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2017-04-21 02:04:25 AM  
Sabres ain't gonna rattle themselves.
 
2017-04-21 02:10:21 AM  
F*ck Donald Trump.
 
2017-04-21 02:18:06 AM  
DMX - Party Up (Up In Here)
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2017-04-21 02:18:24 AM  

Ghastly: Sabres ain't gonna rattle themselves.


China hasn't been real big on that lately except when something goes wrong internally and they need to remind their own people that the Loving And Paternal Government keeps it's pimp hand strong.  Even those "islands" of theirs they're basically just building 'em, arming 'em, and shrugging like, "What? What are YOU going to do about it?  Start WWIII?  Didn't think so.  Go home and order another 100,000 tons of plastic crap from my factories on your shinebox."

So, I mean, if they are sabre rattling at us, it's kind of not a good sign.
 
2017-04-21 03:06:52 AM  
I'm sure Deadbeat Donny's armada will reach the area any day now.  Nothing to worry about.
 
2017-04-21 04:40:38 AM  
After all the insane pronouncements, dick waving and saber rattling by Krazy Kim and Dumbass Donnie it is now up to China to be the only adult in the room and try to chill to two petulant child-men out.
 
2017-04-21 05:57:26 AM  

quatchi: After all the insane pronouncements, dick waving and saber rattling by Krazy Kim and Dumbass Donnie it is now up to China to be the only adult in the room and try to chill to two petulant child-men out.


I hope not.  That's really not one of their strong suits.

Here's my admittedly very limited interpretation of how it goes.

They start out benevolent and magnanimous.  Something happens and they become super polite, but open to being reminded about how benevolent and magnanimous they are because they're so great.  Then, they outright tell you what's going to or not going to happen.

Up till now, same basic pattern as all diplomacy.  There's no inscrutable orient thing to it.  Same shiat, different time zone.  But there is where a philosophical divergence takes place.  For the west, this is the point in negotiations where shiat gets real.  Time to lay it on.  Up the ante.  Make a power play.  Close the deal.  For Russia it means the other guy blinked, flex back at them, but open your other hand and remind them how great and benevolent and magnanimous you can be.

For China, that was it.  That was the end of negotiation.  Negotiation happens during the other parts where you remember how great and magnanimous they are.  Things done got farked and they have altered the deal, pray they do not alter it further.  Up till now we've had plenty of career diplomats who were quite aware of how it worked, And at some levels we still do.  I wonder if they have any way to communicate that to anyone above them, or if anyone above them will bother to find out who they are and ask.

Obama was an interesting case in that he very rarely ever went to step 3, and even when he did there wasn't the usual escalation, it was more like things were declared but step 2 continued throughout.  The quieter and softer he got, the more drone-farked someone was about be.  I think it honestly hurt Putin's feelings that he couldn't decide for sure if Obama had blinked.

Also, we could have ended up with someone who played hardball like the Chinese.  Diplomacy until declaration, and then done.  I'm going to admit, since I said it a few times before the election anyway, I was actually more than a little worried about how that would go down faced off against the Russians.  Putin would have taken it as a blink and wanted to push his advantage, and I doubt that would have gone well.  I was really really hoping to see how badly that went for Congress, though.

Well, thank god we avoided that all together, eh?  Just skip right past all of the diplomacy and go straight to outright buffonish gaffes, insults, empty chest thumping, and weak-spined wheedling.
 
2017-04-21 06:24:34 AM  
Basement Jaxx - Red Alert
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2017-04-21 06:27:51 AM  

Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.


I'm pretty sure China is a lot more worried about their own cities as targets than about starting Korean War act 2. It's very much up in the air which side they would take if open hostilities broke out; they have lots of competing interests and really, really want the status quo to remain. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to assassinate the problem away.
 
2017-04-21 06:28:30 AM  
R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World
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2017-04-21 06:29:10 AM  
Hmmm....  maybe I'll call that nice salesman from "Vault-Tec" back......
 
2017-04-21 06:31:58 AM  
Maybe I'll stop drinking Coke for a while.
 
2017-04-21 06:32:51 AM  
The antici................
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pation is delicious
 
2017-04-21 06:36:56 AM  

Mad Scientist: Maybe I'll stop drinking Coke for a while.


Maybe try snorting it like you're supposed to?
 
2017-04-21 06:37:52 AM  

ObscureNameHere: Hmmm....  maybe I'll call that nice salesman from "Vault-Tec" back......


In the event of nuclear war, I have no desire to survive the first flash.
 
2017-04-21 06:39:43 AM  

Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.


No, YOU!
 
2017-04-21 06:40:02 AM  
And China appeared to reciprocate Wednesday, with Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang saying Beijing was "gravely concerned" about North Korea's recent nuclear and missile activities while simultaneously praising Washington's approach to the issue.

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An Animality should calm their asses down.
 
2017-04-21 06:40:12 AM  

RJReves: ObscureNameHere: Hmmm....  maybe I'll call that nice salesman from "Vault-Tec" back......

In the event of nuclear war, I have no desire to survive the first flash.


I love car combat games but hate being around cars in real life.  Physics are not your friend.  At least a goddamn horse has to choose to kick you.  I kind of want to live long enough to become a feral road warrior and get killed by the protagonist of the story.  No cannibalism, though.  Just seems unsanitary.
 
2017-04-21 06:41:14 AM  
What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.
 
2017-04-21 06:41:31 AM  

WTFDYW: Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.

No, YOU!


Not even with Palin's dick
 
2017-04-21 06:44:29 AM  
LowbrowDeluxe: Time to lay it on.  Up the ante.  Make a power play.  Close the deal.  Light up the rocks.  Rock the Casbah.

FTFY
 
2017-04-21 06:46:56 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.


I think it's more they don't want a western allied nation literally on the border.  The coal might as well just be an excuse to keeping sending DPRK enough food that they don't all starve to death under Fatty Dingdong.
 
2017-04-21 06:49:30 AM  
Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.
 
2017-04-21 06:55:23 AM  
 
2017-04-21 06:55:25 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.


None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.
 
2017-04-21 06:56:19 AM  

SomeAmerican: In the meantime:

Pentagon Experiences Communications Breakdown


Communication Breakdown?

That drives me insane!
 
2017-04-21 06:56:34 AM  
Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.
 
2017-04-21 07:04:52 AM  

RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.


The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.
 
2017-04-21 07:09:02 AM  

RJReves: [YouTube video]


Bit of an over-reaction there, pal.  I mean--

-- hold on, someone's at the door.

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2017-04-21 07:09:43 AM  

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


Whoa whoa whoa.

Nuke Utah first.
 
2017-04-21 07:10:05 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.


China stopped taking their coal a while ago.
 
2017-04-21 07:14:57 AM  
Checkov's gun was a metaphor, people. The world is not a play. Having a gun on the wall in act I does not mean you have to shoot someone in act II
 
2017-04-21 07:16:00 AM  

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


You want to end the world because we elected Trump?
 
2017-04-21 07:26:19 AM  
I'm thinking this isn't aimed at us. They aren't ready to take us on. They don't have the force projection yet.

This is aimed at the idiot who is within their range, who they admitted that they lost control over and who continues to provoke the US with Trump in office.

Better for them to take out NK's infrastructure that is threatening Japan and giving them good reason to rearm. Better to show the world that they can police their own sphere of influence and show on the world stage that they have the will to do so.

They don't need to get rid of Kim, they just need to get rid of his nuclear program and launch facilities.

If we were ten, even five years down the path I would agree that it is alarming. They are building up their navy for a reason. But they aren't able to wage an intercontinental war unless it is purely a nuclear strike. And China isn't going to do that preemptively. They know we have second strike capability. And they wouldn't need to mobilize bombers for that.
 
2017-04-21 07:26:52 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Pointy Tail of Satan: What is really stupid is that a unified free Korea would be an economic boon for China. But they want their cheap coal.

China stopped taking their coal a while ago.



They actually suspended ALL coal shipments for the entire year of 2017.  Rejected a $11m shipment in February.
 
2017-04-21 07:27:56 AM  
I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.
 
2017-04-21 07:29:49 AM  

TheYeti: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.

You want to end the world because we elected Trump?


It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.
 
2017-04-21 07:34:02 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.


I fail to see how last years election has anything to do with democracy.
 
2017-04-21 07:34:03 AM  

chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.


Two things.  West coast is assurably going to be f'd first since it is closest.

Second, China hopefully is getting beyond their protectionism of North Korea.  Dear Kim is openly defying China and disrespect is one thing China doesn't take too kindly too.
 
2017-04-21 07:39:35 AM  

winedrinkingman: I think everyone is misreading this.  I think Donald Trump "sold" the Chinese North Korea.  What does it matter if North Korea is ran by a tyrannical government out of Beijing or from Pyongyang?  Other than Beijing would be more stable.  We bomb North Koreas military and political structure, and then the Chinese swoop in as a "peacekeeping" force to stabilize the region.  South Korea wins because even though they don't like the Chinese, the DMZ is no longer a powder keg.  China wins, because they essentially have more direct control of North Korea's cheap labor and natural resources.  The North Korean people win, because they no longer have to live in a sham qausi religion built around the Kim family, and actually have food on their tables.  America wins, because we can now pull out of the region.  China wins again, because America has pulled out of the region.  With America gone, China may even negotiate unifying the north to the south again, because then they don't have to occupy Korea, and the ROK gets stuck with the cost of rebuilding, but part of the deal is that China gets cheap natural resources and labor.

My whole basis for this is how the Chinese Media has been treating Trump since his meeting with the Chinese leadership.  No one else would make this kind of deal, because you are basically accepting the return of colonialism, but I could see Trump going for it.


I hope this is the case.  I will take a bloated bureaucracy over a dictatorship any day when it comes to nuclear control.  All Kim has to do is decide to push the button.  In China's case, it would at least take months for a decision to be made.
 
2017-04-21 07:39:41 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: RJReves: That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.

None of the previous trigger men were egotistical little attention monkeys. Now there are 2, shaking their peckers at each other.

The priority for Trump is wealth.

A nuclear war would ruin that.  If it were profitable, it would have been used long ago.

Again, the ones who keep being scared about that happening are little babies crapping pants.  It's stupid.


I disagree. For Trump, the priority is attention, imho. Wealth is a way, but not an end. Otherwise, how do you explain The Apprentice, or his involvement in the WWE?
 
2017-04-21 07:40:54 AM  
I got this info last night from renowned foreign policy guru  Veronica Avluv's twitter feed
 
2017-04-21 07:42:02 AM  

trickymoo: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.

Whoa whoa whoa.

Nuke Utah first.


NO! Hit where I am first. A strategic strike on the doggie treat industry is called for, demoralized.
 
2017-04-21 07:42:55 AM  

TheYeti: chewd: Yknow what China... go ahead & blow us up. Any country that is retarded enough to elect Forrest Trump deserves to get blown the hell up.

Bring it on, i recommend you start with the east coast & work your way west.

You want to end the world because we elected Trump?


Are you kidding, for a lot of them, it's why they voted for them.  Burn it all down, writ large.
 
2017-04-21 07:43:11 AM  
Maybe they are on high alert.  But then maybe they are on high alert just like the Chinese sent 150,000 troops to the North Korean border but they really didn't and just like the USS Carl Vinson was steaming to Korea but really wasn't.
 
2017-04-21 07:43:24 AM  

chewd: That Guy...From That Show!: It seems that the whole idea regarding democracy is out of style since the election.

I fail to see how last years election has anything to do with democracy.


Exactly, you're proving this point.
 
2017-04-21 07:50:15 AM  

FatherChaos: And China appeared to reciprocate Wednesday, with Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang saying Beijing was "gravely concerned" about North Korea's recent nuclear and missile activities while simultaneously praising Washington's approach to the issue.

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An Animality should calm their asses down.


Save us, Trogdor.
 
2017-04-21 07:55:54 AM  
China is still behind us, their bombers don't have blackjack, or hookers.
 
2017-04-21 08:04:47 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: Calm down.  The same people who have enough nuclear triggers to do significant damage to us all are the same people who have everything to lose if they use them.

Cripes, if we had a dollar every time someone on fark shait their diapers thinking we're about to experience nuclear holocaust we'd all be rich.

A bunch of scared little babies.


I am less scared of an intentional attack than an accident that is misinterpreted.

We have an empty state department headed by a guy who seems to not speak to Trump (they've contradicted each other more than once now).

We might rely on the theory of MAD or that sheer greed would prevent full-scale horror and destruction but one lowly technician or overzealous staffer, some misque and nobody around to pick up the phone and be diplomatic about it?

Yeah, I worry.
 
2017-04-21 08:14:37 AM  
Trump seems determined to have the world in flames with his incompetence.
 
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