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2017-04-20 12:42:13 PM  
Sample of TFA Comment Derp:

Why does the horizon always appear flat? Why does the horizon always rise to eye level regardless of altitude gained by the observer? How is it that the earth is supposedly 25,000 miles in circumference and 70% water yet the horizon always appears flat and there is no measurable curve when standing on the shore of the great lakes or the oceans? How is it that "gravity" is so powerful that it's able to hold buildings and people and water and cars to the bottom of a ball, yet weak enough to allow birds and tiny insects to fly? Why has no one ever circum-navigated the "globe"north to south over the "poles"?

That is some industrial-grade Drano-drinking Derp.
 
2017-04-20 12:49:06 PM  
That Jackie guy is trying so hard, I sort of feel bad for him, but it's hopeless.  If somebody has it in their head that they want to believe that something is true regardless of the facts there's nothing you can do but throw your hands up.
 
2017-04-20 12:58:30 PM  
Flat earthers. These people are mentally ill.
 
2017-04-20 01:16:13 PM  
I like the one that had a relative of his that was a conceptual artist used by NASA to create images of a round Earth that are published.
 
2017-04-20 01:28:21 PM  
We saw this effect on Easter evening along the lake by Union Pier.

Lake Michigan sunsets are incredible.
 
2017-04-20 01:53:25 PM  

naughtyrev: Flat earthers. These people are mentally ill.


Pretty sure most of 'em are actually 4chan trolls. There's a whole bunch doing lulzy "flat earth", "fake moon landings", "ISS videos are fake" stuff to try to convince others that they're real.
 
2017-04-20 02:02:16 PM  

TommyDeuce: Why has no one ever circum-navigated the "globe"north to south over the "poles"?


Wait, is he saying the Earth isn't round, but it isn't flat either? So it's like a torus?
 
2017-04-20 02:02:59 PM  
You see this mirage often in Antarctica.
 
2017-04-20 02:03:38 PM  
Re 'flat earth' - It's morans - all the way down.

/no turtles were harmed in the posting of this comment
 
2017-04-20 02:08:47 PM  
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2017-04-20 02:09:47 PM  

naughtyrev: Flat earthers. These people are mentally ill.


And they vote.
 
2017-04-20 02:10:16 PM  
Oh Subby, how could someone possibly derp an article about mirages?
-opens article-
-reads comments-
-closes page-
Mother of God
 
2017-04-20 02:11:24 PM  

naughtyrev: Flat earthers. These people are mentally ill.


They've recently taken it a step further...not only is the Earth flat, but trees don't exist.
 
2017-04-20 02:12:05 PM  

Ishkur: TommyDeuce: Why has no one ever circum-navigated the "globe"north to south over the "poles"?

Wait, is he saying the Earth isn't round, but it isn't flat either? So it's like a torus?


Those are evil, despicable people; purposely spreading disinformation.
 
2017-04-20 02:14:08 PM  
Goddamn, it's time cube time.
 
2017-04-20 02:15:45 PM  

PlaidJaguar: [cdn.meme.am image 390x242]

\why did I do that?


Ghosterly browser protects my sanity from the curiosity of wanting to look at the comments.

/not much left to protect, but still it's doibg an admirable job
 
2017-04-20 02:16:40 PM  

meat0918: Ishkur: TommyDeuce: Why has no one ever circum-navigated the "globe"north to south over the "poles"?

Wait, is he saying the Earth isn't round, but it isn't flat either? So it's like a torus?

Those are evil, despicable people; purposely spreading disinformation.


But enough about the politics tab.
 
2017-04-20 02:23:22 PM  
I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.
 
2017-04-20 02:24:30 PM  
You globe jobs really need to get your stuff together.

This is my favourite insult EVAR.

I am will be using it IRL.
 
2017-04-20 02:27:25 PM  
When the Libertarian nutjob, calls you a nutjob, its time to let it go son.
you are a nutjob
 
2017-04-20 02:27:43 PM  

EddieMoscone: I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.


We'll just put them on the "B" ark when we have to flee the planet.
 
2017-04-20 02:29:36 PM  
I think most of the DERP is tongue in cheek snarkiness.  But, I'm pretty sure that a couple genuine Flat Earthers are a part of that mess.  That's as rare of a sighting as the phenomena from the article.
 
2017-04-20 02:30:26 PM  

PlaidJaguar: EddieMoscone: I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.

We'll just put them on the "B" ark when we have to flee the planet.


Sorry, I couldn't hear you. I was in the bath.
 
2017-04-20 02:36:46 PM  

Earl Green: I think most of the DERP is tongue in cheek snarkiness.  But, I'm pretty sure that a couple genuine Flat Earthers are a part of that mess.  That's as rare of a sighting as the phenomena from the article.


Well, if you think about it....

When the carnival comes to town and little joey rides on the whirlagig machine, it spins around and he moves away from the middle of the machine because of them thar cent-tar-fugue-al forces.  If the Earf is really a spinnin ball like all them phony scientists say, they we woulda all been flung off into space the way little joey was flung off the whirlagig that time he didn't buckle his strap.

Chex-mix, labradoodles.
 
2017-04-20 02:37:07 PM  
We had a flat earther on Fark for a while.

I think she got run off though.
 
2017-04-20 02:39:03 PM  

TommyDeuce: yet the horizon always appears flat and there is no measurable curve when standing on the shore


That is actually an interesting point, why does the horizon appear as a straight line and not an arc?

Apparently you have to be above 35,000 feet to see enough horizon.

Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth David K. Lynch Thule Scientific (PDF)
Visual daytime observations show that the minimum altitude at which curvature of the horizon can be detected is at or slightly below 35,000 ft, providing that the field of view is wide (60°) and nearly cloud free. The high-elevation horizon is almost as sharp as the sea-level horizon, but its contrast is less than 10% that of the sea-level horizon. Photographs purporting to show the curvature of the Earth are always suspect because virtually all camera lenses project an image that suffers from barrel distortion. To accurately assess curvature from a photograph, the horizon must be placed precisely in the center of the image, i.e., on the optical axis.
 
2017-04-20 02:39:45 PM  

meat0918: We had a flat earther on Fark for a while.

I think she got run off though fell off the edge.


FTFY
 
2017-04-20 02:41:21 PM  

PlaidJaguar: EddieMoscone: I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.

We'll just put them on the "B" ark when we have to flee the planet.


A bark, you say?
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2017-04-20 02:44:21 PM  
The Flat Earth Hypothesis was (as far as I know) first used by joking scientists who wanted to play with logical arguments and critical thinking. In other words, it was a joke.

I'm not sure when (or even if - at this point) it became serious. I'm not sure when people hopped on and said, "Hey, it was said by a scientist." As a scientist, albeit retired, I'm thinking this says a bit more than I want to type out, right now. We did say, "Listen to us, we're the experts." I'm not sure who to blame, really. I'm damned sure someone's at fault.

That said...

If one looks at Hawking Radiation and infers Information Theory, there are those (probably insane) people who postulate we're living in a hologram, or sorts. If this were true, and I'm not suggesting it is, then it'd also stand to reason that depth is as relative as time. This would mean that the Earth was truly flat and that we simply perceive it as having depth.

Obviously, I am skeptical and have as much reason to believe that we're living in a hologram as I have to believe in a deity. They are both improbable and, potentially, untestable.
 
2017-04-20 02:48:25 PM  

Theaetetus: naughtyrev: Flat earthers. These people are mentally ill.

Pretty sure most of 'em are actually 4chan trolls. There's a whole bunch doing lulzy "flat earth", "fake moon landings", "ISS videos are fake" stuff to try to convince others that they're real.


You say that but Trump got 60 million votes, so I'm inclined to believe that many people really are that stupid.
 
2017-04-20 02:49:55 PM  

PlaidJaguar: EddieMoscone: I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.

We'll just put them on the "B" ark when we have to flee the planet.


along with the hairdressers and phone sanitizers.
 
2017-04-20 02:56:17 PM  
Flat earthers.....for when you want your insane conspiracy theory to not only make no sense but also have no discernable motive for existing.
 
2017-04-20 02:59:19 PM  

Ishkur: TommyDeuce: Why has no one ever circum-navigated the "globe"north to south over the "poles"?

Wait, is he saying the Earth isn't round, but it isn't flat either? So it's like a torus?


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2017-04-20 03:01:36 PM  

jaytkay: TommyDeuce: yet the horizon always appears flat and there is no measurable curve when standing on the shore

That is actually an interesting point, why does the horizon appear as a straight line and not an arc?

Apparently you have to be above 35,000 feet to see enough horizon.


So just a little higher then airliners usually go - they're limiting their altitude as a part of the conspiracy!!!
 
2017-04-20 03:05:49 PM  

UnspokenVoice: The Flat Earth Hypothesis was (as far as I know) first used by joking scientists who wanted to play with logical arguments and critical thinking. In other words, it was a joke.


Our IceCube experiment used the entire round planet to filter for solar Neutrinos.  Since the earth is 2 dimensional, it obviously did not filter anything.  This proves that the whole neutrino thing is ridiculous pseudo-science, attempting to support the round earth people.  Further, we used satellites for positioning and communication, which also was faked. I can't believe how big this conspiracy is.  It would take the Air Force, Navy, multiple large corporations, 13 governments, dozens of universities, and thousands of people to trick me.   But they totally tried to trick me.  Art Bell says I was being attacked by Aliens, too.  That is why we needed salt down there (and not because some idiot forgot to order salt).  So we must have been attacked and lost.  This is probably now all a hallucination in a hologram hovering above a flat planet in the middle of a big conspiracy.

Fark me.
It has to be 4chan trolls pretending the earth is flat.
 
2017-04-20 03:07:50 PM  
Flat Earthers. A step just above Creationists.
 
2017-04-20 03:09:54 PM  
Subby, here.  I live in the town where the photo was taken and initially looked at the article because I was bummed that I missed the view, then wondered why it had so many comments, and oh lawd...

And to answer one of the comments about "Are you 120 feet tall?" due to the elevation needed to see that far, Stevensville, along with most of SW Michigan, is on a bluff at least 100 feet above the lake, which I assume is where the picture was taken from (I've only ever seen the skyline from the bluff, never from the beach).

I was debating whether to go to the local March for Science on Saturday, but after reading the comments on that article I think it's become an obligation.
 
2017-04-20 03:11:35 PM  
"She's flat like your head!" - Bugs Bunny - "Hare We Go" - Christopher Columbus
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2017-04-20 03:23:18 PM  

Raoul Eaton: PlaidJaguar: EddieMoscone: I think we should crowd-source a mission to space for all flat earthers. They can all pile onto a spaceship, get just outside of earth's gravity so the can see the entirety of earth's shape.

Then the ship will just keep going, further and further away, until it runs out of fuel and oxygen.

We'll just put them on the "B" ark when we have to flee the planet.

A bark, you say?
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More barque images!!!

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2017-04-20 03:24:38 PM  

uttertosh: You globe jobs really need to get your stuff together.

This is my favourite insult EVAR.

I am will be using it IRL.


I have touched the sky...

TOS:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JEB7O1K1ZXI
 
2017-04-20 03:25:56 PM  

Fast Moon: Subby, here.  I live in the town where the photo was taken and initially looked at the article because I was bummed that I missed the view, then wondered why it had so many comments, and oh lawd...

And to answer one of the comments about "Are you 120 feet tall?" due to the elevation needed to see that far, Stevensville, along with most of SW Michigan, is on a bluff at least 100 feet above the lake, which I assume is where the picture was taken from (I've only ever seen the skyline from the bluff, never from the beach).

I was debating whether to go to the local March for Science on Saturday, but after reading the comments on that article I think it's become an obligation.


I checked, the nearest one is in K-zoo? There's a chance I might be there for something else, if I am I'll jump in.
 
2017-04-20 03:29:03 PM  
How is it that "gravity" is so powerful that it's able to hold buildings and people and water and cars to the bottom of a ball, yet weak enough to allow birds and tiny insects to fly?

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-04-20 03:29:53 PM  

aungen: UnspokenVoice: The Flat Earth Hypothesis was (as far as I know) first used by joking scientists who wanted to play with logical arguments and critical thinking. In other words, it was a joke.

Our IceCube experiment used the entire round planet to filter for solar Neutrinos.  Since the earth is 2 dimensional, it obviously did not filter anything.  This proves that the whole neutrino thing is ridiculous pseudo-science, attempting to support the round earth people.  Further, we used satellites for positioning and communication, which also was faked. I can't believe how big this conspiracy is.  It would take the Air Force, Navy, multiple large corporations, 13 governments, dozens of universities, and thousands of people to trick me.   But they totally tried to trick me.  Art Bell says I was being attacked by Aliens, too.  That is why we needed salt down there (and not because some idiot forgot to order salt).  So we must have been attacked and lost.  This is probably now all a hallucination in a hologram hovering above a flat planet in the middle of a big conspiracy.

Fark me.
It has to be 4chan trolls pretending the earth is flat.


Yeah, I have no idea how it has reached this point. There was, once, just the Flat Earth Society and they were a joke. It was done as an actual effort to use something absurd, that could not be true, and to work on critical thinking.

I can't even be sure of who believes what. I can no longer tell if it is meant as amusement or if people take it seriously.
 
2017-04-20 03:45:51 PM  
UnspokenVoice:
I can't even be sure of who believes what. I can no longer tell if it is meant as amusement or if people take it seriously.

And thus, we have Poe's Law.
 
2017-04-20 03:46:12 PM  

ytterbium: Fast Moon: Subby, here.  I live in the town where the photo was taken and initially looked at the article because I was bummed that I missed the view, then wondered why it had so many comments, and oh lawd...

And to answer one of the comments about "Are you 120 feet tall?" due to the elevation needed to see that far, Stevensville, along with most of SW Michigan, is on a bluff at least 100 feet above the lake, which I assume is where the picture was taken from (I've only ever seen the skyline from the bluff, never from the beach).

I was debating whether to go to the local March for Science on Saturday, but after reading the comments on that article I think it's become an obligation.

I checked, the nearest one is in K-zoo? There's a chance I might be there for something else, if I am I'll jump in.


Yeah, I was eyeing the Kalamazoo one.  It's at WMU, though, so parking would be an issue.  I tend to go over to Kalamazoo for the bike trails, anyway, so I'd probably just park somewhere else and bike over.
 
2017-04-20 04:04:12 PM  

Fast Moon: Subby, here.  I live in the town where the photo was taken and initially looked at the article because I was bummed that I missed the view, then wondered why it had so many comments, and oh lawd...

And to answer one of the comments about "Are you 120 feet tall?" due to the elevation needed to see that far, Stevensville, along with most of SW Michigan, is on a bluff at least 100 feet above the lake, which I assume is where the picture was taken from (I've only ever seen the skyline from the bluff, never from the beach).

I was debating whether to go to the local March for Science on Saturday, but after reading the comments on that article I think it's become an obligation.


Good luck.

The pseudosciences are showing up to them to "make people more woke".
 
2017-04-20 04:10:24 PM  
....this is why I hate people....
 
2017-04-20 04:15:04 PM  
We don't deserve to be an intelligent species.
 
2017-04-20 04:23:48 PM  
Trolling is a art
 
2017-04-20 04:42:50 PM  

Weidbrewer: UnspokenVoice:
I can't even be sure of who believes what. I can no longer tell if it is meant as amusement or if people take it seriously.

And thus, we have Poe's Law.


It gets confusing, sometimes. It gets even more confusing when it's a subject for which I am qualified to hold an opinion. I'd imagine it would get less confusing, but the opposite appears to be true. I don't know if they're stupid, or willfully ignorant.
 
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