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(Bloomberg)   Surviving Spinal Tap members crank lawsuit for unpaid profits up to 11, add demand execs smell the glove   ( bloomberg.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Spinal Tap, Shearer, Rob Reiner, Shearer co-wrote Brooks, Harry Shearer, Shearer's response, Shearer's lawyers, Shearer chuckles  
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2017-04-20 03:12:45 PM  
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2017-04-20 03:35:53 PM  
Good article.  It doesn't mention that Shearer does "Le Show" on the radio, however.
 
2017-04-20 03:53:05 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 590x350]


You can't sue for vomit
 
2017-04-20 03:58:33 PM  
Why don't they just make ten louder, and have that be the highest number?
 
2017-04-20 04:03:08 PM  
What's wrong with being sexy?
 
2017-04-20 04:07:40 PM  
which is more greater,
Spinal Tap or the Rutles?
 
2017-04-20 04:11:48 PM  
Paying him only $179 in royalties for the merch and soundtrack?  Would have been more believable to tell him their marketing guy stole all the profits and fled to Bolivia, thus counting as a loss -causing the whole enterprise to lose money.
 
2017-04-20 04:15:28 PM  
Are the estates of previous drummers involved too?

Nice one Subby.
 
2017-04-20 04:16:13 PM  
Big bottom
Big Bottom
Talk about mudflaps
My girls got em
 
2017-04-20 04:18:03 PM  
Just kick their ass. Just go ahead and kick their ass.
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2017-04-20 04:20:10 PM  
This is just another example of the little guy trying to stick it to a poor profitless company that gave them a bunch of money in good faith then couldn't even turn a profit on the shoddy product that was delivered
 
2017-04-20 04:25:19 PM  

HighOnCraic: Why don't they just make ten louder, and have that be the highest number?


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2017-04-20 04:42:16 PM  
The commentary for the 20th anniversary dvd, with the band commenting in character as if they're looking back on a real documentary,  is the funniest commentary I've ever heard.
 
2017-04-20 04:48:44 PM  

AstroJesus: Just kick their ass. Just go ahead and kick their ass.
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I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. Kick. My. Ass!
 
2017-04-20 04:56:12 PM  
Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)
 
2017-04-20 05:01:52 PM  
They should have them lick their love pump.
 
2017-04-20 05:26:01 PM  
I don't know why, but white font on black background hurts my eyes now. And they have problems adjusting to other screens afterward.
 
2017-04-20 05:27:39 PM  
The article just below it about the coming disaster in south florida's housing market was far more interesting.
 
2017-04-20 05:30:16 PM  

stoli n coke: Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)


McKean was doing SNL and Laverne & Shirley, so he kept busy. Shearer was doing radio and Guest is descended from British nobility (House of Haden-Guest) so he wasn't exactly hard up for cash.
 
2017-04-20 05:53:31 PM  

Ishkur: I don't know why, but white font on black background hurts my eyes now. And they have problems adjusting to other screens afterward.


 It's like, how much more black could it be?
 
2017-04-20 06:22:54 PM  

farkingismybusiness: It's like, how much more black could it be?


Vantablack
 
2017-04-20 06:28:22 PM  

Ishkur: stoli n coke: Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)

McKean was doing SNL and Laverne & Shirley, so he kept busy. Shearer was doing radio and Guest is descended from British nobility (House of Haden-Guest) so he wasn't exactly hard up for cash.


So they were all still relatively new to the movie business, and maybe not as sharp as they needed to be negotiating their deals.
It happens. James Cameron lost a fortune on the first Terminator for similar reasons (producer convincing him to sell his rights, issues with defunct distributor, etc.)
 
2017-04-20 06:51:28 PM  
This is an old Hollywood trick.  Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi had yet to turn a profit. It comes down to distribution and printing and how the advertising goes against certain boron lines but not others.

Make no mistake, the old rich guys that did nothing to make the movie get theirs, everyone else can go suck a lemon.
 
2017-04-20 07:08:08 PM  
Kinda surprised Spinal Tap didn't already sue their label for more money as a joke
 
2017-04-20 07:27:13 PM  

Ishkur: farkingismybusiness: It's like, how much more black could it be?

Vantablack


I'm sorry. The answer we were looking for was none. None more black.
 
2017-04-20 07:40:27 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: This is an old Hollywood trick.  Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi had yet to turn a profit. It comes down to distribution and printing and how the advertising goes against certain boron lines but not others.

Make no mistake, the old rich guys that did nothing to make the movie get theirs, everyone else can go suck a lemon.


Sounds like a party to me! Maybe Bobbi Flekman can host it... The hostess with the mostest!
 
2017-04-20 09:08:46 PM  

Not_Todd: The commentary for the 20th anniversary dvd, with the band commenting in character as if they're looking back on a real documentary,  is the funniest commentary I've ever heard.


THIS.  Almost better than the movie itself.
 
2017-04-20 09:48:59 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: Not_Todd: The commentary for the 20th anniversary dvd, with the band commenting in character as if they're looking back on a real documentary,  is the funniest commentary I've ever heard.

THIS.  Almost better than the movie itself.


The Phantom Sequel.
 
2017-04-20 09:50:16 PM  

moothemagiccow: Kinda surprised Spinal Tap didn't already sue their label for more money as a joke


Not all that surprising really.

The entertainment business isn't especially litigious.
 
2017-04-20 11:09:48 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Ishkur: farkingismybusiness: It's like, how much more black could it be?

Vantablack

I'm sorry. The answer we were looking for was none. None more black.


I know that. I saying Nigel is wrong -- we can always get blacker.
 
2017-04-20 11:19:08 PM  
Another movie that I loved over the years that I look at differently now because of the idiotic rhetoric of one of it's stars. The movies are still great, it's just I can't watch them anymore because I keep hearing, "I think blah, blah, blah.' ...'and you should listen to me because I'm a Movie Star and that makes me right'
Hollywood is slowly killing itself.
 
2017-04-20 11:23:41 PM  

dittybopper: Good article.  It doesn't mention that Shearer does "Le Show" on the radio, however.


Doh!
 
2017-04-20 11:26:05 PM  

Ishkur: farkingismybusiness: Ishkur: farkingismybusiness: It's like, how much more black could it be?

Vantablack

I'm sorry. The answer we were looking for was none. None more black.

I know that. I saying Nigel is wrong -- we can always get blacker.


The Blackest Ov the Black.
 
2017-04-21 12:43:29 AM  

stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)


I don't think he's saying they had a great deal. He's saying the shiat deal they did have was not met.
 
2017-04-21 12:44:14 AM  
If we need that extra push over the cliff, know what we do?
 
2017-04-21 01:08:14 AM  

farkingismybusiness: Ishkur: farkingismybusiness: It's like, how much more black could it be?

Vantablack

I'm sorry. The answer we were looking for was none. None more black.


Apparently it could be more black.

Vantablack 2
 
2017-04-21 01:17:45 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: This is an old Hollywood trick.  Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi had yet to turn a profit. It comes down to distribution and printing and how the advertising goes against certain boron lines but not others.

Make no mistake, the old rich guys that did nothing to make the movie get theirs, everyone else can go suck a lemon.


Eventually some movie is going to make a profit for the artists involved. I mean, the law of averages.

And some shameless self-promotion if you're into Tap, check out the podcast Spinal Tap Minute.

If you need more than just the promise of watching This is Spinal Tap one minute at a time, we had David Kaffinetti, aka Viv Savage stop by for a chat.
 
2017-04-21 01:40:46 AM  
Well, you should have seen what they wanted the execs to smell! It wasn't a glove, believe me.
 
2017-04-21 01:50:50 AM  

JohnBigBootay: stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)

I don't think he's saying they had a great deal. He's saying the shiat deal they did have was not met.


And that could be, in part, because of the fact that the company they made the initial deal with no longer exists.

Embassy Pictures, which released Spinal Tap, folded and their back catelog was sold off to MGM, Studio Canal, and other companies. The question presented is should those companies pay royalties on a property they bought outright?
 
2017-04-21 02:06:40 AM  

stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)

I don't think he's saying they had a great deal. He's saying the shiat deal they did have was not met.

And that could be, in part, because of the fact that the company they made the initial deal with no longer exists.

Embassy Pictures, which released Spinal Tap, folded and their back catelog was sold off to MGM, Studio Canal, and other companies. The question presented is should those companies pay royalties on a property they bought outright?


fark yes. Happens every day.
 
2017-04-21 07:03:14 AM  

stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)

I don't think he's saying they had a great deal. He's saying the shiat deal they did have was not met.

And that could be, in part, because of the fact that the company they made the initial deal with no longer exists.

Embassy Pictures, which released Spinal Tap, folded and their back catelog was sold off to MGM, Studio Canal, and other companies. The question presented is should those companies pay royalties on a property they bought outright?


Company goes out of business, you buy some of their old property. You discover that they had buried some leaky barrels of chemicals. You are now responsible for the cleanup.

If they could use that dodge, we'd be seeing regular turnover among media companies to negate the royalty payments.
 
2017-04-21 07:08:25 AM  
The certainly did not age well.
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/At least that follow up movie must have made them a ton of money to make it up - amiright?
 
2017-04-21 07:55:54 AM  
I recently saw a short YouTube video about 'Hollywood Stars and their Children' where Janet Leigh and her daughters Kelly and Jamie Lee were discussing their upbringing.  It looked like it was filmed in the 1970s.  At one point Kelly mentioned how strict Janet was about keeping their bedrooms clean, and she said "whereas most Moms are 10, you were dialed up to 12 or 15".  Coincidence, or is that the origin of the line?  (Jamie Lee is married to Christopher Guest, who said the line in the movie).
 
2017-04-21 10:50:59 AM  

Priapetic: What's wrong with being sexy?


SexIST, Priapetic. SexIST.
 
2017-04-21 12:19:16 PM  

stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)


Actually, according to TFA, the deal they had is in some ways better than what happens now, because it was before the studios started putting in mandatory arbitration and confidentiality clauses, so they've got the ability to try to get this into an actual courtroom.
 
2017-04-21 12:36:33 PM  

mcmnky: And some shameless self-promotion if you're into Tap, check out the podcast Spinal Tap Minute.


I'll second that. I have been a subscriber since I heard it mentioned on one of the other movies-by-minute shows.
 
2017-04-21 01:00:22 PM  

stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: stoli n coke: Did McKean, Guest, Reiner and Shearer renegotiate their royalty structure after the original distributor went out of business? Or did they think whoever bought the Embassy Pictures catalog would just honor the previous agreement on their own free will?

Or did they all just sign shoddy contracts initially without reading the fine print? (McKean, Shearer, and Guest weren't really famous before Spinal Tap came out, and Reiner was a novice director trying to shed his image of being a sitcom supporting player.)

I don't think he's saying they had a great deal. He's saying the shiat deal they did have was not met.

And that could be, in part, because of the fact that the company they made the initial deal with no longer exists.

Embassy Pictures, which released Spinal Tap, folded and their back catelog was sold off to MGM, Studio Canal, and other companies. The question presented is should those companies pay royalties on a property they bought outright?


If the current company (Vivendi) has sent them any royalties that would be admission of responsibility. So the lawsuit would purely be a question of accounting and amounts.

Then again, the law is crazy with what you can get away with if you hire the right lobbyists. You can transfer a company pension to a new entity and have that entity declare bankruptcy and stop payments even while the original employer is still in business.

So I expect this will be another case where the only real winners are the lawyers. And as others have said, this lawsuit only happens because it's an old deal from before the media corporations fixed their contracts to make sure the artists they screwed stay screwed.
 
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