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2017-04-21 01:05:24 AM  
Aaaaaaand the first one is gone...with only a minute to spare on the death warrant.

*sigh*

WTG, Arkistan.
 
2017-04-21 01:57:18 AM  
We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.
 
2017-04-21 02:23:26 AM  

wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


And that's exactly why nitrogen-induced hypoxia will never be an execution method in the US.

The point of executions, at least in America, isn't to kill the condemned - it's to PUNISH the condemned. That's why gas chamber executions are done with cyanide gas instead of nitrogen gas, why lethal injection executions routinely "accidentally" under-dose the anesthetic that's supposed to paralyze and render unconscious the prisoner, and why Florida stopped using the electric chair after a fault in the wiring caused a prisoner to die instantly (read:too quickly to feel even the slightest bit of pain).

The fact that there's a non-zero chance that the Supreme Court may one day rule 5-4 that a punishment needs to be cruel AND unusual in order to violate the 8th Amendment means that it's only a matter of time before red states start literally going Medieval on the asses of the coloreds and the poors.
 
2017-04-21 07:30:15 AM  
Just like the movies; the black dude always dies first.
 
2017-04-21 07:31:09 AM  
He was on death row for 24 years. And his lawyers are complaining about the state's "rush to execute" denied him the opportunity to have his DNA tested.

24 years.
 
2017-04-21 07:32:25 AM  
Good.
 
2017-04-21 07:32:50 AM  

wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


I was going to suggest meth or heroine, but yea Nitrogen would be quicker and more effective.
 
2017-04-21 07:33:13 AM  

wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


Honestly, a state that wants to continue using the death penalty should just legally require the use of medication that's been allowed in any state for physician assisted suicide.
 
2017-04-21 07:33:57 AM  
Ah yes, the US motto "Better to execute 100 innocent people, than one criminal to go free"

/not saying that this guy was innocent
//but he could have been seeing that you denied him DNA analysis
 
2017-04-21 07:37:26 AM  

King Something: why lethal injection executions routinely "accidentally" under-dose the anesthetic that's supposed to paralyze and render unconscious the prisoner, and why Florida stopped using the electric chair after a fault in the wiring caused a prisoner to die instantly (read:too quickly to feel even the slightest bit of pain).


The real farking problem isn't that really.  They're not under-dosing - they're using the only drugs available to them because pharma and drug compounding facilities do NOT want to sell drugs to be used for lethal injection.  It's not a good look for them.  And it's not like states haven't executed later proven by DNA evidence innocent, cause they have.

Lethal injection is a 3-part deal in the US.  The sedative, the paralytic/muscle relaxant, and the potassium chloride to eventually stop the heart.  The problem is when States can't buy #1.  The gold standard is/was Sodium thiopental.  Hyper-fast acting barbiturate that will render someone unconscious in seconds, able to last hours and hours.  After that, it was Pentobarbital, another strong sedative.

Arkansas purchased under false pretenses a drug called Vecuronium bromide, which is not so much a sedative as it is a paralytic because it's an extreme muscle relaxer, and it's short acting - minutes to up to an hour.  Basically, unless everything goes flawlessly, there's a good chance the executed will be in paralysis and pain throughout the experience. The most notable is when they're using the sedative midazolam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/arizona-killer-still-al​i​ve-an-hour-after-execution-begins

I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.
 
2017-04-21 07:46:10 AM  
"I pray this lawful execution helps bring closure for the Reese family," Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge said in a statement.

This is setting off too many alarms in my head.
 
2017-04-21 07:47:00 AM  
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2017-04-21 07:48:01 AM  
Arkansas had 8 people lined up to be executed - 4 black and 4 white. 3 of the 4 white guys already have stays (the last wants to die). Let's see how many of the black guys Arkansas will kill before the poison expires.

/If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?
 
2017-04-21 07:54:44 AM  
Hell, a Kurt Cobain shotgun blast would be more humane.
 
2017-04-21 07:55:21 AM  
what did that guy do to be sentenced to be executed
 
2017-04-21 07:59:35 AM  

Munden: I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.


That's an excellent point. It seems odd to me that the people who are most in favor of executions are generally the same people most against the government.

I'm against the death penalty because of the risk of innocents getting executed and the scientific value we can learn from people - studying criminals is how we learned about serial killers and psychopaths. If we just rush to kill, we lose that chance to learn and improve society. Even if we kill after two decades - we still have lost the chance to go back and ask more questions. I mean, science is continuously growing, and you don't always think to ask the right questions the first time around.

/I also believe that whatever punishment you inflict upon the worst of people in society is a punishment you should be willing to undergo yourself for when you're falsely convicted.
//You want the death penalty? Ok, let's start with you.
 
2017-04-21 08:00:40 AM  

lucksi: Ah yes, the US motto "Better to execute 100 innocent people, than one criminal to go free"

/not saying that this guy was innocent
//but he could have been seeing that you denied him DNA analysis


We don't know the details of this case, DNA isn't always applicable.  However we do know that the time limit to execute was about to end, and they waited till three days before to push for new DNA testing; after waiting 24 years.  They weren't trying to prove he was innocent, they were trying to run the clock out.
 
2017-04-21 08:01:24 AM  
All civilized countries support the death penalty. It's a proven deterrent for future criminals.
 
2017-04-21 08:03:03 AM  

wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


So much this right here...
Inert Gas Asphyxiation is quick, absolutely painless and damn near impossible to screw up.
Hell, even a straight-up massive heroin overdose would be easier/more humane than what all these chucklefarks keep trying to do.

I really do not understand what goes through their Ozark befuddled brains...
 
2017-04-21 08:03:43 AM  

haywatchthis: what did that guy do to be sentenced to be executed


Rape and murder.  And from the googles, he was connected to attacks on 5 other women.
 
2017-04-21 08:05:09 AM  
oh, he raped some women and beat one to death with a bat in her home. strangled another to death
 
2017-04-21 08:05:56 AM  

Private_Citizen: Arkansas had 8 people lined up to be executed - 4 black and 4 white. 3 of the 4 white guys already have stays (the last wants to die). Let's see how many of the black guys Arkansas will kill before the poison expires.

/If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?


It's not the poison, but according to the article, there's a time limit on the state to carry out the execution.
 
2017-04-21 08:05:59 AM  

Katolu: Hell, a Kurt Cobain shotgun blast would be more humane.


exactly.  I don't get what's so wrong with it, aside from the mess it would cause.  Another way of doing it could be through rapid blood loss, which would guarantee you unconsciousness before a guaranteed death, with the worst symptom feeling cold.
 
2017-04-21 08:07:46 AM  

wildcardjack: A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry.


A bottle of helium might be a bit more expensive, but is just as effective plus it makes their final words more memorable.
 
2017-04-21 08:09:59 AM  
It's all part of Trumps "Equality". No preferential treatment here. All are equal to be punished according to their alleged crimes. It's not our fault the persons to be executed lined up like that.
 
2017-04-21 08:10:15 AM  
The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.

BTW- Was Debra Reese available for comment?

FTA-"Lee was sentenced to death in 1995 after being convicted of killing 26-year-old Debra Reese by beating her with a tire iron and strangling her inside her Jacksonville home.
DNA from Reese's case also linked Lee to four other cases of women raped and beaten, all in Jacksonville's Sunnyside neighborhood."

http://katv.com/news/local/death-row-inmate-ledell-lee-dies-by-lethal​-​injection
 
2017-04-21 08:12:17 AM  
Private_Citizen:
/If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?

Largely because juries aren't blind, and prosecutors know how to work with this fact.  Round up twelve random Arkansas residents, hell even twelve random Connecticut residents, and you've got a considerable chance that at least one or two of them will be racists.
 
2017-04-21 08:15:34 AM  

nekom: Private_Citizen:
/If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?

Largely because juries aren't blind, and prosecutors know how to work with this fact.  Round up twelve random Arkansas residents, hell even twelve random Connecticut residents, and you've got a considerable chance that at least one or two of them will be racists.


also, the brown people get drunken and incompetent public defenders, as was the case with Ledell Lee.
https://www.aclu.org/news/death-row-prisoner-ledell-lee-seeks-new-evi​d​ence-prove-his-innocence
 
2017-04-21 08:16:51 AM  

Basily Gourt: The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.

BTW- Was Debra Reese available for comment?

FTA-"Lee was sentenced to death in 1995 after being convicted of killing 26-year-old Debra Reese by beating her with a tire iron and strangling her inside her Jacksonville home.
DNA from Reese's case also linked Lee to four other cases of women raped and beaten, all in Jacksonville's Sunnyside neighborhood."

http://katv.com/news/local/death-row-inmate-ledell-lee-dies-by-lethal-​injection


I started, wanting to believe in the guy for a moment, but when I saw his attorney waited till 3 days to ask for new DNA testing that would carry till after the expiration date, my bs meter started pinging.  Then more details followed.  I'm not missing the guy.
 
2017-04-21 08:18:01 AM  

wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


Wow. Just wow. A lack of knowledge of physiology is a terrible thing. A victim may go unconscious almost immediately and this makes us feel better. But his brain doesn't immediately stop working and until it does, it is feeling suffocation - a feeling designed to terrify us.
 
2017-04-21 08:18:16 AM  

nekom: Private_Citizen:
/If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?

Largely because juries aren't blind, and prosecutors know how to work with this fact.  Round up twelve random Arkansas residents, hell even twelve random Connecticut residents, and you've got a considerable chance that at least one or two of them will be racists.


or mabe this guy shouldn't have beat a woman to death
 
2017-04-21 08:18:40 AM  
Serial rapist and murderer?

Well.  Bye then.  You girls can get your panties in a twist about him being forced to leave this plane of existence.
 
2017-04-21 08:22:05 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Just like the movies; the black dude always dies first.


To be fair, he WAS wearing a red shirt.
 
2017-04-21 08:24:34 AM  

JackieRabbit: wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.

Wow. Just wow. A lack of knowledge of physiology is a terrible thing. A victim may go unconscious almost immediately and this makes us feel better. But his brain doesn't immediately stop working and until it does, it is feeling suffocation - a feeling designed to terrify us.


I've seen video of people experiencing hypoxia with absolutely zero terror while conscious, so I'd like to see the information which leads you to believe an unconscious person feels terror from hypoxia.
 
2017-04-21 08:24:49 AM  
 
2017-04-21 08:25:21 AM  

Munden: I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.


This. Not to mention having one's guilt or innocence, not to mention life or death, determined by twelve random people who, just playing the odds, aren't going to exactly be a brain trust.

Here's a mental exercise: Me and my dude have been together for fifteen years. OK, so... Suppose one of us runs to Kroger's for soy milk some afternoon and comes home and finds that the other one's been slaughtered. The cops search our house for evidence and note our massive collection of DVDs and blu-rays, about two-thirds of which are horror films. They also find our porn collection, which has gotten fairly substantial over the years and is mostly, though not exclusively, of the gay variety. The local prosecutor decides, based on a lock of evidence to the contrary, that the survivor must have offed the victim, and he/she puts the surviving one of us on trial for murder.

Let a jury decide guilt or innocence? I suppose, grudgingly, until someone can come up with something better. Let twelve local yahoos too stupid to get out of jury duty decide whether the homo with the horror films and porn gets to live? Not so much.

/Yeah, I know.
//We watch too much Investigation Discovery.
///Still...
 
2017-04-21 08:28:49 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Munden: I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.

This. Not to mention having one's guilt or innocence, not to mention life or death, determined by twelve random people who, just playing the odds, aren't going to exactly be a brain trust.

Here's a mental exercise: Me and my dude have been together for fifteen years. OK, so... Suppose one of us runs to Kroger's for soy milk some afternoon and comes home and finds that the other one's been slaughtered. The cops search our house for evidence and note our massive collection of DVDs and blu-rays, about two-thirds of which are horror films. They also find our porn collection, which has gotten fairly substantial over the years and is mostly, though not exclusively, of the gay variety. The local prosecutor decides, based on a lock lack of evidence to the contrary, that the survivor must have offed the victim, and he/she puts the surviving one of us on trial for murder.

Let a jury decide guilt or innocence? I suppose, grudgingly, until someone can come up with something better. Let twelve local yahoos too stupid to get out of jury duty decide whether the homo with the horror films and porn gets to live? Not so much.

/Yeah, I know.
//We watch too much Investigation Discovery.
///Still...


However many read-throughs you give something..... Sheesh!
 
2017-04-21 08:29:49 AM  

lack of warmth: Basily Gourt: The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.

BTW- Was Debra Reese available for comment?

FTA-"Lee was sentenced to death in 1995 after being convicted of killing 26-year-old Debra Reese by beating her with a tire iron and strangling her inside her Jacksonville home.
DNA from Reese's case also linked Lee to four other cases of women raped and beaten, all in Jacksonville's Sunnyside neighborhood."

http://katv.com/news/local/death-row-inmate-ledell-lee-dies-by-lethal-​injection

I started, wanting to believe in the guy for a moment, but when I saw his attorney waited till 3 days to ask for new DNA testing that would carry till after the expiration date, my bs meter started pinging.  Then more details followed.  I'm not missing the guy.


Not to mention that DNA evidence is how he was linked to the other crimes...
 
2017-04-21 08:29:58 AM  
He raped and beat a woman to death. DNA linked him to four other attacks on women. He was on death row for 24 years. This turd should have been flushed years ago.
 
2017-04-21 08:31:36 AM  

Basily Gourt: The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.


If that's the case, why don't you lobby Congress to change the language of the Eighth Amendment?  It now reads "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

SirEattonHogg: Serial rapist and murderer?

Well.  Bye then.  You girls can get your panties in a twist about him being forced to leave this plane of existence.


What Ledell Lee did was ghastly all right, but I don't think it would have been a gross miscarriage of justice in his case to have sentenced him to life in prison.
 
2017-04-21 08:32:23 AM  
 
2017-04-21 08:35:00 AM  

tirob: Basily Gourt: The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.

If that's the case, why don't you lobby Congress to change the language of the Eighth Amendment?  It now reads "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

SirEattonHogg: Serial rapist and murderer?

Well.  Bye then.  You girls can get your panties in a twist about him being forced to leave this plane of existence.

What Ledell Lee did was ghastly all right, but I don't think it would have been a gross miscarriage of justice in his case to have sentenced him to life in prison.


How else can we satisfy our primal need for blood lust and revenge without executing people? Don't take that away from people. The death penalty is as American as apple pie!
 
2017-04-21 08:38:07 AM  

King Something: wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.

And that's exactly why nitrogen-induced hypoxia will never be an execution method in the US.

The point of executions, at least in America, isn't to kill the condemned - it's to PUNISH the condemned. That's why gas chamber executions are done with cyanide gas instead of nitrogen gas, why lethal injection executions routinely "accidentally" under-dose the anesthetic that's supposed to paralyze and render unconscious the prisoner, and why Florida stopped using the electric chair after a fault in the wiring caused a prisoner to die instantly (read:too quickly to feel even the slightest bit of pain).

The fact that there's a non-zero chance that the Supreme Court may one day rule 5-4 that a punishment needs to be cruel AND unusual in order to violate the 8th Amendment means that it's only a matter of time before red states start literally going Medieval on the asses of the coloreds and the poors.



If they wanted a painless lethal injection, a simple morphine overdose would do the trick.
 
2017-04-21 09:00:34 AM  

doyner: Aaaaaaand the first one is gone...with only a minute to spare on the death warrant.

*sigh*

WTG, Arkistan.


This. While I oppose the death penalty for a variety of reasons, any one of which is sufficient by itself, I do understand that there are those who believe that certain crimes are worthy of it.What I do not and cannot understand is why it is such a priority to those people; why they will spare no effort and trip over themselves to make sure they can do it whenever they have the slightest opportunity.What has to be wrong with a person for them to feel that executions are so urgent that they'd rush one to get it in just under the wire?I'm as disgusted and wary of them as I am of the people they want to execute because I think the same impulse is present in both and just managed differently.
 
2017-04-21 09:06:08 AM  

JackieRabbit: wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.

Wow. Just wow. A lack of knowledge of physiology is a terrible thing. A victim may go unconscious almost immediately and this makes us feel better. But his brain doesn't immediately stop working and until it does, it is feeling suffocation - a feeling designed to terrify us.


Yeah, but with a non posienous gas you can run tests.  You won't feel like you are suffocating though, since your lungs will be taking in the gas.  You shouldn't comment if you don't understand the process.  Ha I forget what site I'm on.
 
2017-04-21 09:06:26 AM  
Seems to me a cotton ball of ether and a plastic shopping bag would work.  You could probably get the shopping bag off the prison fence so the recycling people would get behind it.  Heck, if you caught 'em while they were sleeping, you might be able to save on the cotton ball and ether.

I know.  I know.  You're going to say "Why do all the brown people get WalMart bags and whitey get the Shop 'n Saver?  I could tell you that that's the way it is but you wouldn't believe me.  So every 4th brown excutee will get a S 'n S'er.
 
2017-04-21 09:06:35 AM  

tirob: Basily Gourt: The only concern I have is that he didn't suffer enough.

If that's the case, why don't you lobby Congress to change the language of the Eighth Amendment?  It now reads "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

SirEattonHogg: Serial rapist and murderer?

Well.  Bye then.  You girls can get your panties in a twist about him being forced to leave this plane of existence.

What Ledell Lee did was ghastly all right, but I don't think it would have been a gross miscarriage of justice in his case to have sentenced him to life in prison.


Yes, but he did commit the crime in a state where capital punishment was available as an option and it's the most extreme punishment at hand for the State.  And I generally can't imagine a crime more deserving of state execution. This goes beyond your usual homicide case.

Now if there is a miscarriage of justice in terms of defense counsel afforded him or atleast some question of doubt on this guy's culpability. But there isn't as far as I've read this matter.

Frankly, I'm not a big capital punishment crime person, questionable deterrent, very expensive process and too much room for error.  I think locking up someone for life is punishment enough, but if your state has it and you got this guy - well there you have it.
 
2017-04-21 09:08:03 AM  
Arakansas was getting a little worried the ISIS beheadings were going down in the history books under the heading nostalgic obscenity, taking away old timer local story-tellers' jobs.

Hell, they even took the orange prison jumpsuits.
 
2017-04-21 09:13:23 AM  

elkboy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Just like the movies; the black dude always dies first.

To be fair, he WAS wearing a red shirt.


Dude never stood a chance.
 
2017-04-21 09:26:39 AM  

Munden: I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes AND having a completely incorruptible jury pool, police, prosecutors, and judges, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.


FIFY
 
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