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(Washington Post)   A nation asks: "What the hell is going on with Bernie Sanders?"   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 01:05:52 PM  
Fark you, Bernie.  Fark you, BernieBros.  It was her turn.  Hillary would have beaten Trump.
 
2017-04-20 01:11:14 PM  
Is anyone even remotely familiar with the man startled by any of this?  This is Bernie being Bernie.
 
2017-04-20 01:23:49 PM  
Whom?
 
2017-04-20 01:24:14 PM  
Last I saw was some gold chicken.
 
2017-04-20 01:41:23 PM  
Washington Post sounds ConcernedTM, so very ConcernedTM about Bernie not being a loyal rank-and-file conventional Democrat.

/Nothing he said was wrong.
//Nothing he said was any surprise to Bernie's followers.
///WaPo just wants a nice stable, corporate friendly Democrat in office, not Bernie nor Trump.
 
2017-04-20 01:45:45 PM  
He's anti-Corporation! and abortion...
 
2017-04-20 01:52:07 PM  
I looked at the comments, Ray.

/sob
 
2017-04-20 02:17:24 PM  

Silverstaff: WaPo just wants a nice stable, corporate friendly Democrat in office, not Bernie nor Trump.


Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is.

Perhaps the strangest thing about this is that Sanders isn't vouching for Ossoff's progressivism even as he's doing so for another Democrat of pretty questionable credentials. That would be Omaha mayoral candidate and former state senator Heath Mello, whom Sanders will campaign with Thursday.
As the Wall Street Journal's Reid J. Epstein and Natalie Andrews note, Mello in 2009 sponsored a bill that would require a woman to look at ultrasound images of her fetus before undergoing an abortion (he still opposes abortion rights). Indeed, it's tough to think of something that progressives would hate more.
 
2017-04-20 02:28:10 PM  
Much ado about absolutely nothing.  "Bernie Sanders seems to possibly maybe have a differing opinion."  So farking what?  This isn't the GOP, we don't operate with a Gestalt.
 
2017-04-20 02:29:49 PM  
He's a hundred years old white guy and he's being shown by younger folks as an instrument for change in America.  That's the problem.
 
2017-04-20 02:31:05 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-20 02:31:12 PM  

Cpl.D: Much ado about absolutely nothing.  "Bernie Sanders seems to possibly maybe have a differing opinion."  So farking what?  This isn't the GOP, we don't operate with a Gestalt.


Remember, Civil Rights for marginalized groups are bargaining chips, not principles!
 
2017-04-20 02:32:17 PM  
Didn't we do this thread yesterday?
 
2017-04-20 02:32:42 PM  
So he's not measuring up to the author's purity test?

/drink
 
2017-04-20 02:32:58 PM  
Brobably nothing bad
 
2017-04-20 02:35:21 PM  
Oh FFS.  Bernie's supposed "strange comments":

* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist
* He repeated his line that President Trump "did not win the election; the Democrats lost the election" - This is also true, the Democrats should have beaten Trump easily

And then there's the "I don't know enough about Ossoff to really make a judgement." comment which people are losing their minds over.  Even though it's completely innocuous and true.

The Hillary loyalists love to talk about party unity, but god damn, they've sure got some long knives and a taste for revenge.  And for some damned reason, they blame Bernie for their own incompetence and tone-deafness.  Shrug.

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.
 
2017-04-20 02:36:17 PM  
He's fine. People like him because he speaks his mind and doesn't prioritize crafting his message over getting his point across, but unlike Trump, he's smart, and has a conscience, and ethics, and morals, and he thinks about the welfare of other people, and he's not a loathsome force of concentrated evil.
 
2017-04-20 02:36:23 PM  

Clutch2013: Silverstaff: WaPo just wants a nice stable, corporate friendly Democrat in office, not Bernie nor Trump.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is.

Perhaps the strangest thing about this is that Sanders isn't vouching for Ossoff's progressivism even as he's doing so for another Democrat of pretty questionable credentials. That would be Omaha mayoral candidate and former state senator Heath Mello, whom Sanders will campaign with Thursday.
As the Wall Street Journal's Reid J. Epstein and Natalie Andrews note, Mello in 2009 sponsored a bill that would require a woman to look at ultrasound images of her fetus before undergoing an abortion (he still opposes abortion rights). Indeed, it's tough to think of something that progressives would hate more.


Question: what power would the mayor of Omaha have to promote or oppose abortion rights in the city?
 
2017-04-20 02:38:06 PM  
archnem:

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.

I don't give ANY of us much chance of surviving the Trump administration.
 
2017-04-20 02:38:53 PM  

archnem: Oh FFS.  Bernie's supposed "strange comments":

* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist
* He repeated his line that President Trump "did not win the election; the Democrats lost the election" - This is also true, the Democrats should have beaten Trump easily

And then there's the "I don't know enough about Ossoff to really make a judgement." comment which people are losing their minds over.  Even though it's completely innocuous and true.

The Hillary loyalists love to talk about party unity, but god damn, they've sure got some long knives and a taste for revenge.  And for some damned reason, they blame Bernie for their own incompetence and tone-deafness.  Shrug.

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.


If my local Democrats and my local/state Young Democrats chapters weren't so active and such a great venue for me to participate in politics locally, there's little chance I'd be a member of the Democratic Party today. We'll see what happens in the next four years.
 
2017-04-20 02:38:56 PM  
I don't know man.  If you can't even beat Hillary Clinton then how are you supposed to win the general?  I mean, even Donald Farking Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
 
2017-04-20 02:39:13 PM  
Wapo needs 15 more negative editorials on Sanders in the next few hours to beat their record.
 
2017-04-20 02:39:27 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Fark you, Bernie.  Fark you, BernieBros.  It was her turn.  Hillary would have beaten Trump.


Couldn't win the Democratic nomination; was somehow expected to win over right wingers to boot.
 
2017-04-20 02:40:40 PM  

archnem: Oh FFS.  Bernie's supposed "strange comments":

* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist
* He repeated his line that President Trump "did not win the election; the Democrats lost the election" - This is also true, the Democrats should have beaten Trump easily

And then there's the "I don't know enough about Ossoff to really make a judgement." comment which people are losing their minds over.  Even though it's completely innocuous and true.

The Hillary loyalists love to talk about party unity, but god damn, they've sure got some long knives and a taste for revenge.  And for some damned reason, they blame Bernie for their own incompetence and tone-deafness.  Shrug.

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.


It's strange because he's supposedly embarked on a "Come Together and Fight Back" tour with Tom Perez, and because he's the Democratic outreach chairman in the Senate. None of those comments suggest anything about "coming together" - one is, in fact, a direct attack on Clinton - or doing any outreach.

Also, if he was truly interested in "fighting back", don't you think he'd have a passing familiarity with the Democratic candidate in a high-profile Congressional race? I guess mayor of Omaha is more important...
 
2017-04-20 02:40:47 PM  

archnem: Oh FFS.  Bernie's supposed "strange comments":

* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist
* He repeated his line that President Trump "did not win the election; the Democrats lost the election" - This is also true, the Democrats should have beaten Trump easily

And then there's the "I don't know enough about Ossoff to really make a judgement." comment which people are losing their minds over.  Even though it's completely innocuous and true.

The Hillary loyalists love to talk about party unity, but god damn, they've sure got some long knives and a taste for revenge.  And for some damned reason, they blame Bernie for their own incompetence and tone-deafness.  Shrug.

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.


If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.  And if he doesn't want to be a Democrat maybe he should quit screwing around with the Democratic party leadership.  Is there any other country, anywhere in the world, that allows people from outside the party to pick that party's candidates?
 
2017-04-20 02:41:43 PM  

Chris Ween: I don't know man.  If you can't even beat Hillary Clinton then how are you supposed to win the general? I mean, even Donald Farking Trump beat Hillary Clinton.


By relying on votes from self-identified independent voters? Several contemporaneous polls showed he was ludicrously popular with them while Hillary was less popular than Nickelback among them.
 
2017-04-20 02:42:33 PM  

archnem: He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist


Cut, That's a wrap.

Thanks, all we needed.  Bye.
 
2017-04-20 02:43:33 PM  
You lost because the majority of people don't like being forced to pay for shiat others didn't work for. Get over it.
 
2017-04-20 02:43:41 PM  

Chris Ween: I don't know man.  If you can't even beat Hillary Clinton then how are you supposed to win the general?  I mean, even Donald Farking Trump beat Hillary Clinton.


Maybe if Bernie hadn't been buried under pied piper candidates and actually gotten media time... but that is not what the companies that produce the ad revenue want.

Oh yeah, Bros.

img.fark.net
 
2017-04-20 02:43:50 PM  

ArkPanda: If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.


So a reporter asks him about Ossoff....and he just sits there?  That's your media coaching?  Or he should lie and possibly have it backfire?  Face it, no matter what Bernie said about anything, people would complain.  He could say that vanilla ice cream is awesome and Democrats would biatch that he was a racist because he didn't like chocolate.
 
2017-04-20 02:44:28 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Fark you, Bernie.  Fark you, BernieBros.  It was her turn.  Hillary would have beaten Trump.


img.fark.net
 
2017-04-20 02:44:47 PM  
Hey look, it's this asshole again.jpg.
 
2017-04-20 02:45:50 PM  
"...* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat...

..."If you run as a Democrat, you're a Democrat," Sanders said. "Some Democrats are progressive, and some Democrats are not.""

Lol Wut?
 
2017-04-20 02:45:51 PM  
He's yelling at clouds?

/he's earned that right
 
2017-04-20 02:45:58 PM  
Actually it sounds like a couple WAPO reporters repeating gossip more than anything.
 
2017-04-20 02:46:12 PM  

qorkfiend: Also, if he was truly interested in "fighting back", don't you think he'd have a passing familiarity with the Democratic candidate in a high-profile Congressional race? I guess mayor of Omaha is more important...


Knows where Aleppo is, doesn't know the current candidates in the party he barged into the primary of late in the game.

Independent?  Socialist?  Let's face it, if he was in Massachusetts he'd be running with an R by his name like Romney did.  And the bros would claim it was "Smart politics" like not paying taxes is "Smart business".
 
2017-04-20 02:46:29 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: You lost because the majority of people don't like being forced to pay for shiat others didn't work for. Get over it.


Those pint-sized Socialists with their schools! Firefighters! SNOOOOW PLOOOOWS!

/Harrumph
 
2017-04-20 02:47:01 PM  

Serious Black: Chris Ween: I don't know man.  If you can't even beat Hillary Clinton then how are you supposed to win the general? I mean, even Donald Farking Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

By relying on votes from self-identified independent voters? Several contemporaneous polls showed he was ludicrously popular with them while Hillary was less popular than Nickelback among them.


They're still having problems understanding that the popular vote doesn't count for dick in the general election, so this whole primary versus general electability thing and how independents come into play in the general is probably still beyond them. Maybe they'll learn by 2020.
 
2017-04-20 02:47:21 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: qorkfiend: Also, if he was truly interested in "fighting back", don't you think he'd have a passing familiarity with the Democratic candidate in a high-profile Congressional race? I guess mayor of Omaha is more important...

Knows where Aleppo is, doesn't know the current candidates in the party he barged into the primary of late in the game.

Independent?  Socialist?  Let's face it, if he was in Massachusetts he'd be running with an R by his name like Romney did.  And the bros would claim it was "Smart politics" like not paying taxes is "Smart business".


Lolwut?
 
2017-04-20 02:47:26 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: "...* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat...

..."If you run as a Democrat, you're a Democrat," Sanders said. "Some Democrats are progressive, and some Democrats are not.""

Lol Wut?


No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

"If the Democratic Party is going to succeed - and I want to see it succeed - it's gonna have to open its door to independents," he continued. "There are probably more independents in this country than Democrats or Republicans. It's got to open its doors to working people and to young people, create a grassroots party. That's what we need."

Really not that hard to parse, dude.
 
2017-04-20 02:47:43 PM  
Remember back in 08 when Fark hated Hillary Clinton?
 
2017-04-20 02:47:56 PM  
I'll wait till the other 15 negative stories about Bernie come out from the Washington Post within the next few days before I decide whether or not they are onto something.
 
2017-04-20 02:48:38 PM  

qorkfiend: archnem: Oh FFS.  Bernie's supposed "strange comments":

* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat - True, he's a Socialist
* He repeated his line that President Trump "did not win the election; the Democrats lost the election" - This is also true, the Democrats should have beaten Trump easily

And then there's the "I don't know enough about Ossoff to really make a judgement." comment which people are losing their minds over.  Even though it's completely innocuous and true.

The Hillary loyalists love to talk about party unity, but god damn, they've sure got some long knives and a taste for revenge.  And for some damned reason, they blame Bernie for their own incompetence and tone-deafness.  Shrug.

Personally, I don't give the Democrats much chance of surviving the Trump administration.

It's strange because he's supposedly embarked on a "Come Together and Fight Back" tour with Tom Perez, and because he's the Democratic outreach chairman in the Senate. None of those comments suggest anything about "coming together" - one is, in fact, a direct attack on Clinton - or doing any outreach.

Also, if he was truly interested in "fighting back", don't you think he'd have a passing familiarity with the Democratic candidate in a high-profile Congressional race? I guess mayor of Omaha is more important...


the reality is that the DNC DCCC do not want and do not back Sanders types of candidates. This is why they sat out on backing the play in the midwest and decided to help out Ossf or whatever the hell his name is. Bernie is basically saying the guy the DNC and DCCC want to get elected in GA is just another 3rd way Dem and those people are killing the party. The fun in GA is over anyway. There is just no way in hell they are going to flip that seat in the general.

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US. He can atleast try to shape the morons agenda when they want to use him and this is exactly what he is doing.
 
2017-04-20 02:49:59 PM  

archnem: ArkPanda: If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.

So a reporter asks him about Ossoff....and he just sits there?  That's your media coaching?  Or he should lie and possibly have it backfire?  Face it, no matter what Bernie said about anything, people would complain.  He could say that vanilla ice cream is awesome and Democrats would biatch that he was a racist because he didn't like chocolate.


Right. Asking Sanders, a member of the Democratic Senate leadership, to have a passing familiarity with one of a very small handful of Democratic candidates running for national office right now is simply waaaay too much.
 
2017-04-20 02:50:48 PM  

archnem: ArkPanda: If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.

So a reporter asks him about Ossoff....and he just sits there?  That's your media coaching?  Or he should lie and possibly have it backfire?  Face it, no matter what Bernie said about anything, people would complain.  He could say that vanilla ice cream is awesome and Democrats would biatch that he was a racist because he didn't like chocolate.


So instead he responds with "I don't know the guy, but I'm going to assume he's a DINO who doesn't deserve my support."
 
2017-04-20 02:51:13 PM  

nekom: Is anyone even remotely familiar with the man startled by any of this?  This is Bernie being Bernie.


Yep.  He's just giving Ossoff the Tim Conova treatment.  If Ossoff wins, "Look at what MY movement is responsible for!!".  If he loses "Who?  Oh, he wasn't really a progressive.  Besides,  it's the Dems fault."   Watch, he'll do the same thing with Mello.

/The Bernie can never fail, he can only be failed.
 
2017-04-20 02:51:37 PM  

qorkfiend: archnem: ArkPanda: If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.

So a reporter asks him about Ossoff....and he just sits there?  That's your media coaching?  Or he should lie and possibly have it backfire?  Face it, no matter what Bernie said about anything, people would complain.  He could say that vanilla ice cream is awesome and Democrats would biatch that he was a racist because he didn't like chocolate.

Right. Asking Sanders, a member of the Democratic Senate leadership, to have a passing familiarity with one of a very small handful of Democratic candidates running for national office right now is simply waaaay too much.


Or perhaps in an arch-conservative district an endorsement from Sanders might not be a good thing.
 
2017-04-20 02:52:17 PM  

ArkPanda: archnem: ArkPanda: If he doesn't know much about Ossoff maybe he should shut his pie hole.

So a reporter asks him about Ossoff....and he just sits there?  That's your media coaching?  Or he should lie and possibly have it backfire?  Face it, no matter what Bernie said about anything, people would complain.  He could say that vanilla ice cream is awesome and Democrats would biatch that he was a racist because he didn't like chocolate.

So instead he responds with "I don't know the guy, but I'm going to assume he's a DINO who doesn't deserve my support."


Where did he say that?
 
2017-04-20 02:53:00 PM  
and actually gotten media time

Seriously?
 
2017-04-20 02:53:00 PM  

whidbey: All2morrowsparTs: "...* He said that he still isn't actually a Democrat...

..."If you run as a Democrat, you're a Democrat," Sanders said. "Some Democrats are progressive, and some Democrats are not.""

Lol Wut?

No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

"If the Democratic Party is going to succeed - and I want to see it succeed - it's gonna have to open its door to independents," he continued. "There are probably more independents in this country than Democrats or Republicans. It's got to open its doors to working people and to young people, create a grassroots party. That's what we need."

Really not that hard to parse, dude.


You do realize that you didn't fix the contradiction.
 
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