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2017-04-17 04:58:00 PM  
Drunk driver runs a red light
Stoned driver waits for stop sign to turn green
 
2017-04-17 05:01:35 PM  
Marc Emery's story is long, complicated, and very interesting. I think what the Canadian government did to him (or really didn't do for him) was wrong, but there are times where he says or does stuff like this that just doesn't help his cause.
 
2017-04-17 05:16:51 PM  

derpes_simplex: Drunk driver runs a red light
Stoned driver waits for stop sign to turn green


The difference I've found, and this is just the anecdotes of myself and friends for whatever that's worth, is that if you're too drunk to drive but you want to go somewhere you really have to fight the "It'll be alright, I've had a few beers but I'm cool." shoulder devil.  Too high to drive and you'll just flat out think "I am WAY too high for this", mosey to the fridge instead and eat leftover pizza.
 
2017-04-17 05:22:51 PM  
Pot affects your decision making ability. It shows a measurable effect on driving, but the jury is still out on all the factors and how to enforce that.

Mixing pot and alcohol? That is showing to be double bad news. That 0.08 is affecting your more like a 0.16. Crashes with multiple intoxicants are going up.


/ WA State
// wife works in traffic safety
/// Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis.
 
2017-04-17 05:26:47 PM  

Rev.K: Marc Emery's story is long, complicated, and very interesting. I think what the Canadian government did to him (or really didn't do for him) was wrong, but there are times where he says or does stuff like this that just doesn't help his cause.


It's maybe not a thing that's popular to say out loud, but he's not wrong. I probably have well more than the requisite 10000 hours required to be an expert at driving while high. While I might be slightly less attentive than I would be sober, I'm also usually travelling much slower and driving far less aggressively. It's a successful strategy when dealing with a road full of idiots.

But this is not for everyone, nor should it be universally permitted. There are lots of occasions and lots of people for whom driving high is a stupid idea.

I'm not sure what all the hand wringing is about when it comes to roadside testing (or the lack of any good way to administer it). There are already a pretty good test- The standard sobriety coordination tests. If you can pass those, then what does it really matter if you're high?
 
2017-04-17 05:39:03 PM  
I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.
 
2017-04-17 05:57:26 PM  

unyon: It's maybe not a thing that's popular to say out loud, but he's not wrong. I probably have well more than the requisite 10000 hours required to be an expert at driving while high. While I might be slightly less attentive than I would be sober, I'm also usually travelling much slower and driving far less aggressively. It's a successful strategy when dealing with a road full of idiots.


I don't doubt you or Marc Emery, but you're not the people that need to be convinced about marijuana legalization.

The people who do need to be convinced about the merits of legalization will almost certainly take great issue with what Marc Emery is saying. Again, not that he's wrong, it just doesn't help his cause.
 
2017-04-17 05:59:52 PM  

garumph: Pot affects your decision making ability. It shows a measurable effect on driving, but the jury is still out on all the factors and how to enforce that.

Mixing pot and alcohol? That is showing to be double bad news. That 0.08 is affecting your more like a 0.16. Crashes with multiple intoxicants are going up.


/ WA State
// wife works in traffic safety

/// Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis.



Can I blame  her for the toll lanes on 405?   :-)
 
2017-04-17 06:59:13 PM  

whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.


Can you honestly say that you've never considered yourself too high to drive?  Now maybe you didn't actually drive and good on you if you didn't, but you've never been there?  Come on now, I partake myself (on and off for over two decades), I'm quite pro-pot but let's be real here, it IS a psychoactive chemical.  It IS a drug.  You CAN overdose (not fatally but still).
 
2017-04-17 07:18:30 PM  

nekom: whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.

Can you honestly say that you've never considered yourself too high to drive?  Now maybe you didn't actually drive and good on you if you didn't, but you've never been there?  Come on now, I partake myself (on and off for over two decades), I'm quite pro-pot but let's be real here, it IS a psychoactive chemical.  It IS a drug.  You CAN overdose (not fatally but still).


Nope. Nope,. And Nope. And "overdosing" on pot sounds like something Jeff Sessions would say. Congratulations.
 
2017-04-17 07:42:12 PM  

unyon: It's maybe not a thing that's popular to say out loud, but he's not wrong. I probably have well more than the requisite 10000 hours required to be an expert at driving while high.


I think Malcolm Gladwell is a pot smoker, too, so this makes sense.

My cousin has been smoking for decades, and the cops (small town) all know who she is and that she smokes. She never gets pulled over because:

A) She doesn't weave or go stupid when she smokes. She's got lots of practice, I guess.
B) The cops love her green chile burritos and coffee and stop at her Alaska-style coffee hut every day. She comps their coffee any time during their shift.
 
2017-04-17 07:45:46 PM  
Aw fark. Greenlit.

Cue Fark Pot Downer Squad in 3--2--1....
 
2017-04-17 08:03:57 PM  
Treat it like alcohol, no more and no less.  It is fun to see the "I'm better at 'x' when I'm high" types though, if only they could view footage of themselves after wards, 99/100 you would be embarrassed, that other one percent is the people who were sold the stale bunk...again.
 
2017-04-17 08:17:46 PM  
Meanwhile the King of Kettle, who regularly drives while on prescription painkillers and/or muscle relaxants, calls Prince of Pot irrecoverably irresponsible.

/in other news: royalty tends to do stupid shiat.
 
2017-04-17 08:33:51 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-17 08:37:41 PM  

koder: Meanwhile the King of Kettle, who regularly drives while on prescription painkillers and/or muscle relaxants, calls Prince of Pot irrecoverably irresponsible.

/in other news: royalty tends to do stupid shiat.


Yep, yep, and yep.  Been on a lot of scrip painkillers for a lot of years - yes, medically not just for amusement.  I pretty much do not drive because of this - it just wouldn't be even safe-ish.  Barring a major emergency where others are seriously incapacitated, I'm not getting behind the wheel unless I've had a light enough amount that day that I'm not substantially impaired.  Unfortunately, that's a pretty rare day - but I've never understood people's "Well the doctor gave it to me so I can drive!" attitude.  Doesn't matter what got you there, if you're messed up significantly you don't need to be operating machinery, including a vehicle.
 
2017-04-17 08:38:46 PM  

Rev.K: Marc Emery's story is long, complicated, and very interesting. I think what the Canadian government did to him (or really didn't do for him) was wrong, but there are times where he says or does stuff like this that just doesn't help his cause.


Yep, I'm going to go with this.

Pot smokers?  shiat like this doesn't help your cause of getting pot to be fully legal.

whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.


Oddly, I've known a lot of "buzzed driving" people who make the same exact argument.

Whidbey, ignoring the possibility you're WRONG, you should realize that statements like this do not help your cause.  Simply put, most people don't believe it and it reinforces the idea that marijuana legalization advocates are a bunch of drugged up bullshiat artists who just want to get high constantly regardless of the consequences.
 
2017-04-17 08:39:10 PM  
Alcohol physically impairs your motor skills and eye-site.... Thats why its illegal.   Pot doesn't do that.
 
2017-04-17 08:39:49 PM  

whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.


So the marijuana you've smoked hasn't altered your thought process, or perception of reality in any way? Then why do you bother smoking it?
 
2017-04-17 08:46:36 PM  
I never smoke pot unless I've been drinking first because it makes me kinda paranoid otherwise. So driving while high is never really an option for me.
 
2017-04-17 08:50:39 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: unyon: It's maybe not a thing that's popular to say out loud, but he's not wrong. I probably have well more than the requisite 10000 hours required to be an expert at driving while high.

I think Malcolm Gladwell is a pot smoker, too, so this makes sense.

My cousin has been smoking for decades, and the cops (small town) all know who she is and that she smokes. She never gets pulled over because:

A) She doesn't weave or go stupid when she smokes. She's got lots of practice, I guess.
B) The cops love her green chile burritos and coffee and stop at her Alaska-style coffee hut every day. She comps their coffee any time during their shift.


She sounds kinda hot
 
2017-04-17 08:51:06 PM  
Generally speaking, if you're experienced enough for something to be second nature (video games, driving, rock climbing, etc) AND you have a bunch of experience with weed, you're probably in good shape to do that thing while high.

That being said, don't drive high.
 
2017-04-17 08:51:10 PM  

trialpha: whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.

So the marijuana you've smoked hasn't altered your thought process, or perception of reality in any way? Then why do you bother smoking it?


It feels good.  Cannabis is NOT a visual hallucinogen.  Auditory maybe, it does make music sound better.

You can't compare cannabis to any other drug, so treating it like any other drug doesn't make any sense.

As for altering thought processes (for the VAST majority of people) it alters them in a way conducive to safe driving.  It makes you calmer, less prone to rage and driving an artificially low speed limit no longer feels oppressive.   You might forget to take your exit though.  Good thing GPS exists.

You CAN be to high to drive, but you don't want to drive when you're that high anyway (unlike with booze).  A good dose of adrenaline also sobers you up pretty quick as well.

The current blood limits for THC are laughably low.  Someone just picked a number out of their ass on that one.  Probably because doing real studies is basically illegal.
 
2017-04-17 08:51:22 PM  
I guess it affects different people differently. I am not worth a shiat after smoking even a little dope.

Drinking, to a degree? Pfft.
 
2017-04-17 08:51:43 PM  
That's brilliant.  So now he only drives straight and gets a big settlement from the cops for harassment and illegal stops.

/didn't RTFA.
 
2017-04-17 08:52:18 PM  

trialpha: whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.

So the marijuana you've smoked hasn't altered your thought process, or perception of reality in any way? Then why do you bother smoking it?


Not that I think he's telling the truth but...

He said it didn't impair [his] driving. That and altering a thought process, or perception of reality in any way is not necessarily the same thing. A thought process or perception of reality can most certainly be altered in a manner that not only doesn't impair driving, but, even, improves it. That's the whole goal of, for example, driving school.
 
2017-04-17 08:52:37 PM  

garumph: Mixing pot and alcohol? That is showing to be double bad news. That 0.08 is affecting your more like a 0.16. Crashes with multiple intoxicants are going up.


/ WA State
// wife works in traffic safety
/// Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis.


If you are drunk and stoned but still gotta drive, all you gotta do is toss in some meth to bring that reaction time back down and  help keep you focused.  I drive for UPS and that's what we do.
 
2017-04-17 08:53:23 PM  
It's hard to lose control at 4 MPH while balancing a bag of Cheetos.

Whatever you do, don't look in the rear view.
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-17 08:54:33 PM  

whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.


Bullshiat. Fark you.
 
2017-04-17 08:56:59 PM  
Every single person commenting in this thread has had 4 drops of acid and drove.

Yes, you.

Yes, you, too.
 
2017-04-17 08:57:26 PM  
I have been too high to drive, but it usually involved LSD.  Seriously, if you are freshly smoked out, it's a really good idea to wait a half hour or so to level out.  Write some haikus about how the leaves look from your window.
 
2017-04-17 08:58:34 PM  

cameljockey69: I once had a pot head I worked with  ask me, somewhat incredulously, "geez mon, you say pot affects the brain? Pot doesn't affect MY brain.!" Did I mention he was holding a soldering torch next to the tassel of the knit cap he was wearing, next to a can of aerosol? Anyone wanna guess what happened next?


Is there any chance this guy might not be a giant brain while sober?
 
2017-04-17 09:00:00 PM  
Some legitimate research on the subject: Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance (PDF).
 
2017-04-17 09:01:11 PM  

Rev.K: unyon: It's maybe not a thing that's popular to say out loud, but he's not wrong. I probably have well more than the requisite 10000 hours required to be an expert at driving while high. While I might be slightly less attentive than I would be sober, I'm also usually travelling much slower and driving far less aggressively. It's a successful strategy when dealing with a road full of idiots.

I don't doubt you or Marc Emery, but you're not the people that need to be convinced about marijuana legalization.

The people who do need to be convinced about the merits of legalization will almost certainly take great issue with what Marc Emery is saying. Again, not that he's wrong, it just doesn't help his cause.


Or the other smokers.
 
2017-04-17 09:01:33 PM  

cameljockey69: I once had a pot head I worked with  ask me, somewhat incredulously, "geez mon, you say pot affects the brain? Pot doesn't affect MY brain.!" Did I mention he was holding a soldering torch next to the tassel of the knit cap he was wearing, next to a can of aerosol? Anyone wanna guess what happened next?


He fixed the cable?
 
2017-04-17 09:02:59 PM  
But law enforcement agencies in Canada and safety experts are warning incidents of drug-impaired driving could rise.

This is kind of ridiculous.  If they don't think people have been driving stoned for decades, they're out of their minds.  If anything, pot makes you hyper aware when driving.  BUT, if you're a shiatty driver to begin with, it's not going to make you a better driver.  Alcohol will always be #1 when it comes to accidents and fatalities.

Also, this guy is an idiot for publicly proclaiming he always drives stoned.  That's not going to help anyone, it's just going to make law enforcement more twitchy when it comes to hassling people.
 
2017-04-17 09:02:59 PM  
Alcohol does the same.  After the right amount of booze, I'm a better driver, better at shooting pool, and a stud in the sack.
 
2017-04-17 09:03:16 PM  
Driving while high is no worse than driving while tired, or depressed, or angry, or on prescription drugs, or hungry, etc.

Let's just hurry up and get self driving cars right so we can just ban driving while anything.
 
2017-04-17 09:05:08 PM  

maxandgrinch: It's hard to lose control at 4 MPH while balancing a bag of Cheetos.

Whatever you do, don't look in the rear view.
[img.fark.net image 550x373]


The Duder crashed because he dropped his roach under his crotch, which would fall under 'distracted driving'.

Distracted driving really does kill.  So smoke up BEFORE engaging park, no matter how fun it is to knee the steering wheel while toking a bowl at 70mph.  And for GAWD'S SAKE don't text and drive.
 
2017-04-17 09:05:09 PM  

cameljockey69: I once had a pot head I worked with  ask me, somewhat incredulously, "geez mon, you say pot affects the brain? Pot doesn't affect MY brain.!" Did I mention he was holding a soldering torch next to the tassel of the knit cap he was wearing, next to a can of aerosol? Anyone wanna guess what happened next?


He fixed the cable?
 
2017-04-17 09:06:13 PM  
I'm getting a contact-high from this thread.
 
2017-04-17 09:06:33 PM  
The Summoning has begun! The anti-cannabis Gorgan will soon be among us!

Hail, hail, fire and snow!
Call the angel we will go
Far away, for to see
Friendly Angel, come to me!
 
2017-04-17 09:07:21 PM  

lewismarktwo: maxandgrinch: It's hard to lose control at 4 MPH while balancing a bag of Cheetos.

Whatever you do, don't look in the rear view.
[img.fark.net image 550x373]

The Duder crashed because he dropped his roach under his crotch, which would fall under 'distracted driving'.

Distracted driving really does kill.  So smoke up BEFORE engaging park, no matter how fun it is to knee the steering wheel while toking a bowl at 70mph.  And for GAWD'S SAKE don't text and drive.


*Drive

/lols, stone cold sober for several years now
 
2017-04-17 09:07:31 PM  

jtown: cameljockey69: I once had a pot head I worked with  ask me, somewhat incredulously, "geez mon, you say pot affects the brain? Pot doesn't affect MY brain.!" Did I mention he was holding a soldering torch next to the tassel of the knit cap he was wearing, next to a can of aerosol? Anyone wanna guess what happened next?

He fixed the cable?


Missed it by *that* much.
 
2017-04-17 09:08:25 PM  
Dear Stoners,

This is why the rest of us don't like you.

Sincerely,
People who don't drive impaired.
 
2017-04-17 09:08:39 PM  
You were supposed to keep that on the low, dickbag.
 
2017-04-17 09:09:04 PM  
Here is something most of us can agree on. The Prince of Pot's wife is a hottie. (Borderline nsfw)
 
2017-04-17 09:10:38 PM  

nekom: whidbey: I've smoked marijuana for 35 years and it has NEVER impaired my driving.

Ever. Pot DUI's are a crock of shiat.

Can you honestly say that you've never considered yourself too high to drive?  Now maybe you didn't actually drive and good on you if you didn't, but you've never been there?  Come on now, I partake myself (on and off for over two decades), I'm quite pro-pot but let's be real here, it IS a psychoactive chemical.  It IS a drug.  You CAN overdose (not fatally but still).


I've been driving stoned for a couple of decades. There have been a handful of times I've thought I was too stoned to drive. Usually I'll realize it before I leave, but if I don't and I'm driving when that realization hits me, I"ll pull into a store and wander around until it wears off a little.
 
2017-04-17 09:13:22 PM  

garumph: Pot affects your decision making ability. It shows a measurable effect on driving, but the jury is still out on all the factors and how to enforce that.

Mixing pot and alcohol? That is showing to be double bad news. That 0.08 is affecting your more like a 0.16. Crashes with multiple intoxicants are going up.


/ WA State
// wife works in traffic safety
/// Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis.


I agree completely and I've flipped rafts running whitewater over 50 times!  The 3 1/4 flips I did in a van avoiding a head-on with a lady asleep at the wheel was by far the worst!  As I was leaving the road for the ditch to avoid the head-on, she still came over and hit me behind the driver's door causing the 3 1/4 flips!  Sleep driving is the most dangerous of all, followed by texting and drunks!  There is no real statistical difference in stoned verses non-impared drivers in controlled studies!
 
2017-04-17 09:14:18 PM  

WilderKWight: Dear Stoners,

This is why the rest of us don't like you.

Sincerely,
People who don't drive impaired.


You've never been on some cold medicine or had the flu or maybe just not had your full 8 hours and drove before?

If you have, congrats, you were more impaired than most high drivers.
 
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