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(Politico)   Gee, Paul, what are we going to do today? The same thing we do every day, Mitch: TRY TO REPEAL OBAMACARE   ( politico.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 10:34:07 AM  
NARF!
 
2017-04-20 10:43:33 AM  
Eee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee. TROZ!
 
2017-04-20 10:48:46 AM  
You mean Ron?
 
2017-04-20 10:53:09 AM  
Oh, and seriously, this idea of allowing states to stop enforcing community rating of health insurance premiums is a disaster waiting to happen. It'll force companies to sell actuarially unsound plans, and they will go bankrupt doing so.
 
2017-04-20 10:59:39 AM  
Never discount the possibility for evil people to reach an accord...an Axis, if you will.

The main feature of Ryan's plan is the defunding of Medicaid.  Which makes it easier to cut taxes on the wealthy.

The idea that the GOP will not pursue this is wishul thinking.
 
2017-04-20 11:00:57 AM  

Serious Black: Oh, and seriously, this idea of allowing states to stop enforcing community rating of health insurance premiums is a disaster waiting to happen. It'll force companies to sell actuarially unsound plans, and they will go bankrupt doing so.


But bankruptcy makes you a good businessman in trumplandia
 
2017-04-20 11:06:55 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-20 11:07:55 AM  

wejash: Never discount the possibility for evil people to reach an accord...an Axis, if you will.

The main feature of Ryan's plan is the defunding of Medicaid.  Which makes it easier to cut taxes on the wealthy.

The idea that the GOP will not pursue this is wishul thinking.


The Senate will never allow it, as they have whole states to think of and not just their own district and Lord Bannon will not be able to dissolve the Senate just yet.
 
2017-04-20 11:21:35 AM  
Ryan's going to be so disappointed to learn the Washington GNC store won't honor the "Vote to Repeal Obamacare 100 Times, Get a Free Bucket of Tricep Blaster 6000 Ultra Protein Shake Mix" punch card anymore.
 
2017-04-20 11:35:01 AM  
Why does Paul Ryan hate Americans so much?
 
2017-04-20 11:43:49 AM  
FTA:  Both are provisions that the GOP's ultraconservatives have pushed to eliminate as part of the repeal effort, contending that these coverage mandates drive up the cost of insurance.

No shiat they do.

There's NO WAY to provide coverage for people with pre-existing conditions that doesn't raise the cost - because people with pre-existing conditions use a lot more health care.

So either we spread the cost out over just a few people:  "hey, I see you got cancer, enjoy the medical bankruptcy, asshole!"   Or we spread it out over everyone to better minimize the impact of the cost increase, while leaving many more people protected in the event of a developed condition.

But you know, freedoms and liberty, and stuff, I guess.
 
2017-04-20 11:47:06 AM  
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2017-04-20 11:50:47 AM  
Does that make Paul Ryan the genius in the situation?
 
2017-04-20 11:53:22 AM  
Affordable Care Act went into law in 2010, "Repeal and Replace" has been a GOP theme ever since.  But to date, we still have yet to see an actual specific complete GOP replacement plan proposed.

Republicans are a farking joke.  And they run the country.  Our country is a farking joke.
 
2017-04-20 11:53:34 AM  
It does add a new vibe to the quotes, doesn't it?
"Mitch, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
- "I think so, Paul, but burlap chafes me so."
- "I think so, Paul, but me and Pippy Longstocking - what would the children look like?"
- "I think so, Paul, but where will we find an open tattoo parlor this time of night?"

/ If I don't keep laughing, I'm going to lose my mind
// I will not let these pieces of shiat will win
/// May we all live through this shiatshow
 
2017-04-20 11:56:29 AM  

iheartscotch: Does that make Paul Ryan the genius in the situation?


It makes them both rodents, at least.
 
2017-04-20 11:56:48 AM  

Magorn: The Senate will never allow it, as they have whole states to think of and not just their own district and Lord Bannon will not be able to dissolve the Senate just yet.


Lol. Yeah, the Republican senate us gonna stand up for poor people instead of tax cuts. They'll just John McCain it. They'll stamp their feet and protest it while it's in the house, then turn around and pass it first chance they get.
 
2017-04-20 11:57:32 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ryan's going to be so disappointed to learn the Washington GNC store won't honor the "Vote to Repeal Obamacare 100 Times, Get a Free Bucket of Tricep Blaster 6000 Ultra Protein Shake Mix" punch card anymore.


His "Skip Leg Day 1000 Times, Get a Free Cut Off T-Shirt" card is still valid right?
 
2017-04-20 11:57:57 AM  
This "plan" sounds an awful lot like "let red states screw their residents even harder".
 
2017-04-20 11:58:37 AM  
They're turtle, they're turtle and the "bra-ai-ai-ai-ain"
 
2017-04-20 11:58:47 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why does Paul Ryan hate Americans so much?


I don't think it's hatred as much as it's contempt. Not that contempt is really any better.
 
2017-04-20 12:00:44 PM  
Poll out today from PPP finds nationwide approval of Obamacare the highest it's ever been since the law was passed
 
2017-04-20 12:01:39 PM  
LOL, subby

68.media.tumblr.com
 
2017-04-20 12:01:48 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Poll out today from PPP finds nationwide approval of Obamacare the highest it's ever been since the law was passed


That's why the Republicans are so desperate to destroy it.
 
2017-04-20 12:02:07 PM  
Just f-up health insurance so bad we'll have no choice but for single payer, douchebags.

/TIred of this nonstop wealth redistribution to the wealthy bullshiat.
 
2017-04-20 12:03:07 PM  
The GOP is a cargo cult at this point. They're setting up effigies and they don't remember why.
 
2017-04-20 12:03:15 PM  

Serious Black: Oh, and seriously, this idea of allowing states to stop enforcing community rating of health insurance premiums is a disaster waiting to happen. It'll force companies to sell actuarially unsound plans, and they will go bankrupt doing so.


To be fair, the states that have opted out of Medicare expansion are screwing themselves already. Allowing those same states to opt out of the whole package actually makes sense in a small way. More importantly they can no longer complain that Obamacare has destroyed these States. We can finally have a level playing field to compare Obamacare with non Obama care.
 
2017-04-20 12:03:17 PM  
It's interesting to watch the self-destruction of a political party in real time.
 
2017-04-20 12:04:17 PM  

Trivia Jockey: It's interesting to watch the self-destruction of a political party in real time.


I wish
 
2017-04-20 12:04:25 PM  
Here's your reminder of the evil this is:

For every 176 people that get health insurance, a life is saved annually.

25 million people will lose insurance if they do the GOP repeal and replace nonsense.

That is well over 100,000 additional deaths every year because these craven monsters won't accept that its the Dems who passed a Republican plan for healthcare.
 
2017-04-20 12:04:25 PM  
States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.
 
2017-04-20 12:06:02 PM  

kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?


The answer is easy: high-risk pools don't work.
 
2017-04-20 12:06:23 PM  
"...offering concessions meant to win over the party's moderate and conservative wings."

Which makes me wonder...were there any in the party that actually supported this thing in the first place?
 
2017-04-20 12:06:51 PM  

kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.


Any pool will lower the risk, however marginally, so it would seem to lower costs relatively, but without additional rules/laws/$$$ it won't matter.  Moving it from grossly expensive to merely painfully expensive doesn't really help.
 
2017-04-20 12:06:54 PM  

kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.


Ding ding ding

"Fark over the high-risk pool" is indeed the objective
 
2017-04-20 12:08:10 PM  

weddingsinger: kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.

Any pool will lower the risk, however marginally, so it would seem to lower costs relatively, but without additional rules/laws/$$$ it won't matter.  Moving it from grossly expensive to merely painfully expensive doesn't really help.


How would grouping all high-risk people lower their costs relative to grouping everyone?
 
2017-04-20 12:08:18 PM  

weddingsinger: Here's your reminder of the evil this is:

For every 176 people that get health insurance, a life is saved annually.

25 million people will lose insurance if they do the GOP repeal and replace nonsense.

That is well over 100,000 additional deaths every year because these craven monsters won't accept that its the Dems who passed a Republican plan for healthcare.


But somewhere in that 100,000 is a libtrad that really got it stugg to em good.
 
2017-04-20 12:08:54 PM  
Maybe people will be motivated to vote next time around. But who am I kidding?
 
2017-04-20 12:09:25 PM  
Mitch are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking?
Well, I think so. But where are we going to find a 5 gallon bucket of Vaseline,  2 feather dusters and 6 pairs of thigh high leather boots on such short notice.
 
2017-04-20 12:10:45 PM  

I-K-Rumba: Mitch are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking?
Well, I think so. But where are we going to find a 5 gallon bucket of Vaseline,  2 feather dusters and 6 pairs of thigh high leather boots on such short notice.


Mike Pence's house.
 
2017-04-20 12:11:18 PM  
What has really changed since the last attempt? It didn't go through then because what the two republican factions wanted were apples and oranges, couldn't get one on board without pissing off the other.
 
2017-04-20 12:12:52 PM  
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
 
2017-04-20 12:17:04 PM  
Trump said he was going to wait for Obamacare to fail.  This is just part of making sure his prediction comes true,  it'll fail if he has to take a sledgehammer to it.
 
2017-04-20 12:17:15 PM  

Alebak: What has really changed since the last attempt? It didn't go through then because what the two republican factions wanted were apples and oranges, couldn't get one on board without pissing off the other.


I wonder the same thing. My guess is that this is a bluff, since the only thing to take away from the special elections is that safely gerrymandered GOP seats are no longer all that safe. Had those elections been more of a blowout for the GOP, I'd suspect that "moderate" GOPers would be more amenable to destroying the healthcare system because they'd see themselves as untouchable.

If there's anything behind this, my guess is that it's just an attempt to sell the same plan under a different name with a new coat of paint, and hope people are too exhausted to put up a fight. Like they did over and over again with SOPA / PIPA / CISPA / etc.
 
2017-04-20 12:18:49 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Poll out today from PPP finds nationwide approval of Obamacare the highest it's ever been since the law was passed


Well if Parker Posey's pussy says so then who am I to argue?
 
2017-04-20 12:19:14 PM  

Alebak: What has really changed since the last attempt? It didn't go through then because what the two republican factions wanted were apples and oranges, couldn't get one on board without pissing off the other.


That's a good question. Moderate Republicans thought the bill screwed over poor people too much and the HFC thought the bill didn't screw poor people hard enough. Short of an "insurance only for white people" bill, I don't see where the middle ground is.
 
2017-04-20 12:20:50 PM  
FTFATrump and some administration officials have threatened to cut off Obamacare cost-sharing subsidies - a decision that would wreak havoc on the Obamacare insurance exchanges - to get Democrats to the table on a replacement plan.

"If you guys won't help me destroy it completely, I'll make it slightly worse without your help!"
 
2017-04-20 12:21:05 PM  

kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.


And there's your answer.  The GOP is promising lower premiums for everyone, but that's clearly a lie, and most GOP voters are too stupid to realize that, in sticking it to the Mexicans and liberals and moose-lambs who are all using Obamacare, they're probably sticking it to themselves as well.  Leopard ate your face?  Sorry, that's a pre-existing condition.  Sit over there with the other high-risk pool losers on the Group SOL bench.
 
2017-04-20 12:22:55 PM  

max_pooper: Moderate Republicans thought


What did the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus think?
 
2017-04-20 12:24:26 PM  

moresugar: kidgenius: States opting out of the community rating rules would be forced to set up separate insurance pools, known as high-risk pools, where people priced out of the private market could purchase coverage.

So can someone explain this to me?

If you are priced out of the private market because you are high risk and cost the insurance company more, how does grouping your expensive medical care with a bunch of other people who also cost a lot to insure, do anything about lowering the premium to a point where you can afford it? Having your expensive care spread across more people would reduce your premiums because the burden is spread across more people. If you and a bunch of other expensive people are grouped together, wont that just make the "high risk pool" even more expensive? It would lower premiums for all those who arent in that pool, but sounds like anyone in that pool would be completely farked over.

And there's your answer.  The GOP is promising lower premiums for everyone, but that's clearly a lie, and most GOP voters are too stupid to realize that, in sticking it to the Mexicans and liberals and moose-lambs who are all using Obamacare, they're probably sticking it to themselves as well.  Leopard ate your face?  Sorry, that's a pre-existing condition.  Sit over there with the other high-risk pool losers on the Group SOL bench.


Oh, they'll keep the pre-existing conditions thing and the individual mandate. They'll just remove all controls that made it possible for people with pre-existing conditions to actually afford their premium or get a plan that covers what they need it to, and remove any subsidies that might help them pay for it.
 
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