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(Gothamist)   All those sweeping generalizations you had about millennials are most likely true   ( gothamist.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 08:30:50 PM  
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2017-04-20 08:45:37 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


/thread
 
2017-04-20 11:50:39 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack
 
2017-04-20 11:51:19 PM  

wejash: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack


Their...not they're.  Sigh.
 
2017-04-21 12:06:10 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


David Horsey is great.
 
2017-04-21 12:33:03 AM  
The vast majority of Millennials are hard working members of society. The few who whine about not getting trophies every time they show up to work on time are giving the rest a bad name.

It really is true, one bad apple spoils the whole damn generation.
 
2017-04-21 12:36:16 AM  
I'm way more sick of other generations whining about millennials than millennials themselves whining. Knock it off.
 
2017-04-21 12:46:16 AM  
Anytime I hear people complain about melilenials this is how I picture them:
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2017-04-21 12:48:23 AM  
I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.
 
2017-04-21 12:49:42 AM  
There's always going to be people who feel they are entitled to more than the world is providing them.  At least as long as there are people not teaching them to manage their expectations.
 
2017-04-21 12:51:42 AM  

DOCTORD000M: Anytime I hear people complain about melilenials this is how I picture them:
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Hmmm....  How did I fark that word up so bad?
 
2017-04-21 12:53:16 AM  
I'm more worried about the z generation.

Mostly because i can't understand half the crap that comes out of thier mouths. Don't laugh at me because I grab a fire extinguisher when you yell "YOUR NEW TRUCK IS ON FLEEK!"

translucent skin, hollow sunken eyes..
 
2017-04-21 12:55:31 AM  
After the Millennials will be the children of the Blank Generation. Difficult to see how that will turn out.
Richard Hell and the Voidoids: Blank Generation
Youtube TP3x-VdOb44
 
2017-04-21 12:59:32 AM  
My daughter and her fiance are both millennials, and are each hard working and without an entitled bone in their bodies.

Also, I've worked with quite a few of them, and the experience has been mainly positive.

So basically it's the ones I don't know who I assume are terrible people.
 
2017-04-21 01:00:45 AM  
I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.
 
2017-04-21 01:01:58 AM  
I know anecdotes do not equal data, but of the dozens of millennials I've worked with, only one fit the stereotype. All the rest were pretty much where I was at their age: just starting their careers, moving out on their own and smoking a shiat-ton of weed. Well, maybe they're vaping a shiat-ton of weed these days. That's about the only difference AFAICT.
 
2017-04-21 01:03:06 AM  

Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.


Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.
 
2017-04-21 01:04:56 AM  

wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.


I don't think that's a millennial thing, but I find a quick flip up of your hand right before they hit you gets the phone just right.
 
2017-04-21 01:05:38 AM  
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2017-04-21 01:05:55 AM  

trappedspirit: There's always going to be people who feel they are entitled to more than the world is providing them.  At least as long as there are people not teaching them to manage their expectations.


Those people are tossed aside as pessimistic old fogeys that don't know nothing.
 
2017-04-21 01:10:18 AM  

wejash: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack


Why bother? We can't even get the GOP to investigate if the very foundation of our country was violated by Russia. They're actively trying to kill me and my love ones. There is no way in hell they would ever think about helping me.
 
2017-04-21 01:14:11 AM  

thatboyoverthere: wejash: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack

Why bother? We can't even get the GOP to investigate if the very foundation of our country was violated by Russia. They're actively trying to kill me and my love ones. There is no way in hell they would ever think about helping me.


I knew it!!!  Had a feeling all along Washington, Jefferson, etc... were true commie red coats.
 
2017-04-21 01:15:06 AM  
Whereas all the sweeping generalizations you had about every other generation are totally unfounded *cough cough*.
 
2017-04-21 01:15:50 AM  

wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.


The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism
 
2017-04-21 01:16:28 AM  

Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.


You seem reasonable and understanding... OUT! OUT!!!
 
2017-04-21 01:22:30 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism


I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.
 
2017-04-21 01:30:31 AM  
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2017-04-21 01:33:32 AM  

BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours
.


As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?
 
2017-04-21 01:39:30 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.

As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


No, I didn't mean to suggest that. All I meant is many people say, "X doesn't behave the way we did at that age" and attribute it directly to the people, not the chronology or evironment. That's all.

Instead of "look at those young'uns" realize that the environment is fundamentally different in the same way that no two children are ever born into the same family.

/Don't like 'screen' culture myself
 
2017-04-21 01:39:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The vast majority of Millennials are hard working members of society. The few who whine about not getting trophies every time they show up to work on time are giving the rest a bad name.

It really is true, one bad apple spoils the whole damn generation.


I like to think that at some point, through the school of hard knocks, that those precious snowflakes become average normal people and then the myth will be echo chambered in all the retirement homes against us shifty Minnie's.

/God help us if we get Snowflake for 2036
 
2017-04-21 01:55:39 AM  
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2017-04-21 01:57:07 AM  
As an aging Gen-Xer, I don't care. I'm supporting Boomers. I'm supporting Millennials. I'm supporting Gen-Zers. I'm supporting everyone but my generation, it seems, because it's the others claiming that they're not getting enough. We're the ones currently in our 40s, approaching our 50s, realizing that it's our houses from which the Millennials are failing to launch, our equity on which the Boomers are living, and our jobs that are on the line should Millennials and Gen-Zers decide ageism isn't so bad. No one seems to give a shiat about Gen-Xers - we're the "Lost Generation" in this particular struggle, apparently, this culture war being conducted between our parents and our kids.
 
2017-04-21 01:57:51 AM  
Umm, the only generalizations I make about Millennials is that they're better mannered, but less empathetic.. maybe a bit more fickle and a little less prone to introspection, but those last two might just be up to relative youth.. Not yet middle aged but jaded, am I.
 
2017-04-21 01:58:17 AM  
What the hell are the parents thinking in these cases?  I don't care which arbitrary demographic group you're a member of.  If someone will let you live rent free, pay for your living expenses, let you just screw around all day, and not even demand to sleep with you then you've got to give it some serious consideration.

It sounds like we need a few more Red Formans out there.
 
2017-04-21 02:01:08 AM  
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2017-04-21 02:03:37 AM  
So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value
 
2017-04-21 02:04:29 AM  

dill doze: What the hell are the parents thinking in these cases?


"I don't want my child sleeping on the streets. I want to give them the best shot I can."
 
2017-04-21 02:05:28 AM  

Johnny Stalker Black: I know anecdotes do not equal data, but of the dozens of millennials I've worked with, only one fit the stereotype. All the rest were pretty much where I was at their age: just starting their careers, moving out on their own and smoking a shiat-ton of weed. Well, maybe they're vaping a shiat-ton of weed these days. That's about the only difference AFAICT.


To be fair, the tech back then was a lot more expensive than it is now, upwards of $100 for a very basic one.
 
2017-04-21 02:10:40 AM  
I'll just leave this here;  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvrmltfMrA
 
2017-04-21 02:11:19 AM  

NobleHam: dill doze: What the hell are the parents thinking in these cases?

"I don't want my child sleeping on the streets. I want to give them the best shot I can."


"And I'll do that by letting them sit on their ass all day."
 
2017-04-21 02:11:51 AM  
 
2017-04-21 02:26:06 AM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]


FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
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2017-04-21 02:26:55 AM  
 
2017-04-21 02:38:05 AM  

ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
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How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving
 
2017-04-21 02:39:49 AM  

CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
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How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving


Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.
 
2017-04-21 02:40:48 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: My daughter and her fiance are both millennials, and are each hard working and without an entitled bone in their bodies


Well, she's got ONE entitled bone in her body. If you know what I mean.

Hey, she's an adult, she's engaged. I'm sure you're over it.
 
2017-04-21 02:49:44 AM  

BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
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How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.


...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?
 
2017-04-21 03:03:16 AM  

CowardlyLion: BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.

...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?


A better analogy would be to ask whether you'd brag about listening to vinyl rather than spotify with decent headphones rather than crappy earbuds, or about hand-writing thank you notes and birthday cards rather than texting "ty lol" or "happy bursday".  If you were me the answer would be yes, I'd brag about those things too.  Newer technology is not necessarily better, and every fully automatic transmission that I've ever encountered has been demonstrably worse than even the clunkiest yet remotely modern (as in no double-clutching) manual.  In these cases the newer option is more convenient for people who just don't give enough of a shiat to care about the different quality of experience.  Fair enough.  I'm not saying people who prefer automatic transmissions are bad.  I'm saying that automatic transmissions are bad.
 
2017-04-21 03:13:39 AM  
Saw an interesting argument about this the other day. Went along the lines of, "The millennials are the children of parents who regretted not taking time for themselves when they were younger and instead chased after financial or employment success. Surprising everyone, the millennials were listening to their elders complaints about youth being wasted on the young."

Don't know if it's true or not, but it sure makes a certain amount of sense.
 
2017-04-21 03:17:25 AM  
Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.
 
2017-04-21 03:19:52 AM  
Millennial biatches haves ace coonts
 
2017-04-21 03:21:56 AM  

trappedspirit: There's always going to be people who feel they are entitled to more than the world is providing them.  At least as long as there are people not teaching them to manage their expectations.


The people complaining that they're not getting enough is the reason I can play every hit song ever on something the size of a 60-minute audio cassette tape.
 
2017-04-21 03:35:08 AM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]


pretty soon, that will be a pic of a steering wheel
 
2017-04-21 03:42:19 AM  

NobleHam: So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value


I don't get it, this "believe old people when ..."  At 15, 16, 17 you're looking at the world knowing that this high school thing will be over soon and thinking about what you'll be doing but no way should you be listening to advice from teachers or parents. You think for yourself. You're about to take charge of your own life. Your first and foremost goal is to find some way to go out and live on your own. Get some room mates and share some cheap dive while scrambling to make some money. Because as an adolescent you're supposed to want to get the hell away from your parents. Stand on your own. Internally driven. You make some mistakes and hopefully they don't kill you and you learn. But you don't blame the world, it just is. You figure out what you need to do to get by. The world ain't your Mommy, it won't wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos or make you some creamy mac&cheese, you gotta go buy some at the dollar store and make it for yourself. And then you need to find room mates that wash their own dishes after they make their Mac&cheese and pay their share of the rent. And you work two jobs so the little time you have on your own you can listen to The Young Man Blues like every other generation has. But at least you're not living at Mom's.
 
2017-04-21 03:43:44 AM  

moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.


Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.
 
2017-04-21 03:45:28 AM  

ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
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Anti-millennial devices have instructions written in cursive.
 
2017-04-21 03:48:06 AM  

dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.


you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.
 
2017-04-21 03:52:52 AM  

J Noble Daggett: NobleHam: So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value

I don't get it, this "believe old people when ..."  At 15, 16, 17 you're looking at the world knowing that this high school thing will be over soon and thinking about what you'll be doing but no way should you be listening to advice from teachers or parents. You think for yourself. You're about to take charge of your own life. Your first and foremost goal is to find some way to go out and live on your own. Get some room mates and share some cheap dive while scrambling to make some money. Because as an adolescent you're supposed to want to get the hell away from your parents. Stand on your own. Internally driven. You make some mistakes and hopefully they don't kill you and you learn. But you don't blame the world, it just is. You figure out what you need to do to get by. The world ain't your Mommy, it won't wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos or make you some creamy mac&cheese, you gotta go buy some at the dollar store and make it for yourself. And then you need to find room mates that wash their own dishes after they make their Mac&cheese and pay their share of the rent. And you work two jobs so the little time you have on your own you can listen to The Young Man Blues like every other generation has. But at least you're not living at Mom's.


But why do all that when you can go on living like a child with a literal Mommy to wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos, and make you some creamy mac&cheese?  Staying at home certainly makes paying the bills easier, and if it doesn't get in the way of "fulfilling yourself as a creative individual" or whatever it is that these people tell themselves they're doing with their time, for example because mom demands that you get a job and start paying a bit of rent, then why move out?  Other than how depressing an existence like that sounds, I guess...
 
2017-04-21 04:00:26 AM  

moothemagiccow: dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.

you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.


When have I classified people?  And what do you expect to win, a gold star for participation?  In case scrolling up cramps your style, you know, having to do something for yourself, I'll fill you in.  I started out by asking what parents are thinking by allowing their kids to return from college and just live at home with no job and no ongoing education.  You came along and made some inane post that I interpreted as a sarcastic attempt to claim that ipads and internets fundamentally change human nature.  I replied to this inane post stating that no, in fact it's a minor change in context and nothing more.  And now you're saying... what exactly?
 
2017-04-21 04:04:46 AM  

dill doze: But why do all that when you can go on living like a child with a literal Mommy to wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos, and make you some creamy mac&cheese? Staying at home certainly makes paying the bills easier, and if it doesn't get in the way of "fulfilling yourself as a creative individual" or whatever it is that these people tell themselves they're doing with their time, for example because mom demands that you get a job and start paying a bit of rent, then why move out? Other than how depressing an existence like that sounds, I guess...


Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.
 
2017-04-21 04:07:12 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.


When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.
 
2017-04-21 04:17:59 AM  

dill doze: moothemagiccow: dill doze: moothemagiccow: Yeah someone who lived in a world without dialup for 10-15 years is the same as someone who's never lived in a world without broadband or the ipod.

Yes, actually, they are the same.  Do you really believe that a new method of talking about yourself and showing off to your friends overrides millions of years of evolution?  Sure, before the internet caught on most "social" things happened in person at a place where you and your friends spent a lot of time.  You know, like a school, or Dave's place (he's got the best TV, and a freezer full of pizza rolls).  The basic activities were the same because people now are the same as people were then.  The notes have changed but it's the same tune.

you're just arguing against classifying people now. did i just win? classifying people is for assholes.

When have I classified people?  And what do you expect to win, a gold star for participation?  In case scrolling up cramps your style, you know, having to do something for yourself, I'll fill you in.  I started out by asking what parents are thinking by allowing their kids to return from college and just live at home with no job and no ongoing education.  You came along and made some inane post that I interpreted as a sarcastic attempt to claim that ipads and internets fundamentally change human nature.  I replied to this inane post stating that no, in fact it's a minor change in context and nothing more.  And now you're saying... what exactly?


this is gonna blow your farking mind, but i didn't read your post. i wasnt replying to you.
and the world doesn't revolve around you

//and calm the fark down and go to bed
 
2017-04-21 04:20:14 AM  

Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.


the new thing is just to mention fields a lot

//where the fark else does lettuce grow
 
2017-04-21 04:34:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.


No, it was part-time jobs during high school, full time jobs in the summer, full time job during junior college and part-time jobs during the last two years at University. And my daughter and some did mostly the same except for the junior college part because I paid just enough so they got by without loans and only had to work for pocket money. It was hard for me to find the jobs and it was hard for my kids to find their jobs because their ain't any red carpets waiting for anybody and never were. Five decades ago I was watching the end of the aerospace boom, 50% of aerospace workers being laid off, engineers scrambling to find jobs and winding up selling washing machines at Sears or taking jobs as truck drivers if they could find work. 5 decades ago it was clear that it didn't matter who you were or what you did, you had better be ready to learn a new dance when the music changed. There would be booms and busts and people lying to you all the way. Things are harder now, authentically harder. But it's still about doing things for yourself because the roads are never paved with gold and never have been.
 
2017-04-21 04:49:02 AM  

dill doze: CowardlyLion: BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.

...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?

A better analogy would be to ask whether you'd brag about listening to vinyl rather than spotify with decent headphones rather than crappy earbuds, or about hand-writing thank you notes and birthday cards rather than texting "ty lol" or "happy bursday".  If you were me the answer would be yes, I'd brag about those things too.  Newer technology is not necessarily better, and every fully automatic transmission that I've ever encountered has been demonstrably worse than even the clunkiest yet remotely modern (as in no double-clutching) manual.  In these cases the newer option is more convenient for people who just don't give enough of a shiat to care about the different quality of experience.  Fair enough.  I'm not saying people who prefer automatic transmissions are bad.  I'm saying that automatic transmissions are bad.


If you're listening to record players instead of a lossless digital format (something like FLAC or Apple Lossless) and handing out crappy-looking handwritten anything instead of sending something in a digital format that I can read without looking at your crappy chicken scratch writing and wasting paper to do it, then you're not bragging about anything worth bragging about.  I'm sorry, your 19th century technology record player is crap, with its scratchy, popping awfulness and "warm" (distorted) sound.  Your paper card is headed for the recycle bin with the rest of the junk mail.  And your manual transmission is crap too.

A computer can shift gears better than you can.  It's faster at it, it's smoother at it, and it's far less annoying at it than you are.  A dual-clutch automatic is demonstrably better than any manual transmission, you can even pick the gear yourself if you want (within reason, no shifting into reverse from 8th, that would be transmission destroying idiocy and the computer won't let you do it) with the paddles.  The CVT is better still, no noticeable clunking gears at all, just smooth efficiency at any RPM.  The automatic transmission isn't crap, the fluid torque converter is crap.  And the manual transmission has had its day, and that day is over, it's crap compared to anything modern.
 
2017-04-21 05:00:46 AM  
I'm gonna let you all in on a little secret here....

Having three generations under one roof is NORMAL.
Working as long as you're healthy and then spending all your time looking after the grandkids is NORMAL.
Only the elite being able to afford higher education is NORMAL.

There was a short abnormal period, starting in 1946 and ending around 2001, where things were special.  Where virtually anybody could go to college if they were smart enough, where kids moved out of their parents' house before they had kids of their own, where a majority of people actually retired, and didn't starve when they did so.  But that's damn rare, and I doubt it'll happen again any time soon.  We're going back to the days when the middle class was tiny, where the wealthy could run over a poor person and pay a fine, where old people burned newspapers so they wouldn't freeze to death, and so forth.  Maybe if the boomers had actually given a shiat about the people coming after them it could have continued apace.

But we'll never know.
 
2017-04-21 05:06:17 AM  
I work with a lot of different people from 19 to over 65 and to be honest, the age of the person has very little to do with anything.  Either you get it or you don't and either you work hard or you don't.  Sometimes the younger crowd says some dumb stuff but then again I was pretty stupid when I was 19.
 
2017-04-21 05:06:21 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.

No, it was part-time jobs during high school, full time jobs in the summer, full time job during junior college and part-time jobs during the last two years at University. And my daughter and some did mostly the same except for the junior college part because I paid just enough so they got by without loans and only had to work for pocket money. It was hard for me to find the jobs and it was hard for my kids to find their jobs because their ain't any red carpets waiting for anybody and never were. Five decades ago I was watching the end of the aerospace boom, 50% of aerospace workers being laid off, engineers scrambling to find jobs and winding up selling washing machines at Sears or taking jobs as truck drivers if they could find work. 5 decades ago it was clear that it didn't matter who you were or what you did, you had better be ready to learn a new dance when the music changed. There would be booms and busts and people lying to you all the way. Things are harder now, authentically harder. But it's still about doing things for yourself because the roads are never paved with gold and never have been.


My father could pay his tuition with the income from a minimum wage part time summer job.

Mine could be paid with a part time year round job.

And a kid starting the same state school today couldn't pay tuition with a full time minimum wage job.  The kid couldn't even do it with two full time minimum wage jobs and no time for class or sleep.

Sears is about to go bankrupt.

Truck driver won't be a job for much longer.

And we have a government that's telling people coal mining is going to be a thing again.  It's not, that's stupid, but that's actually what they're telling people.

The roads may never have been paved with gold, but they used to be paved with concrete, that got paved over with crappy asphalt, and now they're full of potholes deep enough to break an axle.
 
2017-04-21 05:15:58 AM  
That didn't seem to prove the generalisations, merely show that in today's work and housing markets the young are utterly screwed.

But who cares, the first few lines said the sweeping generalisations of a ridiculously broad group (how many decades worth of people does "millenial" cover by now, three?) are true, so let's fark them even harder. The cops can just shoot them if they finally snap.
 
2017-04-21 05:18:25 AM  

DarkVader: ...Truck driver won't be a job for much longer...


Taxi driver, maybe. Truck driver, no. Everything from hijacking to unloading and so on? No, even if the human doesn't drive the vehicle any more than a commercial airline pilot flies their plane, there's still gonna need to be someone there on board for quite a few decades yet.
 
2017-04-21 05:36:23 AM  
Actually, it's when parents stopped being parents, and became best friends with their children. It may also be the age difference between parents and children. The age of first time mothers is actually rising.
 
2017-04-21 06:02:57 AM  
"The average income for a working young women also increased, from $23,000 to $29,000 in 2015 dollars."

Does anyone proofread anymore?
 
2017-04-21 06:03:45 AM  
Young people always seem stupid.  I was stupid but now I am incredibly smart.
 
2017-04-21 06:09:00 AM  
I don't know, most of the older millenials that I have contact with seem to be getting pretty doing pretty well.

Of course, my sample is biased because they all moved here (DC) for jobs, so of course they have jobs and don't live with their parents.
 
2017-04-21 06:09:02 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


Great pic.  Maybe MILLENIALS shouldn't be getting $150K Liberal Arts degrees?  You can make an excellent living with ZERO college if you aren't an idiot.
 
2017-04-21 06:10:36 AM  

TheYeti: I don't know, most of the older millenials that I have contact with seem to be getting pretty doing pretty well.

Of course, my sample is biased because they all moved here (DC) for jobs, so of course they have jobs and don't live with their parents.


Holy shiat, I need coffee.  Seems that I started writing two sentences, so I'll go with "seem to be doing pretty well."
 
2017-04-21 06:31:10 AM  

wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.


It's because your eyes are up there. Way up there
 
2017-04-21 07:01:02 AM  

Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.


Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?
 
2017-04-21 07:06:23 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.

As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Did your part of the country not teach reading or burn books and newspapers? As someone who is 30 and was in the working world before the original iPhone, we were all buried in the newspaper or watching the company provided T.V. conveniently set on Fox News.
 
2017-04-21 07:12:07 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: BafflerMeal: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: wildcardjack: I had one focused on his phone walk into me tonight. I'm 6'5" tall and people can't see me all the time.

The devices are what really set them apart in terms of behavior IMO.

I was working at a major retailer today (I don't want to name them, but it rhymes with 'Blarget') in an active breakroom with maybe 10 mostly 20-somethings in it.

It was absolutely dead silent, every head bowed and 20 thumbs flying. It was actually somewhat eerie.

/ more of an observation than a criticism

I see rooms full of senior citizens behaving the same way. It's hardly age based. The monkey brain wants its dopamine.

/Don't confuse memory of an age with age based behaviours.

As it happens, the one person who did initiate a conversation with me was a retiree/part-timer in his mid 60s. He just said out of the blue, "How's it going" and we were off.

I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Or you could've just done what I do, find the most random thing you can think of (14th century battles, facts about giraffes, your desire to use a ball gag, or random words that sound made up) and say it.  It makes people realize they aren't willing to force their social conventions on me.  Silence is a beautiful thing.
 
2017-04-21 07:26:07 AM  

Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.


I see them as the first generation in the history of mankind that literally fears human interactions, and lacks the basic concept of hunting & gathering  (we now hunt for dollars and gather food).  Not all of them of course.

There are a few of them who are managing to evolve normally and they are easily spotted as they are wildly successful due to the simple lack of competition from their peers.  I know several people with just high school diplomas making six and seven figure incomes just because they still have their basic human drivers.

Employers are desperate for young people willing to get up each day and go to work, try their best each day, and not cry about it.  When they find those people they are well rewarded.  The situation reminds me of where Greece was starting to head thirty-five or so years ago.
 
2017-04-21 07:33:10 AM  

wejash: Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?


If they were, every sensible student would declare bankruptcy the day they graduate, dump the loans and move on. By the time they needed a credit rating again the bankruptcy would be history.
 
2017-04-21 07:36:18 AM  

CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that


Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?
 
2017-04-21 07:49:18 AM  

orbister: CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that

Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?


There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.
 
2017-04-21 07:50:55 AM  

FormlessOne: As an aging Gen-Xer, I don't care. I'm supporting Boomers. I'm supporting Millennials. I'm supporting Gen-Zers. I'm supporting everyone but my generation, it seems, because it's the others claiming that they're not getting enough. We're the ones currently in our 40s, approaching our 50s, realizing that it's our houses from which the Millennials are failing to launch, our equity on which the Boomers are living, and our jobs that are on the line should Millennials and Gen-Zers decide ageism isn't so bad. No one seems to give a shiat about Gen-Xers - we're the "Lost Generation" in this particular struggle, apparently, this culture war being conducted between our parents and our kids.


Bears repeating.

I'm not really complaining though. I'd rather work my ass off into oblivion (same as it ever was) than to be a scared old white Trumpeter or living in my parents' basement.

And I DO work with millenials who are amazingly talented, prodigies even. A real joy to push up the sleeves and get shiat done with them. That being said, most of these guys and gals admit to having friends who still live with the parents playing lots of video games in their spare time. Those folks would be getting their first grays by now, right?

I don't think there's a lack of millenial talent so much as the divide between the capable/incapable might getting wider over time. The entitled ones really stink it up for the rest of the generation.
 
2017-04-21 07:51:23 AM  

orbister: wejash: Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

If they were, every sensible student would declare bankruptcy the day they graduate, dump the loans and move on. By the time they needed a credit rating again the bankruptcy would be history.


Actually, I've written one congressman about student loans and received a 'thank you for your concern' letter and visited a senator's office in person to discuss the issue and the aid I met with was completely disinterested with what I had to say.  I wasn't talking about bankruptcy for student loans - I was talking about how the problem of huge public college costs vs. ways for people to pay for it without ending up with large amounts of debt.  So yeah people do talk to Congress.  The same Congress that just sold your private browsing history to other companies because they always do the right thing for their constituents, of course.
 
2017-04-21 07:53:03 AM  
How many of those "lazy" millennials that "still live in their parents home" are there because they are taking care of their aging or disabled parents?

I only know one millennial that lives with their parent, and that's my sister who lives with my disabled mom because we can't afford a live in nurse. And you know what? That situation was very common until recently, generations lived together.
 
2017-04-21 08:08:45 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?


I see, you're as angry as you are stupid. Perhaps you could look up how to parse English.
 
2017-04-21 08:35:26 AM  

CowardlyLion: There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.


The last bit might worry you if you ever wondered whether the rest of the world was quite as certain about things as you are. If, on the other hand, you are quite sure that you are right and most of te car buying public around the world is wrong, don't worry.
 
2017-04-21 08:36:59 AM  

BlippityBleep: Actually, I've written one congressman about student loans and received a 'thank you for your concern' letter and visited a senator's office in person to discuss the issue and the aid I met with was completely disinterested with what I had to say. I wasn't talking about bankruptcy for student loans - I was talking about how the problem of huge public college costs vs. ways for people to pay for it without ending up with large amounts of debt. So yeah people do talk to Congress. The same Congress that just sold your private browsing history to other companies because they always do the right thing for their constituents, of course.


I completely agree that loans systems for higher education are a disaster. The answer is to reform them, not to find workarounds with bankruptcy.
 
2017-04-21 08:42:37 AM  

ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]


Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.
 
2017-04-21 08:46:42 AM  
Millennials lost at life..

They grew up on a warming Earth (for whatever reason) which could wipe them all out, graduated high school into terrorist attacks and wars, graduated college into a recession, mounds of debt, an affordable housing crisis and more terrorist attacks and wars, they never will acquire the financial cushion, employment stability, and material possessions of their parents and grandparents, even though they're often more educated, experienced, informed, and digitally fluent than prior generations.

Then they're blamed for the above because they bought an iPhone.
 
2017-04-21 08:53:12 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Read a book/magazine/newspaper.
I have to work with these people, so why the hell would I want to socialize with them on my lunch-break?
 
2017-04-21 08:55:47 AM  
I'm a millennial and I'm thinking about moving back into my mother's house, because she lost her job and is taking care of my grandmother and needs the help and money. I'll have to take a major pay cut to move to that area and it will put my life plans on hold even further but you know hur hur lazy entitles assholes one and all.
 
2017-04-21 08:57:49 AM  

orbister: CowardlyLion: There are better gadgets to provide pleasure. I've heard of electric cars that get even better fuel economy than manual. And I'm not sure why that last bit should worry me, other than in a general "Good God, we can be doing so much better than this shiat already" kind of way.

The last bit might worry you if you ever wondered whether the rest of the world was quite as certain about things as you are. If, on the other hand, you are quite sure that you are right and most of te car buying public around the world is wrong, don't worry.


I'm not saying people or the world are all going to be willing or financially capable of (or that there won't be other barriers to) adopting better technology, but that we can do better than antiquated shiat like shifting gears with a damned pedal and stick.

Also not disparaging any folks who drive or like manual transmission, just the old AF technology, itself.
 
2017-04-21 09:00:41 AM  
Here's an idea, stop paying wages a single person can't live on. Don't want to pay those wages? Then get the fark out of business. Also provide full benefits, paid sick days, paid vacation, insurance etc etc. Don't want to do that? Then shut the fark up about everything. Or do the economic a favor, and get out of business. Seriously.

BTW if you demand a college degree and don't pay enough to rent the average apartment in the area paying no more than 25% of gross? You don't deserve to have a business. Period. You are scum.
 
2017-04-21 09:20:53 AM  

natazha: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.


I'm going to have to think carefully about my next car, because I'd like it to be a manual and those are eventually going away, and so I'll probably keep it forever (even though it will just be a secondary car at some point).

I think that it will be quite fun to teach my kids to drive in it.  And really, they are just for fun...no real point to them once the newest automatics make there way into entire car lineups.  Oh, and there will be electric cars everywhere, too, probabaly self driving, but it's not the same.
 
2017-04-21 09:23:16 AM  

TheYeti: natazha: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

Seriously, when I purchased my first car in 1972 I had to threaten the dealership before they would order it with "standard equipment" AKA 4-speed stick. My current van is an automatic because that was the only option. Just as well, my Gen-X wife has never tried driving a manual.

I'm going to have to think carefully about my next car, because I'd like it to be a manual and those are eventually going away, and so I'll probably keep it forever (even though it will just be a secondary car at some point).

I think that it will be quite fun to teach my kids to drive in it.  And really, they are just for fun...no real point to them once the newest automatics make there way into entire car lineups.  Oh, and there will be electric cars everywhere, too, probabaly self driving, but it's not the same.


Their, damn it.  Giving up on the internet.
 
2017-04-21 09:35:13 AM  

CowardlyLion: BafflerMeal: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Haha.

In Germany practically every car is stick.

...and?

Are you going to brag about how you're writing your comments on a typewriter and faxing them to Fark?


You seem to think cars are a mode of transport.
 
2017-04-21 09:35:38 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


At first, I was like [notlaughing.jpg], but then I saw the "millenials" label on the guy and got the joke so then I [totallyloled.jpg].
 
2017-04-21 09:40:06 AM  

Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.


So to be clear, Millenials are no better than any other generation, which makes them worse?
 
2017-04-21 09:52:33 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Mike_LowELL: J Noble Daggett: Because your balls have dropped, hair is growing on your chest and you want to get the hell out on your own. You don't want Mommy wiping your bottom or kissing your boo boos or making you snacks because you've developed some farking pride damnit. Because you have seen someone who will fail to launch and you thought that's worse than death. Yeck. Aw hell no, I'll pick lettuce in a field first, and sleep in a field if need be but no way am I gonna be THAT guy having mommy washing his clothes at 19. Maybe some Mommies are slipping their boys anti-testosterone meds in their creamy mac&cheese.

When you make these kinds of posts, it is very important to mention how you paid for college by working a part-time summer job.  Also, threaten to fight anyone under the age of 25.  It will give you "street cred", as the Millennials call it.

No, it was part-time jobs during high school, full time jobs in the summer, full time job during junior college and part-time jobs during the last two years at University. And my daughter and some did mostly the same except for the junior college part because I paid just enough so they got by without loans and only had to work for pocket money. It was hard for me to find the jobs and it was hard for my kids to find their jobs because their ain't any red carpets waiting for anybody and never were. Five decades ago I was watching the end of the aerospace boom, 50% of aerospace workers being laid off, engineers scrambling to find jobs and winding up selling washing machines at Sears or taking jobs as truck drivers if they could find work. 5 decades ago it was clear that it didn't matter who you were or what you did, you had better be ready to learn a new dance when the music changed. There would be booms and busts and people lying to you all the way. Things are harder now, authentically harder. But it's still about doing things for yourself because the roads are never paved with gold and never have been.


Lol.

'Member when selling washing machines at Sears or being a delivery driver paid enough to support a family? Or that these sorts of jobs that could actually support a person, let alone a family, were even readily available?
 
2017-04-21 09:57:11 AM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]


Anit-theft device indeed.  CSB time.  I decided to get a new car and traded in my old Scion tC.  The dealer said he would have had no problem unloading it to some young person, except it's a stick.  No one drives stick anymore, he said. :(

/I did not get top dollar on the trade-in
 
2017-04-21 09:58:33 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?


Logan's run via Smartphone Carousels?
 
2017-04-21 10:02:33 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

I see them as the first generation in the history of mankind that literally fears human interactions, and lacks the basic concept of hunting & gathering  (we now hunt for dollars and gather food).  Not all of them of course.

There are a few of them who are managing to evolve normally and they are easily spotted as they are wildly successful due to the simple lack of competition from their peers.  I know several people with just high school diplomas making six and seven figure incomes just because they still have their basic human drivers.


I know several people like that as well.  And luck was a *huge* factor in having that income (the family they were born into, who dad knew, right place at the right time, etc.) for the vast majority of them.I don't deny that many (not all) are working hard but gumption alone didn't bring those salaries.
 

Employers are desperate for young people willing to get up each day and go to work, try their best each day, and not cry about it.  When they find those people they are well rewarded.

I disagree.  If it is a large company, they are just a number in a company that is blatantly not loyal to them.  The only job security comes from being the one guy/girl, who decides to be *the* person for some hyper mundane system or process or team or product that the company will use for decades....well, that or working your way up which is often less work and knowledge and more politicing.  Employers generally like *any* employee who works beyond what they are paid.  If they are desperate for young people it is so they can pay them less than they would have to pay someone with more experience who would demand a higher salary and not put up with shiat.

It's a crap-shoot finding a job that "rewards well" for hard work.  When you do bust your ass, you have to dodge through things like eccentric and/or insecure and/or jealous bosses and co-workers.  And if your job actually metes out rewards (bonuses, promotions), it's often less merit based than it is some other factor or you find yourself getting the same as the guy who was late every day and sat on their ass doing nothing.

Top all this off with the fact that Millennials have been bombarded all their life with everyone telling them they are awesome and going to be the life of the party and have expensive homes and cars and tons of cool friends and get to travel to exotic locations for vacations, etc., all with minimal effort and all by the time they are in their late 20s.  I can kind of see any negative attitudes they present.
 
2017-04-21 10:03:59 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

So to be clear, Millenials are no better than any other generation, which makes them worse?


Yes. I thought we still believed in progress. I used to spend days, weeks, even years trying to figure out the name of a song or the artist. Now it's a Shazam away.
 
2017-04-21 10:05:57 AM  

Krieghund: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: My daughter and her fiance are both millennials, and are each hard working and without an entitled bone in their bodies

Well, she's got ONE entitled bone in her body. If you know what I mean.

Hey, she's an adult, she's engaged. I'm sure you're over it
.


Yeah, that ship has long since sailed.
 
2017-04-21 10:08:47 AM  

MajorTubeSteak: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

Anit-theft device indeed.  CSB time.  I decided to get a new car and traded in my old Scion tC.  The dealer said he would have had no problem unloading it to some young person, except it's a stick.  No one drives stick anymore, he said. :(

/I did not get top dollar on the trade-in



Well shiat.

I learned how to drive a stick when I had my learner's permit, and I HATED it at the time, but I'm glad I did.

1) My Jeep is stick, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
2) A good number of my friends can't drive a manual, so if they volunteer to be the DD, we can't take the Jeep.
3) Even when certain people claim they can drive one (like my brother), they do a shiatty job..like not giving it enough gas.
 
2017-04-21 10:32:20 AM  
Just based on their voting patterns, I'm gonna have to side with the Millennials, not the geezers.
 
2017-04-21 10:34:24 AM  

give me doughnuts: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?

Read a book/magazine/newspaper.
I have to work with these people, so why the hell would I want to socialize with them on my lunch-break?


Apparently I was blessed with gregarious and interesting co-workers throughout the years. Plus, I've always worked in the trades, where you might be paired with just one or two others for a relatively short duration, not an entire team for 5 days a week 52 weeks out of the year.
 
2017-04-21 10:50:05 AM  
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2017-04-21 10:54:29 AM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]


I gave my son a pickup truck with a 5 speed manual transmission when he was 16.  He's 21 and in college now.  He has a motorcycle and CDL license as well.  The CDL has gotten him some good paying part time jobs in college.
 
2017-04-21 11:04:21 AM  

moothemagiccow: trappedspirit: There's always going to be people who feel they are entitled to more than the world is providing them.  At least as long as there are people not teaching them to manage their expectations.

The people complaining that they're not getting enough is the reason I can play every hit song ever on something the size of a 60-minute audio cassette tape.


Not really.  The ones complaining aren't working in top tier technology jobs.
 
2017-04-21 11:06:08 AM  
Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

What I want is for all the money used for repayment of student loans to be a tax deduction.  Not just a couple thousand dollars in interest.  ALL of it.  It would  not be a "free" student loan, because you have pay the money back in order to get the tax benefit.  The people loaning me the money get paid back, and they still get their interest as incentive to make the loans in the first place.  But it would reduce the tax burden for people who are repaying their loans, and the extra money they save could be used for other personal spending which boosts the economy.  Of course, this has to be used in conjunction with income-based repayment programs, so that people aren't going broke on payments they can't afford until they make it to tax time.
 
2017-04-21 11:09:10 AM  

orbister: CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that

Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?

I'm pretty sure it has been at least a decade or two where manuals get better MPG or acceleration over automatics. When even the F-150 comes with a 10-speed auto and an Accord has a 7-speed auto, along with computer controlled shifting, manuals don't stand a chance.
 
2017-04-21 11:12:30 AM  

The_Sponge: MajorTubeSteak: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

Anit-theft device indeed.  CSB time.  I decided to get a new car and traded in my old Scion tC.  The dealer said he would have had no problem unloading it to some young person, except it's a stick.  No one drives stick anymore, he said. :(

/I did not get top dollar on the trade-in


Well shiat.

I learned how to drive a stick when I had my learner's permit, and I HATED it at the time, but I'm glad I did.

1) My Jeep is stick, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
2) A good number of my friends can't drive a manual, so if they volunteer to be the DD, we can't take the Jeep.
3) Even when certain people claim they can drive one (like my brother), they do a shiatty job..like not giving it enough gas.


I've owned 4 stick vehicles over the course of my driving years.  I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.
 
2017-04-21 11:14:07 AM  

wejash: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack


Why would they do that?
You borrowed it, you pay it back.  End of story.
Grow up.
 
2017-04-21 11:18:10 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


Honestly I just can't sympathize with this from my POV.
Graduated highschool in 06. Went to college from '06 to '12, through the crunch.
No loans, no scholarships, no family assistance. I worked my way through the most expensive state school (fark you ASU).

Of course I never partied or spent time taking pictures of my food.
 
2017-04-21 11:24:53 AM  
Millenials.  Heh.  Last month, I had one email me about his non-working desk phone, and at the end, apropos of nothing, he added:

And as a Millenial, I don't understand why I have to use a phone at all.  Why can't everyone just email me?
 
2017-04-21 11:25:24 AM  

Best Princess Celestia: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

Honestly I just can't sympathize with this from my POV.
Graduated highschool in 06. Went to college from '06 to '12, through the crunch.
No loans, no scholarships, no family assistance. I worked my way through the most expensive state school (fark you ASU).

Of course I never partied or spent time taking pictures of my food.


How dare you be responsible and make the others look bad!
 
2017-04-21 11:27:40 AM  

dill doze: What the hell are the parents thinking in these cases?  I don't care which arbitrary demographic group you're a member of.  If someone will let you live rent free, pay for your living expenses, let you just screw around all day, and not even demand to sleep with you then you've got to give it some serious consideration.

It sounds like we need a few more Red Formans out there.


Tell you what. You mock up a resume of someone just out of college, remember to add in the debt from predatory loans, and see how fast YOU pay off your debt.
 
2017-04-21 11:28:56 AM  

MajorTubeSteak: Best Princess Celestia: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

Honestly I just can't sympathize with this from my POV.
Graduated highschool in 06. Went to college from '06 to '12, through the crunch.
No loans, no scholarships, no family assistance. I worked my way through the most expensive state school (fark you ASU).

Of course I never partied or spent time taking pictures of my food.

How dare you be responsible and make the others look bad!


Sometimes I forget I changed my name. Used to be a dragon and dragons don't coddle snowflakes.
 
2017-04-21 11:33:29 AM  

MrSteve007: orbister: CowardlyLion: /there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that

Except for pleasure and better fuel economy. Does it worry you that in most of the world automatic transmissions are in a small minority?
I'm pretty sure it has been at least a decade or two where manuals get better MPG or acceleration over automatics. When even the F-150 comes with a 10-speed auto and an Accord has a 7-speed auto, along with computer controlled shifting, manuals don't stand a chance.


You're waaaay off base with your "decade or two" generalization. Here's an article from 2013 where Edmunds concludes it depends on the model.
 
2017-04-21 11:34:24 AM  

KrispykremeMcDonalds: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

Great pic.  Maybe MILLENIALS shouldn't be getting $150K Liberal Arts degrees?  You can make an excellent living with ZERO college if you aren't an idiot.


You're right. Perhaps millennials should be getting 100% state-funded liberal arts degrees like the entitled morons who dismantled public education funding.
 
2017-04-21 11:36:49 AM  

CheekyMonkey: Millenials.  Heh.  Last month, I had one email me about his non-working desk phone, and at the end, apropos of nothing, he added:

And as a Millenial, I don't understand why I have to use a phone at all.  Why can't everyone just email me?


He's right. Email is more reliable means of communication for work. There's an electronic paper trail of everything you sent me, so there's no excuse that you forgot to mention something and no demand that I left out something you asked me to do.
 
2017-04-21 11:37:51 AM  

MajorTubeSteak: I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.


So you like wearing out your transmission instead of your break pads, you buy shiatty cheap batteries, and often get stuck in snow banks?  I think it's time to take a closer look at your life and make some changes.
 
2017-04-21 11:50:55 AM  

DarkVader: A dual-clutch automatic is demonstrably better than any manual transmission, you can even pick the gear yourself if you want (within reason, no shifting into reverse from 8th, that would be transmission destroying idiocy and the computer won't let you do it) with the paddles. The CVT is better still, no noticeable clunking gears at all, just smooth efficiency at any RPM. The automatic transmission isn't crap, the fluid torque converter is crap.


DSG's are the best, although expensive and relatively rare in affordable vehicles.  CVT's are poor in performance vehicles, and in fact, they are substantially slower (both 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile) in identical vehicles compared to a regular old rowing manual transmission.

Also, you might not realize it, but CVT's have a fluid torque converter in front of them...  Automotive CVT's are constantly engaged chain drives, they do not slip.  Without a torque converter there would be no stopping.   Granted, they are generally very low stall, lockout torque converters, but they are torque converters.
 
2017-04-21 11:53:21 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


Let's see... the cartoon shows these young adults with shackles..

Who put them there?  Did someone hold a gun to their heads and made them go to expensive private colleges for worthless degrees and stay in like ToTaLLy aWEsOmE! dorms, organic/farm-to-table/hand-crafted/locally-sourced food service, buy designer purses and large TVs with student loans?  No.  They made these series of bad choices themselves.

I put myself through school (community college, undergrad, grad, and med), all state schools, without taking out a single loan, by working my ass off while in school. These were not high-paying jobs either, most around $15/hour, some less.  Occasionally I could score some nice project work and make more.  If I didn't have enough money for a full class load, I didn't take classes and worked more.  12-15 credit hours per semester + ~40-80 hours/week of work.  I remember friends joking that residency would be a vacation for me as it'd be the fewest hours I'd worked in my life.   I lived quite frugally and had to.  I still do.  Just sold my car from college, some 225,000+ miles later from when I got it.   I'm still planning on retiring early.

An education is an investment.  Not all investments are good ones.  Caveat Emptor!
 
2017-04-21 11:53:55 AM  

moothemagiccow: CheekyMonkey: Millenials.  Heh.  Last month, I had one email me about his non-working desk phone, and at the end, apropos of nothing, he added:

And as a Millenial, I don't understand why I have to use a phone at all.  Why can't everyone just email me?

He's right. Email is more reliable means of communication for work. There's an electronic paper trail of everything you sent me, so there's no excuse that you forgot to mention something and no demand that I left out something you asked me to do.


If you want to take a shiat on something off the record to give someone real information on the status of a project you wouldn't email it.
 
2017-04-21 11:56:31 AM  

trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.

So you like wearing out your transmission instead of your break pads, you buy shiatty cheap batteries, and often get stuck in snow banks?  I think it's time to take a closer look at your life and make some changes.


Ah yes, the beautiful negative BS response I've grown use to from Farkers like you. Sorry chief, but no. Maybe if you are an idiot like yourself, you wear out the transmission.  I've NEVER burned out one clutch or worn out a transmission.  Considering that I owned my Scion for 12 years and it still going fine proves you wrong. Nice try.  I've even used my clutch to stay in place on a hill.  It's all about subtlety and paying close attention, which is obviously not your strong suit.

I know this is hard for you to understand, but even good batteries can have a difficult time turning over a vehicle in a very cold climate, like being in Maine for the weekend in -20 degree weather.  Batteries lose cold cranking amps as the temperature drops.

But feel free to keep derping/trolling your way through life, it is serving you well.
 
2017-04-21 11:56:44 AM  

moothemagiccow: CheekyMonkey: Millenials.  Heh.  Last month, I had one email me about his non-working desk phone, and at the end, apropos of nothing, he added:

And as a Millenial, I don't understand why I have to use a phone at all.  Why can't everyone just email me?

He's right. Email is more reliable means of communication for work. There's an electronic paper trail of everything you sent me, so there's no excuse that you forgot to mention something and no demand that I left out something you asked me to do.


I'll not argue that as a general point.  *I'd* rather use email for everything myself.

However, this particular scenario involves him having to contact members of the community to request that they become involved and donate their time.  In this case, I would argue that you use whatever method of communication is used by *those you are trying to reach*, not whine about the fact that the world doesn't cater to your whims.
 
2017-04-21 12:04:36 PM  
Could it be parents fault for coddling them and making them get participation trophies?

/maybe they are not special
// false elevation of achievement when young
 
2017-04-21 12:13:43 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.

So you like wearing out your transmission instead of your break pads, you buy shiatty cheap batteries, and often get stuck in snow banks?  I think it's time to take a closer look at your life and make some changes.

Ah yes, the beautiful negative BS response I've grown use to from Farkers like you. Sorry chief, but no. Maybe if you are an idiot like yourself, you wear out the transmission.  I've NEVER burned out one clutch or worn out a transmission.  Considering that I owned my Scion for 12 years and it still going fine proves you wrong. Nice try.  I've even used my clutch to stay in place on a hill.  It's all about subtlety and paying close attention, which is obviously not your strong suit.

I know this is hard for you to understand, but even good batteries can have a difficult time turning over a vehicle in a very cold climate, like being in Maine for the weekend in -20 degree weather.  Batteries lose cold cranking amps as the temperature drops.

But feel free to keep derping/trolling your way through life, it is serving you well.


Wow, your car has a frictionless transmission that normal use of doesn't cause wear.  Somebody call physics and tell them they stopped working.  Brilliant.  Keep piling on the make-believe justifications.  I expected nothing less.
 
2017-04-21 12:16:47 PM  

thatboyoverthere: wejash: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

/threadjack

Have you emailed your senators and congressman to ask for student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy again?

This week?

No?

What the fark is wrong with you?

I'm really not kidding.

Several national groups are lobbying on this all the time...using they're Baby Boomer lobbyists and members to bang the drum.

/threadjack

Why bother? We can't even get the GOP to investigate if the very foundation of our country was violated by Russia. They're actively trying to kill me and my love ones. There is no way in hell they would ever think about helping me.



Yes.  That's the way to do it.

Exactly the way to put pressure on them!

You have the idea now.

Opt-out and show Congress that there's no danger in voting for the loan industry because you are too lazy to even make a farking phone call!

You pretty much just proved the point of everyone who says that your generation is too lazy, unreliable and self-involved to be counted on.  (And it doesn't matter WHICH generation you are in because EVERY generation says this about another one.)
 
2017-04-21 12:18:18 PM  
The generation before me is full of myopic, selfish pricks of the "I got mine, Jack" variety.

The generation after me is full of weak, entitled and useless c*nts.

My generation are mostly junkies.

Americans are awful people, is what I am getting at here.
 
2017-04-21 12:18:39 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]


Asinine comic. The difference is that the old people did move out of mommy's house, they got jobs, and worked for 40 years.
Other than that, yeah, it's totally accurate.
 
2017-04-21 12:25:50 PM  

trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.

So you like wearing out your transmission instead of your break pads, you buy shiatty cheap batteries, and often get stuck in snow banks?  I think it's time to take a closer look at your life and make some changes.

Ah yes, the beautiful negative BS response I've grown use to from Farkers like you. Sorry chief, but no. Maybe if you are an idiot like yourself, you wear out the transmission.  I've NEVER burned out one clutch or worn out a transmission.  Considering that I owned my Scion for 12 years and it still going fine proves you wrong. Nice try.  I've even used my clutch to stay in place on a hill.  It's all about subtlety and paying close attention, which is obviously not your strong suit.

I know this is hard for you to understand, but even good batteries can have a difficult time turning over a vehicle in a very cold climate, like being in Maine for the weekend in -20 degree weather.  Batteries lose cold cranking amps as the temperature drops.

But feel free to keep derping/trolling your way through life, it is serving you well.

Wow, your car has a frictionless transmission that normal use of doesn't cause wear.  Somebody call physics and tell them they stopped working.  Brilliant.  Keep piling on the make-believe justifications.  I expected nothing less.


Don't really care what you believe. The car lasted 12 years. Obviously its not a problem for non-trolls.
 
2017-04-21 12:28:49 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: Don't really care what you believe. The car lasted 12 years. Obviously its not a problem for non-trolls.


It's just physics, dude.  No reason to be afraid of it.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:50 PM  

trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: I love driving stick, and it has a few advantages like down shifting instead of braking and jump-starting the car on a weak battery. Several times, I have "rocked" my car out of a snow bank by alternating between first gear and clutch.  You can't do that with an automatic.

So you like wearing out your transmission instead of your break pads, you buy shiatty cheap batteries, and often get stuck in snow banks?  I think it's time to take a closer look at your life and make some changes.

Ah yes, the beautiful negative BS response I've grown use to from Farkers like you. Sorry chief, but no. Maybe if you are an idiot like yourself, you wear out the transmission.  I've NEVER burned out one clutch or worn out a transmission.  Considering that I owned my Scion for 12 years and it still going fine proves you wrong. Nice try.  I've even used my clutch to stay in place on a hill.  It's all about subtlety and paying close attention, which is obviously not your strong suit.

I know this is hard for you to understand, but even good batteries can have a difficult time turning over a vehicle in a very cold climate, like being in Maine for the weekend in -20 degree weather.  Batteries lose cold cranking amps as the temperature drops.

But feel free to keep derping/trolling your way through life, it is serving you well.

Wow, your car has a frictionless transmission that normal use of doesn't cause wear.  Somebody call physics and tell them they stopped working.  Brilliant.  Keep piling on the make-believe justifications.  I expected nothing less.


I've owned 4+ standards and did the same thing to each one and never had a problem. Please amaze me with all your standard transmission experience. Oh right, you have none.
 
2017-04-21 12:36:30 PM  

trappedspirit: MajorTubeSteak: Don't really care what you believe. The car lasted 12 years. Obviously its not a problem for non-trolls.

It's just physics, dude.  No reason to be afraid of it.


Not afraid of it. Just proving you don't know what you are talking about. Sure there is wear, but its not a big deal. Most people get rid of cars after 5 years. This one is 12 years old and still has no problems with the clutch. Pleas tell me exactly how old it needs to be before you consider it ok.
 
2017-04-21 12:37:36 PM  

Fano: AppleOptionEsc: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

Oh, was there an age limit on the Internet and smart phones? Does a crystal light up on your hand after the age of 35 and phones other than the Galaxy Note 7 detonate in your hands, dooming you to a life of cricket phones?

I see, you're as angry as you are stupid. Perhaps you could look up how to parse English.


I wouldn't think your position was that weak you fall back in ad hominem attacks. But what should I expect from someone who insists on calling people stupids based on their age.
 
2017-04-21 12:59:56 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Employers are desperate for young people willing to get up each day and go to work, try their best each day, and not cry about it.  When they find those people they are well rewarded.


ahahahahahahahahaha... no.

When they find those people they are well rewarded. asked to do more for the same pay and pushed to the brink until they become jaded and burned out.  The only time you will be rewarded is if you threaten to leave and have another job offer in hand, and even then it'shiat or miss.

UberDave: Employers generally like *any* employee who works beyond what they are paid.  If they are desperate for young people it is so they can pay them less than they would have to pay someone with more experience who would demand a higher salary and not put up with shiat.

It's a crap-shoot finding a job that "rewards well" for hard work.  When you do bust your ass, you have to dodge through things like eccentric and/or insecure and/or jealous bosses and co-workers.  And if your job actually metes out rewards (bonuses, promotions), it's often less merit based than it is some other factor or you find yourself getting the same as the guy who was late every day and sat on their ass doing nothing.


This guy ^.  Now this guy gets it.
 
2017-04-21 01:05:13 PM  
The one thing I have noticed that nobody talks about is how effeminate millennial males are compared to past generations.  Just look at a yearbook from the 70's or 80's and compare it to a recent one.  WTF is going on? Estrogen in the water supply?
 
2017-04-21 01:16:41 PM  

starsrift: DarkVader: ...Truck driver won't be a job for much longer...

Taxi driver, maybe. Truck driver, no. Everything from hijacking to unloading and so on? No, even if the human doesn't drive the vehicle any more than a commercial airline pilot flies their plane, there's still gonna need to be someone there on board for quite a few decades yet.


Unloading, refueling and just about everything else can be done by low-skill, low-wage employees, who wouldn't have to actually accompany any particular truck, and you could probably fire a few dozen truck drivers for every such flunkie you hire. In 20 years there won't be single professional truck driver in any developed nation, don't kid yourself.
 
2017-04-21 01:17:56 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: The one thing I have noticed that nobody talks about is how effeminate millennial males are compared to past generations.  Just look at a yearbook from the 70's or 80's and compare it to a recent one.  WTF is going on? Estrogen in the water supply?


You're gonna tell me that those dudes with their feathered hair are some epitome of masculinity?

On a more serious note: There's no estrogen in the water supply, but the increased use of plastics that break down and simulate estrogen is a real and provable argument.
 
2017-04-21 01:18:26 PM  

NobleHam: fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value


Just a quick QFT
 
2017-04-21 01:22:18 PM  

dill doze: J Noble Daggett: NobleHam: So young people believed old people when they said college was the way to a brighter future and then found their degrees didn't get them shiat, and Baby Boomers were unable to retire thanks to the Great Recession, so Millennials* are stuck working for jack shiat and living with their parents who also still have to work? Yeah, that's what everyone thought.

*who didn't get a STEM degree, but seriously, fark STEM superiority, the Western tradition of a liberal arts education still has value, and it's not our fault that it doesn't often have economic value

I don't get it, this "believe old people when ..."  At 15, 16, 17 you're looking at the world knowing that this high school thing will be over soon and thinking about what you'll be doing but no way should you be listening to advice from teachers or parents. You think for yourself. You're about to take charge of your own life. Your first and foremost goal is to find some way to go out and live on your own. Get some room mates and share some cheap dive while scrambling to make some money. Because as an adolescent you're supposed to want to get the hell away from your parents. Stand on your own. Internally driven. You make some mistakes and hopefully they don't kill you and you learn. But you don't blame the world, it just is. You figure out what you need to do to get by. The world ain't your Mommy, it won't wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos or make you some creamy mac&cheese, you gotta go buy some at the dollar store and make it for yourself. And then you need to find room mates that wash their own dishes after they make their Mac&cheese and pay their share of the rent. And you work two jobs so the little time you have on your own you can listen to The Young Man Blues like every other generation has. But at least you're not living at Mom's.

But why do all that when you can go on living like a child with a literal Mommy to wipe your bottom, kiss your boo boos, and make you some creamy mac&cheese?  Staying at home certainly makes paying the bills easier, and if it doesn't get in the way of "fulfilling yourself as a creative individual" or whatever it is that these people tell themselves they're doing with their time, for example because mom demands that you get a job and start paying a bit of rent, then why move out?  Other than how depressing an existence like that sounds, I guess...


Can you show me on the wallet where the millennial touched you?
 
2017-04-21 01:38:15 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: The one thing I have noticed that nobody talks about is how effeminate millennial males are compared to past generations.  Just look at a yearbook from the 70's or 80's and compare it to a recent one.  WTF is going on? Estrogen in the water supply?


No, this comes from the ultra-militant, men-hating portion of the feminist movement.  Remember, men and anything about them are bad.  Speak up against them and they'll say you're hateful and don't support equal rights.

It also comes from the movement in the late 80s-early 90s where they were trying to get rid of traditional gender roles.  If little Johnny wants to play with dolls all day, that's great!  If little Sarah wants to wear camo and play football, that's great!   Unfortunately, this leads to confusion which has long-lasting repercussions.  Those years are called formative years for a reason -- they are what shape a person into an adult.  Children at that age aren't capable of making these decisions for themselves.  This leads to anxiety issues among other issues.   Gender ambiguity also leads to the gay lisp as well.  I always wondered where that came from and found a few research studies on it awhile back.   You'll also notice that young males today also have more of a lisp, even for straight males.

This is no different than today where we see the media pushing the LBGT agenda.  According to the CDC, only 2.3% of the US population is gay. 0.3% claims to be transgender  If you looked at the media & advertising, you'd think it was closer to 50%.  The whole Target bathroom bullshiat has to be one of the dumbest marketing moves ever.  They've wiped out 35% of their stock value to please 0.3%.  In the meantime, WalMart hasn't dipped at all and experienced modest gains.
 
2017-04-21 02:48:17 PM  

Teufelaffe: /obl


I'm betting the millennials could spell appearance.

- Sofa
 
2017-04-21 02:58:09 PM  

CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving


Less complex, generally more robust, easier to service, cheaper to produce, often more efficient.... Yeah, that's obsolete.
 
2017-04-21 03:50:11 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: The one thing I have noticed that nobody talks about is how effeminate millennial males are compared to past generations.  Just look at a yearbook from the 70's or 80's and compare it to a recent one.  WTF is going on? Estrogen in the water supply?


Soy in everything.
 
2017-04-21 04:04:36 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Here's an idea, stop paying wages a single person can't live on. Don't want to pay those wages? Then get the fark out of business. Also provide full benefits, paid sick days, paid vacation, insurance etc etc. Don't want to do that? Then shut the fark up about everything. Or do the economic a favor, and get out of business. Seriously.

BTW if you demand a college degree and don't pay enough to rent the average apartment in the area paying no more than 25% of gross? You don't deserve to have a business. Period. You are scum.


I'm not sure you understand how capitalism works. Have you really thought about what you just said?

Why should a company be concerned with any of this?  Companies do what the market and social norms require them to do and nothing more. Sure there are exceptions here and there, but companies will only rise to what they need to do to obtain talent. Ultimately you are there to fulfill their needs. It is a byproduct that you get what you need ( from their perspective )
It's up the the employees to demand more and be willing to shoulder the risk of the companies to shrug and not hire you.

If they make you an offer that is too low to let you get the apartment you want, that is 100% your responsibility to decide. You don't have to work for that company, and you don't have to live in that city, and you don't have to have that apartment.

You do have some power... you can move, or work in a different field, or organize a formal group to help defend what you consider important ( Re: unions )
Just don't think that any company will rise to the occasion to "help" you unless they need you.
 
2017-04-21 04:10:07 PM  

doubled99: Bith Set Me Up: [img.fark.net image 850x649]

Asinine comic. The difference is that the old people did move out of mommy's house, they got jobs, and worked for 40 years.
Other than that, yeah, it's totally accurate.


Agreed.  The only side of this argument I would support is that so many colleges spend time and money on recruiting while I would be critical of  highschool and college academic counselors spending comparatively very little time teaching students about whether spending 200K on a psych bachelors is going to get you anywhere.

/Back when I was in school there were these (quarterly? ) reports they would post on the walls of one of the buildings on campus that had the average salaries of each job a graduating senior got, what the field was, what the degree program was, and how many jobs there were in the industry. Did that data  go away?
 
2017-04-21 04:39:02 PM  
Old people sound grumpy.
 
2017-04-21 04:44:15 PM  

Mellotiger: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Less complex, generally more robust, easier to service, cheaper to produce, often more efficient.... Yeah, that's obsolete.


Lighter
 
2017-04-21 04:53:23 PM  

huntercr: WhyteRaven74: Here's an idea, stop paying wages a single person can't live on. Don't want to pay those wages? Then get the fark out of business. Also provide full benefits, paid sick days, paid vacation, insurance etc etc. Don't want to do that? Then shut the fark up about everything. Or do the economic a favor, and get out of business. Seriously.

BTW if you demand a college degree and don't pay enough to rent the average apartment in the area paying no more than 25% of gross? You don't deserve to have a business. Period. You are scum.

I'm not sure you understand how capitalism works. Have you really thought about what you just said?

Why should a company be concerned with any of this?  ...


The phrase "deserve to have a business" is telling. Somebody still expects there to be some grand arbiter of fairness out there. "but __they__ told me if I did this ...".  So many expectations of the world owing them something. No, you didn't ask to be born and the world does care either. You need to be clever and develop friends if you want someone to care. The big outside world never does, never did.
 
2017-04-21 06:06:25 PM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: I guess my point was, that pre-device era, we were compelled to talk with our coworkers while on break or lunch.

What else could we have done? Just sit there in dead silence like a crazy person?


Read a book.
 
2017-04-21 11:28:50 PM  

Fano: StatelyGreekAutomaton: Fano: Weatherkiss: I work with a lot of millenials. They seem just as dumb and naive as I was at their age, which tells me that they're no better or worse than everybody else.

Yeah but the problem is, they shouldn't be, what with the sum total of human knowledge in their hands that they can't bother to use productively.

So to be clear, Millenials are no better than any other generation, which makes them worse?

Yes. I thought we still believed in progress. I used to spend days, weeks, even years trying to figure out the name of a song or the artist. Now it's a Shazam away.


We're essentially the same model humans as a thousand, or even ten thousand years ago. Knowledge is great, but being dumb and ignorant is a time honoured tradition.
 
2017-04-22 01:24:20 AM  
Obligatory:
You've Gotta Love Millennials - Micah Tyler
Youtube hLpE1Pa8vvI
 
2017-04-22 02:34:54 AM  

Mellotiger: CowardlyLion: ADHD Librarian: The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

FTFA (fixed that for Aussies, our kids still know how to drive)
[img.fark.net image 800x800]

How many onions you got on your belt?

/there's little excuse for the continued existence of shiatty, antiquated technology like that
//expects the elderly and irrational snobs will continue whining long after cars are all self-driving

Less complex, generally more robust, easier to service, cheaper to produce, often more efficient.... Yeah, that's obsolete.


So your hierarchy for modes of ground transportation would be something like:

walking/running > horse > horse & buggy > antique car > stick-shift car > computer-integrated car > self-driving car

That look about right?
 
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