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(BBC-US)   The Carl Vinson carrier group wasn't actually underway to Best Korea to provoke Kim Jong Un in a game of nuclear brinksmanship, but since we've had a week to think about it, it is now. Bottoms up, last call   ( bbc.com) divider line
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2017-04-19 09:35:52 AM  
They were just going to sail around the horn and pick up spices and hookers and Thailand.
 
2017-04-19 09:51:32 AM  
The U.S. military's Pacific Command explained on Tuesday that the strike group first had to complete a shorter-than-initially planned period of training with Australia. But it was now "proceeding to the Western Pacific as ordered," it said.

Well that's a statement-and-a-half.  Disobeying an order from the President to deploy toward a hostile power and not telling him.  And then, once they pick up on the fact that you didn't go where he told you to, telling the pressthat you didn't have time to go threaten a war, you had to do the military equivalent of organizing your sock drawer.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Might as well look him in the eye and say, "Fark you, and fark your idiot posturing.  You don't know what you're doing and we're going to obstruct you."
 
2017-04-19 10:05:11 AM  
Recalculating....recalculating...
 
2017-04-19 10:28:27 AM  

UberDave: They were just going to sail around the horn and pick up spices and hookers and Thailand.


I know our aircraft carriers are absolutely huge but I doubt Thailand would fit in one.
 
2017-04-19 10:31:31 AM  

nekom: UberDave: They were just going to sail around the horn and pick up spices and hookers and Thailand.

I know our aircraft carriers are absolutely huge but I doubt Thailand would fit in one.


Giggity.
 
2017-04-19 10:51:00 AM  
Carl was just looking for some biscuits and mustard

/mmm-hmm
 
2017-04-19 10:52:42 AM  
They weren't ever deployed to the peninsula, but now that Trump was caught bluffing they're "fixing the miscommunication" as a smokescreen.
 
2017-04-19 10:58:11 AM  
Who cares?

Honestly, our president just lied to our faces about a major military deployment, and did so because he thought it'd make him look bigly. Our Commander-in-Chief is so insecure, he's willing to provoke military conflict just so he doesn't feel bad when folks mock him.

He's an 11-year-old girl, running her mouth on Facebook because someone called her a dog.
 
2017-04-19 10:58:24 AM  
So... was the WH lying then (and knew that the USS CV was not near Korea?)... are they lying now (and the USS CV has been off the coast of Korea this whole time?)... or did the WH not know where the carrier battle group was?

At least one of these must be true, right?
 
2017-04-19 11:00:13 AM  
Come on. The problem is folks just don't understand what the word "Near" means.
They're on the same planet. Close enough.
 
2017-04-19 11:04:28 AM  
Is it Earth shattering boom time yet?
 
2017-04-19 11:04:30 AM  
Trump probably doesn't know the difference between the 7th Fleet and the 3rd Infantry Division.

The Admirals and Generals are likely having great fun farking with him.
 
2017-04-19 11:04:41 AM  
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Thanks Harry
 
2017-04-19 11:04:43 AM  

thehobbes: They weren't ever deployed to the peninsula, but now that Trump was caught bluffing they're "fixing the miscommunication" as a smokescreen.


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To be fair, jets and missiles have so much range that North Korea was never beyond striking distance.
So fudging the numbers to make a threat seem more eminent isn't much of a bluff.
Now that they are closer it's a moot point, but saying "we are sending an armada now!" sells better than specifying it will arrive a week later because boats are slow.
 
2017-04-19 11:04:48 AM  
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2017-04-19 11:05:08 AM  

wildsilverfox: So... was the WH lying then (and knew that the USS CV was not near Korea?)... are they lying now (and the USS CV has been off the coast of Korea this whole time?)... or did the WH not know where the carrier battle group was?

At least one of these must be true, right?


Trumpinger's Cat says all of those are true simultaneously, depending on who's listening at the moment.
 
2017-04-19 11:05:47 AM  
Good!  Best Korea has needed a refresher course on the capabilities of the US military for some time.
 
2017-04-19 11:06:25 AM  

wildsilverfox: So... was the WH lying then (and knew that the USS CV was not near Korea?)... are they lying now (and the USS CV has been off the coast of Korea this whole time?)... or did the WH not know where the carrier battle group was?

At least one of these must be true, right?


Or the best answer. It's a way to keep them guessing.
 
2017-04-19 11:07:10 AM  
It is not clear whether the failure to arrive was a deliberate deception, perhaps designed to frighten North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un, a change of plan or simple miscommunication,

Or a show of "no confidence" for the Idiot in the White House?
 
2017-04-19 11:08:14 AM  
So, I guess it's a good thing Un didn't decide he was farked and go in guns blazing in an attack on the South?

/I mean, that's kind of always a good thing, but you know,,,
 
2017-04-19 11:08:19 AM  
Sounds like South Korea needs to reevaluate its relationship with the Trump administration.
 
2017-04-19 11:08:24 AM  

Send in Coont4 instead.



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2017-04-19 11:09:23 AM  
You guys know that Australia, or whereever the fark the carrier group was, is very far away, yes? Communication to these parts is not instant and takes some time. You knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened too, but couldn't warn them in time.
 
2017-04-19 11:10:17 AM  
It's 3AM, do you know where your carrier groups are?

Nope, Marshal Cheeto doesn't care, he's too busy tweeting about his poll numbers on Rasmussen.
 
2017-04-19 11:10:37 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The U.S. military's Pacific Command explained on Tuesday that the strike group first had to complete a shorter-than-initially planned period of training with Australia. But it was now "proceeding to the Western Pacific as ordered," it said.

Well that's a statement-and-a-half.  Disobeying an order from the President to deploy toward a hostile power and not telling him.  And then, once they pick up on the fact that you didn't go where he told you to, telling the pressthat you didn't have time to go threaten a war, you had to do the military equivalent of organizing your sock drawer.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Might as well look him in the eye and say, "Fark you, and fark your idiot posturing.  You don't know what you're doing and we're going to obstruct you."


Not so much disobeying as it was  not not following the orders.
 
2017-04-19 11:12:11 AM  
When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

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2017-04-19 11:13:25 AM  

way south: thehobbes: They weren't ever deployed to the peninsula, but now that Trump was caught bluffing they're "fixing the miscommunication" as a smokescreen.

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To be fair, jets and missiles have so much range that North Korea was never beyond striking distance.
So fudging the numbers to make a threat seem more eminent isn't much of a bluff.
Now that they are closer it's a moot point, but saying "we are sending an armada now!" sells better than specifying it will arrive a week later because boats are slow.


Sortof. The strike package could come out of USAF bases in Japan, I doubt the carrier air wing could hit Korea without refueling.
 
2017-04-19 11:13:46 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Good!  Best Korea has needed a refresher course on the capabilities of the US military for some time.


And what could do that better than publicly displaying how out of touch the Commander-in-Chief is with the actions of his military? That'll show 'em!
 
2017-04-19 11:13:46 AM  
What are the odds that Trump just told them to sail around in circles?
That Schrodinger's Douchebag President turned them into Schrodinger's Carrier Group: at all times simultaneously sailing towards a potential enemy and not sailing towards that enemy?
 
2017-04-19 11:13:54 AM  

FumblingTowardsSanity: When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

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Yeah um, it's kind of prudent to be wary of a country pre-emptively deadset on using nuclear weapons they've been developing for some time now. No, it doesn't really apply to Iraq or Iran.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2017-04-19 11:14:00 AM  
USS. Carl Vinson arrives in new home port, Mar-a-lago, Fla.
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2017-04-19 11:14:56 AM  

Migrating Coconut: Come on. The problem is folks just don't understand what the word "Near" means.
They're on the same planet. Close enough.


Sometimes people don't hear things correctly.  Like when describing the proximity of the previous POTUS.

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2017-04-19 11:15:24 AM  
I regret that I have but one palm to give to my face.
 
2017-04-19 11:15:56 AM  

whidbey: It is not clear whether the failure to arrive was a deliberate deception, perhaps designed to frighten North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un, a change of plan or simple miscommunication,

Or a show of "no confidence" for the Idiot in the White House?


Even if the military dislikes the President, for a high-level officer (presumably a carrier group is commanded by an admiral of some kind) to disobey a direct order from the civilian leadership would be a very serious situation and an extraordinary dangerous precedent to set.  That's one of the ways democracies die: when the military leaders decide they can stop taking orders and would prefer to be giving them.
 
2017-04-19 11:16:02 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Disobeying an order from the President to deploy toward a hostile power and not telling him.  And then, once they pick up on the fact that you didn't go where he told you to, telling the pressthat you didn't have time to go threaten a war, you had to do the military equivalent of organizing your sock drawer.


I didn't read anything that suggested they disobeyed an order. Where are you getting that?

They said they completed the exercise, then deployed as ordered. In other words, the order was to complete the exercise then deploy. That's how I read it. It does NOT say they were ordered to the Sea of Japan but decided to complete an exercise instead.
 
2017-04-19 11:16:28 AM  

croesius: Recalculating....recalculating...


"When possible, make a U-turn."
 
2017-04-19 11:16:46 AM  

nekom: UberDave: They were just going to sail around the horn and pick up spices and hookers and Thailand.

I know our aircraft carriers are absolutely huge but I doubt Thailand would fit in one.


You haven't seen how much stuff sailors and Marines can shove into a seabag.
 
2017-04-19 11:17:54 AM  
I imagine there where a few subs off the waters of Korea.  But subs, being stealthy in nature, don't have that same allure as a huge aircraft carrier.
 
2017-04-19 11:17:57 AM  

Thor's Mighty Wrench: Johnny Rockets: Good!  Best Korea has needed a refresher course on the capabilities of the US military for some time.

And what could do that better than publicly displaying how out of touch the Commander-in-Chief is with the actions of his military? That'll show 'em!


Trump isn't calling the shots when it comes to military action, that's all M&M.
 
2017-04-19 11:18:38 AM  
I'd be more pissed that the MSM did not find out until now. Does no one fact check anymore??

The Sunda Straight is not really a covert way of travelling.
 
2017-04-19 11:18:47 AM  

jshine: whidbey: It is not clear whether the failure to arrive was a deliberate deception, perhaps designed to frighten North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un, a change of plan or simple miscommunication,

Or a show of "no confidence" for the Idiot in the White House?

Even if the military dislikes the President, for a high-level officer (presumably a carrier group is commanded by an admiral of some kind) to disobey a direct order from the civilian leadership would be a very serious situation and an extraordinary dangerous precedent to set.  That's one of the ways democracies die: when the military leaders decide they can stop taking orders and would prefer to be giving them.


Or more like Trump has so much discord happening in the White House he can't effectly assert the kind of power you're talking about.
 
2017-04-19 11:19:04 AM  
*effectively
 
2017-04-19 11:19:18 AM  

FumblingTowardsSanity: When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

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When NK put Seoul in the cross-hairs of an artillery barrage that they could release at a moment's notice and can't really be stopped without a massive preemptive strike.  NK poses no real threat to the United States and never has, but they're a major threat to an American ally, and that can't be ignored (regardless of who is President at the moment).
 
2017-04-19 11:19:18 AM  

whidbey: FumblingTowardsSanity: When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

[img.fark.net image 650x222]

Yeah um, it's kind of prudent to be wary of a country pre-emptively deadset on using nuclear weapons they've been developing for some time now. No, it doesn't really apply to Iraq or Iran.

Sorry to burst your bubble.


North Korea plans to use their nuclear weapons?  Says who?
Plenty of countries have had nuclear weapons and never used them.
 
2017-04-19 11:19:21 AM  

onzmadi: Benevolent Misanthrope: The U.S. military's Pacific Command explained on Tuesday that the strike group first had to complete a shorter-than-initially planned period of training with Australia. But it was now "proceeding to the Western Pacific as ordered," it said.

Well that's a statement-and-a-half.  Disobeying an order from the President to deploy toward a hostile power and not telling him.  And then, once they pick up on the fact that you didn't go where he told you to, telling the pressthat you didn't have time to go threaten a war, you had to do the military equivalent of organizing your sock drawer.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Might as well look him in the eye and say, "Fark you, and fark your idiot posturing.  You don't know what you're doing and we're going to obstruct you."

Not so much disobeying as it was  not not following the orders.


And the actual orders could have been written in such a way as to give the CSGC a lot of leeway.
 
2017-04-19 11:20:31 AM  

Karac: whidbey: FumblingTowardsSanity: When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

[img.fark.net image 650x222]

Yeah um, it's kind of prudent to be wary of a country pre-emptively deadset on using nuclear weapons they've been developing for some time now. No, it doesn't really apply to Iraq or Iran.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

North Korea plans to use their nuclear weapons?  Says who?
Plenty of countries have had nuclear weapons and never used them.


Have you been asleep the past 6 months?
 
2017-04-19 11:20:48 AM  
The BBC is my go-to source for US Navy fleet movements.

/if you believe that, I have an aircraft carrier I'd like to sell you
 
2017-04-19 11:20:54 AM  

Karac: What are the odds that Trump just told them to sail around in circles?
That Schrodinger's Douchebag President turned them into Schrodinger's Carrier Group: at all times simultaneously sailing towards a potential enemy and not sailing towards that enemy?


On the surface of a sphere, aren't you headed toward all points mo matter what?  I mean - barring land mass related detours - you'll get there after a finite number of circumnavigations.
 
2017-04-19 11:21:25 AM  

UberDave: They were just going to sail around the horn and pick up spices and hookers and Thailand.


That's the life for me, living on the sea
Spirit of a sailor, circumnavigates the globe
The lust of a pioneer, will acknowledge no frontier
I remember you by, thunderclap in the sky
Lightning flash, tempers flare,
'round the horn if you dare
 
2017-04-19 11:21:49 AM  

jshine: FumblingTowardsSanity: When did we go from this to cowering in our boots over NK?

Oh yeah....Trump.  (Little Hands Syndrome?)

[img.fark.net image 650x222]

When NK put Seoul in the cross-hairs of an artillery barrage that they could release at a moment's notice and can't really be stopped without a massive preemptive strike.  NK poses no real threat to the United States and never has, but they're a major threat to an American ally, and that can't be ignored (regardless of who is President at the moment).


Seoul has been in artillery range of North Korea for over sixty years.  What suddenly changed that raised that fact to such an urgent threat?
 
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