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(Gothamist)   All those sweeping generalizations you had about millennials are most likely true   ( gothamist.com) divider line
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2017-04-21 03:19:52 AM  
Millennial biatches haves ace coonts
 
2017-04-21 03:21:56 AM  

trappedspirit: There's always going to be people who feel they are entitled to more than the world is providing them.  At least as long as there are people not teaching them to manage their expectations.


The people complaining that they're not getting enough is the reason I can play every hit song ever on something the size of a 60-minute audio cassette tape.
 
2017-04-21 03:35:08 AM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]


pretty soon, that will be a pic of a steering wheel
 
2017-04-21 03:42:19 AM  

NobleHam: So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value


I don't get it, this "believe old people when ..."  At 15, 16, 17 you're looking at the world knowing that this high school thing will be over soon and thinking about what you'll be doing but no way should you be listening to advice from teachers or parents. You think for yourself. You're about to take charge of your own life. Your first and foremost goal is to find some way to go out and live on your own. Get some room mates and share some cheap dive while scrambling to make some money. Because as an adolescent you're supposed to want to get the hell away from your parents. Stand on your own. Internally driven. You make some mistakes and hopefully they don't kill you and you learn. But you don't blame the world, it just is. You figure out what you need to do to get by. The world ain't your Mommy, it won't wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos or make you some creamy mac&cheese, you gotta go buy some at the dollar store and make it for yourself. And then you need to find room mates that wash their own dishes after they make their Mac&cheese and pay their share of the rent. And you work two jobs so the little time you have on your own you can listen to The Young Man Blues like every other generation has. But at least you're not living at Mom's.
 
2017-04-21 03:43:44 AM  

moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.


Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.
 
2017-04-21 03:45:28 AM  

ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]


Anti-millennial devices have instructions written in cursive.
 
2017-04-21 03:48:06 AM  

dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.


you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.
 
2017-04-21 03:52:52 AM  

J Noble Daggett: NobleHam: So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value

I don't get it, this "believe old people when ..."  At 15, 16, 17 you're looking at the world knowing that this high school thing will be over soon and thinking about what you'll be doing but no way should you be listening to advice from teachers or parents. You think for yourself. You're about to take charge of your own life. Your first and foremost goal is to find some way to go out and live on your own. Get some room mates and share some cheap dive while scrambling to make some money. Because as an adolescent you're supposed to want to get the hell away from your parents. Stand on your own. Internally driven. You make some mistakes and hopefully they don't kill you and you learn. But you don't blame the world, it just is. You figure out what you need to do to get by. The world ain't your Mommy, it won't wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos or make you some creamy mac&cheese, you gotta go buy some at the dollar store and make it for yourself. And then you need to find room mates that wash their own dishes after they make their Mac&cheese and pay their share of the rent. And you work two jobs so the little time you have on your own you can listen to The Young Man Blues like every other generation has. But at least you're not living at Mom's.


But why do all that when you can go on living like a child with a literal Mommy to wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos, and make you some creamy mac&cheese?  Staying at home certainly makes paying the bills easier, and if it doesn't get in the way of "fulfilling yourself as a creative individual" or whatever it is that these people tell themselves they're doing with their time, for example because mom demands that you get a job and start paying a bit of rent, then why move out?  Other than how depressing an existence like that sounds, I guess...
 
2017-04-21 04:00:26 AM  

moothemagiccow: dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.

you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.


When have I classified people?  And what do you expect to win, a gold star for participation?  In case scrolling up cramps your style, you know, having to do something for yourself, I'll fill you in.  I started out by asking what parents are thinking by allowing their kids to return from college and just live at home with no job and no ongoing education.  You came along and made some inane post that I interpreted as a sarcastic attempt to claim that ipads and internets fundamentally change human nature.  I replied to this inane post stating that no, in fact it's a minor change in context and nothing more.  And now you're saying... what exactly?
 
2017-04-21 04:04:46 AM  

dill doze: But why do all that when you can go on living like a child with a literal Mommy to wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos, and make you some creamy mac&cheese? Staying at home certainly makes paying the bills easier, and if it doesn't get in the way of "fulfilling yourself as a creative individual" or whatever it is that these people tell themselves they're doing with their time, for example because mom demands that you get a job and start paying a bit of rent, then why move out? Other than how depressing an existence like that sounds, I guess...


Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.
 
2017-04-21 04:07:12 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.


When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.
 
2017-04-21 04:17:59 AM  

dill doze: moothemagiccow: dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.

you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.

When have I classified people?  And what do you expect to win, a gold star for participation?  In case scrolling up cramps your style, you know, having to do something for yourself, I'll fill you in.  I started out by asking what parents are thinking by allowing their kids to return from college and just live at home with no job and no ongoing education.  You came along and made some inane post that I interpreted as a sarcastic attempt to claim that ipads and internets fundamentally change human nature.  I replied to this inane post stating that no, in fact it's a minor change in context and nothing more.  And now you're saying... what exactly?


this is gonna blow your farking mind, but i didn't read your post. i wasnt replying to you.
and the world doesn't revolve around you

//and calm the fark down and go to bed
 
2017-04-21 04:20:14 AM  

Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.


the new thing is just to mention fields a lot

//where the fark else does lettuce grow
 
2017-04-21 04:34:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.


No, it was part-time jobs during high school, full time jobs in the summer, full time job during junior college and part-time jobs during the last two years at University. And my daughter and some did mostly the same except for the junior college part because I paid just enough so they got by without loans and only had to work for pocket money. It was hard for me to find the jobs and it was hard for my kids to find their jobs because their ain't any red carpets waiting for anybody and never were. Five decades ago I was watching the end of the aerospace boom, 50% of aerospace workers being laid off, engineers scrambling to find jobs and winding up selling washing machines at Sears or taking jobs as truck drivers if they could find work. 5 decades ago it was clear that it didn't matter who you were or what you did, you had better be ready to learn a new dance when the music changed. There would be booms and busts and people lying to you all the way. Things are harder now, authentically harder. But it's still about doing things for yourself because the roads are never paved with gold and never have been.
 
2017-04-21 04:49:02 AM  

dill doze: CowardlyLion: BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.

...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?

A better analogy would be to ask whether you'd brag about listening to vinyl rather than spotify with decent headphones rather than crappy earbuds, or about hand-writing thank you notes and birthday cards rather than texting "ty lol" or "happy bursday".  If you were me the answer would be yes, I'd brag about those things too.  Newer technology is not necessarily better, and every fully automatic transmission that I've ever encountered has been demonstrably worse than even the clunkiest yet remotely modern (as in no double-clutching) manual.  In these cases the newer option is more convenient for people who just don't give enough of a shiat to care about the different quality of experience.  Fair enough.  I'm not saying people who prefer automatic transmissions are bad.  I'm saying that automatic transmissions are bad.


If you're listening to record players instead of a lossless digital format (something like FLAC or Apple Lossless) and handing out crappy-looking handwritten anything instead of sending something in a digital format that I can read without looking at your crappy chicken scratch writing and wasting paper to do it, then you're not bragging about anything worth bragging about.  I'm sorry, your 19th century technology record player is crap, with its scratchy, popping awfulness and "warm" (distorted) sound.  Your paper card is headed for the recycle bin with the rest of the junk mail.  And your manual transmission is crap too.

A computer can shift gears better than you can.  It's faster at it, it's smoother at it, and it's far less annoying at it than you are.  A dual-clutch automatic is demonstrably better than any manual transmission, you can even pick the gear yourself if you want (within reason, no shifting into reverse from 8th, that would be transmission destroying idiocy and the computer won't let you do it) with the paddles.  The CVT is better still, no noticeable clunking gears at all, just smooth efficiency at any RPM.  The automatic transmission isn't crap, the fluid torque converter is crap.  And the manual transmission has had its day, and that day is over, it's crap compared to anything modern.
 
2017-04-21 05:00:46 AM  
I'm gonna let you all in on a little secret here....

Having three generations under one roof is NORMAL.
Working as long as you're healthy and then spending all your time looking after the grandkids is NORMAL.
Only the elite being able to afford higher education is NORMAL.

There was a short abnormal period, starting in 1946 and ending around 2001, where things were special.  Where virtually anybody could go to college if they were smart enough, where kids moved out of their parents' house before they had kids of their own, where a majority of people actually retired, and didn't starve when they did so.  But that's damn rare, and I doubt it'll happen again any time soon.  We're going back to the days when the middle class was tiny, where the wealthy could run over a poor person and pay a fine, where old people burned newspapers so they wouldn't freeze to death, and so forth.  Maybe if the boomers had actually given a shiat about the people coming after them it could have continued apace.

But we'll never know.
 
2017-04-21 05:06:17 AM  
I work with a lot of different people from 19 to over 65 and to be honest, the age of the person has very little to do with anything.  Either you get it or you don't and either you work hard or you don't.  Sometimes the younger crowd says some dumb stuff but then again I was pretty stupid when I was 19.
 
2017-04-21 05:06:21 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.

No, it was part-time jobs during high school, full time jobs in the summer, full time job during junior college and part-time jobs during the last two years at University. And my daughter and some did mostly the same except for the junior college part because I paid just enough so they got by without loans and only had to work for pocket money. It was hard for me to find the jobs and it was hard for my kids to find their jobs because their ain't any red carpets waiting for anybody and never were. Five decades ago I was watching the end of the aerospace boom, 50% of aerospace workers being laid off, engineers scrambling to find jobs and winding up selling washing machines at Sears or taking jobs as truck drivers if they could find work. 5 decades ago it was clear that it didn't matter who you were or what you did, you had better be ready to learn a new dance when the music changed. There would be booms and busts and people lying to you all the way. Things are harder now, authentically harder. But it's still about doing things for yourself because the roads are never paved with gold and never have been.


My father could pay his tuition with the income from a minimum wage part time summer job.

Mine could be paid with a part time year round job.

And a kid starting the same state school today couldn't pay tuition with a full time minimum wage job.  The kid couldn't even do it with two full time minimum wage jobs and no time for class or sleep.

Sears is about to go bankrupt.

Truck driver won't be a job for much longer.

And we have a government that's telling people coal mining is going to be a thing again.  It's not, that's stupid, but that's actually what they're telling people.

The roads may never have been paved with gold, but they used to be paved with concrete, that got paved over with crappy asphalt, and now they're full of potholes deep enough to break an axle.
 
2017-04-21 05:15:58 AM  
That didn't seem to prove the generalisations, merely show that in today's work and housing markets the young are utterly screwed.

But who cares, the first few lines said the sweeping generalisations of a ridiculously broad group (how many decades worth of people does "millenial" cover by now, three?) are true, so let's fark them even harder. The cops can just shoot them if they finally snap.
 
2017-04-21 05:18:25 AM  

DarkVader: ...Truck driver won't be a job for much longer...


Taxi driver, maybe. Truck driver, no. Everything from hijacking to unloading and so on? No, even if the human doesn't drive the vehicle any more than a commercial airline pilot flies their plane, there's still gonna need to be someone there on board for quite a few decades yet.
 
2017-04-21 05:36:23 AM  
Actually, it's when parents stopped being parents, and became best friends with their children. It may also be the age difference between parents and children. The age of first time mothers is actually rising.
 
2017-04-21 06:02:57 AM  
"The average income for a working young women also increased, from $23,000 to $29,000 in 2015 dollars."

Does anyone proofread anymore?
 
2017-04-21 06:03:45 AM  
Young people always seem stupid.  I was stupid but now I am incredibly smart.
 
2017-04-21 06:09:00 AM  
I don't know, most of the older millenials that I have contact with seem to be getting pretty doing pretty well.

Of course, my sample is biased because they all moved here (DC) for jobs, so of course they have jobs and don't live with their parents.
 
2017-04-21 06:09:02 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


Great pic.  Maybe MILLENIALS shouldn't be getting $150K Liberal Arts degrees?  You can make an excellent living with ZERO college if you aren't an idiot.
 
2017-04-21 06:10:36 AM  

TheYeti: I don't know, most of the older millenials that I have contact with seem to be getting pretty doing pretty well.

Of course, my sample is biased because they all moved here (DC) for jobs, so of course they have jobs and don't live with their parents.


Holy shiat, I need coffee.  Seems that I started writing two sentences, so I'll go with "seem to be doing pretty well."
 
2017-04-21 06:31:10 AM  

wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.


It's because your eyes are up there. Way up there
 
2017-04-21 07:01:02 AM  

Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.


Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?
 
2017-04-21 07:06:23 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.

As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Did your part of the country not teach reading or burn books and newspapers? As someone who is 30 and was in the working world before the original iPhone, we were all buried in the newspaper or watching the company provided T.V. conveniently set on Fox News.
 
2017-04-21 07:12:07 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.

As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Or you could've just done what I do, find the most random thing you can think of (14th century battles, facts about giraffes, your desire to use a ball gag, or random words that sound made up) and say it.  It makes people realize they aren't willing to force their social conventions on me.  Silence is a beautiful thing.
 
2017-04-21 07:26:07 AM  

Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.


I see them as the first generation in the history of mankind that literally fears human interactions, and lacks the basic concept of hunting & gathering  (we now hunt for dollars and gather food).  Not all of them of course.

There are a few of them who are managing to evolve normally and they are easily spotted as they are wildly successful due to the simple lack of competition from their peers.  I know several people with just high school diplomas making six and seven figure incomes just because they still have their basic human drivers.

Employers are desperate for young people willing to get up each day and go to work, try their best each day, and not cry about it.  When they find those people they are well rewarded.  The situation reminds me of where Greece was starting to head thirty-five or so years ago.
 
2017-04-21 07:33:10 AM  

wejash: Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?


If they were, every sensible student would declare bankruptcy the day they graduate, dump the loans and move on. By the time they needed a credit rating again the bankruptcy would be history.
 
2017-04-21 07:36:18 AM  

CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that


Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?
 
2017-04-21 07:49:18 AM  

orbister: CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that

Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?


There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.
 
2017-04-21 07:50:55 AM  

FormlessOne: As an aging Gen-Xer, I don't care. I'm supporting Boomers. I'm supporting Millennials. I'm supporting Gen-Zers. I'm supporting everyone but my generation, it seems, because it's the others claiming that they're not getting enough. We're the ones currently in our 40s, approaching our 50s, realizing that it's our houses from which the Millennials are failing to launch, our equity on which the Boomers are living, and our jobs that are on the line should Millennials and Gen-Zers decide ageism isn't so bad. No one seems to give a shiat about Gen-Xers - we're the "Lost Generation" in this particular struggle, apparently, this culture war being conducted between our parents and our kids.


Bears repeating.

I'm not really complaining though. I'd rather work my ass off into oblivion (same as it ever was) than to be a scared old white Trumpeter or living in my parents' basement.

And I DO work with millenials who are amazingly talented, prodigies even. A real joy to push up the sleeves and get shiat done with them. That being said, most of these guys and gals admit to having friends who still live with the parents playing lots of video games in their spare time. Those folks would be getting their first grays by now, right?

I don't think there's a lack of millenial talent so much as the divide between the capable/incapable might getting wider over time. The entitled ones really stink it up for the rest of the generation.
 
2017-04-21 07:51:23 AM  

orbister: wejash: Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

If they were, every sensible student would declare bankruptcy the day they graduate, dump the loans and move on. By the time they needed a credit rating again the bankruptcy would be history.


Actually, I've written one congressman about student loans and received a 'thank you for your concern' letter and visited a senator's office in person to discuss the issue and the aid I met with was completely disinterested with what I had to say.  I wasn't talking about bankruptcy for student loans - I was talking about how the problem of huge public college costs vs. ways for people to pay for it without ending up with large amounts of debt.  So yeah people do talk to Congress.  The same Congress that just sold your private browsing history to other companies because they always do the right thing for their constituents, of course.
 
2017-04-21 07:53:03 AM  
How many of those "lazy" millennials that "still live in their parents home" are there because they are taking care of their aging or disabled parents?

I only know one millennial that lives with their parent, and that's my sister who lives with my disabled mom because we can't afford a live in nurse. And you know what? That situation was very common until recently, generations lived together.
 
2017-04-21 08:08:45 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?


I see, you're as angry as you are stupid. Perhaps you could look up how to parse English.
 
2017-04-21 08:35:26 AM  

CowardlyLion: There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.


The last bit might worry you if you ever wondered whether the rest of the world was quite as certain about things as you are. If, on the other hand, you are quite sure that you are right and most of te car buying public around the world is wrong, don't worry.
 
2017-04-21 08:36:59 AM  

BlippityBleep: Actually, I've written one congressman about student loans and received a 'thank you for your concern' letter and visited a senator's office in person to discuss the issue and the aid I met with was completely disinterested with what I had to say. I wasn't talking about bankruptcy for student loans - I was talking about how the problem of huge public college costs vs. ways for people to pay for it without ending up with large amounts of debt. So yeah people do talk to Congress. The same Congress that just sold your private browsing history to other companies because they always do the right thing for their constituents, of course.


I completely agree that loans systems for higher education are a disaster. The answer is to reform them, not to find workarounds with bankruptcy.
 
2017-04-21 08:42:37 AM  

ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]


Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.
 
2017-04-21 08:46:42 AM  
Millennials lost at life..

They grew up on a warming Earth (for whatever reason) which could wipe them all out, graduated high school into terrorist attacks and wars, graduated college into a recession, mounds of debt, an affordable housing crisis and more terrorist attacks and wars, they never will acquire the financial cushion, employment stability, and material possessions of their parents and grandparents, even though they're often more educated, experienced, informed, and digitally fluent than prior generations.

Then they're blamed for the above because they bought an iPhone.
 
2017-04-21 08:53:12 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Read a book/magazine/newspaper.
I have to work with these people, so why the hell would I want to socialize with them on my lunch-break?
 
2017-04-21 08:55:47 AM  
I'm a millennial and I'm thinking about moving back into my mother's house, because she lost her job and is taking care of my grandmother and needs the help and money. I'll have to take a major pay cut to move to that area and it will put my life plans on hold even further but you know hur hur lazy entitles assholes one and all.
 
2017-04-21 08:57:49 AM  

orbister: CowardlyLion: There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.

The last bit might worry you if you ever wondered whether the rest of the world was quite as certain about things as you are. If, on the other hand, you are quite sure that you are right and most of te car buying public around the world is wrong, don't worry.


I'm not saying people or the world are all going to be willing or financially capable of (or that there won't be other barriers to) adopting better technology, but that we can do better than antiquated shiat like shifting gears with a damned pedal and stick.

Also not disparaging any folks who drive or like manual transmission, just the old AF technology, itself.
 
2017-04-21 09:00:41 AM  
Here's an idea, stop paying wages a single person can't live on. Don't want to pay those wages? Then get the fark out of business. Also provide full benefits, paid sick days, paid vacation, insurance etc etc. Don't want to do that? Then shut the fark up about everything. Or do the economic a favor, and get out of business. Seriously.

BTW if you demand a college degree and don't pay enough to rent the average apartment in the area paying no more than 25% of gross? You don't deserve to have a business. Period. You are scum.
 
2017-04-21 09:20:53 AM  

natazha: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.


I'm going to have to think carefully about my next car, because I'd like it to be a manual and those are eventually going away, and so I'll probably keep it forever (even though it will just be a secondary car at some point).

I think that it will be quite fun to teach my kids to drive in it.  And really, they are just for fun...no real point to them once the newest automatics make there way into entire car lineups.  Oh, and there will be electric cars everywhere, too, probabaly self driving, but it's not the same.
 
2017-04-21 09:23:16 AM  

TheYeti: natazha: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.

I'm going to have to think carefully about my next car, because I'd like it to be a manual and those are eventually going away, and so I'll probably keep it forever (even though it will just be a secondary car at some point).

I think that it will be quite fun to teach my kids to drive in it.  And really, they are just for fun...no real point to them once the newest automatics make there way into entire car lineups.  Oh, and there will be electric cars everywhere, too, probabaly self driving, but it's not the same.


Their, damn it.  Giving up on the internet.
 
2017-04-21 09:35:13 AM  

CowardlyLion: BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.

...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?


You seem to think cars are a mode of transport.
 
2017-04-21 09:35:38 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


At first, I was like [notlaughing.jpg], but then I saw the "millenials" label on the guy and got the joke so then I [totallyloled.jpg].
 
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