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(Mother Nature Network)   For good or for bad, the person you were at 14 will be nothing like the person you'll be at 77   ( mnn.com) divider line
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2017-04-19 02:08:08 AM  
Thank gawd that's over with.

/maybe
/troubled child
/senior citizen vs. farmers market
 
2017-04-19 03:09:44 AM  
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2017-04-19 03:10:57 AM  

tuskahoma man: [img.fark.net image 700x463]


Needs a dinosaur also
 
2017-04-19 03:15:41 AM  
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2017-04-19 03:36:04 AM  
You mean a kid who was carefree, sarcastic, sardonic, yet with a glimmer of hope in his eyes at 14 isn't going to be the same person at 77, after kids, grandkids, maybe a bad marriage along the way, surgeries, and paying taxes into a black hole of a safety net that won't even come close to covering his living expenses in his last years? Say it's not so.
 
2017-04-19 04:07:02 AM  
That's the whole point.
 
2017-04-19 04:08:31 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: You mean a kid who was carefree, sarcastic, sardonic, yet with a glimmer of hope in his eyes at 14 isn't going to be the same person at 77, after kids, grandkids, maybe a bad marriage along the way, surgeries, and paying taxes into a black hole of a safety net that won't even come close to covering his living expenses in his last years? Say it's not so.


Cheer up, there's always alcohol
 
2017-04-19 04:08:52 AM  
Within a standard deviation.

You specifically will be different, but 14 year olds and 70 year olds all generally act the same.


Demographically speaking, we can divide the human lifespan into three principle phases, and moving through each phase usually brings about a "crisis" (you can call it your Saturn Return if you wish):

0-25: Youth. You are growing and learning. This phase is characterized by increased emphasis on recreation, entertainment, education, and finding yourself and your place in society. This group is typically found in the school, and the things it most values are individualism and personal freedom.

25-50: Adult. You are the establishment. This phase is characterized by increased emphasis on family, security, insurance, stability and comfort. This group is typically found in the workplace, and the thing it most values is economic (ie: financial) autonomy.

50-75: Elder. You are the power. This phase is characterized by increased emphasis on control, management and leadership and the financial independence it brings. This group is either retired or running any number of businesses, associations, committees, legislatures or councils, and the thing it most values is political jurisprudence.

(anything over 75 are bonus years)
 
2017-04-19 04:11:23 AM  
found that there may not be much of a correlation between people's personalities at 14 and their personalities at 77.

"Personality in older age may be quite different from personality in childhood,"

wow

I am just blown away

wow
 
2017-04-19 04:14:11 AM  
Read a rather poignant story in local Sunday paper about a guy who'd moved to a tiny country town ("You're never completely accepted unless you went to primary school here"). He said things like "No-one wants to be on their own, you just get better at it."

But bit that really resonated was last line "Nobody ever gets the life they planned"
 
2017-04-19 04:21:27 AM  
"Future studies should focus on developing better understanding of how and why personality changes throughout the life course."

My theory, life will beat the shiat out of you. Eventually, when you get knocked down enough, you figure you might as well stay there and take a nap.
 
2017-04-19 04:24:55 AM  
Uh, no shiat?

I'm only thirty-three, and hell, I'm not even the same person I was at twenty-three.  Life happened.
 
2017-04-19 04:26:49 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Uh, no shiat?

I'm only thirty-three, and hell, I'm not even the same person I was at twenty-three.  Life happened.


Yyyyyyyyyep. That.
 
2017-04-19 04:29:47 AM  
Ha! Ha!

Joke's on you, subby (and art. author.)

No male in my family (either side) has ever lived to be older than 71.
No female (ditto) over 75.

And I'm very certainly not going to be the first. In fact, ol' Grim can come a-Courtin' at any time and be welcomed as would a long-lost friend.

But to speak to the jist:
I'm a diff'rent person now than I was 14. I actually have free will over all my actions and I have little patience for bullshiat  and yet am more empathetic/reflective/philosophical and far less irrational/impulsive (thanks, Obamacare.)
 
2017-04-19 04:31:08 AM  
When I was 14 I could get a hard on looking at a Sears catalog.  When I'm 77 I doubt Pornhub on a 55" tv will work.
 
2017-04-19 04:39:18 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: You mean a kid who was carefree, sarcastic, sardonic, yet with a glimmer of hope in his eyes at 14 isn't going to be the same person at 77, after kids, grandkids, maybe a bad marriage along the way, surgeries, and paying taxes into a black hole of a safety net that won't even come close to covering his living expenses in his last years? Say it's not so.


You perfectly stated what I was planning on posting.
 
2017-04-19 04:46:15 AM  
Unless you're the President.

/mentally, anyway
 
2017-04-19 04:52:13 AM  
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2017-04-19 05:04:35 AM  
...no wai?

Unless you fall into a coma, how could you possibly be the same person?
Life happens to you, for better or worse, and as your ignorance (and 14 year olds aren't usually dumb, just lacking in experience and subject to high hormone levels) reduces you'll approach all manner of situations differently. I'm 30 now, and wouldn't trust my 20 year old self to make decisions on my behalf now.

And I'm sure my 40 year old self will think the same about 30 year old me; the trick is to make sure that asshole doesn't start thinking he knows everything in the meantime.
 
2017-04-19 05:06:07 AM  

relaxitsjustme: When I was 14 I could get a hard on looking at a Sears catalog.  When I'm 77 I doubt Pornhub on a 55" tv will work.


I am almost 60. Sh*t still works! I cherish each erection, as though it might be my last. So far, so good.
 
2017-04-19 05:13:59 AM  
Bum wiped at the start. Bum wiped at the end.
 
2017-04-19 05:16:12 AM  

stringbad: Bum wiped at the start. Bum wiped at the end.


Bummer
 
2017-04-19 05:17:42 AM  
I'll play contrarian. At 14, back in the mid eighties, I liked to listen to ACDC and other hard rock on the radio, was into nerdy science stuff and computers, couldn't stop thinking about girls, was always more or less in a great mood and didn't eat a single vegetable.

Forty years later all of that still applies.
 
2017-04-19 05:27:44 AM  
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2017-04-19 05:48:12 AM  

doosh: I'll play contrarian. At 14, back in the mid eighties, I liked to listen to ACDC and other hard rock on the radio, was into nerdy science stuff and computers, couldn't stop thinking about girls, was always more or less in a great mood and didn't eat a single vegetable.

Forty years later all of that still applies.


Eh, depends on the criteria you evaluate. Do I still like hanging out at the beach with beer and herb, fishing and goofing off with my friends, yeah--that shiat's enjoyable. Do I still like throwback music? Of course. Still enjoy flirting? Sure, great (plus, you get way better at it). Will I know the name of a Top 40s artist by ear again? Rarely. Will I ever care about the labels on my jeans in quite the same desperate way? No.

Do I still hold the same value judgments about what's important to my life? Things like health management, qualities in a romantic partner, jobs with longterm benefits, endemic inequalities on a global spectrum, willful and systematic corruption, quality of life vs. financial reward, the fleeting nature of love, lost loves and dead loved ones, the slow and ever-encroaching prospect of my eventual infirmity and death? No. The realistic contemplation of all of those factors, especially that last one, well, that's why adults get to buy whiskey any time they want.

You can't even really lay the visceral and mental experience of half of that to a 14 year-old kid. Like explaining the attic to your goldfish...
 
2017-04-19 06:09:48 AM  
Journeys almost never end up where they start.
 
2017-04-19 06:24:09 AM  
Ill always be 100% DTF though.
 
2017-04-19 06:42:31 AM  
If I've changed I've just added a veneer of adulting to get that out of the way.  I'm still a geeky geek with passions for music, astronomy, LotR, D&D and so on.  Get me around peers and I'll be like a kid in a candy store.
No, what's changed is social perception.  Getting excited over stuff is socially acceptable when you're a kid.  Maybe also when you're very old and they don't expect you to have enthusiasm for anything, so you're sort of a walking novelty.  But when you're an ugly bald middle-aged white guy, showing any positive emotion makes you weird, scary and creepy.  You're supposed to be wearing suits and working 12 hours a day and drinking beer and biatching about life and generally being someone others get to hate, and oh the treatment I get when I break stereotype.  It's like, "Oh, you're trying to not be unpleasant; now I hate you even more."
So most of the time I just pretend to be bored and boring and dead inside.  The kid in there's still screaming but I make him STFU.  So, kind of like how people my age treat their own 14-year-old kids.
 
2017-04-19 06:52:01 AM  
Yeah, no big shocker here. This is why young people tend to be more liberal and old people tend to be more conservative. It is why young people like to try new things and old people...don't. As you get older your IQ drops. When this happens you tend to base your thoughts off of emotions more than actual reasoning.

Google, "you can turn a liberal into a conservative by getting them drunk."

The reason the above works is because the person that has been drinking starts to reason from emotion more than from deep thought processing. Same thing in an older person. Same reason more older people are conservative.

Pick up a book like, "The Republican Brain."
 
2017-04-19 06:52:03 AM  
Headline:"14-year-old you is nothing like 77-year-old you"  (rather straightforward and with authoroty)

Article:


The results, published in the journal Psychology and Aging, found that there may not be much of a correlation between people's personalities at 14 and their personalities at 77.
"Personality in older age may be quite different from personality in childhood," the researchers concluded.
So the teenage you may not even remotely resemble the more senior version of yourself, it turns out.
"Personality changes only gradually throughout life, but by older age it may be quite different from personality in childhood," the researchers conclude.

Ok, sure.
 
2017-04-19 06:52:54 AM  
"Obvious" tag retired?
 
2017-04-19 06:57:47 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Obvious" tag retired?


Semi-retired. He works as a consultant part time.
 
2017-04-19 07:04:40 AM  
"For the first part of the study, researchers used data from a 1950 study in Scotland where teachers rated their 14-year-old students on six personality characteristics: self-confidence, perseverance, stability of moods, conscientiousness, originality and desire to excel."

Very subjective. And there will be a difference between teacher rating and self-rating. Something like Myers-Briggs would probably have better information.
 
2017-04-19 07:07:55 AM  
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2017-04-19 07:14:14 AM  
I've changed dramatically in some way not so much in others.

The biggest thing is I was a lot like my father when I was younger: Hair-trigger temper, aggressively nit-picky, very negative, and self centered. And when triggered a real bastard to be around. Think Malcolm Tucker, with fewer C-bombs. We're talking at least one morning where I started off the day by greeting my boss with a conversation like this: "Good morning boss. Fark you. You sleep well? Fark you. I've been here all night. Fark you. Because you can't farking get your farking sales staff, fark you, to farking do their jobs correctly. Fark you."  . . . This went on for the first 10 minutes he was in the office before I'd finally vented enough bile. And yes I was like that at 14, it was a lot of fun having me and dad in the same house.

As I aged I was seeing dad for what he is and not really registering that I was just like him, until the wife beat me over the head with the truth of it. Part of the change was the natural mellowing with age, but a larger part is an active choice on my part to not be like that anymore. I love dad, but I hate how he treats people. It's also just stressful being that angry and on edge all the time. Not to mention poisonous to relationships that really matter.

My midlife crisis seems to be taking the form of dealing with the negative aspects of my personality, at least the ones I'm aware of. But that one specifically has pretty much been tamed. You've got to really fark up to draw that out of me now.
 
2017-04-19 07:17:01 AM  

Ambivalence: Journeys almost never end up where they start.


The thing is, your outlook on life is really only a part of your personality; and probably a minor one. Obviously those are going to change over the course of your lifetime and circumstances. It's also I think part of the problem in TFA. Personality wasn't sufficiently defined. To me personality traits describe first of all your demeanor and how you relate to those around you. Something tells me Trump was just as much of an ass half a century ago as he is today and Carlin probably had the same sense of humor as a teenager than he did on his last standup routine.

I don't think your emotional disposition, your 'moral compass' and your overall character change all that much throughout your life unless there's deeply traumatic events that cause the shift; more so than affects the average person that I can see.
 
2017-04-19 07:17:17 AM  
My elderly dad lost a second wife to cancer, and ended up marrying wife #3.    Like a 14 year old, wife #3:

- Never completed a high school education.
- Has always been dependent on someone to support her.  Her first husband, then her first husband's alimony, then my dad.
- Throws tantrums if she doesn't get her way.
- Spends a lot of time on Facebook, and believes everything she reads.
- Acts like my dad is her very first boyfriend and must be protected against competitors... such as his children and friends.  Got him an "overly attached girlfriend" style greeting card at their monthaversery of dating.
- Hasn't moved past 1950 in her social views.  Has never developed empathy for fellow humans.

So, sure... most people are different.

/Shut up, whining about her on Fark is my hobby, and cheaper than a therapist.
 
2017-04-19 07:25:27 AM  

transporter_ii: Yeah, no big shocker here. This is why young people tend to be more liberal and old people tend to be more conservative. It is why young people like to try new things and old people...don't.

...

I disagree. Youth's idealism gets tempered through the cynicism that comes from years upon years of noticing how little things change in the way we want to and the realization of seeing our role models falter as all humans do. There's also the practical side. As we age we cling to what's recognizable and become more fearful of change, which to an outsider seems like intolerance.
 
2017-04-19 07:27:12 AM  

transporter_ii: Yeah, no big shocker here. This is why young people tend to be more liberal and old people tend to be more conservative. It is why young people like to try new things and old people...don't. As you get older your IQ drops. When this happens you tend to base your thoughts off of emotions more than actual reasoning.

Google, "you can turn a liberal into a conservative by getting them drunk."

The reason the above works is because the person that has been drinking starts to reason from emotion more than from deep thought processing. Same thing in an older person. Same reason more older people are conservative.

Pick up a book like, "The Republican Brain."


I think along similar lines, although I think it's less about age and more that the shining examples of modern conservative thought never seem to have progressed past their teenage years emotionally and intellectually.
 
2017-04-19 07:32:24 AM  

tuskahoma man: [img.fark.net image 700x463]


Not to be too Cliff Claveny here, but during a flood, having your house catch fire is not exactly as terrible as it might seem.  In either case, your house if f'd, but flood insurance only pays up to $250K of losses whereas fire insurance does not have those limits.
 
2017-04-19 07:34:56 AM  
1st peer to get a tattoo was about 14. It was a homemade piece with the initials of his summer infatuation over a crude infinity loop that represented their blissful summer camp romance, and though I have no idea where he is now and we're well into our 50's, I'd like to think that he and "MR" reconnected somewhere along the life and are enjoying watching their great-grandchildren playing in the front room of the house where I used to deliver his family's newspaper from the basket of my Azuki 10-speed.
 
2017-04-19 08:12:53 AM  
I'm oddly static. 

Polite, generous, kind, unwilling to suffer fools gladly, arrogant, and cute and curious.

That hasn't changed much in the past 36 years and I doubt it will change much in the next 27. I was this way at 4 and 14 and I imagine I will still be this way at 77. And the folks in my life haven't changed a lot over the years--they are all still fundamentally who they were as teens. Some of them have surprised me with really radical shifts in personality, but most are the same people I knew back when.

Of course, I have an unreliable perspective on this. So grain of salt and all that. But if you look at me over the years, there are some incredibly strong trends that have persisted: cooking, languages and the wordy arts, an abiding love and fascination with painting and architecture, an appreciation and fascination with science, respect for the concept of laws, and a massive commitment to relationships as the most rewarding force in our stupid primate lives.

There's a lovely picture of me at 15 that my first boyfrind's father took of me at a cookout and I know that girl as well as I know the back of my hands. She's me. Just braver and more playful. Aging just makes most of us more serious and careful. But it doesn't really change who you are.
 
2017-04-19 08:18:10 AM  
God, I hope so. I was unbearable at 14. And 24. 34 not looking so good.
 
2017-04-19 08:34:47 AM  

transporter_ii: Google, "you can turn a liberal into a conservative by getting them drunk."


Depressing inhibition makes people conservative?

That seems... counter to the prevailing (fark) logic.
 
2017-04-19 08:41:23 AM  
Well, I know I don't masturbate as much...

Where the obvious tag is?
 
2017-04-19 09:00:22 AM  

relaxitsjustme: When I was 14 I could get a hard on looking at a Sears catalog.  When I'm 77 I doubt Pornhub on a 55" tv will work.


But those cool slot car racing sets, they still doing it for ya?
 
2017-04-19 09:37:31 AM  

fark account name: tuskahoma man: [img.fark.net image 700x463]

Not to be too Cliff Claveny here, but during a flood, having your house catch fire is not exactly as terrible as it might seem.  In either case, your house if f'd, but flood insurance only pays up to $250K of losses whereas fire insurance does not have those limits.


So if there's a flood, I should set my house on fire?
 
2017-04-19 09:58:22 AM  
A sample size of 174 nonrandom participants responding to a self-reporting survey about their own personality.

Also, FTFS:
The six characteristics did not provide a comprehensive assessment of personality; in fact, the six items were quite correlated with one another (Self-Confidence: .01-.35; Perseverance: .11-.72; Stability of Moods: .01-.49; Conscientiousness: .01-.72; Originality: .08-.45; Desire to Excel: .21-.50), which allowed us to reduce them to a single dimension, which we termeddependability (as previously described; Deary et al., 2008). This factor only describes one aspect of personality, and not in terms of currently familiar personality models, such as the Big Five, which had not been articulated when our assessment was made. It appears to relate fairly closely to conscientiousness.

So this is hot and spicy garbage. I would say at least you can wipe with it, but it's in a digital format so that's a no go. It may just be literally worthless.
 
db2
2017-04-19 09:59:34 AM  
Well duh. I'm still a huge nerd, but I'm quite a different nerd than I was 20 years ago.
 
2017-04-19 10:03:10 AM  
Friends at school watched me molt. Psychologically speaking. When I finally broke free from religion, I became a noticeably different person. It took around 2 weeks. So, 14 different from 77? Hell. 17 was radically different from 19.
 
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