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2017-04-20 06:48:16 PM  
Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?
 
2017-04-20 06:57:36 PM  

raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?


So long as you think of corporations as being citizens whose dollars equal speech, yeah.

I am oddly impressed that Donnie has put the American government MOAR for sale than Romney would have, and that's saying something. He is having a Gottverdammt firesale at this point...
 
2017-04-20 06:59:21 PM  
Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider." A county would also be considered competitive if 75 percent of Census blocks have a cable provider.

This does not bode well for me, here in rural nowhere.  Competition in ISP's?  lol what's that?  We've got the cable company, that's it.  No DSL.  No fiber.  I guess there's satellite but that's a last resort for those who actually DON'T have any other options.  And they're probably none too happy with me since a few years ago we dumped cable and landline through them, internets only.  Not good.
 
2017-04-20 07:02:47 PM  

hubiestubert: raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?

So long as you think of corporations as being citizens whose dollars equal speech, yeah.

I am oddly impressed that Donnie has put the American government MOAR for sale than Romney would have, and that's saying something. He is having a Gottverdammt firesale at this point...


I find the whole thing sickening.   I can't even snark anymore (._. )
 
2017-04-20 07:33:15 PM  

raerae1980: hubiestubert: raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?

So long as you think of corporations as being citizens whose dollars equal speech, yeah.

I am oddly impressed that Donnie has put the American government MOAR for sale than Romney would have, and that's saying something. He is having a Gottverdammt firesale at this point...

I find the whole thing sickening.   I can't even snark anymore (._. )


It's long past funny, but at this point, hanging on to snark is about the only way to get through the day without taking up meat mallet and just swinging randomly through a crowd. Mainly because the folks who most deserve it, won't learn from the example, and it won't bring anything back. So, you have to laugh. Right after you maybe cry a bit. Because that's the only way of getting through this mess with a modicum of dignity and sanity.
 
2017-04-20 07:34:04 PM  
Raise your hand if this is at all surprising to you.  Anyone?  Anyone? Bueller?
 
2017-04-20 07:50:58 PM  

hubiestubert: raerae1980: hubiestubert: raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?

So long as you think of corporations as being citizens whose dollars equal speech, yeah.

I am oddly impressed that Donnie has put the American government MOAR for sale than Romney would have, and that's saying something. He is having a Gottverdammt firesale at this point...

I find the whole thing sickening.   I can't even snark anymore (._. )

It's long past funny, but at this point, hanging on to snark is about the only way to get through the day without taking up meat mallet and just swinging randomly through a crowd. Mainly because the folks who most deserve it, won't learn from the example, and it won't bring anything back. So, you have to laugh. Right after you maybe cry a bit. Because that's the only way of getting through this mess with a modicum of dignity and sanity.


...wise words :-)
 
2017-04-20 09:30:39 PM  
Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider."

Because when talking about home broadband you can just go out and buy some, and bring it home in a bucket or something.

/Thankful more than ever for the UK system.
//Over a hundred ISP to choose from. Changing to any of them is simple.
 
2017-04-20 09:49:52 PM  
Long as they also kill off all those state laws that prevent municipal funded access...I'm sorry this isn't funny at all.
 
2017-04-20 10:54:19 PM  
I am oh so tired of winning.
 
2017-04-20 10:57:12 PM  
Is America great again yet?
 
2017-04-20 10:59:01 PM  
sh*t's gonna start getting violent if this keeps up
 
2017-04-20 10:59:45 PM  
Thank God I live in a blue state in an area with abmunicipal isp
 
2017-04-20 11:02:00 PM  
I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
www.concordmonitor.com
 
2017-04-20 11:02:35 PM  
Eh.  I was assured last fall that Democrats would do the same thing.   You see, they're just a lite version of the Republicans.
 
2017-04-20 11:07:05 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
[www.concordmonitor.com image 742x500]


Hard to increase competition when the big telecoms have bribed state governments to squash potential competition. Price caps have fark-all to do with it.

The telecoms need to be broken up, Ma Bell-style, and the state laws stifling competition need to be struck down. Neither is going to happen as long as Republicans have even a ghost of power.
 
2017-04-20 11:11:52 PM  
50 OHMS!!!
 
2017-04-20 11:13:05 PM  
Huge victory for the "go back to the '50s" crowd. A lot of Donny's base hates the internet, they hate that people from different countries can talk so easily to one another, they hate that they need to put on church approved software filters so their children don't see anything that contradicts their religious teachings, they hate that e-commerce is a thing, they hate access to non-broadcast media.

For the rest of the country, this sort of thing is an economic nightmare. A lot of businesses now rely on essentially unlimited access to customers by internet. A lot of devices call home automatically, both industrial and consumer level products.

Mostly though this is all about control of information. The telecos have always cooperated with the government, since the days Western Union gave the feds copies of all intercontinental telegrams. With media consolidation only a relatively few people need to be involved to shape traffic in a way that discourages access to, say, fake news. With the end of price caps, with the ability for ISPs to offer best access to their own curated news and entertainment, with more limited data caps, it becomes harder to get independent information.

I'm anticipating the end of safe harbor provisions for ISPs for content delivered. There is no need for the government to directly censor anything, they can simply have it done by the ISPs and content providers without actually touching the end user. That way, "good Christians" can make sure nobody is contaminated by opposing opinions. I used to consider this extremely unlikely but not with the way the Republicans are acting these days, particularly this FCC chair.
 
2017-04-20 11:13:52 PM  

nekom: Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider." A county would also be considered competitive if 75 percent of Census blocks have a cable provider.

This does not bode well for me, here in rural nowhere.  Competition in ISP's?  lol what's that?  We've got the cable company, that's it.  No DSL.  No fiber.  I guess there's satellite but that's a last resort for those who actually DON'T have any other options.  And they're probably none too happy with me since a few years ago we dumped cable and landline through them, internets only.  Not good.


But if 50% of the folks in your county are 1/2 mile from a competitor connection...it is competitve.

So if half the county can SEE a house with another provider, it is as good as having one yourself.

That is one farked up "you can almost but not quite taste the freedom" rule.
 
2017-04-20 11:17:08 PM  

nekom: This does not bode well for me, here in rural nowhere.


I feel sorry for YOU, but the rest of the rural folk, who voted overwhelmingly for exactly this kind of thing?Looks like the leopards are just getting started...
 
2017-04-20 11:20:22 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
[www.concordmonitor.com image 742x500]


Comparing the oil shortage to Internet access and pricing is ignorant, even for you.  The telecoms paid nothing for the initial infrastructure, and the expansions into rural areas weren't paid for by them either.  They charge a premium price for a level of service that aren't "high-speed" despite all their advertisements to the contrary.

These people conned the government into paying for their infrastructure on more than one occasion, lied to people about the services they were selling, and are now preparing to increase their prices when they already charge several times more than is reasonable for the low quality of service they do actually provide.  There is no defense for this happening.
 
2017-04-20 11:23:53 PM  
DON'T PANIC. Trust in the free market and the Lord!
 
2017-04-20 11:24:17 PM  

LordJiro: AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
[www.concordmonitor.com image 742x500]

Hard to increase competition when the big telecoms have bribed state governments to squash potential competition. Price caps have fark-all to do with it.

The telecoms need to be broken up, Ma Bell-style, and the state laws stifling competition need to be struck down. Neither is going to happen as long as Republicans have even a ghost of power.


Yeah, not going to happen. Utilities are monopolies. One phone company, one cable company, one water company, one electrical company per territory. Remove that and no company would pay to maintain the infrastructure. The alternative would be to go back to 50 companies all running wires on the same poles, which was a huge problem before regulation. Google makes it work by not being one of the other classes of companies and they had to fight tooth and nail against the existing ISPs blocking them in court.

The state utility regulatory boards are hugely corrupt and the companies that control them won't relinquish that control. And as long as Congress remains glorified telemarketers for the two political parties, that isn't going to change.

We're screwed, content providers are screwed, e-commerce is screwed, and that is before taking into account any actual controls I expect to be imposed to prevent dissenting views from being disseminated on websites.
 
2017-04-20 11:26:08 PM  
lovely
 
2017-04-20 11:36:26 PM  
Do these idiots not realize how much of the economy relies on the availability of reasonably priced internet access? Cord cutters will cut their internet cord as well once ISPs start gouging them. That in turn hurts not only the ISP but Netflix, Amazon, Google and lots of other blue chip companies that these greedy bastards have in their investment portfolios. Never point a loaded machine gun at your own feet, no matter how confident you are that the safety is engaged. Just don't.
 
2017-04-20 11:40:00 PM  
Yeah for near monopolies winning yet again.

So much winning.
 
2017-04-20 11:41:20 PM  

BolloxReader: LordJiro: AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
[www.concordmonitor.com image 742x500]

Hard to increase competition when the big telecoms have bribed state governments to squash potential competition. Price caps have fark-all to do with it.

The telecoms need to be broken up, Ma Bell-style, and the state laws stifling competition need to be struck down. Neither is going to happen as long as Republicans have even a ghost of power.

Yeah, not going to happen. Utilities are monopolies. One phone company, one cable company, one water company, one electrical company per territory. Remove that and no company would pay to maintain the infrastructure. The alternative would be to go back to 50 companies all running wires on the same poles, which was a huge problem before regulation. Google makes it work by not being one of the other classes of companies and they had to fight tooth and nail against the existing ISPs blocking them in court.

The state utility regulatory boards are hugely corrupt and the companies that control them won't relinquish that control. And as long as Congress remains glorified telemarketers for the two political parties, that isn't going to change.

We're screwed, content providers are screwed, e-commerce is screwed, and that is before taking into account any actual controls I expect to be imposed to prevent dissenting views from being disseminated on websites.


I don't really say this as a rejection of your argument, I bet we probably agree on the issue, but there are plenty of examples, overseas, of how to provide broadband, without going to a wholly public-operated service, without sacrificing efficiency, quality, or competition.
 
2017-04-20 11:48:16 PM  
The article isn't really clear on this, but...

FTA:

While there are no price caps on home Internet service, the FCC does limit the prices of so-called Business Data Services (BDS) provided by incumbent phone companies like AT&T, Verizon, and CenturyLink. The services are delivered over copper-based TDM networks and are commonly used for "connecting bank ATM networks and retail credit-card readers [and] providing enterprise business networks with access to branch offices, the Internet, or the cloud," the FCC said.

This seems more targeted at business than Harry Homeowner networks.

Not to say it's not stupid as shiat, says someone who used to pay $1500 / mo for a T-1.
 
2017-04-20 11:49:52 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Is America great again yet?


It will be when we've finally burned the last consumer protection laws and completely disassembled the safety nets.  Because most people know how to test their own hot dogs for botulism now, and when the last restraints are broken on our finest corporate citizens, everyone will be able to compete on an equal footing and literally millions of companies will spring up to provide everything from dirt-cheap broadband services to affordable insurance.  Bless the holy and sacred free market, everyone will have a job, gasoline will be 50 cents a gallon and nobody will be poor anymore, world without end, amen.
 
2017-04-20 11:59:00 PM  
What a bunch of corrupt farkwads.
 
2017-04-20 11:59:08 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Do these idiots not realize how much of the economy relies on the availability of reasonably priced internet access? Cord cutters will cut their internet cord as well once ISPs start gouging them. That in turn hurts not only the ISP but Netflix, Amazon, Google and lots of other blue chip companies that these greedy bastards have in their investment portfolios. Never point a loaded machine gun at your own feet, no matter how confident you are that the safety is engaged. Just don't.



They do not realize that the competition is not between Chattanooga and San Francisco, the competition is between Chattanooga and Seoul South Korea.
 
2017-04-20 11:59:33 PM  
why are we racing to go backwards? to appease the boomers as they slide up to death's door?
 
2017-04-20 11:59:48 PM  
Hahaha! Libs getting charged more money, meanwhile i'm
at home reading the Bible and laughing my ass off. MAGA!!
 
2017-04-21 12:00:03 AM  
This is tyranny.  This may actually jeapordize natl security - possibly intentional.  If census data really was weaponized in the 2016 election (bare with me here), this will make all of our personal info infinitely more available to those who wish to influence us.
 
2017-04-21 12:02:39 AM  
No one's really talking about the scariest angle. If the FCC is working with the Reptilians, this opens the door to a whole host of possible mind control problems. Reptilians already control our Congress, but we have been lucky to have a President who is, for lack of better term, an idiot and thus not one of them.
 
2017-04-21 12:03:36 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose the fear is that the price controls were keeping prices down instead of increasing competition. As we all know, price caps help everyone by preventing people from being gouged.
[www.concordmonitor.com image 742x500]


No, the fear was that communications company executives would have to settle for mere 7-figure bonuses this year.
 
2017-04-21 12:06:18 AM  
T-Mobile - Poser Mobile Bowling - FEEs!!! shorty, FEEs!!!
Youtube w4AWazJ3FsM
 
2017-04-21 12:17:11 AM  

Raspil: why are we racing to go backwards? to appease the boomers as they slide up to death's door?


Most of the boomers don't really give a rat's ass one way or another, but this isn't really anything to do with them.  It's more to do with an unholy union of reactionary authoritarians and rent-seeking corporate kleptocrats who won't be happy until there's a direct, unstoppable vacuum-hose between your pocket and theirs and the internet is turned into a one-way media pipeline to force-feed you slurrified "content."

The media companies were the sole gatekeepers once.  They want those days back.  The authoritarians want it, too, because they can maintain tight control over the flow of information much more easily if it passes through far fewer hands than it does now.  They've made common cause.
 
2017-04-21 12:20:31 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-21 12:46:34 AM  

nekom: Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider." A county would also be considered competitive if 75 percent of Census blocks have a cable provider.

This does not bode well for me, here in rural nowhere.  Competition in ISP's?  lol what's that?  We've got the cable company, that's it.  No DSL.  No fiber.  I guess there's satellite but that's a last resort for those who actually DON'T have any other options.  And they're probably none too happy with me since a few years ago we dumped cable and landline through them, internets only.  Not good.


Hey, don't feel bad, I live in one of the most populated cities in the US and I only have 2 options - AT&T or Comcast, both of which suck balls. Every few months they try to raise rates to ridiculous levels and I have to go through the same 30 minute phone call routine of threatening to switch providers and going through a tiresome charade before they begrudgingly finally offer me an "introductory rate" for new customers, but will "reset me to a new customer status", like that is a bad thing? Yeah, you guys REALLY support your existing base.. There is NO reason for loyalty as it only means they see you as being able to be taken advantage of.

In my opinion, I would love to see Internet and tv service providers go the way of electric companies here with sites like The Power to Choose. There is a ton of competition and I can shop and get the best rates. Providers are forced to actually differentiate themselves in meaningful ways or at the least offer more competitive rates.
 
2017-04-21 12:50:47 AM  

jso2897: [img.fark.net image 850x445]


why half-step when you can goose step?

i.imgflip.com
 
2017-04-21 02:03:29 AM  
s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
/oblig
 
2017-04-21 02:13:23 AM  
And up here in Canada, the CRTC today just reaffirmed that Net Neutrality is indeed a thing and carriers WILL follow it.

Sucks to be south of the 49th lately...
 
2017-04-21 04:05:45 AM  

maxheck: The article isn't really clear on this, but...

FTA:

While there are no price caps on home Internet service, the FCC does limit the prices of so-called Business Data Services (BDS) provided by incumbent phone companies like AT&T, Verizon, and CenturyLink. The services are delivered over copper-based TDM networks and are commonly used for "connecting bank ATM networks and retail credit-card readers [and] providing enterprise business networks with access to branch offices, the Internet, or the cloud," the FCC said.

This seems more targeted at business than Harry Homeowner networks.

Not to say it's not stupid as shiat, says someone who used to pay $1500 / mo for a T-1.


And when they insist you upgrade to a business line because you use VPN and large amounts of data?
 
2017-04-21 04:11:02 AM  

nekom: Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider." A county would also be considered competitive if 75 percent of Census blocks have a cable provider.

This does not bode well for me, here in rural nowhere.  Competition in ISP's?  lol what's that?  We've got the cable company, that's it.  No DSL.  No fiber.  I guess there's satellite but that's a last resort for those who actually DON'T have any other options.  And they're probably none too happy with me since a few years ago we dumped cable and landline through them, internets only.  Not good.


Are you a business?  Might want to RTFA.
 
2017-04-21 05:09:36 AM  

barc0001: And up here in Canada, the CRTC today just reaffirmed that Net Neutrality is indeed a thing and carriers WILL follow it.

Sucks to be south of the 49th lately...


And I'm contemplating switching to a different ISP because they offer similar price point to my existing cable based service but offer higher speed in exchange for a little less bandwidth per month, because we have sweet sweet options and I love that.

/currently Teksavvy, contemplating ElectronicBox
//both cable because F bell's infrastructure
 
2017-04-21 06:40:29 AM  

raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?


Theyre doing what big business wants. Which wont be so great for the other 99%.
 
2017-04-21 07:38:14 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider."

Because when talking about home broadband you can just go out and buy some, and bring it home in a bucket or something.

/Thankful more than ever for the UK system.
//Over a hundred ISP to choose from. Changing to any of them is simple.


Yeah,  but, but you need a license to have t.v.!
 
2017-04-21 08:21:24 AM  

Katolu: Ron Vibbentrop: Because of today's decision, the price caps will be eliminated in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider."

Because when talking about home broadband you can just go out and buy some, and bring it home in a bucket or something.

/Thankful more than ever for the UK system.
//Over a hundred ISP to choose from. Changing to any of them is simple.

Yeah,  but, but you need a license to have t.v.!


And because of that we get a bunch of channels and radio stations with no adverts. I'm very happy with the system.
 
2017-04-21 08:48:42 AM  

hubiestubert: raerae1980: hubiestubert: raerae1980: Hey, they're just doing what the voters wanted, right?

So long as you think of corporations as being citizens whose dollars equal speech, yeah.

I am oddly impressed that Donnie has put the American government MOAR for sale than Romney would have, and that's saying something. He is having a Gottverdammt firesale at this point...

I find the whole thing sickening.   I can't even snark anymore (._. )

It's long past funny, but at this point, hanging on to snark is about the only way to get through the day without taking up meat mallet and just swinging randomly through a crowd. Mainly because the folks who most deserve it, won't learn from the example, and it won't bring anything back. So, you have to laugh. Right after you maybe cry a bit. Because that's the only way of getting through this mess with a modicum of dignity and sanity.


That's why this was the perfect time for MST3K to come back.  I wish there were more episoded.
 
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