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2017-04-19 09:52:01 PM  
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I ain't sayin' it's yoomans, but it's yoomans.
 
2017-04-19 10:18:27 PM  
I still have dog tags with vegetarian (misspelled )for my faith choice. I figured they would just wave some celery over me if I died.
 
2017-04-19 10:31:18 PM  
I want to be a lay leader!
 
2017-04-19 10:42:16 PM  
Lay leaders?

No one can eat just one.
 
2017-04-20 12:02:25 AM  
I am The One

The One of Matrixism

It is up to me to reveal the simulation we live in

You will believe. If not, I will hack the universe to make you more ugly than your ugly ass is.
 
2017-04-20 12:07:15 AM  
They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.
 
2017-04-20 12:15:36 AM  

Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.


Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?
 
2017-04-20 12:20:09 AM  
*Psssshhhhh*
Everyone know that the only true religion is the way, For the best way is the Tress' Way.

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2017-04-20 12:53:35 AM  

Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?


Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.
 
2017-04-20 01:13:01 AM  

Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?

Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.


Oh, is that the formal name for Trumpism? I had no idea!
 
2017-04-20 01:15:21 AM  

Serious Black: Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?

Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.

Oh, is that the formal name for Trumpism? I had no idea!


I can't tell if you're stupid, a troll, or just don't know how to type the word "Google" into an address bar, so here you go, buddy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
 
2017-04-20 01:18:41 AM  

Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?

Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.

Oh, is that the formal name for Trumpism? I had no idea!

I can't tell if you're stupid, a troll, or just don't know how to type the word "Google" into an address bar, so here you go, buddy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism


Oh, I had no idea what it was when you mentioned it originally, so I actually looked at that very Wikipedia page before replying to your Weeners.
 
2017-04-20 01:33:04 AM  

Serious Black: Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?

Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.

Oh, is that the formal name for Trumpism? I had no idea!

I can't tell if you're stupid, a troll, or just don't know how to type the word "Google" into an address bar, so here you go, buddy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

Oh, I had no idea what it was when you mentioned it originally, so I actually looked at that very Wikipedia page before replying to your Weeners.


I appreciate the time it must have taken to gaze upon the full breadth and depth of my Weeners, and to bask in all the profound glory you experienced, and surely are still attempting to properly comprehend.

If you enjoyed it and were not excessively overwhelmed perhaps you would like to subscribe to my newsletter...
 
2017-04-20 01:45:32 AM  

Sid_6.7:  
I appreciate the time it must have taken to gaze upon the full breadth and depth of my Weeners,


I'm not sure if this is the best accidental or best intentional use of the Fark filters.


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2017-04-20 03:17:30 AM  

yanceylebeef: I still have dog tags with vegetarian (misspelled )for my faith choice. I figured they would just wave some celery over me if I died.


User name checks out.
 
2017-04-20 03:57:27 AM  

Banned on the Run: Sid_6.7:  
I appreciate the time it must have taken to gaze upon the full breadth and depth of my Weeners,

I'm not sure if this is the best accidental or best intentional use of the Fark filters.


window.post_1492666794082_10 = function(win,msg){ win.postMessage(msg,"*");}


What was the word that was filtered?

/Also, go
function(win,msg){ win.postMessage(msg,"*");} yourself.
 
2017-04-20 04:04:53 AM  
Yay, people who believe in a moral code for its own sake and without expectation of reward are now recognized the same as people who believe an invisible sky talks to them and will punish them if they sin. #equality.
 
2017-04-20 04:08:58 AM  
As long as they do the job of a chaplain, it's okay with me.

The Military Chaplain is important not only for religous but psychological reasons, so if they treat the job seriously and keep the troops sane I don't really care what they believe in.
 
2017-04-20 04:09:09 AM  

drxym: Yay, people who believe in a moral code for its own sake and without expectation of reward are now recognized the same as people who believe an invisible sky talks to them and will punish them if they sin. #equality.


Exactly. Treat all religions the same whether they have gods or not.
 
2017-04-20 04:11:13 AM  

Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.


What about Accordionism?

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2017-04-20 04:11:17 AM  
Military graves can have a religious symbol on the tombstone. What is the symbol for humanism?

www.nysfda.org

Ya. A flying squirrel.
 
2017-04-20 04:16:08 AM  

Theeng: As long as they do the job of a chaplain, it's okay with me.

The Military Chaplain is important not only for religous but psychological reasons, so if they treat the job seriously and keep the troops sane I don't really care what they believe in.


It's been a long time coming.  The non-religious sect of the service has been steadily growing, and Christian chaplains dominate the chaplain corps.   Not acknowledging a humanist chaplain. Cause they don't have documentation that is only conferred on other religious clergy is a freedom of establishment concern.

Personally, as an apatheist, I'd be more comfortable speaking with a humanist chaplain than a religious chaplain.  While chaplains are typically pretty well trained on separating their faith from their counsel, there's always the potential and perception of an attempt at conversion.  Having a more varied chaplain corps with humanists will allow the corps to more capably respond to the more varied spiritual needs of service members in crisis.
 
2017-04-20 04:16:59 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Military graves can have a religious symbol on the tombstone. What is the symbol for humanism?

[www.nysfda.org image 350x350]

Ya. A flying squirrel.


More awesome than a lame cross!

/less awesome than FSM
 
2017-04-20 04:18:29 AM  
Does this mean I can tell the government to fark off when they want property taxes?  My home is my humanist abode in this realm.
 
2017-04-20 04:26:07 AM  

Serious Black: Sid_6.7: Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?

Lots of people are Discordians. They just don't realize it. Especially in the US since around, I don't know, November 8, 2016.

Oh, is that the formal name for Trumpism? I had no idea!


img.fark.net
Hey, don't associate ME with that yammering yam-colored buffoon!
 
2017-04-20 04:39:30 AM  

Serious Black: Sid_6.7: They recognize a "religion" like humanism, but they still don't recognize Discordianism.

I bet they eat their hot dogs with buns, the bastards.

Never heard of Discordianism before. I'm guessing there are few adherents?


https://principiadiscordia.com/book/5.php
 
2017-04-20 04:52:16 AM  

Summoner101: Pointy Tail of Satan: Military graves can have a religious symbol on the tombstone. What is the symbol for humanism?

[www.nysfda.org image 350x350]

Ya. A flying squirrel.

More awesome than a lame cross!


It looks like the logo for an obscure early-1970s government program. I'm thinking a Health and Human Services inner-city wellness initiative, or maybe an early-childhood education program. Something that you might find on a faded, forgotten sticker on an inner-city library door, above a yellowed sticker saying "ACHIEVING OUR POTENTIAL" or something. Humanism is a fine belief system, but the logo is very much of a particular place and time.

/less awesome than FSM

The point of FSM is to point out the absurdity of the Intelligent Design argument, which essentially goes "observed phenomenon X is compatible with having been the product of an intelligent designer, therefore the Judeo-Christian God did it." The FSM argument is that an absurd joke deity might equally validly be substituted as the 'designer' of the universe without changing the ID arguments one bit. The intent is to discredit the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. And that's a good intent.

But what would the point be of an FSM tombstone? To discredit the inclusion of religion in burial ceremonies? I'm not sure I'd agree with that at all. It's certainly wrong to teach one particular religious belief as fact in government-run classrooms, but what is wrong with individuals choosing to mark their own beliefs on their own tombstones? Why mock the sincerely-held private beliefs of the dead? An FSM tombstone would just seem weird and spiteful.
 
2017-04-20 04:57:41 AM  
CSB: When I joined the infantry, I was a rather devout Baptist/Christian. At 30th AG, I got my dog tags and they stated "NO-REL-PREF", meaning I didn't have a religion of choice. I guess it was up to my recruiter to input that data, and he never asked, so that's what I got. Later, I had the opportunity to change that line on a new set of dog tags, but I looked over the insanely long list and decided that I really didn't have much of a religious preference anymore. So, I remained unaffiliated. I did wonder what my headstone would have engraved upon it, but never cared to learn.

/CSB: A lazy recruiter caused me to lose my religion. God blessed him with a skill.
 
2017-04-20 05:23:07 AM  

pkjun: Summoner101: Pointy Tail of Satan: Military graves can have a religious symbol on the tombstone. What is the symbol for humanism?

[www.nysfda.org image 350x350]

Ya. A flying squirrel.

More awesome than a lame cross!

It looks like the logo for an obscure early-1970s government program. I'm thinking a Health and Human Services inner-city wellness initiative, or maybe an early-childhood education program. Something that you might find on a faded, forgotten sticker on an inner-city library door, above a yellowed sticker saying "ACHIEVING OUR POTENTIAL" or something. Humanism is a fine belief system, but the logo is very much of a particular place and time.

/less awesome than FSM

The point of FSM is to point out the absurdity of the Intelligent Design argument, which essentially goes "observed phenomenon X is compatible with having been the product of an intelligent designer, therefore the Judeo-Christian God did it." The FSM argument is that an absurd joke deity might equally validly be substituted as the 'designer' of the universe without changing the ID arguments one bit. The intent is to discredit the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. And that's a good intent.

But what would the point be of an FSM tombstone? To discredit the inclusion of religion in burial ceremonies? I'm not sure I'd agree with that at all. It's certainly wrong to teach one particular religious belief as fact in government-run classrooms, but what is wrong with individuals choosing to mark their own beliefs on their own tombstones? Why mock the sincerely-held private beliefs of the dead? An FSM tombstone would just seem weird and spiteful.


I understand the "Russel's Teapot" foundation of FSM, but having it acknowledged as a symbol should be left to the member even if not representative of secular humanism as a whole.  I'm sure a great deal many people have their own preconceived notions of the religious symbols of Islam, Wiccan, Satanism and on and on.  If we truly respect the freedom of religion (or the lack thereof), should it really matter what the symbol represents as long as the member being honored held to that code?  That seems like an arbitrary standard that could potentially disinclude smaller, "legitimate" religions.
 
2017-04-20 05:39:13 AM  

Summoner101: Personally, as an apathetic...


Apatheism? Wait, what? Tell me that is a thing and not an auto correct typo.

/off to google
 
2017-04-20 05:45:56 AM  
Of course it auto corrected apatheist in my trimming of your post, *rolleyes*
 
2017-04-20 05:47:21 AM  

Summoner101: The point of FSM is to point out the absurdity of the Intelligent Design argument, which essentially goes "observed phenomenon X is compatible with having been the product of an intelligent designer, therefore the Judeo-Christian God did it." The FSM argument is that an absurd joke deity might equally validly be substituted as the 'designer' of the universe without changing the ID arguments one bit. The intent is to discredit the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. And that's a good intent.

But what would the point be of an FSM tombstone? To discredit the inclusion of religion in burial ceremonies? I'm not sure I'd agree with that at all. It's certainly wrong to teach one particular religious belief as fact in government-run classrooms, but what is wrong with individuals choosing to mark their own beliefs on their own tombstones? Why mock the sincerely-held private beliefs of the dead? An FSM tombstone would just seem weird and spiteful.

I understand the "Russel's Teapot" foundation of FSM, but having it acknowledged as a symbol should be left to the member even if not representative of secular humanism as a whole.  I'm sure a great deal many people have their own preconceived notions of the religious symbols of Islam, Wiccan, Satanism and on and on.  If we truly respect the freedom of religion (or the lack thereof), should it really matter what the symbol represents as long as the member being honored held to that code?  That seems like an arbitrary standard that could potentially disinclude smaller, "legitimate" religions.


I'm not talking about "preconceived notions;" I'm talking about the very publicly documented intent of the FSM. It flagrantly is not a genuine religion and that is the point; it is a tongue-in-cheek weapon against the very idea of granting special status to religion. It can't be legally proven not to be sincere (comically, childishly absurd though it is) and therefore it legally must be treated as co-equal to Christianity and Islam in Western countries that accord religious practice special exemptions and special rights. The absurdity of letting people wear colanders on passport photos, and wear pirate costumes in formal settings, and of demanding schools spend a third of their curriculum on a crackpot joke all illuminate a genuine and praiseworthy desire to strip religious exemptions out of the law. The point of the FSM is that it is stupid, and therefore rules that allow it special treatment must also be stupid.

Is it stupid that dead soldiers may be buried under an icon reflecting their religious beliefs? Is that a dumb rule that needs changing? If not, how is the FSM applicable?

The FSM is a very well deserved middle finger aimed squarely at overbearing control freaks who try to use the law to grant themselves special privileges. I'm really not seeing the point of aiming that middle finger at dead soldiers.
 
2017-04-20 05:47:27 AM  
a certain point, aren't chaplains there to serve the ground troops?  Not just the military personnel in general, but the ones that will actually be in war zones?  The rest can go to regular chaplains.  "Humanist" accounts for 3.6% of the military.  So...
 
2017-04-20 05:52:19 AM  

yanceylebeef: I still have dog tags with vegetarian (misspelled )for my faith choice. I figured they would just wave some celery over me if I died.


Yea  though I walk through the hidden  valley of the salad of death, I shall fear no meat: for thou art with me; thy stalk of thy celery they comfort me.
 
2017-04-20 05:53:42 AM  
I read the thread.

You can not just put any symbol you want, on an official military tombstone. They must be a symbol recognized and from a list.

Chaplains perform rites and ceremonies for multiple religions. There's no specific chaplain for Buddhism, Catholism, or Baptist. There's just a chaplain.
 
2017-04-20 06:05:15 AM  
Well, how do you like that. Not sure how I missed the rise of the term apatheism - except that it seems to have been coined around the time that I decided to waste less of my time contemplating the existence of God for its own sake.
 
2017-04-20 06:08:22 AM  

pkjun: I'm really not seeing the point of aiming that middle finger at dead soldiers


Is it aiming a middle finger at dead soldiers if the dead soldier wants it on their tombstone?  So would you be more for differentiating Pastafarianism from Humanism as the crux of your argument seems to be misrepresenting someone's beliefs as a Pastafarian is more likely to be a Humanist while a Humanist is not necessarily a Pastafarian?
 
2017-04-20 06:12:58 AM  

SinisterDexter: Summoner101: Personally, as an apathetic...

Apatheism? Wait, what? Tell me that is a thing and not an auto correct typo.

/off to google


SinisterDexter: Well, how do you like that. Not sure how I missed the rise of the term apatheism - except that it seems to have been coined around the time that I decided to waste less of my time contemplating the existence of God for its own sake.


Fortunately, it's fairly straightforward.  The difficulty, I feel, of claiming atheism or agnosticism is that there is some positive personal determination on the question of God(s).  Whether there is or there isn't just doesn't have a meaningful personal impact on my life thus apatheism.
 
2017-04-20 06:19:33 AM  

SinisterDexter: Well, how do you like that. Not sure how I missed the rise of the term apatheism - except that it seems to have been coined around the time that I decided to waste less of my time contemplating the existence of God for its own sake.


So around the time you became apathetic? A miraculous spontaneous conversion, moved by the spirit to do absolutely nothing. You should be the poster child. Maybe someday nobody will hear of you or your name, nobody will care about your birthplace and any napkins you scribbled on while intoxicated will be utterly ignored by pretty much everyone.
 
2017-04-20 06:21:45 AM  

yanceylebeef: I still have dog tags with vegetarian (misspelled )for my faith choice. I figured they would just wave some celery over me if I died.


Vagitarian?
 
2017-04-20 06:31:47 AM  
Why not? All religions are equally valid.
 
2017-04-20 06:37:23 AM  

Summoner101: pkjun: I'm really not seeing the point of aiming that middle finger at dead soldiers

So would you be more for differentiating Pastafarianism from Humanism as the crux of your argument seems to be misrepresenting someone's beliefs as a Pastafarian is more likely to be a Humanist while a Humanist is not necessarily a Pastafarian?


I don't really know how to parse this. I'm not sure what you're on about when you're asking me if I'm "for differentiating Pastafarianism from Humanism." They're entirely different things.

Humanism is a non-theistic system of ethical beliefs and values, and is sincerely held by many people as a genuine and positive alternative to religious systems of morality.

Pastafarianism is a joke religion invented to mock creationist Christian fundamentalists, and is used snarkily by many people to protest religious exemptions in laws.

Not hard to differentiate.

Is it aiming a middle finger at dead soldiers if the dead soldier wants it on their tombstone?

Sure, I think it would be. The FSM is dissimilar to other religious icons in that it is not a profession of the holder's own religious beliefs, but rather is a declaration that others' religious beliefs are absurd and unworthy of special consideration. I am not sure how to stress this enough: it is meant to be an insult. And while some people and some ideas very much deserve insulting, I do not think grieving military families are the most appropriate target for political axe-grinding.
 
2017-04-20 06:50:32 AM  
I must say that in the early 90s I never had the balls to tell the military that I was a Witch.  These days I would still not be sure, because I just integrated my special days into an ordinary day - to actually claim a special day would make me feel like weak sauce (anyone in the military you claims some sort of religious exemption is 'weak sauce.')
 
2017-04-20 06:52:43 AM  
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2017-04-20 06:55:46 AM  
pkjun:

Sure, I think it would be. The FSM is dissimilar to other religious icons in that it is not a profession of the holder's own religious beliefs, but rather is a declaration that others' religious beliefs are absurd and unworthy of special consideration. I am not sure how to stress this enough: it is meant to be an insult. And while some people and some ideas very much deserve insulting, I do not think grieving military families are the most appropriate target for political axe-grinding.

While I can appreciate this, shouldn't the hypothetical soldier at least have the freedom to have their headstone decorated as they see fit? Nothing obscene obviously, but anything that would be ok to hang up on the wall of, say, a supermarket or other like public place should be ok to display on a tombstone if that's the wish of the person in question.
 
2017-04-20 07:11:17 AM  
All hail Cthulhu! Ia! Ia!
 
2017-04-20 07:12:54 AM  

eyeq360: All hail Cthulhu! Ia! Ia!


If you do not hail Cthulhu then you are a suicidal idiot!
 
2017-04-20 07:15:58 AM  

Langdon_777: eyeq360: All hail Cthulhu! Ia! Ia!

If you do not hail Cthulhu then you are a suicidal idiot!


Worst case scenario, you get eaten last.
 
2017-04-20 07:16:36 AM  
www.dudeism.com
 
2017-04-20 07:23:18 AM  

eyeq360: All hail Cthulhu! Ia! Ia!


Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
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