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(Washington Post)   Ever wonder what it takes to be voted "worst umpire in the MLB" 3 times? Let C.B. Bucknor show you   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-04-19 11:48:37 AM  
"Foul Tip"
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"Called Strike Out"
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2017-04-19 12:40:24 PM  
I was watching the Braves broadcast of that game. Chip is usually pretty reserved in his criticism of umpires, but Joe Simpson is not. He has been all over C.B. Bucknor for years, and last night was no exception. "How he is still a Major League umpire is beyond me!" He's right, too. When Bucknor is behind the plate, there's no telling what will be called a ball and what's a strike. He is a terrible umpire. He's worse than Angel Hernandez.
 
2017-04-19 01:26:28 PM  
That's a strange way of spelling "Joe West."
 
2017-04-19 01:31:28 PM  
He's never been the same since allowing that grounder to Mookie Wilson.
 
2017-04-19 01:31:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I was watching the Braves broadcast of that game. Chip is usually pretty reserved in his criticism of umpires, but Joe Simpson is not. He has been all over C.B. Bucknor for years, and last night was no exception. "How he is still a Major League umpire is beyond me!" He's right, too. When Bucknor is behind the plate, there's no telling what will be called a ball and what's a strike. He is a terrible umpire. He's worse than Angel Hernandez.


Too soon!
 
2017-04-19 01:31:55 PM  
Should be reason enough to be able to challenge balls and strikes...Because 6 hour games is what I'm looking for

/fire this guy or something
 
2017-04-19 01:42:06 PM  
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He's been at it a long time. The only thing I like about him is his punch-out move... barely.
 
2017-04-19 01:48:27 PM  

nmrsnr: "Foul Tip"
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"Called Strike Out"
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I mean, a photo doesn't really work for foul tip being a bad call. Maybe it already got tipped.

As for the second one...while nothing was a strike, that's a pretty good grouping. Probably worth swinging at the last one if the others were called strikes.
 
2017-04-19 01:50:58 PM  
 
2017-04-19 01:53:46 PM  

IAmRight: nmrsnr: "Foul Tip"
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"Called Strike Out"
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I mean, a photo doesn't really work for foul tip being a bad call. Maybe it already got tipped.


You could just watch the 5 second video in the article. It doesn't make the ump look any better. Or you could just speculate about the picture.

As for the second one...while nothing was a strike, that's a pretty good grouping. Probably worth swinging at the last one if the others were called strikes.

Wow, that's just, wow. Are you related to Bucknor or something? Being reliably wrong about strikes doesn't make him right.
 
2017-04-19 01:56:21 PM  
That was Eric Gregg in the '97 playoffs against the Braves bad.
 
2017-04-19 01:59:27 PM  
"I mean, you're supposed to be a major league umpire, which means you're the best of the best."

Somebody has to be the worst of the best of the best.
 
2017-04-19 02:07:52 PM  

Howling Fantods: IAmRight: nmrsnr: "Foul Tip"
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"Called Strike Out"
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I mean, a photo doesn't really work for foul tip being a bad call. Maybe it already got tipped.

You could just watch the 5 second video in the article. It doesn't make the ump look any better. Or you could just speculate about the picture.

As for the second one...while nothing was a strike, that's a pretty good grouping. Probably worth swinging at the last one if the others were called strikes.

Wow, that's just, wow. Are you related to Bucknor or something? Being reliably wrong about strikes doesn't make him right.


Sorry, I dont watch baseball until Game 7 of the World Series. That includes clips.

As for the other thing, it's not defending the bad calls, but that's sports. If an ump is calling a pitch a strike over and over again, then you should probably swing at it eventually, even if it's not a strike in your eyes.
 
2017-04-19 02:11:47 PM  
He will be Exhibit - A when the Trial for Computerized Balls and Strikes is being argued.  Not that its relevant in this case but as has been shown statistically and repeatedly the strike zone is highly variable by batter, umpire, pitch, count and game situation.

Leave them back there, put a buzzer on their hip that buzzes when a pitch is a strike - takes the computers about 1/1000 a second to track the pitch through the strike zone and that buzzer could be sounding even before the umpires brain figures out what he "thinks" he saw.
 
2017-04-19 02:14:22 PM  

IAmRight: As for the other thing, it's not defending the bad calls, but that's sports. If an ump is calling a pitch a strike over and over again, then you should probably swing at it eventually, even if it's not a strike in your eyes.


This is actually correct. It's not "right", but its correct.
 
2017-04-19 02:19:00 PM  

UNC_Samurai: That's a strange way of spelling "Joe West."


CSB:
I play in a shiatty summer slow-pitch softball league.  The umpires they hire treat their jobs like they are in the majors.  There is one ump that is younger and has a good sense of humor about people trying to mess with him.  He was behind the plate and called a ball that missed the plate a strike.  I made some comment about "Athens importing Joe West for softball games."  The ump smirked and admitted it was a bad call (that didn't impact the game at all).
One of the other umpires heard my comment and tossed me from the game the next inning.  He said it was in the rules to not insult the umpires.  Since that is what I did, I was tossed from the game.
/End CSB
 
2017-04-19 02:25:53 PM  

APO_Buddha: UNC_Samurai: That's a strange way of spelling "Joe West."

CSB:
I play in a shiatty summer slow-pitch softball league.  The umpires they hire treat their jobs like they are in the majors.  There is one ump that is younger and has a good sense of humor about people trying to mess with him.  He was behind the plate and called a ball that missed the plate a strike.  I made some comment about "Athens importing Joe West for softball games."  The ump smirked and admitted it was a bad call (that didn't impact the game at all).
One of the other umpires heard my comment and tossed me from the game the next inning.  He said it was in the rules to not insult the umpires.  Since that is what I did, I was tossed from the game.
/End CSB


Sounds like the kind of prick that loves West.  I've got a few people on my board of directors that knew West when he was only ruining high school games around here.  Dude was just as much of an asshole then.

I can only assume he knows how to get pictures of the right people with goats.
 
2017-04-19 02:30:29 PM  
1986 Ray Knight vs Eric Davis Fight - BRAWL
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Oh oh. He got Ray Knight mad. You don't want to piss off Ray Knight.
 
2017-04-19 03:06:09 PM  

bighairyguy: Sin_City_Superhero: I was watching the Braves broadcast of that game. Chip is usually pretty reserved in his criticism of umpires, but Joe Simpson is not. He has been all over C.B. Bucknor for years, and last night was no exception. "How he is still a Major League umpire is beyond me!" He's right, too. When Bucknor is behind the plate, there's no telling what will be called a ball and what's a strike. He is a terrible umpire. He's worse than Angel Hernandez.

Too soon!


You win the thread!
 
2017-04-19 03:16:52 PM  
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2017-04-19 03:34:31 PM  

IAmRight: As for the other thing, it's not defending the bad calls, but that's sports. If an ump is calling a pitch a strike over and over again, then you should probably swing at it eventually, even if it's not a strike in your eyes.


I get that you should play with what the umpire is giving you but it needs to be within reasonable limits. If he's calling strikes in the dirt every time you shouldn't start swinging at balls rolled to the plate. The ump can't completely change what a strikezone means.

This isn't Nam, this is baseball! There are rules!
 
2017-04-19 03:54:37 PM  
That was a horrible call, but I'm trying to figure out how the ump missed it.  Perhaps the catcher's mitt blocked the ump's view since the pitch was wide and low?
/ Regardless, it was a horrible call.
 
2017-04-19 04:14:12 PM  

Fizpez: He will be Exhibit - A when the Trial for Computerized Balls and Strikes is being argued.  Not that its relevant in this case but as has been shown statistically and repeatedly the strike zone is highly variable by batter, umpire, pitch, count and game situation.

Leave them back there, put a buzzer on their hip that buzzes when a pitch is a strike - takes the computers about 1/1000 a second to track the pitch through the strike zone and that buzzer could be sounding even before the umpires brain figures out what he "thinks" he saw.


Agreed  A simple mass of random error is acceptable - borderlines not quite always being called correctly.  That's understandable, forgivable, and human.  In some ways, it's entertaining.  Random error is perfectly ok.

But once the evidence demonstrated that the strike zone radically shifts in composition from 3-0 to 0-2 counts, it's just umpires making themselves the arbiters or drama, and shifting game on their own whims.  That's affirmatively manipulating the game.  That's crap.  Leave that to basketball refs.
 
2017-04-19 04:37:05 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: hen Bucknor is behind the plate, there's no telling what will be called a ball and what's a strike. He is a terrible umpire. He's worse than Angel Hernandez.



he sucks at any position on the field.  i've seen him start jawing at players / pitchers from first or second.  he loves getting his camera time.  wholly aside from just being bad at this job, he feels the need to inject himself into the game.  i read a story about this earlier today, perhaps Deadspin, whomever, and the article ended something like "once again, last night, CB Bucknor felt it necessary to remind 23,678 people that they paid money to watch him work."  that's his mentality.
 
2017-04-19 04:43:54 PM  
The bigger question is why his performance hasn't affected the fact that he's an umpire paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

I'm not advocating racking and stacking and getting rid of the bottom X umpires or something. If all the umpires are doing a good job then you keep them all. But there are a few that aren't just legendary for a few bad calls but for inventing calls out of thin air and doing it repeatedly. If someone is consistently ranked in the bottom of the league in their calls there are dozens of AAA umpires that could take their place. The best AAA ump is probably better than half the existing MLB ones, and has to wait a decade to even have a shot because they umpires almost never retire or get fired.
 
2017-04-19 04:53:56 PM  

IAmRight: Howling Fantods: IAmRight: nmrsnr: "Foul Tip"
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"Called Strike Out"
[img.fark.net image 850x476]

I mean, a photo doesn't really work for foul tip being a bad call. Maybe it already got tipped.

You could just watch the 5 second video in the article. It doesn't make the ump look any better. Or you could just speculate about the picture.

As for the second one...while nothing was a strike, that's a pretty good grouping. Probably worth swinging at the last one if the others were called strikes.

Wow, that's just, wow. Are you related to Bucknor or something? Being reliably wrong about strikes doesn't make him right.

Sorry, I dont watch baseball until Game 7 of the World Series. That includes clips.

As for the other thing, it's not defending the bad calls, but that's sports. If an ump is calling a pitch a strike over and over again, then you should probably swing at it eventually, even if it's not a strike in your eyes.


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Bucknor is the cancer that is killing MLB
 
2017-04-19 04:56:42 PM  
I watched the game. It was horrendous. Like, just a terrible display of incompetence. It makes me wonder how people keep their jobs when they are THAT unsuited to do even the most basic of the required tasks.

...but enough about the Nats bullpen.
 
2017-04-19 04:58:40 PM  
the strike zone is defined by rule. it would be nice if the commish reminded the umpire's union of that fact
 
2017-04-19 05:19:42 PM  
cb bucknor was great in The Shining, but man he sucks as an umpire
 
2017-04-19 05:20:38 PM  
blame Treinen - the game should've been over long before that
 
2017-04-19 05:37:17 PM  

cmunic8r99: [img.fark.net image 250x167]


Too soon man.

Also, Joyce manned the fark up and admitted within minutes of the game ending that he farked it up.
 
2017-04-19 05:38:37 PM  

Khellendros: Fizpez: He will be Exhibit - A when the Trial for Computerized Balls and Strikes is being argued.  Not that its relevant in this case but as has been shown statistically and repeatedly the strike zone is highly variable by batter, umpire, pitch, count and game situation.

Leave them back there, put a buzzer on their hip that buzzes when a pitch is a strike - takes the computers about 1/1000 a second to track the pitch through the strike zone and that buzzer could be sounding even before the umpires brain figures out what he "thinks" he saw.

Agreed  A simple mass of random error is acceptable - borderlines not quite always being called correctly.  That's understandable, forgivable, and human.  In some ways, it's entertaining.  Random error is perfectly ok.

But once the evidence demonstrated that the strike zone radically shifts in composition from 3-0 to 0-2 counts, it's just umpires making themselves the arbiters or drama, and shifting game on their own whims.  That's affirmatively manipulating the game.  That's crap.  Leave that to basketball refs.


+++ for both. What I really want is for the strike zone to actually be called, especially when it comes to higher pitches. Bellybutton height is right in the sweet spot of the strike zone, but umpires seem unaware of that possibility.
 
2017-04-19 05:42:36 PM  

Johnny Rockets: cmunic8r99: [img.fark.net image 250x167]

Too soon man.

Also, Joyce manned the fark up and admitted within minutes of the game ending that he farked it up.


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2017-04-19 05:52:55 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I was watching the Braves broadcast of that game. Chip is usually pretty reserved in his criticism of umpires, but Joe Simpson is not. He has been all over C.B. Bucknor for years, and last night was no exception. "How he is still a Major League umpire is beyond me!" He's right, too. When Bucknor is behind the plate, there's no telling what will be called a ball and what's a strike. He is a terrible umpire. He's worse than Angel Hernandez.


he hung one low over home too?
 
2017-04-19 06:25:40 PM  
With all the ideas to speed up the ballgame, maybe counting fouls ad strike three instead of letting them hit them away forever would help. (Tangentially related)
 
2017-04-19 07:00:23 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: With all the ideas to speed up the ballgame, maybe counting fouls ad strike three instead of letting them hit them away forever would help. (Tangentially related)


Stop.
 
2017-04-19 11:41:29 PM  

Ball of Confusion: the strike zone is defined by rule. it would be nice if the commish reminded the umpire's union of that fact


I've never seen an umpire call the strike zone as it's written in the books, and in all those years the rules committee still hasn't rewritten the rule to reflect how they actually do call it.

That's not the situation here, though. He missed a call on a swinging strike.
 
2017-04-20 12:46:22 AM  
If an umpire is named worst at his job three years running, and he's still playing in the fourth, that is not his fault.  It is the league's fault. It is the union's fault.  Sit this man out.  Now.  Not an argument.  Not open to discussion.  Sit.  Him.  Out.
 
2017-04-20 01:12:19 AM  

rjakobi: If an umpire is named worst at his job three years running, and he's still playing in the fourth, that is not his fault.  It is the league's fault. It is the union's fault.  Sit this man out.  Now.  Not an argument.  Not open to discussion.  Sit.  Him.  Out.


Popular opinion is irrelevant. The technology is there to put hard numbers on how well umpires do their jobs. Multiply ball/strike call accuracy by the percentage of challenged calls that are upheld and fire the bottom ten every season. Weed out the bad umpires, but on the other end of the spectrum, allow the top six to call the World Series and the next year's All Star Game and give #1 a trophy. It's a thankless job almost by definition, and the best should get recognition.
 
2017-04-20 02:24:17 AM  
Here is why baseball games take too long: relief pitchers and commercials. If you aren't changing that, don't bother.

Also CB called a hilariously obvious trap a catch tonight but thankfully he got overruled.
 
2017-04-20 02:32:03 AM  

damageddude: [YouTube video]
Oh oh. He got Ray Knight mad. You don't want to piss off Ray Knight.


Ah the days when real men played sports instead of these video game Warrior kids littering the field today.
 
2017-04-20 09:46:56 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Here is why baseball games take too long: relief pitchers and commercials. If you aren't changing that, don't bother.


That's half.  The other half is the time between pitches.  When you have a 9 pitch at bat, and between each pitch you have the batter step out of the box, adjust the Velcro on each glove, adjust the grip on his bat, spit, adjust his cup, spit again, recheck his grip, step into the box, adjust his helmet, touch home plate with his bat, take two or three level swings, flex his knees and bounce up and down for some reason, then crouch into a ridiculous batting stance, then wait the pitcher to get the sign, come to position, check first base, then hold for a moment... until the batter calls time and steps out of the box to start it all over again...

Do this for a nine pitch at bat, and it just drags the game.  If the score is close, it's late innings, or it's a playoff game, the time increases by a third, minimum.  Commercials and relief pitchers are the other half of the problem, but we've got to stop batters from stepping out and ensuring that pitchers are delivering the ball in a reasonable amount of time.
 
2017-04-20 12:16:54 PM  

Ball of Confusion: the strike zone is defined by rule. it would be nice if the commish reminded the umpire's union of that fact


I'm not defending shiatty calls, which by definition are shiatty. But a few thoughts.

1) Baseball's "unwritten rules" aren't as egregious as in some sports--basketball with fouls called as the rule book describes them would be the weirdest farking thing you've ever seen--but they're there and everyone knows them better than they know the actual rules. So the rule says that the strike zone ends halfway between the top of your shoulders and the top of your pants, but every umpire you've ever had since Little League has called anything above your belly button a ball. What's the harm?

But let's say you're a stickler for the written rules. Fair enough, reasonable people can disagree. Which brings me to my second point.

2) You're deliberately asking the Commissioner of Major League Baseball to take an action related to the actual sport of baseball. I guarantee you that would not end well.
 
2017-04-20 04:12:16 PM  

rickythepenguin: he sucks at any position on the field


me, 23 hours ago.

guess what ol CB did last night, from i think 3rd base?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cb-bucknor-almost-blows-another-call-sav​e​d-fellow-umpires-153618603.html
 
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