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2017-04-18 09:08:41 AM  
If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.
 
2017-04-18 09:17:57 AM  

Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.


Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.
 
2017-04-18 09:25:42 AM  

dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.


Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.
 
2017-04-18 09:33:41 AM  

Polish Hussar: dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.

Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.


I suppose so.  I guess that effect was psychological.  Demented and sad, but psychological.
 
2017-04-18 09:35:40 AM  

Chris Ween: And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.


Robert Cole, the last surviving Doolittle Raider, on Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor:"

"The movie had a fictionalized rendition of the Raid, and the producer flew some of the Raiders, including Cole, to Hawaii for a premiere aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis. So I called Cole and asked him how he liked the movie.

'The popcorn was good,' he deadpanned."

Source article (it also says Mr. Cole had an ostritch and an emu at one point thanks to his son).
 
2017-04-18 09:44:20 AM  
People have different opinions of what "incredible" means. I'll stick to the early '80s definition.
 
2017-04-18 09:48:57 AM  

Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.


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Looks like Trump did organise it.
 
2017-04-18 09:54:27 AM  

Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.


The raid Trump actually ordered actually did nothing.  It didn't even temporarily disable the airfield.

The Doolittle raid was a ballsy thing.
 
2017-04-18 09:57:13 AM  

rbuzby: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

The raid Trump actually ordered actually did nothing.  It didn't even temporarily disable the airfield.

The Doolittle raid was a ballsy thing.


A modern Doolittle Raid would be like launching A-10s off an aircraft carrier, attacking various targets around Iran, then landing them in Afghanistan.
 
2017-04-18 10:00:10 AM  

rbuzby: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Drumpf it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

The raid Drumpf actually ordered actually did nothing.  It didn't even temporarily disable the airfield.

The Doolittle raid was a ballsy thing.


Yeah, had Trump order the Doolittle raid, he would have warned the Japanese hours ahead of time.
 
2017-04-18 10:05:14 AM  
I was on board USS Ranger for the 50th anniversary of this raid, and got to meet a bunch of those guys.

Giant balls doesn't begin to describe those old men.

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2017-04-18 10:09:24 AM  

Publikwerks: rbuzby: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Drumpf it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

The raid Drumpf actually ordered actually did nothing.  It didn't even temporarily disable the airfield.

The Doolittle raid was a ballsy thing.

Yeah, had Trump order the Doolittle raid, he would have warned the Japanese hours ahead of time.


And then it would have lived up to its name, by doing little.
 
2017-04-18 10:09:25 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-18 10:12:41 AM  

Rent Party: I was on board USS Ranger for the 50th anniversary of this raid, and got to meet a bunch of those guys.

Giant balls doesn't begin to describe those old men.

[laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com image 850x565]


Hell, just getting off the flight deck took massive balls.  The ships were tossing around so much they had to time their brake release so they didn't go off the flight deck and into the next wave.  The proper time to trip the brakes with the engines on full?  When the bow was pitched furthest down and you were staring straight at the ocean.  Yeah, imagine doing that for your first carrier takeoff.
 
2017-04-18 10:21:20 AM  

dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.


Also, Japan occupied Alaska believing that the bombers couldn't have been launched from carriers.
 
2017-04-18 10:21:50 AM  
They really bombed the heck out of Germany.
 
2017-04-18 10:22:20 AM  
Hope everything is alright.
 
2017-04-18 10:24:58 AM  

Deep Contact: They really bombed the heck out of Germany.


You're on a roll
 
2017-04-18 10:27:52 AM  

Polish Hussar: Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.


It was a main goal of their Pearl operation, too. Japan's hopes in the Pacific required knocking out the American carriers. If they do that, they win at Coral Sea, and the US never manages to take Guadalcanal. Without Japan having to maintain a distant meat-grinder, they succeed in their Malay campaign and isolate the ANZAC forces from the US and UK. Without having a southern base from which to stage, the US island-hopping campaign can never get off the ground. I'm not sure a non-intervention treaty ever gets signed -- it was probably not politically viable in the US. It would probably become something of a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, with both sides knowing full well it was a war delayed, not a war prevented.

The wildcard is what British India would have done. The locals were never that supportive of the war, and Japanese support for local independence might have tipped Southeast Asia towards Japan for a long time.
 
2017-04-18 10:30:25 AM  

PreMortem: People have different opinions of what "incredible" means. I'll stick to the early '80s definition.


Great show.
 
2017-04-18 10:31:29 AM  

Polish Hussar: dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.

Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.


I'd assume the "pressing need to take out the [aircraft carriers]" was rammed home into every admiral after Bismark (ignoring Mitchel was relatively easy).  But admirals can be pretty dense, and only when the entire Imperial command is insisting that their honor is besmirched thanks to allowing carrier operations will get things going.
 
2017-04-18 10:33:46 AM  
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One of the best books that ties much of aviation together. For the most part, truly awesome men. (Eddie Rickenbacker....wow.) Groom's tale of the Tokyo raid is a great read that brings life to a much-told story.
 
2017-04-18 10:35:58 AM  

Polish Hussar: Deep Contact: They really bombed the heck out of Germany.

You're on a roll


And since it was Germany, he's on a Kaiser roll.
 
2017-04-18 10:37:03 AM  
A friend of mine maintains this website:  http://www.doolittleraider.com/

His dad was one of Doolittle's Raiders.  He piloted plane #10.
 
2017-04-18 10:37:45 AM  

dittybopper: Polish Hussar: Deep Contact: They really bombed the heck out of Germany.

You're on a roll

And since it was Germany, he's on a Kaiser roll.


Kaiser rolls are best for Hamburgers.
 
2017-04-18 10:37:55 AM  

This text is now purple: Polish Hussar: Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.

It was a main goal of their Pearl operation, too. Japan's hopes in the Pacific required knocking out the American carriers. If they do that, they win at Coral Sea, and the US never manages to take Guadalcanal. Without Japan having to maintain a distant meat-grinder, they succeed in their Malay campaign and isolate the ANZAC forces from the US and UK. Without having a southern base from which to stage, the US island-hopping campaign can never get off the ground. I'm not sure a non-intervention treaty ever gets signed -- it was probably not politically viable in the US. It would probably become something of a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, with both sides knowing full well it was a war delayed, not a war prevented.

The wildcard is what British India would have done. The locals were never that supportive of the war, and Japanese support for local independence might have tipped Southeast Asia towards Japan for a long time.


That's a lot of stuff to do in the months it would have taken America to get a new squad of carriers built and outfitted, all the meanwhile wrecking Japanese shipping with subs.

During the war, the US built 160 aircraft carriers, including 24 fleet carriers, 9 light carriers, and the rest escort carriers.
 
2017-04-18 10:37:57 AM  
One of the old flight sims I had, Jane's ATF, had all sort of mission creation and editing features. I learned why B2s aren't flown from carriers when I put one on as part of a mission. Even with running the engines to full and then releasing the brakes, the best I could manage was a slow dive into the water.
I did find I could successfully take off in a F-117 if I backed it all the way up to the rear deck and did a full power brake release take off.
 
2017-04-18 10:41:23 AM  
Saw a couple of the B25's fly over a few days ago.  I'm gonna stand around today between noon and 3.  Should be great.
 
2017-04-18 10:45:28 AM  
Saw 2 B1's fly over the day before that.  Cool planes.
 
2017-04-18 10:47:03 AM  

Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.


If you are going to drop acid it's important not to confuse your hallucinations with reality.
 
2017-04-18 10:48:38 AM  

This text is now purple: Polish Hussar: Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.

It was a main goal of their Pearl operation, too. Japan's hopes in the Pacific required knocking out the American carriers. If they do that, they win at Coral Sea, and the US never manages to take Guadalcanal. Without Japan having to maintain a distant meat-grinder, they succeed in their Malay campaign and isolate the ANZAC forces from the US and UK. Without having a southern base from which to stage, the US island-hopping campaign can never get off the ground. I'm not sure a non-intervention treaty ever gets signed -- it was probably not politically viable in the US. It would probably become something of a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, with both sides knowing full well it was a war delayed, not a war prevented.

The wildcard is what British India would have done. The locals were never that supportive of the war, and Japanese support for local independence might have tipped Southeast Asia towards Japan for a long time.


Actually, it would have *DELAYED* the US, but not stopped them.  At the time of Pearl Harbor, we had five Essex class carriers on the ways, and because of a lack of need for air power in the Atlantic, we could have transferred those carriers to the Pacific.  There were only 2 carriers assigned to Pearl on December 7th, 1941:  USS Lexington, and USS Enterprise.  The other six US carriers were elsewhere.

The loss of 25% of the US carrier fleet would have hurt, yes, but as a practical matter they could be replaced relatively quickly.  Japan, on the other hand, never had the ability to replace her capital ships or significantly grow her navy.  The US was going to win no matter what:  Eventually even with higher losses, the economic strength of the US (about 40% of all combatants in WWII, Allied and Axis combined) meant that Japan was ultimately going to lose.
 
2017-04-18 10:49:56 AM  
I got to see a few of these gentlemen years ago when I was working at the Air Force Association, sat there looking at them with an awed look on my face for a while. They talked a bit to the group, had lunch and took a tour of the new office.
 
2017-04-18 10:53:05 AM  

mudpants: Saw 2 B1's fly over the day before that.  Cool planes.


The B-1's and the B-25's are part of the commeration of the 75th anniversary at Wright-Patterson today.  It sounds like every flying B-25 that could make it is there.
 
2017-04-18 10:54:17 AM  
There was a restaurant in San Antonio called Karsm's.  IIRC, that's where the first reunion was held.  They had a wall dedicated to them.
 
2017-04-18 10:54:50 AM  

uber humper: There was a restaurant in San Antonio called Karsm's Karam's.  IIRC, that's where the first reunion was held.  They had a wall dedicated to them.


FTFM
 
2017-04-18 10:55:20 AM  

Polish Hussar: mudpants: Saw 2 B1's fly over the day before that.  Cool planes.

The B-1's and the B-25's are part of the commeration of the 75th anniversary at Wright-Patterson today.  It sounds like every flying B-25 that could make it is there.


It would be great if we could keep all those B-25s together permanently, like the UK's Battle of Britain Memorial Flight.
 
2017-04-18 10:59:28 AM  
From Studs Terkel's Pulitzer Prize winning book, 'The Good War'

I believed in my government. Whatever Roosevelt said, by god -- and he was God -- we believed it. When I was in the Marine Corps, I was totally dedicated. They gave me a rifle and when they said go forward and kill that enemy or be killed, you did it. You didn't question it, 'cause you're doing it for your country. Now I'm sixty-eight years of age and I've had a chance to reflect back on my life. I've had a chance to sit down and do a lot of reading and a lot of studying. Now, I question. I question my government and I think every American should. I don't think that any individual can say Mom, apple pie, and the President of the United States is it and stop thinking. Whatever the government says is not always right.

More excerpts here- worth a few minutes
 
2017-04-18 11:00:48 AM  

Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.


Not that you're wrong, but was it really nessecary to open the thread with 'muh Trump'?
 
2017-04-18 11:03:04 AM  

Polish Hussar: Chris Ween: And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Robert Cole, the last surviving Doolittle Raider, on Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor:"

"The movie had a fictionalized rendition of the Raid, and the producer flew some of the Raiders, including Cole, to Hawaii for a premiere aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis. So I called Cole and asked him how he liked the movie.

'The popcorn was good,' he deadpanned."

Source article (it also says Mr. Cole had an ostritch and an emu at one point thanks to his son).


Thanks.  interesting.
 
2017-04-18 11:06:12 AM  
I look forward to seeing the B1 fly over Dayton today.
 
2017-04-18 11:08:17 AM  

Highroller48: dittybopper: Polish Hussar: Deep Contact: They really bombed the heck out of Germany.

You're on a roll

And since it was Germany, he's on a Kaiser roll.

Kaiser rolls are best for Hamburgers.


Eaten in Hamburg.
 
2017-04-18 11:12:04 AM  

Polish Hussar: Rent Party: I was on board USS Ranger for the 50th anniversary of this raid, and got to meet a bunch of those guys.

Giant balls doesn't begin to describe those old men.

[laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com image 850x565]

Hell, just getting off the flight deck took massive balls.  The ships were tossing around so much they had to time their brake release so they didn't go off the flight deck and into the next wave.  The proper time to trip the brakes with the engines on full?  When the bow was pitched furthest down and you were staring straight at the ocean.  Yeah, imagine doing that for your first carrier takeoff.


It's been done.  In fact, it's been done with a twin engine piston aircraft.

Prop Plane Flies Through Wave!
Youtube L4D6GxkPMgs
 
2017-04-18 11:13:04 AM  

dittybopper: This text is now purple: Polish Hussar: Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.

It was a main goal of their Pearl operation, too. Japan's hopes in the Pacific required knocking out the American carriers. If they do that, they win at Coral Sea, and the US never manages to take Guadalcanal. Without Japan having to maintain a distant meat-grinder, they succeed in their Malay campaign and isolate the ANZAC forces from the US and UK. Without having a southern base from which to stage, the US island-hopping campaign can never get off the ground. I'm not sure a non-intervention treaty ever gets signed -- it was probably not politically viable in the US. It would probably become something of a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, with both sides knowing full well it was a war delayed, not a war prevented.

The wildcard is what British India would have done. The locals were never that supportive of the war, and Japanese support for local independence might have tipped Southeast Asia towards Japan for a long time.

Actually, it would have *DELAYED* the US, but not stopped them.  At the time of Pearl Harbor, we had five Essex class carriers on the ways, and because of a lack of need for air power in the Atlantic, we could have transferred those carriers to the Pacific.  There were only 2 carriers assigned to Pearl on December 7th, 1941:  USS Lexington, and USS Enterprise.  The other six US carriers were elsewhere.

The loss of 25% of the US carrier fleet would have hurt, yes, but as a practical matter they could be replaced relatively quickly.  Japan, on the other hand, never had the ability to replace her capital ships or significantly grow her navy.  The US was going to win no matter what:  Eventually even with higher losses, the economic strength of the US (about 40% of all combatants in WWII, Allied and Axis combined) meant that Japan was ultimately going to lose.


Here's Jonathan Parshall speaking at the US Naval War College.  He and Anthony Tully wrote "Shattered Sword," one of the preeminent books about the Battle of Midway.  He agrees with Ditty, he estimates that a US loss at Midway would have only prolonged the war by a year.  I've queued the video to where he charts carrier losses and construction throughout the war, it is an amazing difference.  He goes into the greater economic disparity from there:

Naval Heritage | Jonathan Parshall: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway
Youtube Y9rkKtK1b44
 
2017-04-18 11:16:22 AM  

This text is now purple: Polish Hussar: Not only take Midway, but drive home the pressing need to take out the American aircraft carriers, which was one of the main goals of Japan's Midway operation.

Although, you could argue this was a psychological effect of the raid because it provided the major motivation to pursue these goals in the minds of the Japanese leadership.

It was a main goal of their Pearl operation, too. Japan's hopes in the Pacific required knocking out the American carriers. If they do that, they win at Coral Sea, and the US never manages to take Guadalcanal.


"Never" of course meaning "not until the US replaces it's carrier fleet at crash production speeds"

Japan was way, way out of its weight class. The only way you win fights like that is some sort of lightning quick death blow like the Germans did to, uh, everyone around them, or you hurt the other guys bad enough that they dont have the will to keep fighting.

Japan wasn't about to land an invasion force in California, and even if they did, the notion that any such force could deal a death blow with any sort of speed is absurd.

Nor was the US national mood post-pearl much given to walking away from this fight. It's hard to imagine the sinking of several carriers doing much to cool tempers.
 
2017-04-18 11:16:43 AM  

Chris Ween: ordered by President Trump


You have a nice day.

Bless your heart.
 
2017-04-18 11:18:16 AM  

dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.


And the Japanese killed 250,000 Chinese in retaliation for providing airfields where the bombers could land.
 
2017-04-18 11:20:40 AM  
Oops, I forgot the link.
 
2017-04-18 11:22:02 AM  
flabslapper.files.wordpress.com
 
2017-04-18 11:25:53 AM  

Ned Stark: Not that you're wrong, but was it really necessary to open the thread with 'muh Trump'?


He could have opened with FDR serving as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 until 1920, helping to implement Navy policies during WWI.  So experience and knowledge would have been employed to weather to risk the Hornet and the B-25s or not.
 
2017-04-18 11:26:32 AM  

CordycepsInYourBrain: dittybopper: Chris Ween: If that raid had been ordered by President Trump it would have been vilified as a do-nothing show nothing Wag the Dog. In practical effect it did nothing. In psychological effect it was everything.

And reliving of that in the movie Pearl Harbor is the only saving grace of that movie. It was a well done 20 minutes showing that raid and how it was pulled off.

Actually, it did have a practical effect.  It forced the Japanese to keep resources (men, ships, aircraft) in and around the home islands to defend against a replay of that raid when they could have been elsewhere.  It also cemented the idea that Japan needed to take Midway in order to have a more forward defense, which of course led to them getting their asses kicked.

And the Japanese killed 250,000 Chinese in retaliation for providing airfields where the bombers could land.


They would have killed them anyway.
 
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