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(Talk Radio (UK))   'Sorry, officer, I completely forgot I was packing a loaded firearm when I boarded the plane. Oh yeah, should also mention I was the pilot'   ( talkradio.co.uk) divider line
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2017-04-18 09:48:39 AM  
He works for United.
 
2017-04-18 10:10:23 AM  
Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.
 
2017-04-18 10:25:19 AM  
He works for Southwest. Of course he had a gun.
 
2017-04-18 10:33:09 AM  
At least it wasn't a harpoon
/FDX 705, fascinating true horror story
 
2017-04-18 11:49:48 AM  

nekom: At least it wasn't a harpoon
/FDX 705, fascinating true horror story


FDX 705
 
2017-04-18 11:53:12 AM  
Good.  Keep guns away from the pilots.  That will completely prevent them from snapping and doing anything suicidal endangering the passengers...
 
2017-04-18 11:53:19 AM  
I thought Pilots were allowed to carry on the planes after 9/11
 
2017-04-18 11:55:22 AM  
If you can't trust him with a firearm how can you trust him with an aircraft ?
 
2017-04-18 11:58:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.


CSB, I would have said the same thing if I didn't know a co-worker that did exactly that.  He manages property in not the greatest of areas, but he fixes them up for his tenants.  He had it in a case in a utility bag he carried around with him.  For his flight, he emptied out his utility bag, save for the forgotten gun in the case in a side zipper.  Ammo was not kept with the gun, so it wasn't in the case or bag.  He brought it through as a carry-on and he was mortified.  They questioned him for a few hours, gave him a court date, and he ended up with 5 years probation, fines, and I think some community service.  This was just after 9/11 happened too, so it was extra bad.
 
2017-04-18 11:59:38 AM  
"And, by the way, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
 
2017-04-18 12:00:20 PM  
When will people learn there is no second amendment in NY.
 
2017-04-18 12:01:52 PM  
Let's see those passengers refuse to give up seats now!
 
2017-04-18 12:01:56 PM  
Either he willfully tried to bring a gun on an aircraft, in which case he is not a responsible gun owner. Or he is so nonchalant about his firearms that he forgot he even had one and didn't bother to check before trying to get on a plane, in which case he is not a responsible gun owner.
 
2017-04-18 12:02:28 PM  

BalugaJoe: nekom: At least it wasn't a harpoon
/FDX 705, fascinating true horror story

FDX 705


Holy Sh**, sometimes the Fark comments deliver gems like this, making it worthwhile to grind through the other 90%.

/Still won't brave the politics tab comments
 
2017-04-18 12:03:25 PM  
good thing you have taken it away from him so that he can't hijack his plane and fark it into the nearest sky resort or building
 
2017-04-18 12:03:38 PM  
GasDude:
Holy Sh**, sometimes the Fark comments deliver gems like this, making it worthwhile to grind through the other 90%.

/Still won't brave the politics tab comments


There's an episode of Mayday or somesuch about it.  The pilots were so badly injured they were never certified to fly commercial again.  Dude who did it is in federal prison for life.
 
2017-04-18 12:03:58 PM  
CSB:
I know a former Pan Am pilot.  Back during the height of the hostage taking, he used to smuggle a stun gun and a can of mace (which was disguised as spray-on deodorant) into the cockpit.

It occurred to him that he had no idea how well the stun gun worked (this was one of those early ones, which was like a small metal bat and huge).  His 18 year-old son was sleeping on the couch in the afternoon so he zapped him.  The son was not amused.

He knew the mace worked.  His wife mistook it for real deodorant once and used it.
 
2017-04-18 12:08:51 PM  

Dadoody: I thought Pilots were allowed to carry on the planes after 9/11


Pilots can go through training to become a type of federal agent, authorized to carry a firearm on the plane, but there are a lot of restrictions.  This guy obviously wasn't authorized or else he would have shown his creds and gone on with his day.
 
2017-04-18 12:09:05 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.


THIS
 
2017-04-18 12:10:00 PM  

AngryDragon: Good.  Keep guns away from the pilots.  That will completely prevent them from snapping and doing anything suicidal endangering the passengers...


Like locking the other pilot out of the cabin, and nosedive the plane.  Can't do that without a gun.
 
2017-04-18 12:11:36 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.


My boss did.

Luckily it was discovered when his bag was put through the courthouse metal detector, not at some airport. But Lucy, did HE have some 'splaining to do!
 
2017-04-18 12:16:02 PM  
FB killer dead. Whar headline? Whar?
 
2017-04-18 12:18:42 PM  
I guess he REALLY wanted to know if that kid in 1st class had ever seen a gladiator movie.
 
2017-04-18 12:22:11 PM  
I used to date a woman who's father was a co-pilot for Alaska, and he "forgot" he was packing his gun in his flight brief once.  Got his name in the paper, too.   The union saved his ass from getting fired, which is delicious as he was your typical gun totin' anti-labor bootstrapper.

Never made pilot, though.  Retired in the right seat.
 
2017-04-18 12:22:35 PM  

UncleDirtNap: I guess he REALLY wanted to know if that kid in 1st class had ever seen a gladiator movie.


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2017-04-18 12:24:03 PM  

Dadoody: I thought Pilots were allowed to carry on the planes after 9/11


If they are specifically enrolled in the program that allows it.  The Federal Flight Deck Officer program, that lets commercial air crews be deputized as a Deputy Air Marshall with very limited jurisdiction (his plane) and to carry a firearm for defense of self and their aircraft.

It's not a blanket authorization, they have to volunteer for the program, be trained, qualified, and sworn in as deputy air marshalls before they are allowed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Flight_Deck_Officer
 
2017-04-18 12:30:04 PM  
It's a good thing they stopped him.  That armed pilot might have seized control of the plane...
 
2017-04-18 12:34:12 PM  
This guy could stop him...

i2.wp.com
 
2017-04-18 12:35:44 PM  

Dadoody: I thought Pilots were allowed to carry on the planes after 9/11


I think only Air Marshalls are.  Guns aren't really useful on planes.  One shot at high altitude and the whole damn section of the craft may blow out from the de-pressurization.
 
2017-04-18 12:40:05 PM  

Ambivalence: One shot at high altitude and the whole damn section of the craft may blow out from the de-pressurization.


planes are pretty strong, they'd be OK versus a bullet hole, maybe even a few - they did it on mythbusters
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/explosive-decomp​r​ession-minimyth/
 
2017-04-18 12:45:57 PM  
Why the hell was it loaded if it was in his luggage?
 
2017-04-18 12:46:57 PM  
Just once, I want to here the argument, "No, officer, I'm just happy to see you."
 
2017-04-18 01:25:01 PM  
He got in trouble because Southwest pilots are required to keep their guns on them, not packed away.
 
2017-04-18 01:37:37 PM  
I was told two guns fly free!

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.


It happens. One should probably check such things but I guess that makes too much sense.
 
2017-04-18 01:45:31 PM  
If he's a designated FDO (Flight Deck Officer) who's permitted to carry on the flight deck the TSA can go pound sand or strip search an 80yo woman.
 
2017-04-18 01:55:12 PM  
It's so reassuring to know there are pilots out there who forget the big important things, let alone the details.
 
2017-04-18 02:01:02 PM  
FTFA they charged him with misdemeanor firearms possession.

Most likely the pilot has no criminal record.  He'll enter a plea that places him in a diversionary program with a non reporting probation.  Maybe do a little community service and pay a fine.  Forfeit the weapon to the Court.

The biggest impact on this dude's life will be the loss of the gun.  Pilots are in such short supply Southwest won't can him..
 
2017-04-18 02:19:57 PM  

GasDude: BalugaJoe: nekom: At least it wasn't a harpoon
/FDX 705, fascinating true horror story

FDX 705

Holy Sh**, sometimes the Fark comments deliver gems like this, making it worthwhile to grind through the other 90%.

/Still won't brave the politics tab comments


RIght?! It's a whacked out story.
 
2017-04-18 02:32:27 PM  
After 9/11 the Feds introduced the most stringent restrictions on items allowed to be carried on to commercial aircraft. A friend who is an airline pilot was found to be carrying finger nail clippers in his travel bag. He was taken aside and lectured on how pilots must set the example for all persons by obeying the rules. The clippers were confiscated.
A few months later he received an email to all company pilots offering training required if a pilots opted in on a program to allow them to carry hand guns in the cockpit.
He wrote back to say that he would not need the training. He added that instead he would like to get his clippers returned. He promised to use them only if attacked while on duty by hijackers.
 
2017-04-18 02:41:40 PM  

rikkidoxx: If he's a designated FDO (Flight Deck Officer) who's permitted to carry on the flight deck the TSA can go pound sand or strip search an 80yo woman.


So does it NOT make sense to you that if he had such a designation he would have said something about it to avoid the arrestin'?
 
2017-04-18 02:46:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.


So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?
 
2017-04-18 03:29:09 PM  

Ambivalence: Dadoody: I thought Pilots were allowed to carry on the planes after 9/11

I think only Air Marshalls are.  Guns aren't really useful on planes.  One shot at high altitude and the whole damn section of the craft may blow out from the de-pressurization.


They use frangible ammunition.

/One "L" in "marshal"
//Used to work for the FAMS 2002-2008
 
2017-04-18 03:34:20 PM  

jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?


Fine so an increasing population of people (Last I checked the US census did not say we would see a 50% population growth in 2 years) is failing to identify where their firearms are stored prior to heading to the airport.

Also they are failing to store their firearms in a safe manner according to all guidelines for carriage of a firearm not in a holster or "ready condition".
Aka, the grand majority of firearms found by TSA are loaded, so this growing Derp-nation not only forgot they were carrying a gun but forgot that the gun was loaded where-ever it was.
 
2017-04-18 03:34:29 PM  

jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?


Looking for weaknesses in the system.  Every system.
 
2017-04-18 03:44:45 PM  

Splinthar: jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?

Fine so an increasing population of people (Last I checked the US census did not say we would see a 50% population growth in 2 years) is failing to identify where their firearms are stored prior to heading to the airport.

Also they are failing to store their firearms in a safe manner according to all guidelines for carriage of a firearm not in a holster or "ready condition".
Aka, the grand majority of firearms found by TSA are loaded, so this growing Derp-nation not only forgot they were carrying a gun but forgot that the gun was loaded where-ever it was.


I am reliably informed that many gun enthusiasts believe the weapon should always be loaded.  A round in the chamber too.
 
2017-04-18 03:52:57 PM  

jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?


Word problem tiem!

If the TSA confiscated 3500 guns, but failed 95% of their tests of people moving contraband through security, how many guns made it through TSA and on-board an aircraft?
 
2017-04-18 03:53:21 PM  
Damn you, Colm Meaney!

img.fark.net
 
2017-04-18 04:28:39 PM  

Nocrash: I am reliably informed that many gun enthusiasts believe the weapon should always be loaded.  A round in the chamber too.


Actually the gun should be constantly firing.  It should be full auto, belt fed, and constantly firing into a bullet catcher (for safety).  When you need to use it, just pick it up and point.  It's the only way to be truly prepared.
 
2017-04-18 04:33:59 PM  

jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?


Yeah, I'm catching the drift, but I still can't wrap my head around it.  I used to carry.  I was always highly conscious that I was packing a weapon.

Not sure how one forgets a thing like that.
 
2017-04-18 04:46:10 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: jmr61: Marcus Aurelius: Nobody "forgets" they're packing a gun.

So you think the 3391 people who had guns confiscated in 2016 did so on purpose to see if they could get away with it? EVERY ONE of them?

And the 2653 in 2015 and the 2212 in 2014 and......... you get the drift right?

Yeah, I'm catching the drift, but I still can't wrap my head around it.  I used to carry.  I was always highly conscious that I was packing a weapon.

Not sure how one forgets a thing like that.


When you make gun ownership into political signaling you end up with people buying guns for reasons other than the proper ownership/keeping of a gun.
I think people should have guns, but I also acknowledge a double digit percentage of the populace can barely operate knives and scissors safely.

Want to know why I worry about easy gun access? We live in a world where the klever kutter is a multi-million dollar idea.  http://www.safecutting.com/klever_innovations.html
The people who cut themselves opening boxes are the kinds of people who "forget" they have a loaded gun.  Or "It just went off".
 
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