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(CBS Sports)   To the left, the NFL coaches are ranked. To the right, a calm and rational discussion debating Andy Reid's position as the 3rd best coach in the league   ( cbssports.com) divider line
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2017-04-19 07:31:30 PM  
ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughharder.jpg
 
2017-04-19 07:34:10 PM  
I had a better headline, but I lost track of the clock and I gotta go
 
2017-04-19 07:44:55 PM  
Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.
 
2017-04-19 07:54:20 PM  
Pete Carroll should be #2. McCarthy.... damn you,McCarthy....
 
2017-04-19 08:37:36 PM  

nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.


Every time I get frustrated with Omar I just think about who might be able to replace him effectively.

I think he generally underachieves, fails to prepare the team, and doesn't watch the game until film session. But who is going to do any of those things better?
 
2017-04-19 08:45:40 PM  

slykens1: nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

Every time I get frustrated with Omar I just think about who might be able to replace him effectively.

I think he generally underachieves, fails to prepare the team, and doesn't watch the game until film session. But who is going to do any of those things better?


Nobody that anyone has ever heard of, that's for sure. But then again, it's not like he, Cowher or even Noll were household names when they were hired.
 
2017-04-19 08:56:04 PM  
Where would Belichick have wound up if Bledsoe never got hurt? I couldn't imagine him sitting Drew for Brady, no matter how many more games Bledsoe would lose in the 4th quarter.

Bledsoe = great arm, but shiatty field decision skills.
 
2017-04-19 08:57:07 PM  
Andy Reid's ranked 3rd? I see somebody was celebrating 4/20 a bit early
 
2017-04-19 09:05:14 PM  
Why does O'Brien keep getting credit for getting so much out of the team "without a franchise passer." He was brought on because the Texans were "a QB away from the Super Bowl" (the 2013 season notwithstanding) and he was supposed to be some kind of quarterback whisperer. The QB situation has gotten progressively worse every single year since O'Brien was hired. You had ONE job!
 
2017-04-19 09:11:24 PM  

nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.


You haven't yet made a case for it making sense him at #5.

Him being with an org that doesn't change coaches often is not a selling point for him being good.   In fact, it could be interpreted the opposite.
 
2017-04-19 09:12:16 PM  

skinink: Where would Belichick have wound up if Bledsoe never got hurt? I couldn't imagine him sitting Drew for Brady, no matter how many more games Bledsoe would lose in the 4th quarter.

Bledsoe = great arm, but shiatty field decision skills.


Another one of those great 'what if' scenarios...

What if the Browns never moved to Baltimore and Belicheck never left the Browns?

What if I'm bored of doing "what if" questions by the 2nd question?

/one slash and go
 
2017-04-19 09:29:15 PM  
Wait, time out... Andy Reid is third?!
 
2017-04-19 09:29:49 PM  

smd31: skinink: Where would Belichick have wound up if Bledsoe never got hurt? I couldn't imagine him sitting Drew for Brady, no matter how many more games Bledsoe would lose in the 4th quarter.

Bledsoe = great arm, but shiatty field decision skills.

Another one of those great 'what if' scenarios...

What if the Browns never moved to Baltimore and Belicheck never left the Browns?

What if I'm bored of doing "what if" questions by the 2nd question?

/one slash and go


What if you just let the question lay instead of you acting like a crotchety old man yelling at the clouds? Sorry if you hate "What if?" questions. No need to get nasty over it.
 
2017-04-19 09:36:10 PM  
McCarthy is 2nd? The guy who refuses to fire Zook or Capers?  Fark him with a rusty machete.  No goddamn way Packers have only one ring in Rodgers time starting. Not to mention his crap playcalling and constant burning of timeouts
 
2017-04-19 09:47:10 PM  

eagles95: McCarthy is 2nd? The guy who refuses to fire Zook or Capers?  Fark him with a rusty machete.  No goddamn way Packers have only one ring in Rodgers time starting. Not to mention his crap playcalling and constant burning of timeouts


But he's won a lot while only having had two of the best QBs in NFL history and a division of also-ran franchises! Legend!
 
2017-04-19 09:52:08 PM  

T.rex: nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

You haven't yet made a case for it making sense him at #5.

Him being with an org that doesn't change coaches often is not a selling point for him being good.   In fact, it could be interpreted the opposite.


How many superb owl rings do you have?
 
2017-04-19 10:06:51 PM  
Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan
 
2017-04-19 10:08:26 PM  
Come on Subs, McCarthy at #2 is far more egregious than Reid at #3.
 
2017-04-19 10:12:23 PM  
Adam Gase, Bill O'Brien over Jason Garrett? Garrett took over an old, past its prime team and kept it in contention for 3 years while he rebuilt it until he had a breakthrough 3 seasons ago. And if romo hadn't gone down , he would have 3 straight double digit win season.
 Bah! Bah I say!
 
2017-04-19 10:13:48 PM  
Much as I like ragging on Jim Caldwell, there is no way he should be ranked 4th in his division. Particularly after last year, when we lost Megatron and our only actual offensive strategy went out the window, yet we still made the playoffs and should have won the division.
 
2017-04-19 10:16:17 PM  
Overrated: Gase, Arians, O'Brien, Pagano, Lewis, GARRETT - maybe Fox.
Underrated: QUINN, Del Rio
 
2017-04-19 10:21:23 PM  

drewsclues: Come on Subs, McCarthy at #2 is far more egregious than Reid at #3.


"Let's state the facts: I'm a highly successful NFL coach."

Mike, I don't disagree with you, but why does your defense consistently lose games while your defensive coordinator retains his job?  And yes, personnel is a factor, Ted.  Between the three of you, you have managed one Super Bowl out of Aaron Rodgers.  Figure it out, you assholes.
 
2017-04-19 10:22:51 PM  

nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.


of coaches who tripped opposing players?  he's an idiot
 
2017-04-19 10:26:05 PM  
So we are blaming the OC for passing on the big Super Bowl play?  Because that was the stupidest call in NFL history
 
2017-04-19 10:33:58 PM  

MNguy: So we are blaming the OC for passing on the big Super Bowl play?  Because that was the stupidest call in NFL history


Yes, because the OC calls the plays, not the defensive a minded HC.
 
2017-04-19 10:38:28 PM  

MNguy: So we are blaming the OC for passing on the big Super Bowl play?  Because that was the stupidest call in NFL history


I think calling a pass play while you're in field goal range when your team has been blowing a 25 point lead in the 4th quarter is stupider play calling.
 
2017-04-19 11:08:58 PM  

MNguy: nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

of coaches who tripped opposing players?  he's an idiot


You have a video showing an actual trip?  No doubt it was a stone stupid thing to do which deserved a one game suspension.  Talk facts or join the cheer leading squad.
 
2017-04-19 11:15:15 PM  
Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown are better than fully half of these bozos and they've been dead for decades.
 
2017-04-19 11:17:08 PM  

IAmRight: eagles95: McCarthy is 2nd? The guy who refuses to fire Zook or Capers?  Fark him with a rusty machete.  No goddamn way Packers have only one ring in Rodgers time starting. Not to mention his crap playcalling and constant burning of timeouts

But he's won a lot while only having had two of the best QBs in NFL history and a division of also-ran franchises! Legend!


Rodgers is amazing but Favre was crap warmed over.
 
2017-04-19 11:19:01 PM  

Techhell: Much as I like ragging on Jim Caldwell, there is no way he should be ranked 4th in his division. Particularly after last year, when we lost Megatron and our only actual offensive strategy went out the window, yet we still made the playoffs and should have won the division.


Here's the thing about Caldwell - other than Stafford, the team is a bunch of below average talent guys. He gets them to play over their head. Yeah, he makes stupid in-game decisions at times but he's one of the best motivators in the league.
 
2017-04-19 11:55:46 PM  

meanmutton: Techhell: Much as I like ragging on Jim Caldwell, there is no way he should be ranked 4th in his division. Particularly after last year, when we lost Megatron and our only actual offensive strategy went out the window, yet we still made the playoffs and should have won the division.

Here's the thing about Caldwell - other than Stafford, the team is a bunch of below average talent guys. He gets them to play over their head. Yeah, he makes stupid in-game decisions at times but he's one of the best motivators in the league.


Agreed, kinda - they've got a few other talented people (Tate, Slay, Ansah, Abdullah) but most of the rest would fight to start anywhere else. Then people go "Maybe they are that good!" and when they're not... Caldwell looks terrible.
 
2017-04-20 12:26:47 AM  

teto85: Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown are better than fully half of these bozos and they've been dead for decades.


This statement fails on a billion levels because of how literally obvious it is.
 
2017-04-20 12:36:04 AM  

MNguy: So we are blaming the OC for passing on the big Super Bowl play?  Because that was the stupidest call in NFL history


No it wasn't.  It was the worst outcome.  NE passed on first down against ATL late and it was almost picked.  Inch or two in either case and you have different results.
 
2017-04-20 01:15:27 AM  
Couldn't tell you but I did learn that CBS Sports sucks on mobile.
 
2017-04-20 03:15:24 AM  
I love Andy Reid, and I always will.

To this day I have dreams of burying my head between his mammoth man-boobs as if he were Big Bob Paulsen, and soaking his Chiefs shirt with my tears as I hug him and explain I would never in a million years chant "Fire Andy" at the Linc.

That said, I must admit he had shiatty clock management. <3 Andy. Win it all just one time for your kid who OD'd at Eagles training camp.
 
2017-04-20 03:51:00 AM  
Andrew Reid? The chubby giant?

Andrew Reid
 
2017-04-20 07:22:01 AM  
Where's Mike Tice?
 
2017-04-20 07:58:09 AM  

eyeq360: Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan


I'm an Eagles fan, and in all the time he spent with the team he was horrendous at clock management.  Has he gotten any better?
 
2017-04-20 08:34:33 AM  

skinink: smd31: skinink: Where would Belichick have wound up if Bledsoe never got hurt? I couldn't imagine him sitting Drew for Brady, no matter how many more games Bledsoe would lose in the 4th quarter.

Bledsoe = great arm, but shiatty field decision skills.

Another one of those great 'what if' scenarios...

What if the Browns never moved to Baltimore and Belicheck never left the Browns?

What if I'm bored of doing "what if" questions by the 2nd question?

/one slash and go

What if you just let the question lay instead of you acting like a crotchety old man yelling at the clouds? Sorry if you hate "What if?" questions. No need to get nasty over it.


Nasty?!  *scratches head*  I wasn't being nasty at all, I was enjoying it/relating to it I thought.

/didn't mean to sound nasty  :|
 
2017-04-20 08:36:33 AM  

eyeq360: Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan


Andy Reid's career record is 173-114 with only 3 losing seasons out of 18. that's damn good coaching
 
2017-04-20 08:48:50 AM  

nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

3 head coaches in 49 years

 
2017-04-20 09:46:43 AM  
Obviously, being ranked 5th is where we are. The standard is the standard. We will learn from this and move on.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2017-04-20 09:49:22 AM  

skinink: Where would Belichick have wound up if Bledsoe never got hurt? I couldn't imagine him sitting Drew for Brady, no matter how many more games Bledsoe would lose in the 4th quarter.

Bledsoe = great arm, but shiatty field decision skills.


yeah, but he almost did. Bledsoe got rocked in the Jets game, Brady came in and took them to the playoffs. Brady got jacked up and Bledsoe came in to win the AFC title game against the Steelers. Then it actually was a question about who was going to start against the Rams in the SB. (for about a day - once it was confirmed Brady's ankle was good he was named the starter).

Beldsoe's problem was that he had zero touch. He could throw 60 yards down field like a missile, but then he'd throw at that same speed on a slant route for 7 yards out of the backfield.
 
2017-04-20 10:19:28 AM  

SuperChuck: eyeq360: Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan

Andy Reid's career record is 173-114 with only 3 losing seasons out of 18. that's damn good coaching


he's also 11-12 in the playoffs over 18 seasons, and only has 1 playoff win since 2009 (and that was against a weak Texans team).  Reid can build a winner in the regular season, but can't coach a playoff game if his life depended on it.  He's a lot like Marvin Lewis - can build a team and win during the season, but once it's all on the line - he flops.  Bizarre play calls, bad clock management, poor challenges, and his team gives up.  the Eagles could have been the team of the 00's - they had all the talent to make that happen, but Reid's failure in big games stopped them short every year.

Reid's a better coach than a lot of guys that cycle through the league, but they don't hand out trophies to teams that win the regular season.
 
2017-04-20 10:22:35 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: I'm an Eagles fan, and in all the time he spent with the team he was horrendous at clock management. Has he gotten any better?


No.

See Chiefs v. Patriots 1/20/16
 
2017-04-20 11:54:57 AM  
McCarthy at #2? Right. As someone else stated, the guy has had two of the best QBs in NFL history and he has a playoff record of 10-8. He can't call plays to save his life. His clock management sucks. Give him a second tier QB and he never has a winning season. Realistically, he may be a decent regular season coach, but he is, IMO, the worst post-season coach currently in the NFL, and I can't see how that is debatable. Hell, just the disaster 4th quarter meltdown with Seattle and last season's blow out loss to Atlanta can earn him that title.
 
2017-04-20 01:54:11 PM  

nekom: T.rex: nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

You haven't yet made a case for it making sense him at #5.

Him being with an org that doesn't change coaches often is not a selling point for him being good.   In fact, it could be interpreted the opposite.

How many superb owl rings do you have?


I have zero.   my team has zero.     Tomlin as a few (i think) but again, you've noted he is part of a stable organization, and one can make the arguement he is just along for the ride.    One of those rings for sure, can be argued was with a roster (and culture) entirely built by Bill Cowher.
 
2017-04-20 05:54:08 PM  

SuperChuck: eyeq360: Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan

Andy Reid's career record is 173-114 with only 3 losing seasons out of 18. that's damn good coaching


Granted, he has a good win record, but that doesn't make him #3. His postseason record is terrible when you consider some of the talent he's had. He has suspect time management skills while in Philly and KC, and during both the regular season and postseason, Ried and his staff have made questionable play calls. Like not playing a two minute offence in the 4th quarter, calling pass plays when you have one of the best rushing offences in the NFL, and many other game-losing or game-changing calls.
Andy Ried is a nice guy and a good coach, but #3, not so much.
 
2017-04-20 08:48:18 PM  

T.rex: nekom: T.rex: nekom: Tomlin at #5 makes sense.  He's been good.  And he's with an organization that does NOT change head coaches often.  He's in some stellar company.

You haven't yet made a case for it making sense him at #5.

Him being with an org that doesn't change coaches often is not a selling point for him being good.   In fact, it could be interpreted the opposite.

How many superb owl rings do you have?

I have zero.   my team has zero.     Tomlin as a few (i think) but again, you've noted he is part of a stable organization, and one can make the arguement he is just along for the ride.    One of those rings for sure, can be argued was with a roster (and culture) entirely built by Bill Cowher.


And Cowher finished 8-8 in his last season with that roster (and culture)
 
2017-04-20 09:20:28 PM  

eyeq360: SuperChuck: eyeq360: Andy Ried is #3? Maybe in an all you can eat buffet line. Or in the number of BBQ places visited. Not in a list of best NFL coaches.
/KC Chiefs fan

Andy Reid's career record is 173-114 with only 3 losing seasons out of 18. that's damn good coaching

Granted, he has a good win record, but that doesn't make him #3. His postseason record is terrible when you consider some of the talent he's had. He has suspect time management skills while in Philly and KC, and during both the regular season and postseason, Ried and his staff have made questionable play calls. Like not playing a two minute offence in the 4th quarter, calling pass plays when you have one of the best rushing offences in the NFL, and many other game-losing or game-changing calls.
Andy Ried is a nice guy and a good coach, but #3, not so much.


Depends on how you look at things.  He's had more consistent success than pretty much every other coach below him on that list.  He did this while taking over for 2 teams that were completely in the doldrums before he got there (remember, both the Eagles and Chiefs were among the top 3 worst teams in the league before he joined them).  Sure, he's been blessed with talented teams, but it does take a pretty darn good coach to make bottom-feeder teams into consistent winners.

Does he drive people like me, who follows both the Eagles and Chiefs, absolutely bonkers?  Yup.  But I also know he's among the best at getting the most out of his players.  Football's a lot more than being good on Sundays- Reid's certainly among the top 3 coaches from Monday to Saturday, and that's gotten him and his teams really far.  You just don't find that kind of sustained success anymore, and you have to think, at some point, that'll get him a Super Bowl win, even if by accident, someday.
 
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