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2017-04-19 11:41:45 AM  
Well, they did fork it.

I wonder how much that guy got paid for that opinion... I feel I've made terrible life choices when the only skill this person has is taking screen shots of his phone.
 
2017-04-19 12:19:44 PM  
...the 2017 version of Samsung's TouchWiz brings its software design right up to the high standard of its hardware.

Great

/Does that mean the OS will spontaneously combust, too?
 
2017-04-19 12:27:09 PM  
TouchWiz: when you give a urine sample
 
2017-04-19 01:28:19 PM  
Great. Now make a flagship phone with a removable battery and card reader.
 
2017-04-19 01:30:25 PM  
And it's still ugly.
 
2017-04-19 01:42:03 PM  
I'll stick with HTC, thanks
 
2017-04-19 01:44:05 PM  
That guy wants to have sex with his phone.
 
2017-04-19 01:48:09 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks


Thanks - I'm with you
 
2017-04-19 01:50:17 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks


I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.
 
2017-04-19 01:57:25 PM  
Pure Android all the way.

I'm glad that they are going to separate TouchWiz from Android. Too many people in the world think that bloat is part of Android.
 
2017-04-19 02:06:47 PM  
Well, according to the ruler on that phone. I am a solid 3.5 inches.
 
2017-04-19 02:09:09 PM  
If I hadn't found "Google Now", my samsung tablet was headed in for a return. Touchwiz, and all things Samsung suck. I don't know why all of the Android based phones insist on ruining the best OS on the market.

Get a Nexus or Iphone, be happy with your purchase. Otherwise, you're on your own.
 
2017-04-19 02:14:26 PM  

dirkfunk: If I hadn't found "Google Now", my samsung tablet was headed in for a return. Touchwiz, and all things Samsung suck. I don't know why all of the Android based phones insist on ruining the best OS on the market.

Get a Nexus or Iphone, be happy with your purchase. Otherwise, you're on your own.


---
Is 'google now' the one that has you say "OK Google'' to start it up?
 
2017-04-19 02:15:31 PM  

Farking Canuck: Pure Android all the way.

I'm glad that they are going to separate TouchWiz from Android. Too many people in the world think that bloat is part of Android.


Unfortunately the story from yesterday says that Samsung's new AI will be locked in and the button is unremovable. So it looks like they've just replaced TouchWiz's annoyance with a new one.
 
2017-04-19 02:30:25 PM  
The new TouchWiz looks beautiful, that's for sure.

However, some of the review videos still showed a crazy amount of lag when responding to a swipe. Not acceptable.

Plus, I don't need all the extra Samsung bloatware that just duplicates all the stock apps I'd normally get.

My current phone is a Samsung S3, which is badly in need of an upgrade. I'm tired of Samsung and Rogers getting in the way of android updates. I think I will go with the Pixel next.
 
2017-04-19 02:38:30 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.


Nice, I had an M8 for windows forever and only gave it up because they stopped supporting that model for the W10 builds and it defaulted back to 8. Now I have an M9 running the square home launcher. Wife has a HTC 10 and loves it.

/all 3 take fantastic pictures
 
2017-04-19 02:39:34 PM  
This guy really loves his phone. I thought I was reading about a completely different product based on his verbiage.
 
2017-04-19 02:40:33 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.

Nice, I had an M8 for windows forever and only gave it up because they stopped supporting that model for the W10 builds and it defaulted back to 8. Now I have an M9 running the square home launcher. Wife has a HTC 10 and loves it.

/all 3 take fantastic pictures


My M8 served me well, but the screen recently shattered. I'm getting either an HTC 11 or LG G6 in a few weeks.

Yeah, the camera is always excellent with HTC phones.
 
2017-04-19 02:41:53 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.


So YOU'RE the other Farker on W10 phone!

HI!

/Nokia 950XL
 
2017-04-19 02:47:20 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.

So YOU'RE the other Farker on W10 phone!

HI!

/Nokia 950XL


Lol I feel left out of the club now.
 
2017-04-19 02:48:52 PM  
Windows phone user here, too. I haven't updated it to 10, yet. I'm probably not going to. It's 8.1, I'm pretty sure? It's the only Windows OS in the house. I love it. Ain't nobody writing malware for my phone.

Anyhow, didn't Samsung have Tizen? Not that I've ever heard a good word about it, except that it's a RTOS, but I thought they were happily keeping that alive and still selling it?

IIRC, and I'm not an embedded developer, Tizen is also based on the Linux kernel but is not a fork of Android. I almost want to say it actually predates Android, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to look it up.
 
2017-04-19 02:54:58 PM  

nanim: dirkfunk: If I hadn't found "Google Now", my samsung tablet was headed in for a return. Touchwiz, and all things Samsung suck. I don't know why all of the Android based phones insist on ruining the best OS on the market.

Get a Nexus or Iphone, be happy with your purchase. Otherwise, you're on your own.

---
Is 'google now' the one that has you say "OK Google'' to start it up?


I think that is one of the functions that reappears, but mostly it strips off most of the TouchWiz "features". It gives you standard UI movement and layout, but isn't quite back to full Nexus.
 
2017-04-19 02:59:44 PM  
Sure, Subby. Remember when Windows Phone was going to wipe out both iOS and Android? Yeah, I still snicker about that.
 
2017-04-19 03:10:20 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Unfortunately the story from yesterday says that Samsung's new AI will be locked in and the button is unremovable. So it looks like they've just replaced TouchWiz's annoyance with a new one.


I think you misunderstand me. I didn't use touchwiz before and I will certainly not use it in future. So I don't really care what its problem du jour is.

I will switch to a Win10 phone before I go near that bloated crap.
 
2017-04-19 03:15:20 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.


Hilariously, Microsoft has replaced with Windows  10 Mobile phones in their stores with special "Microsoft Edition" Galaxy S8s. Even they don't want people buying Windows 10 Mobile anymore.
 
2017-04-19 03:16:36 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Windows phone user here, too. I haven't updated it to 10, yet. I'm probably not going to. It's 8.1, I'm pretty sure? It's the only Windows OS in the house. I love it. Ain't nobody writing malware for my phone.

Anyhow, didn't Samsung have Tizen? Not that I've ever heard a good word about it, except that it's a RTOS, but I thought they were happily keeping that alive and still selling it?

IIRC, and I'm not an embedded developer, Tizen is also based on the Linux kernel but is not a fork of Android. I almost want to say it actually predates Android, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to look it up.


Yeah, about Tizen...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-wit​h​-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/
 
2017-04-19 03:17:02 PM  
No, not that farking shiat.

My wife has a Samsung and it's all about farking Samsung. Oh right, there's the app store. No, it's Samsung's farking app store. And you can't even delete the mother.

That's why I have a Moto. I'm not sure if it's perfectly pure Android, but it seems close enough to me.
 
2017-04-19 03:26:39 PM  
Since this is a cell phone thread, quick poll:

How is battery life these days?  And charging times?

My 950XL can go two days between charges with normal usage, sometimes three with light usage, and seems to get completely charged in 1 - 2 hours.  Is this comparable to the current Samsung / LG / HTC / Whatever?
 
2017-04-19 03:31:31 PM  
I dropped my S5 after 2 years of crap and switched to the LG V20.  The V20 sports very little bloat ware, great cameras, rear plate fingerprint and is a sturdy running machine.
 
2017-04-19 03:33:14 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Since this is a cell phone thread, quick poll:

How is battery life these days?  And charging times?

My 950XL can go two days between charges with normal usage, sometimes three with light usage, and seems to get completely charged in 1 - 2 hours.  Is this comparable to the current Samsung / LG / HTC / Whatever?


When my Nexus 6p was new it could do 2 days. Now it can do one solid day of heavy use which is still better than average.

It also has rapid charging on a USB-C port which will charge it in a couple of hours but that is not good for the battery so I don't rapid charge very often.

Looking at the specs the two phones are very similar.
 
2017-04-19 03:34:46 PM  

farkeruk: No, not that farking shiat.

My wife has a Samsung and it's all about farking Samsung. Oh right, there's the app store. No, it's Samsung's farking app store. And you can't even delete the mother.

That's why I have a Moto. I'm not sure if it's perfectly pure Android, but it seems close enough to me.


Few people cares about pure Android.  If they did, the Nexus series would be selling in orders of magnitude higher.

Even i users have to put up with the bloatware.  Who the hell wants their Maps, which have led people onto airstrips?  They have to put it into a folder and stow it awaay.  At least Android users get one more than that usually -- they can disable the app inside the settings menu and never see it under normal operation (just using the launcher and homescreen)..

What people want are either function, form, or bargain / price.  Samsung's Galaxy series tends to be the one that pushes the function boundary (magstripe simulator, iris unlocking, amoled, S pen, etc.), even if they never use it -- it's there if they want it.  A couple minutes of re/moving a few icons or downloading a  launcher isn't going to sway these people.  I daresay you never want Samsung was providing anyway, so you'd never buy it to begin with.
 
2017-04-19 03:48:05 PM  

Farking Canuck: I'm glad that they are going to separate TouchWiz from Android. Too many people in the world think that bloat is part of Android.


I wasn't too sure how much of it was until I got my Pixel XL last month. Moving off of a Note 3. The difference is pretty noticeable.

Only gripe I have so far is the Notifications and Ringer volumes not being on 2 different sliders.
 
2017-04-19 03:57:42 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.


I loved my M8, mostly because of those speakers. But I have so many Bluetooth speakers and headphones now that it's not really as important to me. But it sure did sound purty.

I have an S7 Edge now, which I'm happy with too. Very fast, which I like a lot. Certainly faster than the m8, but it's a newer phone so that's not really a knock on the m8. The edge screen thing is pretty, but I find it's a bit too easy to accidentally hit the edges of the screen with your hand while holding it, which can be annoying. I have started using the edge panel though, which is useful once you configure it with the apps you want.
 
2017-04-19 04:09:58 PM  

mongbiohazard: The edge screen thing is pretty, but I find it's a bit too easy to accidentally hit the edges of the screen with your hand while holding it


This drives me nuts on a non-Edge phone which is why I'd never even consider an Edge phone.

I think I may be the only person who wants a larger bezel down the sides just so I can hold the phone without triggering a touch on the screen.

Other people probably don't notice this because they use a phone case ... I don't so that's on me.
 
2017-04-19 04:16:38 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.

So YOU'RE the other Farker on W10 phone!

HI!

/Nokia 950XL


Lumia 650. Basic phone, but the integration with my Windows PC and tablet more than make up for the lack of some other features. Being able to be anywhere and want to check, edit, show someone a Word document I saved the day before on my PC? Just open it on my phone thanks to onedrive and Word mobile. Edit it and save it and when I get back to my PC it's updated.

And Cortana is useful. For an example I had to pick something up from a supplier for someone. As I walked out the door carrying it I took out my phone, pressed Cortana button and said "Text Fred and tell him I've got it" and that's it. Text sent. While walking and using the phone one handed. Far faster and easier than trying to type it.
 
2017-04-19 04:22:41 PM  
Just flashed my nexus 6 with LineageOS last night (Cyanogen Mod is the predecessor). So far I'm digging it.
 
2017-04-19 04:32:36 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: PlaidJaguar: Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.

So YOU'RE the other Farker on W10 phone!

HI!

/Nokia 950XL

Lumia 650. Basic phone, but the integration with my Windows PC and tablet more than make up for the lack of some other features. Being able to be anywhere and want to check, edit, show someone a Word document I saved the day before on my PC? Just open it on my phone thanks to onedrive and Word mobile. Edit it and save it and when I get back to my PC it's updated.

And Cortana is useful. For an example I had to pick something up from a supplier for someone. As I walked out the door carrying it I took out my phone, pressed Cortana button and said "Text Fred and tell him I've got it" and that's it. Text sent. While walking and using the phone one handed. Far faster and easier than trying to type it.


Yeah, I love Cortana's ability to transcribe me speaking into text, though she does punctuate oddly sometimes.

I'm quite annoyed, though, that they removed the mic button from the text message app, presumably in an update a week or two ago; I can still use the Cortana button, but I can't just tap the mic button within the text conversation and speak my message anymore.
 
2017-04-19 04:47:32 PM  

EffervescingElephant: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

Thanks - I'm with you


So you're  those two customers HTC has left from their shiatty products, eh?
 
2017-04-19 04:50:02 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Yeah, I love Cortana's ability to transcribe me speaking into text, though she does punctuate oddly sometimes.

I'm quite annoyed, though, that they removed the mic button from the text message app, presumably in an update a week or two ago; I can still use the Cortana button, but I can't just tap the mic button within the text conversation and speak my message anymore.


I still get the mic icon when the keyboard comes up, ie when you tap on a text box to reply.
 
2017-04-19 04:50:29 PM  

Mad_Radhu: UnspokenVoice: Windows phone user here, too. I haven't updated it to 10, yet. I'm probably not going to. It's 8.1, I'm pretty sure? It's the only Windows OS in the house. I love it. Ain't nobody writing malware for my phone.

Anyhow, didn't Samsung have Tizen? Not that I've ever heard a good word about it, except that it's a RTOS, but I thought they were happily keeping that alive and still selling it?

IIRC, and I'm not an embedded developer, Tizen is also based on the Linux kernel but is not a fork of Android. I almost want to say it actually predates Android, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Yeah, about Tizen...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-with​-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/


Ars is the authority on all things amateurishly written.
 
2017-04-19 04:51:49 PM  

Bullseyed: EffervescingElephant: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

Thanks - I'm with you

So you're  those two customers HTC has left from their shiatty products, eh?


I loved all my HTC phones, the Desire, the One X and the One M8.

HTC never told me I was "holding it wrong"....
 
2017-04-19 04:56:48 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: PlaidJaguar: Yeah, I love Cortana's ability to transcribe me speaking into text, though she does punctuate oddly sometimes.

I'm quite annoyed, though, that they removed the mic button from the text message app, presumably in an update a week or two ago; I can still use the Cortana button, but I can't just tap the mic button within the text conversation and speak my message anymore.

I still get the mic icon when the keyboard comes up, ie when you tap on a text box to reply.


Mine was replaced with an Attachment icon (paperclip) which includes an option for voice-note, but that's an actual voice recording it sends, there's no transcription.

Maybe I can find a setting somewhere...
 
2017-04-19 05:14:08 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Mine was replaced with an Attachment icon (paperclip) which includes an option for voice-note, but that's an actual voice recording it sends, there's no transcription. Maybe I can find a setting somewhere...


I have the paperclip, like this:
img.fark.net

And when I tap on the text box the keyboard come up, with Clipboard and Mic above the QWERTY
 
2017-04-19 05:32:13 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: PlaidJaguar: Mine was replaced with an Attachment icon (paperclip) which includes an option for voice-note, but that's an actual voice recording it sends, there's no transcription. Maybe I can find a setting somewhere...

I have the paperclip, like this:
[img.fark.net image 305x210]

And when I tap on the text box the keyboard come up, with Clipboard and Mic above the QWERTY


Thank you so much.

I took a closer look at my keyboard, and it seems that without my noticing, my it had switched to the Great Britain configuration - this apparently happens if I swipe the spacebar in the keyboard - which doesn't include the mic, presumably because I set my language for American English not British English when I set up voice interface.

I got the keyboard back to US and the mic is back.  Next I'll see if I can remove the quick-change to GB (though I can see how that would be a useful feature if I was actually switching between languages that use different keyboard layouts)
 
2017-04-19 05:36:06 PM  

SleepingEye: farkeruk: No, not that farking shiat.

My wife has a Samsung and it's all about farking Samsung. Oh right, there's the app store. No, it's Samsung's farking app store. And you can't even delete the mother.

That's why I have a Moto. I'm not sure if it's perfectly pure Android, but it seems close enough to me.

Few people cares about pure Android.  If they did, the Nexus series would be selling in orders of magnitude higher.

Even i users have to put up with the bloatware.  Who the hell wants their Maps, which have led people onto airstrips?  They have to put it into a folder and stow it awaay.  At least Android users get one more than that usually -- they can disable the app inside the settings menu and never see it under normal operation (just using the launcher and homescreen)..

What people want are either function, form, or bargain / price.  Samsung's Galaxy series tends to be the one that pushes the function boundary (magstripe simulator, iris unlocking, amoled, S pen, etc.), even if they never use it -- it's there if they want it.  A couple minutes of re/moving a few icons or downloading a  launcher isn't going to sway these people.  I daresay you never want Samsung was providing anyway, so you'd never buy it to begin with.


Since IOS 10 you can uninstall Apple built in Apps.
 
2017-04-19 05:46:29 PM  

likefunbutnot: Great. Now make a flagship phone with a removable battery and card reader.


Exactly. Must have replaceable battery for me to buy it.
 
2017-04-19 06:22:52 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Ron Vibbentrop: ShadowLAnCeR: I'll stick with HTC, thanks

I always preferred HTC. Loved my M8. And my first smartphone was the HTC Desire, which at the time wiped the floor with the then latest iPhone in every spec.

/Now have a Windows 10 phone.

Hilariously, Microsoft has replaced with Windows  10 Mobile phones in their stores with special "Microsoft Edition" Galaxy S8s. Even they don't want people buying Windows 10 Mobile anymore.


They also sell Xiaomi Mi5's in China. As a WP user i don't mind this. I might even pick up a G8 from them(depending on the freebie they include).
/Betting a free base model XB1 will be included by June
 
2017-04-19 06:25:59 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Ron Vibbentrop: PlaidJaguar: Mine was replaced with an Attachment icon (paperclip) which includes an option for voice-note, but that's an actual voice recording it sends, there's no transcription. Maybe I can find a setting somewhere...

I have the paperclip, like this:
[img.fark.net image 305x210]

And when I tap on the text box the keyboard come up, with Clipboard and Mic above the QWERTY

Thank you so much.

I took a closer look at my keyboard, and it seems that without my noticing, my it had switched to the Great Britain configuration - this apparently happens if I swipe the spacebar in the keyboard - which doesn't include the mic, presumably because I set my language for American English not British English when I set up voice interface.

I got the keyboard back to US and the mic is back.  Next I'll see if I can remove the quick-change to GB (though I can see how that would be a useful feature if I was actually switching between languages that use different keyboard layouts)


Happy to help.

Now if only I can find out how to stop the crop tool in Photos on my PC from defaulting to "Keep aspect ratio" every single time, something it only started doing a few weeks ago....
 
2017-04-19 06:34:25 PM  

BlackPete: The new TouchWiz looks beautiful, that's for sure.

However, some of the review videos still showed a crazy amount of lag when responding to a swipe. Not acceptable.

Plus, I don't need all the extra Samsung bloatware that just duplicates all the stock apps I'd normally get.

My current phone is a Samsung S3, which is badly in need of an upgrade. I'm tired of Samsung and Rogers getting in the way of android updates. I think I will go with the Pixel next.


As a Pixel XL owner, good choice.
 
2017-04-19 11:16:18 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Well, they did fork it.

I wonder how much that guy got paid for that opinion... I feel I've made terrible life choices when the only skill this person has is taking screen shots of his phone.


Dweebs and nerds everywhere jizz themselves every time someone releases a new "smart" phone. Smart people dont waste all their time on smartphones.
 
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