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(Popular Science)   China building the world's largest nuclear submarine base, will crank out four subs simultaneously, allowing it to match U.S. Navy production with Type 02 diabeetus SSNs   ( popsci.com) divider line
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2017-04-20 09:26:01 AM  
Oh, joy.
 
2017-04-20 09:31:38 AM  
Also, their shipbuilding plans are very well thought out. Before they start building a ship, they plan out every aspect of its construction, deployment, refit, upgrades, disposal and replacements. They don't delay future plans for current political limitations or keep old ships around because "the money isn't there for new ones".
 
2017-04-20 12:45:07 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Also, their shipbuilding plans are very well thought out. Before they start building a ship, they plan out every aspect of its construction, deployment, refit, upgrades, disposal and replacements. They don't delay future plans for current political limitations or keep old ships around because "the money isn't there for new ones".


Yeah, but all their stuff is Made In China.
 
2017-04-20 01:19:50 PM  
Problem is, they sound like this guy underwater.

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2017-04-20 01:24:59 PM  
Will their engines sound like a seismic anomaly?
 
2017-04-20 03:45:32 PM  

foo monkey: Problem is, they sound like this guy underwater.

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Yeah, that's been a problem for them historically:

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But that doesn't necessarily mean it will stay that way.

Also, they have a number of conventional subs which are generally much quieter, including Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) subs like the Type 039A.

Those are the ones that are going to be a problem in any regional naval conflict.
 
2017-04-20 04:41:48 PM  
Drone subs are the future. They can lie at the bottom of the ocean for decades until needed.

The US probably has one buried under the sand right in front of this place.
 
2017-04-20 04:44:03 PM  
Those damn social security numbers.  So deadly.  So sneaky.
 
2017-04-20 04:47:59 PM  
That's just a rumor that was spread around town.
 
2017-04-20 04:48:37 PM  
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2017-04-20 04:53:30 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Also, their shipbuilding plans are very well thought out. Before they start building a ship, they plan out every aspect of its construction, deployment, refit, upgrades, disposal and replacements. They don't delay future plans for current political limitations or keep old ships around because "the money isn't there for new ones".


They don't have any old ones.
 
2017-04-20 05:07:28 PM  
Not to worry.

Fark's Top Men will be here to explain that America's military is the bestest ALWAYS.

/ Even though we can't defeat cave dwellers with AKs and IEDs
// "Your adversaries are dumb and weak, nobody can beat AMERICA!!" - Sun Tzu according to Fark armchair generals.
 
2017-04-20 05:15:45 PM  

jaytkay: Not to worry.

Fark's Top Men will be here to explain that America's military is the bestest ALWAYS.

/ Even though we can't defeat cave dwellers with AKs and IEDs
// "Your adversaries are dumb and weak, nobody can beat AMERICA!!" - Sun Tzu according to Fark armchair generals.


Yeah, well this time we'll have clear goals and an exit strategy.

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2017-04-20 05:16:58 PM  

jaytkay: Not to worry.

Fark's Top Men will be here to explain that America's military is the bestest ALWAYS.

/ Even though we can't defeat cave dwellers with AKs and IEDs
// "Your adversaries are dumb and weak, nobody can beat AMERICA!!" - Sun Tzu according to Fark armchair generals.


Actually, we can defeat them.

Repeatedly. And successfully.

We just can't kill their spawn points (cave dweller vaginas and the radicalized mosques funded by our Saudi Allies)
 
2017-04-20 05:18:07 PM  
Chinese subs are one issue, but the one most people miss is that they have a massive "merchant" fleet that's basically just run by the Chinese military.

A lot of their cargo ships are dual-purpose, and have unusual features for ships of their type - like roll-on/roll-off ships with very thick floor plates that can, oddly enough, handle the weight of tanks with no problems. They recently started a program where all of their new merchant ships will be dual-use, with military-style damage control and other systems.

There's also that consistent rumor of "modular missile transports," which are just plain old container ships with the top row or two (or more) of containers replaced with missile launchers like the Russian Club-K system. On a big container ship, that's a LOT of missiles. Not something you'd want to sail through combat, but not bad it you don't mind losing it after it wipes out an enemy fleet.

I still think the opening move of WWIII could be China taking a modern containerized port with a ship full of soldiers, riding in containers with their equipment and supplies. You could fit most of an infantry division on one ship...
 
2017-04-20 05:24:03 PM  
That's not a base it's a shipyard and we have one that's larger (NNSY). When I as there they were building four LA class boats and doing refueling overhauls on about four boomers while also building an Aircraft carrier. There were also a couple of civilian ships being worked on. The Chinese shipyard looks more like EB.
 
2017-04-20 05:46:24 PM  
They're arming up for a reason.
 
2017-04-20 05:57:42 PM  
Good thing they have most favored nation status so we keeping dumping so much money into their economy.

/ I'll stop there before I rant for an hour.
 
2017-04-20 06:04:56 PM  

Coram_Deo: They're arming up for a reason.


The same could be said for us.
 
2017-04-20 06:29:40 PM  
Gotta find something to do with all those surplus males. May as well feed them to the cannons.
 
2017-04-20 06:30:08 PM  

jaytkay: Not to worry.

Fark's Top Men will be here to explain that America's military is the bestest ALWAYS.

/ Even though we can't defeat cave dwellers with AKs and IEDs
// "Your adversaries are dumb and weak, nobody can beat AMERICA!!" - Sun Tzu according to Fark armchair generals.


When it concerns pigboats, there's the British and the US really, with Russia falling behind again. The Russians stole enough informations, and spent enough money, to catch up to us for a short time. The problem is, it is f*cking expensive! China might think it can get away with it being cheaper, but everything on submarines is expensive. Design is expensive. Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive. Maintenance is finicky, with extremely tight tolerances, unexpected costs, and that makes it expensive. Even handling the logistics for a submarine fleet (bunker fuel, food, weapons, et al.) ends up being expensive.

So yes if China is willing to invest the time, and lots of money, then some more money, and then a shiatload more money, they can catch up to the US and Britain. Of course then they'll have to keep spending lots of money or the subs will be useless in short order.
 
2017-04-20 09:28:37 PM  
Hey this reminds me: I've been telling Mrs. _tree about that awesome civil war letter that includes "succumbing to the beetus" but I can't find it anywhere.

...is there any Farker out there who has it archived that might be willing to post it here and help a Farker out?

There's much good karma and many +1 internets in it for you! :-)
 
2017-04-20 09:59:07 PM  

cirby: Chinese subs are one issue, but the one most people miss is that they have a massive "merchant" fleet that's basically just run by the Chinese military.

A lot of their cargo ships are dual-purpose, and have unusual features for ships of their type - like roll-on/roll-off ships with very thick floor plates that can, oddly enough, handle the weight of tanks with no problems. They recently started a program where all of their new merchant ships will be dual-use, with military-style damage control and other systems.

There's also that consistent rumor of "modular missile transports," which are just plain old container ships with the top row or two (or more) of containers replaced with missile launchers like the Russian Club-K system. On a big container ship, that's a LOT of missiles. Not something you'd want to sail through combat, but not bad it you don't mind losing it after it wipes out an enemy fleet.

I still think the opening move of WWIII could be China taking a modern containerized port with a ship full of soldiers, riding in containers with their equipment and supplies. You could fit most of an infantry division on one ship...


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Simpsons Tom Clancy did it!
 
2017-04-20 10:24:44 PM  

jaytkay: Not to worry.

Fark's Top Men will be here to explain that America's military is the bestest ALWAYS.

/ Even though we can't defeat cave dwellers with AKs and IEDs
// "Your adversaries are dumb and weak, nobody can beat AMERICA!!" - Sun Tzu according to Fark armchair generals.


Trolling?  Or just ignorant.
 
2017-04-20 11:03:10 PM  

sophus_tree: Hey this reminds me: I've been telling Mrs. _tree about that awesome civil war letter that includes "succumbing to the beetus" but I can't find it anywhere.

...is there any Farker out there who has it archived that might be willing to post it here and help a Farker out?

There's much good karma and many +1 internets in it for you! :-)


Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Dearest Tammy-Ann,

I fear all is lost and I will never gaze upon your face, nor sup upon your jauntily arranged plates of Little Debbie snack cakes again. When we came to the cesspool that is Washington D.C. to cleanse the atheist sharia-loving muslin from the "White" House and restore America's greatness we sorely underestimated the guile and craftiness of the socialists. Not only is "Capitol Hill" an actual hill, but there are insurmountable staircases -- some three, even five steps in height.

Our Hoverrounds sit motionless, our batteries depleted. Even Merle's prodigious Jazzy Plus was unable to tow our once-mighty steeds to victory, even with Merle's reduced tonnage having lost his nethers to the 'beetus. We all have orders in for new batteries from Medicare, but those batteries would be delivered by the Post Office, Obama's blue-clad Union Thug Army of Sloth.

Please ensure our sons Dale, Earnhardt, Three and Intimidator learn of this day that Freedom died.

I remain, your beloved,

Clovis.
 
2017-04-21 12:51:24 PM  

inglixthemad: Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive.


It's expensive, but it isn't high precision. Cost is driven by the thickness of the steel and the need to roll it and curve the dome ends. Also the quantity, you need more than for a carrier.

#UsedToDesignTheThingsForMrsQueen
 
2017-04-21 01:07:34 PM  

ParaHandy: inglixthemad: Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive.

It's expensive, but it isn't high precision. Cost is driven by the thickness of the steel and the need to roll it and curve the dome ends. Also the quantity, you need more than for a carrier.

#UsedToDesignTheThingsForMrsQueen


You don't require precision welding (among other things) on UK nuclear submarines? Remind me never to accept another tour offer.
 
2017-04-21 02:29:47 PM  

inglixthemad: ParaHandy: inglixthemad: Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive.

It's expensive, but it isn't high precision. Cost is driven by the thickness of the steel and the need to roll it and curve the dome ends. Also the quantity, you need more than for a carrier.

#UsedToDesignTheThingsForMrsQueen

You don't require precision welding (among other things) on UK nuclear submarines? Remind me never to accept another tour offer.


Not particularly, and I find it hard to imagine the US doing it differently. We actually used to measure imperfections and study their consequences with computer and physical models.

Read about the Boeing 787, you won't fly on one :)
 
2017-04-21 02:44:07 PM  

ParaHandy: inglixthemad: ParaHandy: inglixthemad: Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive.

It's expensive, but it isn't high precision. Cost is driven by the thickness of the steel and the need to roll it and curve the dome ends. Also the quantity, you need more than for a carrier.

#UsedToDesignTheThingsForMrsQueen

You don't require precision welding (among other things) on UK nuclear submarines? Remind me never to accept another tour offer.

Not particularly, and I find it hard to imagine the US doing it differently. We actually used to measure imperfections and study their consequences with computer and physical models.

Read about the Boeing 787, you won't fly on one :)


And to be fair it does depend on how you define "precision", but a frame that is a few mm out of place or circularity is not a problem. You're talking 150mm deep fillet welds here.
 
2017-04-21 02:53:44 PM  

ParaHandy: ParaHandy: inglixthemad: ParaHandy: inglixthemad: Fabrication requires extreme precision and is ridiculously expensive. Training needs to be consistent and constant, and is expensive.

It's expensive, but it isn't high precision. Cost is driven by the thickness of the steel and the need to roll it and curve the dome ends. Also the quantity, you need more than for a carrier.

#UsedToDesignTheThingsForMrsQueen

You don't require precision welding (among other things) on UK nuclear submarines? Remind me never to accept another tour offer.

Not particularly, and I find it hard to imagine the US doing it differently. We actually used to measure imperfections and study their consequences with computer and physical models.

Read about the Boeing 787, you won't fly on one :)

And to be fair it does depend on how you define "precision", but a frame that is a few mm out of place or circularity is not a problem. You're talking 150mm deep fillet welds here.


Which, to be fair, we've seen what happens when others don't follow "precision" quality controls *cough*Russia*cough* and an "incident" occurs. I do know a bit aircraft construction, and the precision involved there as well. I helped a friend build his experimental Evolution Turboprop.

I think we can agree that there are fundamental limits on precision needed for a particular task, or even possible for a particular task. Sometimes those tolerance limits are smaller, sometimes larger, before risk of failure rears it's ugly head. Agreed?
 
2017-04-21 05:08:07 PM  
inglixthemad:
I think we can agree that there are fundamental limits on precision needed for a particular task, or even possible for a particular task. Sometimes those tolerance limits are smaller, sometimes larger, before risk of failure rears it's ugly head. Agreed?

For sure. I just found it funny when you said "precision" and "submarine", with the cynical eye of one who worked behind the scenes.

/ letting off a tonne of cheddite in the river was good times though
 
2017-04-21 05:46:47 PM  

ParaHandy: inglixthemad:
I think we can agree that there are fundamental limits on precision needed for a particular task, or even possible for a particular task. Sometimes those tolerance limits are smaller, sometimes larger, before risk of failure rears it's ugly head. Agreed?

For sure. I just found it funny when you said "precision" and "submarine", with the cynical eye of one who worked behind the scenes.


Where you think we are imprecise, go look up some history of the Soviet Navy before they made a real play at building "top of the line" subs. The stuff they let by in construction and maintenance would make you recoil in fear. Precision does have it's limits, but that doesn't mean you can ignore the concept...
 
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