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(Newsweek)   Because gun laws aren't lax enough and the average American's life in danger from loose firearm regulations, the NRA now wants to push forth on National Reciprocity   ( newsweek.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 07:36:23 AM  
STATE'S RIGHTS!!!!

*Except for guns, abortions, gay marriage and a bunch of other sh*t.

How about you keep your guns in your stupid state and keep it the f*ck out of mine? You can have open carry and bring your gun to work day and all that sh*t. Just keep it out of my state. We have enough retards here without you joining the party or letting someone from my state get an easy CCW from your state and using it here.

In short, get the fark outta here with that noise.
 
2017-04-20 07:44:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: STATE'S RIGHTS!!!!

*Except for guns, abortions, gay marriage and a bunch of other sh*t.

How about you keep your guns in your stupid state and keep it the f*ck out of mine? You can have open carry and bring your gun to work day and all that sh*t. Just keep it out of my state. We have enough retards here without you joining the party or letting someone from my state get an easy CCW from your state and using it here.

In short, get the fark outta here with that noise.


This.  If states want to engage in i
this voluntarily, go for it.  I'd expect small government conservatives to be outraged at this attempt of government overreach.

/who am I kidding
 
2017-04-20 08:18:17 AM  
How's your well regulated militia going?
 
2017-04-20 08:24:18 AM  
This is clearly allowed under the Interstate Kablammo Act of 1887.
 
2017-04-20 08:32:42 AM  
I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.
 
2017-04-20 08:38:00 AM  

RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.


Maybe because one state has regulations that are more lax and allow people to have guns that shouldn't? just a guess...

i'm with you, feeling like you need a gun at all times seems a bit absurd...
 
2017-04-20 08:58:16 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: How's your well regulated militia going?


Pretty good. We just had our bake sale which was a rousing success. We really killed it.
 
2017-04-20 08:59:36 AM  
Why not? As long as we can slap Federal regulations on who can purchase guns (meaning background checks, and no more gunshow or family sale loopholes), required and ongoing training, and some sort of insurance fee, sure. But that means ALLLLL the dipshiat states are going to have to haul all their dipshiats back in and get them federally trained, and review all gun owner backgrounds. Sure, why not?
 
2017-04-20 09:00:09 AM  

Frank N Stein: Tr0mBoNe: How's your well regulated militia going?

Pretty good. We just had our bake sale which was a rousing success. We really killed it.


Excellent news! How long to reload for the next one?
 
2017-04-20 09:00:17 AM  

Frank N Stein: Tr0mBoNe: How's your well regulated militia going?

Pretty good. We just had our bake sale which was a rousing success. We really killed it.


You blew those expectations away?
 
2017-04-20 09:01:16 AM  
If it's good enough for abortion and homosexual marriage, it should be good enough for the 2nd Amendment.
 
2017-04-20 09:01:45 AM  
This will work out great, just like how all credit cards charge nearly 0% interest thanks to so much interstate competition
 
2017-04-20 09:02:20 AM  
Remember the good old days when firearms were kept in a glove compartment or the trunk of your car? At the very least at home in a safe (or if you were like my folks keep a shotgun behind the door).

How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person? Are the law enforcement that poorly funded that civilians can't walk the streets without someone shooting at you? Does everyone think they're living in Chicago now?

Or is it the re-assurance of knowing "I have a gun, you have a gun, everyone has a gun"?
 
2017-04-20 09:02:33 AM  
"If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.
 
2017-04-20 09:06:16 AM  

Lost Thought 00: This will work out great, just like how all credit cards charge nearly 0% interest thanks to so much interstate competition


Those 0% intro APR deals are usually pretty great, actually.
 
2017-04-20 09:06:23 AM  
Sorry but I live in a nice neighborhood in NY and we don't want hayseed trash walking around with guns slung over their shoulders making our streets look like some third world hellhole.
 
2017-04-20 09:07:12 AM  

Wadded Beef: "If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.


Also which 10 states "criminalized" the 2nd amendment? What the fark is that guy babbling about?
 
2017-04-20 09:07:30 AM  

LegacyDL: Remember the good old days when firearms were kept in a glove compartment or the trunk of your car? At the very least at home in a safe (or if you were like my folks keep a shotgun behind the door).

How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person? Are the law enforcement that poorly funded that civilians can't walk the streets without someone shooting at you? Does everyone think they're living in Chicago now?

Or is it the re-assurance of knowing "I have a gun, you have a gun, everyone has a gun"?


I mean, I watch people on TV and they're all so much more successful and exciting than me, and I ask myself why, and it's clearly because of the armed violence.
 
2017-04-20 09:08:17 AM  
Jesus Farking Krypton. Republicans really want to strip away gun restrictions until the entire nation's violent crime rate skyrockets to what Vermont has.
 
2017-04-20 09:08:23 AM  

Wadded Beef: "If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.


Think of all the swatted flies and poor puppies who peed on the floor
 
2017-04-20 09:09:45 AM  

LegacyDL: Remember the good old days when firearms were kept in a glove compartment or the trunk of your car? At the very least at home in a safe (or if you were like my folks keep a shotgun behind the door).

How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person? Are the law enforcement that poorly funded that civilians can't walk the streets without someone shooting at you? Does everyone think they're living in Chicago now?

Or is it the re-assurance of knowing "I have a gun, you have a gun, everyone has a gun"?


I know a couple of people like that, and they're both paranoid. And rightwing nutjobs. But I repeat myself.
 
2017-04-20 09:10:18 AM  
One condition - same deal for weed.
Fair is fair, right?
 
2017-04-20 09:11:25 AM  
We need to get back to the old days of common sense, rugged individualism, personal responsibility, individual freedom and respect for the constitution.

cdn0.wideopenspaces.comi.stack.imgur.com

You know, the good old days - before the snowflakes took over.
 
2017-04-20 09:11:46 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-04-20 09:12:10 AM  
20 elementary school children were gunned down by a mentally unstable teen who had access to firearms and nothing major happened legislatively.

The gun control issue is over. Now it is just the NRA running up the scoreboard.
 
2017-04-20 09:12:47 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Wadded Beef: "If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.

Also which 10 states "criminalized" the 2nd amendment? What the fark is that guy babbling about?


He's talking about California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Conneticut, Massachusets, Oregon, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Hawaii which do not have permit reciprocity agreements with other states.
 
2017-04-20 09:12:49 AM  

DubyaHater: Wadded Beef: "If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.

Think of all the swatted flies and poor puppies who peed on the floor


Won't someone think of the puppies?
/when I do, God kills a kitten.
 
2017-04-20 09:13:56 AM  

RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.


I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.
 
2017-04-20 09:18:40 AM  

FnkyTwn: Why not? As long as we can slap Federal regulations on who can purchase guns (meaning background checks, and no more gunshow or family sale loopholes), required and ongoing training, and some sort of insurance fee, sure. But that means ALLLLL the dipshiat states are going to have to haul all their dipshiats back in and get them federally trained, and review all gun owner backgrounds. Sure, why not?


I've often said I'd be in favor of gun laws being a little more like getting a driver's license, buying/selling cars what with registrations and such.

Hell, I have to renew my commercial drone license every two years with an exam that's more rigorous than these chucklefarks get.
 
2017-04-20 09:18:43 AM  

Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.


"Sir, you are being charged with publicly brandishing a firearm."
"Nu-uh, I'm from Kentucky."
"In that case, carry on."

Our country is insane.
 
2017-04-20 09:19:18 AM  

jso2897: One condition - same deal for weed.
Fair is fair, right?


When you get 50 states to decriminalize, sure.  Right now we have 50 states with 50 differing regulations in regard to ccw.
 
2017-04-20 09:21:15 AM  

weddingsinger: Hell, I have to renew my commercial drone license every two years with an exam that's more rigorous than these chucklefarks get.


Yeah, well, you start being a good guy saving innocent babies with your drone - EVERY DAY - an then we'll talk about deregulating that killing machine!
 
2017-04-20 09:22:34 AM  

LegacyDL: How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person?


This is the part that bugs me.
I'm not at all afraid of guns when they are necessary.
I have carried guns as part of my job.

I hear the argument about Just In Case, but guns are heavy and inconvenient.
If you are concerned about being prepared, do you take a fire extinguisher with you?
If you are concerned about being safe, do you drive below the speed limit?
Logical argument doesn't justifying carrying a handgun in most circumstances.

This makes me question the judgment of those who carry without reason.
 
2017-04-20 09:24:40 AM  

Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.


I am right there with you.   There needs to be a national standard for this to work and the least current standard will not fly with a lot of states, killing any bills chances.  CA and NY will probably have to lower their standards and UT and VT would have to increase theirs.... well VT would have to actually create one.
 
2017-04-20 09:25:52 AM  

Saiga410: Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.

I am right there with you.   There needs to be a national standard for this to work and the least current standard will not fly with a lot of states, killing any bills chances.  CA and NY will probably have to lower their standards and UT and VT would have to increase theirs.... well VT would have to actually create one.


STATES RIGHTS, BY GOD!!!!11!!!!
 
2017-04-20 09:26:05 AM  

Saiga410: Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.

I am right there with you.   There needs to be a national standard for this to work and the least current standard will not fly with a lot of states, killing any bills chances.  CA and NY will probably have to lower their standards and UT and VT would have to increase theirs.... well VT would have to actually create one.


National standard?  And I suppose you expect me to bow to the queen, too?

Shall not be infringed.
 
2017-04-20 09:27:36 AM  
Concealed carry is for pussies....if you REALLY want total and utter firearm freedom it's open carry for all.
All.
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2017-04-20 09:28:42 AM  

Lost Thought 00: HMS_Blinkin: Wadded Beef: "If 10 states made it a felony to read The New York Times, the media would run the story 24/7 until Congress fixed the assault on the First Amendment," Cox says in the 60-second ad, posted to the internet on Tuesday. "But when 10 states criminalize the Second Amendment, the media says nothing."

He's got a great point there, considering how many mass shootings have occurred by someone using a rolled-up copy of the NY Times.

Also which 10 states "criminalized" the 2nd amendment? What the fark is that guy babbling about?

He's talking about California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Conneticut, Massachusets, Oregon, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Hawaii which do not have permit reciprocity agreements with other states.


I didnt know the Constitution required that....
 
2017-04-20 09:28:46 AM  

born_yesterday: Saiga410: Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.

I am right there with you.   There needs to be a national standard for this to work and the least current standard will not fly with a lot of states, killing any bills chances.  CA and NY will probably have to lower their standards and UT and VT would have to increase theirs.... well VT would have to actually create one.

National standard?  And I suppose you expect me to bow to the queen, too?

Shall not be infringed.


The Constitution also says Congress "shall pass no law" abridging people's rights to free speech. Funny how nobody actually advocates for unmitigated free speech including things like inciting people to violence and fomenting riots.
 
2017-04-20 09:29:23 AM  

LegacyDL: Remember the good old days when firearms were kept in a glove compartment or the trunk of your car? At the very least at home in a safe (or if you were like my folks keep a shotgun behind the door).


No, I don't. My Dad owns many guns and never felt a need to haul them around.

How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person?

For the vast majority, it isn't. But people get all turnt up because they see daily mass shootings in the news or think the government is going to turn out the military any second and start confiscating guns whenever a Democrat is in office.

Are the law enforcement that poorly funded that civilians can't walk the streets without someone shooting at you?

If they aren't busy seizing stuff for new margarita machines in the office they're busy saying they can't do anything until a crime actually occurs. Thus, some people get all gun happy since "the cops won't do nothin' anyways!".

Does everyone think they're living in Chicago now?

Not everyone, just the loons that think they need to haul a piece around everywhere.

Or is it the re-assurance of knowing "I have a gun, you have a gun, everyone has a gun"?

See previous answer.
 
2017-04-20 09:29:50 AM  

Coram_Deo: If it's good enough for abortion and homosexual marriage, it should be good enough for the 2nd Amendment.


If a state gun control law is deemed constitutional by the supreme court, then forcing that state to abide by another state's gun control policies is a direct violation of that states sovereignty as granted by the constitution.

Anti-abortion and laws banning the rights of a homosexual marriage are direct violations of discrimination laws designed to comply with constitutionally protected rights.

In other words, not a single idea in your entire thought process has any actual merit or basis in the reality of constitutional laws governing state's rights.  If I didn't know any better, I'd think you copied that post from Fox News' facebook comments thread.
 
2017-04-20 09:30:46 AM  
Alcohol is legal in all 50 states, but open containers are not. If I can walk down Beale Street with an open can of Budweiser, why not your street? I thought this was America?
 
2017-04-20 09:30:49 AM  

born_yesterday: Saiga410: Serious Black: RTOGUY: I find the idea of carrying a gun everywhere absurd but if you are going to let somebody carry a gun around in their own state why not recognize that license in another state that allows concealed carry? It seems to me that once everyone was allowed to carry a gun with them everywhere the real battle for restraint and commonsense was lost so just accept that the pro-gun folks have won and hand them their trophy.

I'd have no problem with allowing people licensed in one state to carry in other states so long as there were federal (or at least common) standards behind what constitutes a state license that can be treated effectively as a national license. As it is today, with no standard, you're guaranteed a race to the bottom in what people must do to get a license. For example, you can get certified to carry in Utah (and 30-some other states through state-level reciprocity laws) merely by taking a four-hour course that doesn't even require you be proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun. That's farking insane. And under national reciprocity, that state, or one who lowers their licensing standards even further, will become the de facto national concealed carry license.

I am right there with you.   There needs to be a national standard for this to work and the least current standard will not fly with a lot of states, killing any bills chances.  CA and NY will probably have to lower their standards and UT and VT would have to increase theirs.... well VT would have to actually create one.

National standard?  And I suppose you expect me to bow to the queen, too?

Shall not be infringed.


So I take it you think you should be able to shoot anyone anytime, because "shall not be infringed".....
Because limiting what you can do, such as being able to fire into a crowded area, still regulating.. I also take it you are against persons with felonies from being denied the 2nd amendment.

What no, there must be reasonable standards you say? then stop throwing out your tag line.
 
2017-04-20 09:31:07 AM  
Since states rights don't apply.  What would they say to making the most restrictive purchasing laws in to the law of the land?
I'm sure that they would be a little upset.
I'm fine with states accepting parity between themselves
I.E. Arkansas and Missouri agreeing to recognize each others concealed carry permits.
But, you're going to have a hard time getting every state on board.
 
2017-04-20 09:31:29 AM  
Once again; you're in no danger from a gun.
You're in danger by the people deciding to use them.

Address the issue, not the tool.
Otherwise, you just wasting everyone's time and looking like a fool.
 
2017-04-20 09:33:04 AM  
About time!

Imagine if your first amendment rights varied from state to state.
 
2017-04-20 09:33:35 AM  

Without Fail: LegacyDL: How bad is your day to day living in America that you feel the need to carry a pistol on your person?

This is the part that bugs me.
I'm not at all afraid of guns when they are necessary.
I have carried guns as part of my job.

I hear the argument about Just In Case, but guns are heavy and inconvenient.
If you are concerned about being prepared, do you take a fire extinguisher with you?
If you are concerned about being safe, do you drive below the speed limit?
Logical argument doesn't justifying carrying a handgun in most circumstances.

This makes me question the judgment of those who carry without reason.


I have been tempted to get a ccw just so it makes going to the range more legally safe.  It would lessen the transportation standard set by my state.  I have a std cab truck and there is no way I am letting my guns sit in the bed but I fear cabbing them allows for to be considered "easy access" though I would have to get out and drop the seats.
 
2017-04-20 09:36:29 AM  
Serious Black:
...proficient at assembling, loading, firing, and dismantling a gun.

I get the firing part, and loading seems kind of self-evident, but assembling and dismantling?
 
2017-04-20 09:36:33 AM  

ds615: Once again; you're in no danger from a gun.
You're in danger by the people deciding to use them.

Address the issue, not the tool.
Otherwise, you just wasting everyone's time and looking like a fool.


So remove free will? I am not sure you are right about who looks like the fool.
 
2017-04-20 09:37:01 AM  

ds615: Once again; you're in no danger from a gun.
You're in danger by the people deciding to use them.

Address the issue, not the tool.
Otherwise, you just wasting everyone's time and looking like a fool.


Chance of an average person brandishing the gun in their glove compartment during a minor traffic dispute: 3%

Chance of an average person brandishing the gun in their (locked) closet during a minor traffic dispute: 0%
 
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