 tons of plastic crap from my factories on your shinebox."

So, I mean, if they are sabre rattling at us, it's kind of not a good sign.
2017-04-21 05:57:26 AM  
10 votes:

quatchi: After all the insane pronouncements, dick waving and saber rattling by Krazy Kim and Dumbass Donnie it is now up to China to be the only adult in the room and try to chill to two petulant child-men out.


I hope not.  That's really not one of their strong suits.

Here's my admittedly very limited interpretation of how it goes.

They start out benevolent and magnanimous.  Something happens and they become super polite, but open to being reminded about how benevolent and magnanimous they are because they're so great.  Then, they outright tell you what's going to or not going to happen.

Up till now, same basic pattern as all diplomacy.  There's no inscrutable orient thing to it.  Same shiat, different time zone.  But there is where a philosophical divergence takes place.  For the west, this is the point in negotiations where shiat gets real.  Time to lay it on.  Up the ante.  Make a power play.  Close the deal.  For Russia it means the other guy blinked, flex back at them, but open your other hand and remind them how great and benevolent and magnanimous you can be.

For China, that was it.  That was the end of negotiation.  Negotiation happens during the other parts where you remember how great and magnanimous they are.  Things done got farked and they have altered the deal, pray they do not alter it further.  Up till now we've had plenty of career diplomats who were quite aware of how it worked, And at some levels we still do.  I wonder if they have any way to communicate that to anyone above them, or if anyone above them will bother to find out who they are and ask.

Obama was an interesting case in that he very rarely ever went to step 3, and even when he did there wasn't the usual escalation, it was more like things were declared but step 2 continued throughout.  The quieter and softer he got, the more drone-farked someone was about be.  I think it honestly hurt Putin's feelings that he couldn't decide for sure if Obama had blinked.

Also, we could have ended up with someone who played hardball like the Chinese.  Diplomacy until declaration, and then done.  I'm going to admit, since I said it a few times before the election anyway, I was actually more than a little worried about how that would go down faced off against the Russians.  Putin would have taken it as a blink and wanted to push his advantage, and I doubt that would have gone well.  I was really really hoping to see how badly that went for Congress, though.

Well, thank god we avoided that all together, eh?  Just skip right past all of the diplomacy and go straight to outright buffonish gaffes, insults, empty chest thumping, and weak-spined wheedling.
2017-04-21 02:04:25 AM  
8 votes:
Sabres ain't gonna rattle themselves.
2017-04-21 09:27:46 AM  
7 votes:

RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.

The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.

I disagree. For Trump, the priority is attention, imho. Wealth is a way, but not an end. Otherwise, how do you explain The Apprentice, or his involvement in the WWE?


Actually it's both.
Trump believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. It only pushes the name out there and makes it more recognizable on properties.

It's funny how both are spoiled brats who inherited their wealth/power and somehow think they've created it themselves.
Still have to commend both for staying so long in the game.

If you want me to guess how this will unfold; China will amass on the NorK border while still appearing to be ambiguous and a threat-yet-possible-ally. Then all of a sudden, little Kim gets assassinated, bit of turmoil (real or otherwise), China moves in to 'stabilize' the country (with previous, clandestine US blessing), a puppet government will be set up.
Basically, NK will be Hong Kong version 2.0.
The US will come out and explain how they coordinated this with the Chinese "for the greater good of the people and politics worldwide", and will get trade and infrastructure deals out of this, which they will purchase material from China.

Viola, capitalistic state, with Chinese oversight.

/remember my words if they do unfold as such
2017-04-21 07:34:02 AM  
6 votes:

That Guy...From That Show!: It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.


I fail to see how last years election has anything to do with democracy.
2017-04-21 07:04:52 AM  
6 votes:

RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.


The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.
2017-04-21 06:56:34 AM  
6 votes:
Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.
2017-04-21 08:04:47 AM  
5 votes:

That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.


I am less scared of an intentional attack than an accident that is misinterpreted.

We have an empty state department headed by a guy who seems to not speak to Trump (they've contradicted each other more than once now).

We might rely on the theory of MAD or that sheer greed would prevent full-scale horror and destruction but one lowly technician or overzealous staffer, some misque and nobody around to pick up the phone and be diplomatic about it?

Yeah, I worry.
2017-04-21 07:43:11 AM  
5 votes:
Maybe they are on high alert.  But then maybe they are on high alert just like the Chinese sent 150,000 troops to the North Korean border but they really didn't and just like the USS Carl Vinson was steaming to Korea but really wasn't.
2017-04-21 07:14:57 AM  
5 votes:
Checkov's gun was a metaphor, people. The world is not a play. Having a gun on the wall in act I does not mean you have to shoot someone in act II
2017-04-21 11:13:53 AM  
4 votes:

foxyshadis: Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.

I'm pretty sure China is a lot more worried about their own cities as targets than about starting Korean War act 2. It's very much up in the air which side they would take if open hostilities broke out; they have lots of competing interests and really, really want the status quo to remain. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to assassinate the problem away.


I'm actually leaning more towards them siding with us.  Having Best Korea and an ally doesn't really provide them anything besides a small buffer for invasion, and in today technology it doesn't really even provide that any more.

The US specifically, and a lot of its allies are literally the Chinese economy.  If we go to war their economy tanks.  Their saving grace in a war with US is the sheer size of their military, but if they aren't getting paid or fed the likelihood of their army wanting to continue to fight is pretty small.

Are they really willing to destroy their entire economy over what the North Koreans provide?  Which is......  A small buffer from us invading them, that doesn't really even exist anymore?
2017-04-21 10:28:04 AM  
4 votes:

Colour_out_of_Space: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast middle & work your way west south.

The coasts didn't vote for this shiat


One day recently I was looking at Nukemap, thinking about what areas could realistically be nuked in the US, should all hell break loose. At first I thought where I live would be spared a quick death, instead turning into a little isolated outpost of humanity. Hitting population centers on the coasts would obviously devastate the country, but then I remembered that there are also parts of our infrastructure that'd be big, fat targets in middle of the US. Power plants, dams, Kansas City (connecting the country by rail), uranium mines in CO... Fair amounts of middle America would see fire in the sky.

Where I am may deal fairly well/not be wiped out if major cities are nuked (depending on the winds if SLC is vaporized), but this is also oil/gas/coal/uranium country. Even without nukes, hitting just a lot of infrastructure in the US and NOT population zones could be catastrophic.
2017-04-21 09:50:29 AM  
4 votes:

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast middle & work your way west south.


The coasts didn't vote for this shiat
2017-04-21 09:28:11 AM  
4 votes:
Update: Russia is also moving troops to the border of North Korea, although they say it is part of "planned maneuvers".  South Korea is on heightened alert.

My take on this is that everyone expects North Korea to conduct a nuclear test today, and nobody knows how Trump will react to that, and how Kim Jung-Un will react to that.

So they are preparing for the worst - war on the Korean peninsula.
2017-04-21 08:53:02 AM  
4 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: Up till now, same basic pattern as all diplomacy.  There's no inscrutable orient thing to it.  Same shiat, different time zone.  But there is where a philosophical divergence takes place.  For the west, this is the point in negotiations where shiat gets real.  Time to lay it on.  Up the ante.  Make a power play.  Close the deal.  For Russia it means the other guy blinked, flex back at them, but open your other hand and remind them how great and benevolent and magnanimous you can be.


It's worthwhile to consider other perspectives, though, too.

Trump negotiates in a way completely counter to 200 years of experience of negotiating with American leaders. I suspect their career diplomats are being badly wrong-footed by Trump, too. And for all they assume he might be an idiot, there's still the entire career American bureaucracy behind him. The US closed out both the Civil War and WWII without their head of state, and won their independence without any form of effective central governance. Their state institutions and military work just fine on autopilot.
2017-04-21 07:39:35 AM  
4 votes:

winedrinkingman: I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.


I hope this is the case.  I will take a bloated bureaucracy over a dictatorship any day when it comes to nuclear control.  All Kim has to do is decide to push the button.  In China's case, it would at least take months for a decision to be made.
2017-04-21 07:34:03 AM  
4 votes:

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


Two things.  West coast is assurably going to be f'd first since it is closest.

Second, China hopefully is getting beyond their protectionism of North Korea.  Dear Kim is openly defying China and disrespect is one thing China doesn't take too kindly too.
2017-04-21 06:55:25 AM  
4 votes:

That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.


None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.
2017-04-21 06:46:56 AM  
4 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.


I think it's more they don't want a western allied nation literally on the border.  The coal might as well just be an excuse to keeping sending DPRK enough food that they don't all starve to death under Fatty Dingdong.
2017-04-21 06:27:51 AM  
4 votes:

Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.


I'm pretty sure China is a lot more worried about their own cities as targets than about starting Korean War act 2. It's very much up in the air which side they would take if open hostilities broke out; they have lots of competing interests and really, really want the status quo to remain. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to assassinate the problem away.
2017-04-21 11:51:52 AM  
3 votes:
China will kill Kim and annex North Korea. It would be incredibly stupid for them to declare hostilities on their #1 economic tie. I doubt they will step in until the very last minute though, like if Kim tests another nuke.

I'm sure they've had this planned ever since they decided to let NK remain a stand-alone republic in the 50's. Keep a buffer between the US and their border for a fraction of a penny on the dollar and not have to deal with millions of new citizens at once until they had to. Incentive is gone, real threat of nuclear escalation on their doorstep. Bye bye NK government.

It's a good opportunity for them to show the world their military capability as well, which they have been heavily investing in over the last 20 years and haven't had a chance to use.
2017-04-21 09:52:21 AM  
3 votes:

quatchi: After all the insane pronouncements, dick waving and saber rattling by Krazy Kim and Dumbass Donnie it is now up to China to be the only adult in the room and try to chill to two petulant child-men out.


Yeah, no. China isn't the adult in the room. It's opportunistic middleman that's going to try and gain benefits out of an opportunity.
2017-04-21 09:35:30 AM  
3 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: Ghastly: Sabres ain't gonna rattle themselves.

China hasn't been real big on that lately except when something goes wrong internally and they need to remind their own people that the Loving And Paternal Government keeps it's pimp hand strong.  Even those "islands" of theirs they're basically just building 'em, arming 'em, and shrugging like, "What? What are YOU going to do about it?  Start WWIII?  Didn't think so.  Go home and order another 100,000 tons of plastic crap from my factories on your shinebox."

So, I mean, if they are sabre rattling at us, it's kind of not a good sign.


The thing I like about those is that AFAIK nobody's figured out how to make a permanent artificial island yet.  Even those massive, fancy resort islands in the Persian Gulf require hideously expensive, heavy-engineering maintenence to keep from washing away in less than a decade.  Either China's going to have to spend a dispoportionate amount keeping those islands up and running, or they'll just go away on their own, eventually.

As far as functional airbases go, some pocket carriers probably would have been cheaper.  But you can't assert territorial rights with a ship, so...
2017-04-21 09:29:05 AM  
3 votes:
Russia has started moving troops, and now China. If I were China I'd be as worried about Russia as anything else with NK, Putin is probably looking for some way to profit from any chaos. It's one more thing to add to the mess there right now.
I'm hoping it's a bunch of show and the whole thing blows over. There's no good time for NK to collapse but this is a particularly bad time.
2017-04-21 09:21:33 AM  
3 votes:

foxyshadis: Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.

I'm pretty sure China is a lot more worried about their own cities as targets than about starting Korean War act 2. It's very much up in the air which side they would take if open hostilities broke out; they have lots of competing interests and really, really want the status quo to remain. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to assassinate the problem away.


I'm gonna keep pointing this out, because a lot of folks don't know. China has a defense treaty with NK. Until 2021. There are two options that don't involve them exactly taking NK's side - assassination, like you suggest, putting NK into the hands of the military, or at best, standing by and doing nothing. If they feel that they have to enter a conflict, they will enter it on the side of NK.

Side note, NK is expected to have proper ICBM capability by 2020. So Trump has to either work a deal with Xi so that they look the other way while he bombs NK's tech centers, or he has to grumble and look like a fool and admit that yes, NK will be able to threaten the US on his watch, killing another of his campaign promises.
2017-04-21 08:51:44 AM  
3 votes:

foxyshadis: Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.

I'm pretty sure China is a lot more worried about their own cities as targets than about starting Korean War act 2. It's very much up in the air which side they would take if open hostilities broke out; they have lots of competing interests and really, really want the status quo to remain. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to assassinate the problem away.


Yep, note that the article contains no statements from the Chinese about what they might do if Trump does something.  That suggest they're probably threatening someone else.
2017-04-21 07:42:55 AM  
3 votes:

TheYeti: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.

You want to end the world because we elected Trump?


Are you kidding, for a lot of them, it's why they voted for them.  Burn it all down, writ large.
2017-04-21 07:10:05 AM  
3 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.


China stopped taking their coal a while ago.
2017-04-21 03:39:51 PM  
2 votes:

RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2,

lifting their massive guts out of the way and shaking the few inches of their peckers that aren't enveloped in pasty mottled flab at each other.

FTFY. Enjoy the visual 🤢
2017-04-21 11:05:42 AM  
2 votes:

jethroe: The Irresponsible Captain: Russia has started moving troops, and now China. If I were China I'd be as worried about Russia as anything else with NK, Putin is probably looking for some way to profit from any chaos. It's one more thing to add to the mess there right now.
I'm hoping it's a bunch of show and the whole thing blows over. There's no good time for NK to collapse but this is a particularly bad time.

China is co-ordinating WITH Russia, and those troops are going to the NK border.  China and Russia are allies, neighbors and trading partners.  Neither wants millions of North Korean refugees streaming into their country.  Saner minds will prevail.


Moving forces to their borders with Korea doesn't require any sort of coordination with the other.

And it's dramatically overstating the case to call China and Russia "allies." They cooperate on almost nothing militarily, and usually only cooperate diplomatically when they're opposing American intervention somewhere in Asia. China's gotten to the point where they need almost nothing from the Russians tech-wise, and in most aspects, they're now rivals to the Russians, both in terms of power parity and courting foreign arms sales.

You're right when you say that neither wants a flood of refugees, but Russia doesn't really need any cooperation from China to make that happen. Their fraction of the border is absolutely tiny, is open/rural terrain, doesn't have major cities along it like Donggang / Dangong, and Koreans are easily identifiable against the Russian locals --- their border is very easily sealed off.
2017-04-21 11:05:39 AM  
2 votes:

kittyhas1000legs: Colour_out_of_Space: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast middle & work your way west south.

The coasts didn't vote for this shiat

One day recently I was looking at Nukemap, thinking about what areas could realistically be nuked in the US, should all hell break loose. At first I thought where I live would be spared a quick death, instead turning into a little isolated outpost of humanity. Hitting population centers on the coasts would obviously devastate the country, but then I remembered that there are also parts of our infrastructure that'd be big, fat targets in middle of the US. Power plants, dams, Kansas City (connecting the country by rail), uranium mines in CO... Fair amounts of middle America would see fire in the sky.

Where I am may deal fairly well/not be wiped out if major cities are nuked (depending on the winds if SLC is vaporized), but this is also oil/gas/coal/uranium country. Even without nukes, hitting just a lot of infrastructure in the US and NOT population zones could be catastrophic.


If you don't have the ability to project force to put boots on the ground to hold it, that's actually preferable.  The burning, looting, and cannibalism will take care of the stuff you didn't hit, and the human animal mobs will keep anyone from rebuilding or taking the territory you cleared for them.  If you did have the means to secure the territory killing the people and leaving the infrastructure would be better, obviously.
2017-04-21 09:38:39 AM  
2 votes:

starsrift: I'm gonna keep pointing this out, because a lot of folks don't know. China has a defense treaty with NK. Until 2021. There are two options that don't involve them exactly taking NK's side - assassination, like you suggest, putting NK into the hands of the military, or at best, standing by and doing nothing. If they feel that they have to enter a conflict, they will enter it on the side of NK.


Maybe. Treaties are worth the paper they're printed on when the chips are down; every major power has broken treaties in the past, when adhering to them would put them in an adverse and untenable position.
2017-04-21 09:10:11 AM  
2 votes:
This whole thing kinda smacks of, "good cop, bad cop". The U.S. and China playing North Korea
to get this over. The U.S. doesn't really want to screw around with this..When it comes down to it,
This isn't our problem. We've lived for 50+ years with a Communist North Korea and "Communist"
China. China hasn't really been hard core Communist since a couple of leaders past Mao.Just like
Russia, they are now more a technocracy/oligarchy. They just want to keep making a profit and keep
the people from revolting (They stink on ice you know)..
2017-04-21 07:43:24 AM  
2 votes:

chewd: That Guy...From That Show!: It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.

I fail to see how last years election has anything to do with democracy.


Exactly, you're proving this point.
2017-04-21 07:39:41 AM  
2 votes:

That Guy...From That Show!: RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.

The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.


I disagree. For Trump, the priority is attention, imho. Wealth is a way, but not an end. Otherwise, how do you explain The Apprentice, or his involvement in the WWE?
2017-04-21 07:29:49 AM  
2 votes:

TheYeti: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.

You want to end the world because we elected Trump?


It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.
2017-04-21 07:26:52 AM  
2 votes:

Johnny Rockets: Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.

China stopped taking their coal a while ago.



They actually suspended ALL coal shipments for the entire year of 2017.  Rejected a $11m shipment in February.
2017-04-21 07:16:00 AM  
2 votes:

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


You want to end the world because we elected Trump?
2017-04-21 06:36:56 AM  
2 votes:

Mad Scientist: Maybe I'll stop drinking Coke for a while.


Maybe try snorting it like you're supposed to?
2017-04-21 06:29:10 AM  
2 votes:
Hmmm....  maybe I'll call that nice salesman from "Vault-Tec" back......
2017-04-21 08:06:21 PM  
1 vote:
G*d d*mn it, Trump, you fascist sack of schitt, you better not start a war before my trip to Finland!
2017-04-21 03:12:04 PM  
1 vote:

Swampmaster: Colour_out_of_Space: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast middle & work your way west south.

The coasts didn't vote for this shiat

Nor did So Korea and Japan; but they will get the majority of damage/death and radiation. And fish... won't someone think of the schools of fish? (trying for that children vibe; but it doesn't quite work...)


On the plus side, there aren't actually many fish left in Japan's waters.
2017-04-21 01:17:49 PM  
1 vote:

RedComrade: Has there ever been a moment in history where a military formation was relocated and brought to a higher readiness standard complete with a complete maintenance overhaul and NOT used in combat? Didn't china just deploy a shiat load of mechanized troops to their border with North Korea?

Now reports that Russia is also moving troops to their portion of the shared boarder with North Korea and it looks like we have at the very least a major escalation and chance for someone to kick off an incident that can cascade out of control.

Trump and his roaming band of idiots are going to lead this nation into hell aren't they?


Your name says it all.
2017-04-21 01:01:07 PM  
1 vote:

evilized: China will kill Kim and annex North Korea. It would be incredibly stupid for them to declare hostilities on their #1 economic tie. I doubt they will step in until the very last minute though, like if Kim tests another nuke.

I'm sure they've had this planned ever since they decided to let NK remain a stand-alone republic in the 50's. Keep a buffer between the US and their border for a fraction of a penny on the dollar and not have to deal with millions of new citizens at once until they had to. Incentive is gone, real threat of nuclear escalation on their doorstep. Bye bye NK government.

It's a good opportunity for them to show the world their military capability as well, which they have been heavily investing in over the last 20 years and haven't had a chance to use.


It'll be a puppet regime.  I doubt they are keen at all about acquiring a new territory with additional population.   China is still in many ways a developing country and has a gigantic underclass it needs to feed and keep employed.  Koreans are foreigners, don't speak the same language and have been living in their own Stalinist world since 1945.  It's a shiatty tiny economy that would take quite a sum to get up to spec with the rest of China.

China will want to kill Kim Jong Un through some sort of coup'd etat and impose somebody who will run things as per Beijing's wishes.  They could do an invasion although that's a pricey proposition.  In either case, install a true satellite state similar to the old Soviet bloc countries.  It was going to be headed by Kim Jong Un's older brother who was Pro-China but now they need to find someone else - someone maybe related to the Kim family to lend legitimacy.
2017-04-21 12:25:15 PM  
1 vote:

LewDux: BigNumber12: LewDux: BigNumber12: and Koreans are easily identifiable against the Russian locals

I'd imagine there quite a lot of Chinese there.
/Difference between Chinese and North Koreans is about 1 feet

Looks like there aren't a ton. Of a population of ~2,000,000:

[img.fark.net image 438x321]

I still stand by "1 feet" part


You're not wrong
2017-04-21 12:18:23 PM  
1 vote:

kittyhas1000legs: HumanSVD:

/whole world's going down the tubes
//you'd think it'd be one world, one tube
///but a tube that big?


The world is no more going 'down the tubes' now than it was in the early 1800's, 1914, 1939, 1948-1989, 2001 etc.etc.

Only people with no sense of history believe that humanity is on some sort trajectory (up or down).   In fact, GENERALLY speaking, far more people are 'better off' than they were 100 and 200 years ago.
2017-04-21 12:01:33 PM  
1 vote:
Big question is what side is China on. Must be as tired of NK's shiat as we are.
2017-04-21 11:41:01 AM  
1 vote:
China is gearing up to annex Best Korea. It's really is a win-win situation for everyone. Except for the few or the one in power but their loss is everyone's win.
2017-04-21 11:28:56 AM  
1 vote:

RedComrade: Has there ever been a moment in history where a military formation was relocated and brought to a higher readiness standard complete with a complete maintenance overhaul and NOT used in combat? Didn't china just deploy a shiat load of mechanized troops to their border with North Korea?

Now reports that Russia is also moving troops to their portion of the shared boarder with North Korea and it looks like we have at the very least a major escalation and chance for someone to kick off an incident that can cascade out of control.

Trump and his roaming band of idiots are going to lead this nation into hell aren't they?


That's basically the meaning of "sabre rattling." Military forces have probably been moved and threatened a hundred times for every actual war; do you really believe every military movement is a prelude to battle?
2017-04-21 11:10:09 AM  
1 vote:

jethroe: China and Russia are allies, neighbors and trading partners.


China is allied with Russia in the same way the US is.
2017-04-21 10:52:02 AM  
1 vote:
We will be waltzed into ww3 by Trump and the lack of media asking questions. This is ego driven, now the prep school bully has nukes.
2017-04-21 10:07:37 AM  
1 vote:

Resident Muslim: RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.

The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.

I disagree. For Trump, the priority is attention, imho. Wealth is a way, but not an end. Otherwise, how do you explain The Apprentice, or his involvement in the WWE?

Actually it's both.
Trump believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. It only pushes the name out there and makes it more recognizable on properties.

It's funny how both are spoiled brats who inherited their wealth/power and somehow think they've created it themselves.
Still have to commend both for staying so long in the game.

If you want me to guess how this will unfold; China will amass on the NorK border while still appearing to be ambiguous and a threat-yet-possible-ally. Then all of a sudden, little Kim gets assassinated, bit of turmoil (real or otherwise), China moves in to 'stabilize' the country (with previous, clandestine US blessing), a puppet government will be set up.
Basically, NK will be Hong Kong version 2.0.
The US will come out and explain how they coordinated this with the Chinese "for the greater good of the people and politics worldwide", and will get trade and infrastructure deals out of this, which they will purchase material from China.

Viola, capitalistic state, with Chinese oversight.

/remember my wor ...


I'd be okay with the scenario as you describe. Preferable to an actual war. Not a good time, nor does anyone want to deal with the mess of integrating the NKs into modern day society.

But everyone seems to blame Trump so much for this, I content this toilet of a situation was going to overflow no matter. Literally every administration (and other governments near NK) have been kicking this can down the road for so long. Obama basically did nothing, Bush focused his attention on the wrong country, and the deal with Clinton 1.0 absolutely did nothing.

And China, when toad frog Jiang Zemin was in power, were the ones that gave NK the material in the first place. So no, China is not the adult in the room. Trump or no Trump, this isn't his fault. And doing nothing bowing down to appease isn't going to do anything. It has not nor ever will work. So I hope the scenario you presented happens.
2017-04-21 10:04:04 AM  
1 vote:
Has there ever been a moment in history where a military formation was relocated and brought to a higher readiness standard complete with a complete maintenance overhaul and NOT used in combat? Didn't china just deploy a shiat load of mechanized troops to their border with North Korea?

Now reports that Russia is also moving troops to their portion of the shared boarder with North Korea and it looks like we have at the very least a major escalation and chance for someone to kick off an incident that can cascade out of control.

Trump and his roaming band of idiots are going to lead this nation into hell aren't they?
2017-04-21 09:57:47 AM  
1 vote:

OlderGuy: winedrinkingman: I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.

+1     Pretty much nailed it... a unified Korea would resolve lots of issues, and we could bring our guys home..


Clinton would be the one more for colonialism.
2017-04-21 09:56:18 AM  
1 vote:
Let's do what we did in WWII...carpet-bomb the fark out of the DPRK *without* resorting to nukes.

/but really...does KJU *really* want to risk instant annihilation?
//scratch that...he's a farking nutjob
2017-04-21 09:56:07 AM  
1 vote:

The Irresponsible Captain: Russia has started moving troops, and now China. If I were China I'd be as worried about Russia as anything else with NK, Putin is probably looking for some way to profit from any chaos. It's one more thing to add to the mess there right now.


VVP approves
2017-04-21 09:40:35 AM  
1 vote:

The Irresponsible Captain: Russia has started moving troops, and now China. If I were China I'd be as worried about Russia as anything else with NK, Putin is probably looking for some way to profit from any chaos. It's one more thing to add to the mess there right now.
I'm hoping it's a bunch of show and the whole thing blows over. There's no good time for NK to collapse but this is a particularly bad time.



China is co-ordinating WITH Russia, and those troops are going to the NK border.  China and Russia are allies, neighbors and trading partners.  Neither wants millions of North Korean refugees streaming into their country.  Saner minds will prevail.
2017-04-21 09:16:09 AM  
1 vote:

winedrinkingman: I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.


+1     Pretty much nailed it... a unified Korea would resolve lots of issues, and we could bring our guys home..
2017-04-21 08:56:03 AM  
1 vote:

LowbrowDeluxe: I think it's more they don't want a western allied nation literally on the border.


They already have two nominally-western-allied nuclear nations sharing a land border, and have three more on their coastal borders.
2017-04-21 08:14:37 AM  
1 vote:
Trump seems determined to have the world in flames with his incompetence.
2017-04-21 07:55:54 AM  
1 vote:
China is still behind us, their bombers don't have blackjack, or hookers.
2017-04-21 07:09:43 AM  
1 vote:

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


Whoa whoa whoa.

Nuke Utah first.
2017-04-21 06:56:19 AM  
1 vote:

SomeAmerican: In the meantime:

Pentagon Experiences Communications Breakdown


Communication Breakdown?

That drives me insane!
2017-04-21 06:44:29 AM  
1 vote:
LowbrowDeluxe: Time to lay it on.  Up the ante.  Make a power play.  Close the deal.  Light up the rocks.  Rock the Casbah.

FTFY
2017-04-21 06:41:31 AM  
1 vote:

WTFDYW: Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.

No, YOU!


Not even with Palin's dick
2017-04-21 06:41:14 AM  
1 vote:
What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.
2017-04-21 06:39:43 AM  
1 vote:

Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.


No, YOU!
2017-04-21 03:06:52 AM  
1 vote:
I'm sure Deadbeat Donny's armada will reach the area any day now.  Nothing to worry about.
 
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