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(Some Guy)   Not content with giving Rex Ryan the boot, the Pegulas have now fired both the GM and Coach of their other team   ( wgr550.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 11:59:44 PM  
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Pretty much all you need to know about the clusterfark that is the Sabres.

They need a Shannahan/Yzerman type guy between Pegula's cash and the day to day ops.. Bills would probably do well to do pretty much the same thing too.

/that and burn an effigy of Scott Norwood before every game until they are back to the Super Bowl.
 
2017-04-21 04:25:20 AM  

sno man: [img.fark.net image 500x889]
Pretty much all you need to know about the clusterfark that is the Sabres.

They need a Shannahan/Yzerman type guy between Pegula's cash and the day to day ops.. Bills would probably do well to do pretty much the same thing too.

/that and burn an effigy of Scott Norwood before every game until they are back to the Super Bowl.


Here is the thing. Forever we have had a hard time getting free agents to come to this city to play due to a somewhat unfair reputation. So we were able to finally draft a superstar despite the fact that we got screwed out of the first pick twice by an asinine lottery system. (Somehow Toronto finished dead last one time and magicly they win the lottery)

Tim Murray traded says a decent defenseman for a UFA that was injured. That alone  should get him fired as he failed to find any defensive support. Plus he traded a 1st for A goalie that literally had a 0 save percentage in the shoutout. Dan was not an effective coach and it wasn't working

Not to mention the situation in the NFL where the patriots are just taking all the best players including our best cornerback and will likely be stealing our good backup running back via RFA tenders.   I and other would be die hard bills fans have very little Interest in watching this season. Which brings me back to the Sabres

Given the whole situation and history of our best ayers leaving. If they let Eichel leave during or even before he hits his prime to go to another team then there will be riots in the streets.

So yes if jack wants the coach gone then fire the farking coach
 
2017-04-21 06:41:45 AM  

sno man: They need a Shannahan/Yzerman type guy between Pegula's cash and the day to day ops.. Bills would probably do well to do pretty much the same thing too.


Funny this is, that is exactly the management structure the Pegulas tried to implement after firing Darcy Regier (the previous GM).

They brought in Pat Lafontaine to be Team President and run the hockey department.  It was Lafontaine who was responsible for hiring Tim Murray.  And them Murray hired his coaching and scouting staffs,

That was the way it was supposed to work.  But then Lafontaine abruptly quit, for reasons that are still mysterious.  The best guess is that there was a power struggle between him and Murray over who got final say in personnel decisions, that came to a head when Ryan Miller was traded.  Lafontaine didn't want to trade Miller, and it happened anyway.  Lafontaine's resignation happened the day after the Miller trade.

Anyway, Lafontaine was never really replaced.  Currently, Russ Brandon occupies the title of Team President, but he's a football guy (or more accurately, a business guy) brought over from the Bills to run business operations.  He's not capable of running a hockey department or making any decisions regarding hockey.

The Sabres need another Lafontaine-type in that position.

As for GM and coach, I'd love to see Jason Botterrill as GM, and Phil Housley back as coach.  Housley would be perfect - aside from already being a Buffalo hockey legend, he has built a very solid and successful reputation as a coach of young players, given his work with the US Junior team.
 
2017-04-21 07:47:07 AM  
Dan Bylsma was GREAT with the penguins and I'm still annoyed they canned him.  (And his successor was horrifically awful.)

But he didn't do a whole lot for Buffalo.  But their awfulness is pretty systemic up and down the organization, and a mere coach can't really fix that.
 
2017-04-21 08:27:08 AM  

Warlordtrooper: So yes if jack wants the coach gone then fire the farking coach


That's no way to run a team. Without the corporate culture change that they "tried" to do and actually sticking to the plan, the Sabres will still be in the weeds. With or without Eichel.
 
2017-04-21 10:03:07 AM  
Bylsma seemed to be an aloof, annoyed, arrogant prick when anyone questioned his methods. It's interesting because his inability to hold himself accountable in the media seem to resonated with his inability to d himself accountable to the Pegulas. As far as Murray, he never provided the organization with enough depth to make both teams in the organization deep enough to win. That's pretty simple. Neither did their jobs
 
2017-04-21 10:54:04 AM  
Hopefully the Ilitchs read this.
 
2017-04-21 12:06:14 PM  
I think Murray's downfall was his inaction this season.

This was supposed to be the season the Sabres took another step forward (81 pts last season) and contended for a playoff spot.

But when things started going sideways this season, Murray did nothing.  Eichel and Kane went down with serious injuries at the start of the season, and Murray took a wait-and-see approach.  Kulikov gets injured early in the season, and is hobbled when he finally came back, and still nothing.  Murray just tried to fill in with journeymen/prospects like Falk and Fedun.  It was obvious by Christmas that the defense was the Achilles' heel of this team, and he did nothing.  The trade deadline came along with the Sabres still in striking distance of a playoff spot, and Murray sat on his hands.

The complete inaction this season in the face of obvious roster problems had to infuriate ownership.

There were other things too:  Murray was aggressive making deals.  That's not totally bad.  The Ryan O'Reilly deal worked out great, and even the Myers-Kane trade was fine - if Kane keeps playing like he did this season, there's no problems with that trade.  But the Pysyk-Kulikov trade bombed (though to be fair, partly because of Kulikov's injury, though I still would have rather kept Pysyk).  And he was too free in giving away draft picks and prospects to try to accelerate the rebuild.  A first for Lehner, compensatory picks to Pittsburgh just for the right to talk to Bylsma, Compher gone, Lemieux gone, Armia gone, Zadorov gone.

The Sabres went from having one of the deepest prospect pools and stockpiles of picks to a rather mediocre one.  Outside of Nylander, Guhle, Bailey, and Baptiste (and maybe Fasching) there's not a whole lot coming down the pipe.  Particularly on defense (where Guhle is the only solid prospect), which is concerning.

The next GM will have to shore up the defense as one of his top priorities after picking a coach.
 
2017-04-21 12:32:51 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I think Murray's downfall was his inaction this season.

This was supposed to be the season the Sabres took another step forward (81 pts last season) and contended for a playoff spot.

But when things started going sideways this season, Murray did nothing.  Eichel and Kane went down with serious injuries at the start of the season, and Murray took a wait-and-see approach.  Kulikov gets injured early in the season, and is hobbled when he finally came back, and still nothing.  Murray just tried to fill in with journeymen/prospects like Falk and Fedun.  It was obvious by Christmas that the defense was the Achilles' heel of this team, and he did nothing.  The trade deadline came along with the Sabres still in striking distance of a playoff spot, and Murray sat on his hands.

The complete inaction this season in the face of obvious roster problems had to infuriate ownership.

There were other things too:  Murray was aggressive making deals.  That's not totally bad.  The Ryan O'Reilly deal worked out great, and even the Myers-Kane trade was fine - if Kane keeps playing like he did this season, there's no problems with that trade.  But the Pysyk-Kulikov trade bombed (though to be fair, partly because of Kulikov's injury, though I still would have rather kept Pysyk).  And he was too free in giving away draft picks and prospects to try to accelerate the rebuild.  A first for Lehner, compensatory picks to Pittsburgh just for the right to talk to Bylsma, Compher gone, Lemieux gone, Armia gone, Zadorov gone.

The Sabres went from having one of the deepest prospect pools and stockpiles of picks to a rather mediocre one.  Outside of Nylander, Guhle, Bailey, and Baptiste (and maybe Fasching) there's not a whole lot coming down the pipe.  Particularly on defense (where Guhle is the only solid prospect), which is concerning.

The next GM will have to shore up the defense as one of his top priorities after picking a coach.


Murray hasn't cared about Rochester since he got to Buffalo. He had nothing to plug holes with so he couldn't do anything. He created his own cap and contract issues as well as trading away decent players for head cases and individuals. (Kane could score 50, but if he doesn't want to work like the rest of the team, he's not part of the solution). Lehner isn't a #1 goalie until he can control his body, his temper, and the puck in a shootout. Murray made a lot of poor character choices.
 
2017-04-21 03:22:32 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Here is the thing. Forever we have had a hard time getting free agents to come to this city to play due to a somewhat unfair reputation. So we were able to finally draft a superstar despite the fact that we got screwed out of the first pick twice by an asinine lottery system. (Somehow Toronto finished dead last one time and magicly they win the lottery)


Tough to be upset with Eichel as a consolation prize, but that was the worst lottery loss of all time considering who was #1.

Sabres farked up the Kane trade too. I can't imagine you guys like him? I'm a Jets fan, and am thankful every day he's long gone. Locker room cancer and off-ice issues are one thing, but his ridiculous move of skating up the boards as far as he can go and then taking a horrible angle shot made me angry every time he tried it.

We picked up a lot of great pieces from you guys in that deal, despite Myers being a trainwreck when it comes to staying healthy. Stafford was serviceable up to this year, and we got a draft pick for him. Joel Armia has the potential to be a legit top 6 forward in the near future. Jack Roslovic seems to be exciting, and it's kinda nice to have the son of Claude Lemieux (Brendan) in the org.

Definitely worth it from our point of view.
 
2017-04-21 07:09:32 PM  

homarjr: Warlordtrooper: Here is the thing. Forever we have had a hard time getting free agents to come to this city to play due to a somewhat unfair reputation. So we were able to finally draft a superstar despite the fact that we got screwed out of the first pick twice by an asinine lottery system. (Somehow Toronto finished dead last one time and magicly they win the lottery)

Tough to be upset with Eichel as a consolation prize, but that was the worst lottery loss of all time considering who was #1.

Sabres farked up the Kane trade too. I can't imagine you guys like him? I'm a Jets fan, and am thankful every day he's long gone. Locker room cancer and off-ice issues are one thing, but his ridiculous move of skating up the boards as far as he can go and then taking a horrible angle shot made me angry every time he tried it.

We picked up a lot of great pieces from you guys in that deal, despite Myers being a trainwreck when it comes to staying healthy. Stafford was serviceable up to this year, and we got a draft pick for him. Joel Armia has the potential to be a legit top 6 forward in the near future. Jack Roslovic seems to be exciting, and it's kinda nice to have the son of Claude Lemieux (Brendan) in the org.

Definitely worth it from our point of view.


Kane actually started doing really well the last half of season. He was injured early in year but he is a total moron off the ice
 
2017-04-21 08:00:25 PM  
Yeah, Kane had a very good year. Good production on the ice, and kept his mouth shut off the ice.

No problems with that trade at the moment. Trading Pysyk for Kulikov and trading a 1st for Lehner have been bigger problems for this organization.
 
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