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(USA Today)   Latest attorney tactic when defending client accused of rape: Women are good liars   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 01:44:55 AM  
Lawyer is simply going on his "Honestly, you're the biggest I've ever had" experience.
 
2017-04-21 03:11:03 AM  
Has he been hired by Fox News yet?
 
2017-04-21 03:15:43 AM  
Google search for: "women are good liars" - First link leads to the Daily Mail.

I think that means no woman has ever lied in human history.
 
2017-04-21 03:24:18 AM  
Clubb said this is an example of attitudes that she's trying to change: "What we wear, where we are, whether we are drunk, is not the reason for rape. Rape happens because men rape ... And it's wrong. It's a crime."

So she's upset by the lawyer saying "women lie" but then throws out "men rape."
 
2017-04-21 05:29:20 AM  
Lawyers are better liars, so what?
 
2017-04-21 05:40:13 AM  
FTFA (my bold): Farese made his comments about women lying before a jury of 11 women and three men.

That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for you.
 
2017-04-21 07:02:54 AM  
True, but irrelevant to the case.
 
2017-04-21 07:04:28 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: True, but irrelevant to the case.


Women don't lie
They provide alternative facts
 
2017-04-21 07:07:43 AM  
And by latest subby means age-old.
 
2017-04-21 07:08:04 AM  
He's right you know.jpg
 
2017-04-21 07:08:09 AM  
Click the comments
/I dare you
 
2017-04-21 07:11:23 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Click the comments
/I dare you


I wouldn't click on them with your cursor.
 
2017-04-21 07:11:58 AM  
I lie to women all the time.
/9" long and can go for a hour
 
2017-04-21 07:14:42 AM  
The truth is always the biggest troll.
 
2017-04-21 07:15:15 AM  
Wellllllllll.....womens IS tricksy.....

/ this is not a serious statement
 
2017-04-21 07:19:07 AM  
He ain't wrong.
 
2017-04-21 07:23:26 AM  
That is NOT the latest tactic. It is the basis of every competent rape defense (whether it is true or not).

He said...she said.....

Real story is usually in the middle.
 
2017-04-21 07:25:04 AM  

Bucky Katt: Has he been hired by Fox News yet?


Fox was outbid by MSNBC and HuffPo.

Get your fake news from pros, bro.
 
2017-04-21 07:25:16 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Farese made his comments about women lying before a jury of 11 women and three men.
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

Not necessarily.  I know juries are about the furthest thing from randomly selected, but supposing this one was (for lack of better information), as many as five of those women could completely buy into this defense and far from being bizarre, it'd be expected.  Heck, 42% of women voted for a JFP who publicly bragged about sexually assaulting women.
ichef.bbci.co.uk
That's nationwide.  This trial is in Tennessee.  Those ain't Women's Studies majors from UC-Berkeley packed in the box.

This isn't to disparage the accuser or back up the "women are liars" statement, but just to point out that women are NOT the unified supportive monolithic group they're portrayed as, so neither side is playing a particularly dumb numbers game.  Packing the jury with women is far from a sure bet for the prosecution, to the point that the defense was probably unfazed by it.  The defense has good reasons to be unconcerned with saying "women are liars" to a group of them.
 
2017-04-21 07:26:35 AM  
40 Helens agree
 
2017-04-21 07:27:38 AM  
If I'm the defendant, I'm feigning a heart attack right there in the court room to halt the proceedings until such time I can replace his stupid a$$.
 
2017-04-21 07:27:51 AM  
Were I on the jury, the moment he said that, I would have voted GUILTY, regardless of my previous thoughts.  His argument is a last-straw, hail-Mary, I-Got-Nothin' defense.
 
2017-04-21 07:28:09 AM  

Tanqueray: So she's upset by the lawyer saying "women lie" but then throws out "men rape."


Women and men lie. Only men rape (in many jurisdictions).
 
2017-04-21 07:28:40 AM  

davidphogan: Google search for: "women are good liars" - First link leads to the Daily Mail.

I think that means no woman has ever lied in human history.


It may mean there are no women.
 
2017-04-21 07:28:41 AM  
"I love what you've done with your hair!"
"Thanks! I love your dress!"
"This old thing?! I bought it when they were running a discount!"
 
2017-04-21 07:30:16 AM  

dragonchild: Farking Clown Shoes: Farese made his comments about women lying before a jury of 11 women and three men.
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
Not necessarily.  I know juries are about the furthest thing from randomly selected, but supposing this one was (for lack of better information), as many as five of those women could completely buy into this defense and far from being bizarre, it'd be expected.  Heck, 42% of women voted for a JFP who publicly bragged about sexually assaulting women.
[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 624x258]
That's nationwide.  This trial is in Tennessee.  Those ain't Women's Studies majors from UC-Berkeley packed in the box.

This isn't to disparage the accuser or back up the "women are liars" statement, but just to point out that women are NOT the unified supportive monolithic group they're portrayed as, so neither side is playing a particularly dumb numbers game.  Packing the jury with women is far from a sure bet for the prosecution, to the point that the defense was probably unfazed by it.  The defense has good reasons to be unconcerned with saying "women are liars" to a group of them.


Women seldom lie about rape.
 
2017-04-21 07:32:50 AM  

Another Government Employee: That is NOT the latest tactic. It is the basis of every competent rape defense (whether it is true or not).

He said...she said.....

Real story is usually in the middle.


I might disagree.
Most cases seem to be innocent men who are facing charges because the women had morning after regret, embarrassment or spite.
Or on the flip side, innocent women who were actually viciously and maliciously taped.
I doubt most cases are somewhere in between.

:just intuition. Not statistics.
 
2017-04-21 07:36:10 AM  
She was choked until she was unconscious, raped and woke up in the hospital. The assholes claiming "he's right you know" in this thread are as despicable as the lawyer and can bite me.
 
2017-04-21 07:37:02 AM  
FTFA: "Smart people will see it for what it is."

That is a very carefully worded statement. (A) he's well aware that he's being an asshole; (B) he's mounting a vigorous defence; (C) he believes his client is guilty as sin; and (D) he suspects that the jury is not particularly bright and will fail to "see it for what it is".
 
2017-04-21 07:44:40 AM  
I think men and women lie at about the same rate.  I also think that men and women are raised to look at things differently, and the end result is men and women seeing the same thing, and interpreting it very differently. The end result is when they present each other with the alternative view, women leave thinking the men are idiots and men thinking the women must have made stuff up.

To some degree this is getting better, as men are learning that women are not motivated by pleasing men 24/7 and women figure out that men actually have complex emotions, but it takes time to clear away tens of thousands of years of societal misconceptions.
 
2017-04-21 07:45:30 AM  

dragonchild: Farking Clown Shoes: Farese made his comments about women lying before a jury of 11 women and three men.
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
Not necessarily.  I know juries are about the furthest thing from randomly selected, but supposing this one was (for lack of better information), as many as five of those women could completely buy into this defense and far from being bizarre, it'd be expected.  Heck, 42% of women voted for a JFP who publicly bragged about sexually assaulting women.
[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 624x258]
That's nationwide.  This trial is in Tennessee.  Those ain't Women's Studies majors from UC-Berkeley packed in the box.

This isn't to disparage the accuser or back up the "women are liars" statement, but just to point out that women are NOT the unified supportive monolithic group they're portrayed as, so neither side is playing a particularly dumb numbers game.  Packing the jury with women is far from a sure bet for the prosecution, to the point that the defense was probably unfazed by it.  The defense has good reasons to be unconcerned with saying "women are liars" to a group of them.


What another lawyer said about a rape victim to get a reduced sentence for the client:
"children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant's, are even more prone to such behavior"

I'll give you a hint, that lawyer was not Donald Trump.
 
2017-04-21 07:46:44 AM  

Johnny Rockets: He ain't wrong.


It's not like women have never made provably false rape accusations before......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

It seems to me that if you are making an allegation of criminal behavior about another person, your credibility is fair game.  It's only fair.
 
2017-04-21 07:47:48 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I lie to women all the time.
/9" long and can go for a hour


Ah, that's an easily exposed lie.
 
2017-04-21 07:54:42 AM  

RJReves: drjekel_mrhyde: I lie to women all the time.
/9" long and can go for a hour

Ah, that's an easily exposed lie.


Remember, you measure from the anus to the tip. It's the only accurate way.
 
2017-04-21 07:57:31 AM  

Johnny Rockets: He ain't wrong.


But that's not relevant.

If women were not superb prevaricators, our species would be extinct.
 
2017-04-21 07:58:54 AM  

NevynFox: RJReves: drjekel_mrhyde: I lie to women all the time.
/9" long and can go for a hour

Ah, that's an easily exposed lie.

Remember, you measure from the anus to the tip. It's the only accurate way.


Let me guess.

You carry seat cushions everywhere.
 
2017-04-21 08:00:03 AM  

dittybopper: Johnny Rockets: He ain't wrong.

It's not like women have never made provably false rape accusations before......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

It seems to me that if you are making an allegation of criminal behavior about another person, your credibility is fair game.  It's only fair.


Yeah, you're right ditty.  Better to err on the side of caution and continue to push the belief that all women will lie about being raped for money or glory.  At least in your mind, that is.

Or in the minds of many others (since in many cases involving rape or gang rape in the US the last few years, the communities in question have almost always defended the boys and ostracized the girls for being 'temptresses').
 
2017-04-21 08:01:43 AM  
Do they not have rules of evidence down thar in Tennessee?
 
2017-04-21 08:06:07 AM  
Well as a proud grad of upstairs Hollywood Law School and Barber College, the thing that surprised me is do you really want to insult members of the jury?  Because this isn't 1965 - there are going to be women on that jury.  I've never ever heard of a courtroom tactic which involves pissing off the jury.

Indeed that is what one person commented on in the article:
"He stood in front of 11 women on a jury and said women are liars? That just doesn't even make the first bit of sense and it's despicable. Doesn't even sound like professional strategy for an attorney."

Maybe the trial attorney is doing the Defendant a favor because if I was the defendant and it doesn't go my way at trial I'd be looking at an appeal based on incompetent trial counsel.
 
2017-04-21 08:11:18 AM  

shastacola: She was choked until she was unconscious, raped and woke up in the hospital. The assholes claiming "he's right you know" in this thread are as despicable as the lawyer and can bite me.


So you would prefer to throw out the Sixth Amendment?

We have an adversarial system of justice for a reason.  This is part of it, unseemly as it may be, and *YES*, there are provable cases where women have lied about being raped.  It is for the jury to decide who is more credible.

But subby's headline implies that women *NEVER* lie about being raped, which is patently and, as I said, *PROVABLY* false.  According to the Wikipedia article on the subject, researchers agree that the rate of actual false accusations (as opposed to those that are merely "unproven") is something between 2 to 10%.  Even on the low end, that means that 1 out of every 50 rape allegations is due to a woman lying about being raped.  On the high end, 1 out of every 10.  I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Certainly, even the low number (1 out of 50 accusations is false) is high enough that the credibility of the person making the accusation is fair game, even without the Sixth Amendment coming into play.
 
2017-04-21 08:11:45 AM  

RJReves: NevynFox: RJReves: drjekel_mrhyde: I lie to women all the time.
/9" long and can go for a hour

Ah, that's an easily exposed lie.

Remember, you measure from the anus to the tip. It's the only accurate way.

Let me guess.

You carry seat cushions everywhere.


No, just my trusty hemorrhoid donut.
 
2017-04-21 08:11:46 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-21 08:14:55 AM  
www.troll.me
 
2017-04-21 08:15:30 AM  

Resident Muslim: Or on the flip side, innocent women who were actually viciously and maliciously taped.

This is a myth propagated by the "victim's promiscuity" defense as well as prosecutors' reluctance to proceed with rape cases where such a defense is likely to work.

Reliable statistics are hard to come by, but yeah, if you just look at legal cases this appears to be reality.  More general surveys indicate promiscuous women are deliberately targeted by rapists precisely because they know their victims' sexual history is likely to be used against them in court.  By far the easiest targets for rape?  Prostitutes, since they're by definition promiscuous and criminals to boot.  Getting raped is practically routine for streetwalkers coontil/unless they get a pimp, which has its own problems including its own package of regularly scheduled rape) and they don't even bother reporting it, because A) they'd never get a conviction, B) they can't afford a lawyer anyway, C) they're breaking the law and D) half the time it's a cop committing the rape.

dittybopper: It seems to me that if you are making an allegation of criminal behavior about another person, your credibility is fair game. It's only fair.

It has jack to do about fairness and everything to do with getting it right.  Setting aside cases of mistaken identity, if the accused isn't a rapist then the accuser has to be a lair (or at least wrong) so of course the defense has to question the accuser's credibility.  If every accusation was taken at face value then every court case would be farcical.
The problem is that rape defense is so caught up in playing the odds that it perpetuates its own counterproductive stereotypes.  When every victim has to be chaste and traumatized to get a conviction, it's normal women who get screwed.
 
2017-04-21 08:16:55 AM  

dragonchild: Farking Clown Shoes: Farese made his comments about women lying before a jury of 11 women and three men.
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
Not necessarily.  I know juries are about the furthest thing from randomly selected, but supposing this one was (for lack of better information), as many as five of those women could completely buy into this defense and far from being bizarre, it'd be expected.  Heck, 42% of women voted for a JFP who publicly bragged about sexually assaulting women.
[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 624x258]
That's nationwide.  This trial is in Tennessee.  Those ain't Women's Studies majors from UC-Berkeley packed in the box.

This isn't to disparage the accuser or back up the "women are liars" statement, but just to point out that women are NOT the unified supportive monolithic group they're portrayed as, so neither side is playing a particularly dumb numbers game.  Packing the jury with women is far from a sure bet for the prosecution, to the point that the defense was probably unfazed by it.  The defense has good reasons to be unconcerned with saying "women are liars" to a group of them.


Also, women seem to be harder on other women.
 
2017-04-21 08:17:42 AM  

dragonchild: The problem is that rape defense prosecution is so caught up in playing the odds

FTFM
 
2017-04-21 08:20:19 AM  
"People can be very good at lying,"

especially lawyers
 
2017-04-21 08:20:32 AM  
Women are from Venus and men are from Mars.  And frankly I've never trusted a Venusian in my life.
 
2017-04-21 08:21:27 AM  

Another Government Employee: That is NOT the latest tactic. It is the basis of every competent rape defense (whether it is true or not).

He said...she said.....

Real story is usually in the middle.


So he half-raped her?
 
2017-04-21 08:23:18 AM  
I bet he gets all the girls.

Defense attorneying. How does that work again?
 
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