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(Variety)   Vin Diesel is the Frog Prince of movie stars   ( variety.com) divider line
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2017-04-17 12:19:08 AM  
You keep what you kill.
 
2017-04-17 12:27:46 AM  
He had his passion projects, like the "Pitch Black" films, but his career as a grounded-on-earth actor was basically over.

Way to completely dismiss the first Pitch Black movie.

BalugaJoe: You keep what you kill.


Sadly the second Pitch Black is probably the closest we'll ever get in spirit to a big-budget movie set in the Warhammer 40k universe.
 
2017-04-17 01:42:03 AM  
Hipsters

Stopped reading there. I like him. He's a nerd. Variety can go back to examining their own arsehole.
 
2017-04-17 01:44:02 AM  
"The scenes that reveal how Charlize Theron's supervillain is manipulating him may be a bit moist."

Moist? Dufuq?
 
2017-04-17 01:44:46 AM  
Huh. I never thought of Vin Diesel as the "star you love to hate, to mock". He's done some cheesy enough stuff like The Pacifier, but honestly I never really cared since I'd normally watch his movies just to watch him move around and hopefully shed clothing.

Still nice to see someone defending him, I suppose.
 
2017-04-17 01:45:18 AM  

Sid_6.7: He had his passion projects, like the "Pitch Black" films, but his career as a grounded-on-earth actor was basically over.

Way to completely dismiss the first Pitch Black movie.

BalugaJoe: You keep what you kill.

Sadly the second Pitch Black is probably the closest we'll ever get in spirit to a big-budget movie set in the Warhammer 40k universe.


I'd part with some blood to see a D&D movie helmed by Diesel.  It might not be a hit but at least it would stick to the lore and core themes.
 
2017-04-17 01:48:09 AM  
He is a very wealthy Frog Prince.
 
2017-04-17 02:07:40 AM  

Sid_6.7: Sadly the second Pitch Black is probably the closest we'll ever get in spirit to a big-budget movie set in the Warhammer 40k universe.


It's pretty clear that the Riddick properties (both the video games and the movies) are "whatever Vin Diesel feels like doing".  The first one was basically a mix between Alien and Aliens, but it had bits and pieces he clearly threw in there just because they'd never been in a movie before despite seeming obvious.  The second one was almost 100% experimental, mixing up elements of kung-fu movies with Warhammer and structured almost like a tabletop RPG plot instead of the usual video-game nonsense.  A third of the last movie was a silent film about Riddick randomly being a desert nomad for a bit, essentially discarding continuity entirely.

He's clearly using them to do what amounts to experimental cinema, with the usual mixed results (well-received in 1 and 3, not so much in 2).  So if he feels like pulling hard on 40k for the fourth one, it's going to happen whether the critics are likely to approve or not.

Flappyhead: I'd part with some blood to see a D&D movie helmed by Diesel.  It might not be a hit but at least it would stick to the lore and core themes.


Er... he did one:

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Not sure what you mean by 'lore and core themes', though.  D&D is a mechanical system, it's not a setting or defined story like 40k is.

And, um... yeah, wasn't a hit so much.

// Babylon AD was sort of a Cyberpunk 2020 thing, too.  Or a shadowrun game whose DM had just bought the Cthulhu RPG books, depending how you interpret it.
 
2017-04-17 02:10:27 AM  

tokyogirl79: Huh. I never thought of Vin Diesel as the "star you love to hate, to mock". He's done some cheesy enough stuff like The Pacifier, but honestly I never really cared since I'd normally watch his movies just to watch him move around and hopefully shed clothing.

Still nice to see someone defending him, I suppose.


I've never thought of him as that either, though I can't share your enthusiasm about his body.  He seems like a decent enough guy, the FF movies aren't my thing, but I enjoyed the original Pitch Black and Boiler Room.

He's found a very profitable niche with the FF movies.  I saw the first one, and never would have thought it would spawn the franchise it has, but they seem to have a rabid fanbase.

/Ronin is still my favorite car-chase movie
 
2017-04-17 02:15:45 AM  
I wish there had been 5 or so Riddick movies, with a more tied in story, they were odd but interesting and watchable, the game was fun also
 
2017-04-17 02:22:44 AM  
The Fast and Furious movies suck.

Love Riddick movies, though.  Really hope he makes another.
 
2017-04-17 03:25:27 AM  

Jim_Callahan: / Babylon AD was sort of a Cyberpunk 2020 thing, too.  Or a shadowrun game whose DM had just bought the Cthulhu RPG books, depending how you interpret it.


Haven't seen that one yet. Worth watching?
 
2017-04-17 03:41:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Sid_6.7: Sadly the second Pitch Black is probably the closest we'll ever get in spirit to a big-budget movie set in the Warhammer 40k universe.

It's pretty clear that the Riddick properties (both the video games and the movies) are "whatever Vin Diesel feels like doing".  The first one was basically a mix between Alien and Aliens, but it had bits and pieces he clearly threw in there just because they'd never been in a movie before despite seeming obvious.  The second one was almost 100% experimental, mixing up elements of kung-fu movies with Warhammer and structured almost like a tabletop RPG plot instead of the usual video-game nonsense.  A third of the last movie was a silent film about Riddick randomly being a desert nomad for a bit, essentially discarding continuity entirely.

He's clearly using them to do what amounts to experimental cinema, with the usual mixed results (well-received in 1 and 3, not so much in 2).  So if he feels like pulling hard on 40k for the fourth one, it's going to happen whether the critics are likely to approve or not.

Flappyhead: I'd part with some blood to see a D&D movie helmed by Diesel.  It might not be a hit but at least it would stick to the lore and core themes.

Er... he did one:

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Not sure what you mean by 'lore and core themes', though.  D&D is a mechanical system, it's not a setting or defined story like 40k is.

And, um... yeah, wasn't a hit so much.

// Babylon AD was sort of a Cyberpunk 2020 thing, too.  Or a shadowrun game whose DM had just bought the Cthulhu RPG books, depending how you interpret it.


I liked it. The Last Witch Hunter is possibly the best B-movie I've ever seen.
 
2017-04-17 03:52:14 AM  
If Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 does the kind of business it seems likely to do, he'll soon have a second huge box office hit this year.
 
2017-04-17 03:52:17 AM  

fusillade762: Worth watching?


If you enjoy his other movies, sure.  It's sort of got a low-art Blade Runner / Total Recall thing going on.  It's a bit of a brainless movie considering how noir it tries to be, but you probably won't want your 90 minutes back or anything.
 
2017-04-17 04:56:59 AM  
Eh, he's OK. He's talented enough without being irritating. He's no John Cena, though. And I always see him as the understudy for The Rock or Cena if something horrible were to happen to them. You don't have to be a master thespian to do the kinds of movies Vin Diesel does, so, like the film critic here (and god, I hate most film critics), I don't really understand why people have to trash Diesel.
 
2017-04-17 05:11:33 AM  

fusillade762: Jim_Callahan: / Babylon AD was sort of a Cyberpunk 2020 thing, too.  Or a shadowrun game whose DM had just bought the Cthulhu RPG books, depending how you interpret it.

Haven't seen that one yet. Worth watching?


Even the director doesn't like it, so ....

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/529651-babylon_ad_director_math​i​eu_kassovitz_doesnt_have_kind_words_for_fox

The film even feels massacred.
 
2017-04-17 05:28:04 AM  

fusillade762: Hipsters

Stopped reading there. I like him. He's a nerd. Variety can go back to examining their own arsehole.


This. I don't watch Fast and Furious because I don't like cars, but I've pretty much liked everything I've seen Vin Diesel in. His problem isn't that he's unpopular, his problem is he keeps tying himself into franchises (F&F, XXX, Riddick) so he can't broaden his scope of appeal. His foray into Guardians of the Galaxy was genius.

But yah, nerd power.
 
2017-04-17 05:59:29 AM  
And no mention of his voice work. Way to pick and choose to make your point, failauthor.

/Suuupermaaann
 
2017-04-17 06:02:37 AM  
Vin Diesel needs to go back to his roots.

Skip the F&F, the D&D, and Pitch Black and bring us the breakdancing movie the world needs.

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2017-04-17 06:11:34 AM  
A "leave Vin Diesel alone" thread. Ok, time to log off the internet.
 
2017-04-17 06:23:09 AM  
My employer strives to put as few zeroes on my paycheck as possible.   Vin Diesel seems to have the opposite problem.

Where do I sign up to be the next frog prince of Hollywood?
 
2017-04-17 07:06:59 AM  
The Pacifier was the best.
 
Ash
2017-04-17 07:34:12 AM  
I love Chronicles of Riddick.  While the following movie was also cool, I wish it had more Necromongers in it.  Pitch Black, of course, was great too.  I have never watched any of the Furious movies, i'm not really a car guy so they were not on my list.
 
2017-04-17 08:05:26 AM  
He's the action-film equivalent of a politician (like, you know, Trump or Obama) whose legitimacy has never been fully accepted by the other party


No. just, no.
 
2017-04-17 08:20:02 AM  
He's worth 160 million, I doubt he cares what you call him.  Well unless you're the Rock and you call him a lazy fark.
 
2017-04-17 08:51:04 AM  
This article is way off, and beyond pretentious. Fark Variety and the NY Times.

I'm no fan of action crap or his movies, but he is a fine actor and seems like a stand up guy.

The reason uppity people can dis him is his stage name is cheesy - which he certainly regrets now - and his voice, which is faux tough guy personified, but is his actual voice.
 
2017-04-17 08:58:28 AM  
He's a reasonable actor as a tough guy. He was great in "Find Me Guilty" and I think his character was the one I enjoyed the most in "Knockaround Guys."
 
2017-04-17 08:59:31 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Sid_6.7: Sadly the second Pitch Black is probably the closest we'll ever get in spirit to a big-budget movie set in the Warhammer 40k universe.

It's pretty clear that the Riddick properties (both the video games and the movies) are "whatever Vin Diesel feels like doing".  The first one was basically a mix between Alien and Aliens, but it had bits and pieces he clearly threw in there just because they'd never been in a movie before despite seeming obvious.  The second one was almost 100% experimental, mixing up elements of kung-fu movies with Warhammer and structured almost like a tabletop RPG plot instead of the usual video-game nonsense.  A third of the last movie was a silent film about Riddick randomly being a desert nomad for a bit, essentially discarding continuity entirely.

He's clearly using them to do what amounts to experimental cinema, with the usual mixed results (well-received in 1 and 3, not so much in 2).  So if he feels like pulling hard on 40k for the fourth one, it's going to happen whether the critics are likely to approve or not.

Flappyhead: I'd part with some blood to see a D&D movie helmed by Diesel.  It might not be a hit but at least it would stick to the lore and core themes.

Er... he did one:

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Not sure what you mean by 'lore and core themes', though.  D&D is a mechanical system, it's not a setting or defined story like 40k is.

And, um... yeah, wasn't a hit so much.

// Babylon AD was sort of a Cyberpunk 2020 thing, too.  Or a shadowrun game whose DM had just bought the Cthulhu RPG books, depending how you interpret it.


I love the first one, really like the 3rd one, and am kind of "meh" about the second. I liked the bit in the prison, but the Necromonger stuff was a bit too overblown. I love the Riddick world, because you can see he might be a murderer, but he's got a code. (I liked how he chided himself for losing a step, and getting abandoned on the desert planet.)

And, lord, do I like his voice. Mrowr.
 
2017-04-17 09:21:24 AM  
They were just saying on the radio this morning that world wide box offices numbers for FF8 was the largest opening box office ever, beating out The Force Awakens by $3M...

I saw the Fate, and enjoyed it. It was certainly better than I was expecting, and the whole "Dom turns on his family" schtick was pretty predictable, but it still played out well...

They also announced 2 more sequels apparently. So this Fast and Furious thing doesn't have a foreseeable end to it...
 
2017-04-17 09:45:16 AM  
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2017-04-17 10:16:47 AM  
Dude needs to star in some Shakespear to get the critics on his side.
 
2017-04-17 11:24:56 AM  
I became a bigger fan when I found out what he did on behalf of Judi Dench for Chronicles. The studio wasn't going to pay her all that much and when Diesel found out, he threatened to pull out of the project unless she got paid more. He also was the one who lobbied for her in the first place.

https://mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=507

"Mr. Diesel, a six-foot-three-inch former bouncer from New York turned film star, was bowled over by Breath of Life, Dame Judi`s latest West End triumph. He is now demanding she appear as his co-star in a proposed trilogy of big-budget science fiction films to be called The Chronicles of Riddick.

Not only that, but he said he wanted to introduce some "class" into the science fiction genre, but was shocked to find out how relatively little classical British actresses are traditionally paid in Hollywood and has gone on the offensive to change that.

While Mr. Diesel will be paid $14 million U.S. and a share of box office receipts for each Riddick movie, he has told Universal, the studio funding the $128-million project, he wants an "exceptional" salary for his proposed co-star. "The dame will not ask for it herself, so I will use my muscle to get it," he told colleagues. Although negotiations will not be finished before the end of February, Hollywood sources believe Dame Judi could earn $7 million a film."

And I liked XXX enough to buy the DVD which I watch now and then. It's a lot of fun, IMO. Haven't see The Fate of the Furious yet, but loved the last 3 ones.
 
2017-04-17 11:47:02 AM  
I thought it was funny that at the bottom of an article about how Vin Diesel gets no respect was this

Filed Under:  Dwayne Johnson , Paul Walker ,  Vin Diesel
 
2017-04-17 12:16:51 PM  

MmmCrime: . He was great in "Find Me Guilty" ...


This. Stumbled onto this movie and thoroughly enjoyed it.
 
2017-04-17 12:38:32 PM  
People don't like Vin Diesel?  By all accounts he's a super nice man and while F&F is stupid it's intentionally stupid.  They are not intended to be serious.  I can completely understand not liking his movies (well except for Boiler Room because it's great), but there is nothing wrong with them existing and making money.  Lots of people like popcorn flicks and F&F is pretty damn good at delivering over the top spectacle.
 
2017-04-17 01:09:28 PM  

Thosw: /Suuupermaaann


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I was gonna be really hurt if I was the first one to bring this up.
 
2017-04-17 01:16:46 PM  

BrianGriffin: I became a bigger fan when I found out what he did on behalf of Judi Dench for Chronicles. The studio wasn't going to pay her all that much and when Diesel found out, he threatened to pull out of the project unless she got paid more. He also was the one who lobbied for her in the first place.


You got anything on her reaction to all that? because I imagine it was full of confusion. a quiet dignified confusion, but still utter bewilderment. "wait, this young bloke who has only been in a handful of silly action films... is demanding I get $7M for a supporting part, or else he will sink the entire project?"

He's one of the people I honestly think should be given a was of startup money for any idea he has. He's enough of a name to pull publicity, and he's going to make it decent enough given he's a nerd.
 
2017-04-17 01:20:38 PM  
F8 was FUN.  Whether it was the car hack attack, the prison brawl, the airplane rescue, .... wow.  There was one truly hard to watch moment, and I'm still mad about that.  But what a ride.  That movie was worth the hours on the clock.  I can't say the same about the entire series, but this one nailed it.

My favorite quotes went something like  "Go Red DRAGONS!"
and "Were you really going to shoot a ****? Shame on you."
 
2017-04-17 01:28:10 PM  
Yeah, I think people that aren't fans of Vin just don't think about him. The only ones that love to hate him or snark on him are Variety.
 
2017-04-17 01:37:47 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: "wait, this young bloke who has only been in a handful of silly action films... is demanding I get $7M for a supporting part, or else he will sink the entire project?"


By 2004 (Chronicles of Riddick), Diesel had been in two films nominated for Best Picture.

Which I think is the same count Dench had in 2004.
 
2017-04-17 01:59:40 PM  
Pitch Black was awesome. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
 
2017-04-17 02:14:24 PM  

BigSquibowski: MmmCrime: . He was great in "Find Me Guilty" ...

This. Stumbled onto this movie and thoroughly enjoyed it.


Thirded. Article fails without mentioning his performance in that one.
 
2017-04-17 02:21:18 PM  
I wasn't aware I was supposed to dislike Vin Diesel.  I've enjoyed all the FF movies and the Chronicles movies.  No accounting for taste with me I suppose.
 
2017-04-17 03:13:52 PM  
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I thought that was some other guy....
 
2017-04-17 03:35:54 PM  

This text is now purple: ThatGuyOverThere: "wait, this young bloke who has only been in a handful of silly action films... is demanding I get $7M for a supporting part, or else he will sink the entire project?"

By 2004 (Chronicles of Riddick), Diesel had been in two films nominated for Best Picture.

Which I think is the same count Dench had in 2004.


I assume one was SPR, which had a huge cast... and Vin had a fairly small part with only a few minutes onscreen. He wasn't really a star.
I mean, he's still more or less a b-list actor. I think that's a shame because I like him. way back 13years ago he was... even less of a star.
 
2017-04-17 03:46:12 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: The Fast and Furious movies suck.

Love Riddick movies, though.  Really hope he makes another.


Fast and Furious money is what makes Riddick possible.
 
2017-04-17 05:46:58 PM  

The Bestest: Satanic_Hamster: The Fast and Furious movies suck.

Love Riddick movies, though.  Really hope he makes another.

Fast and Furious money is what makes Riddick possible.


I know, but I'm still not watching them.
 
2017-04-17 06:31:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I know, but I'm still not watching them.


So you're here all high and mighty about not watching them while telling us how much they suck.  LOL sure thing, cupcake
 
2017-04-17 06:57:14 PM  
Sam Jackson used to have a pretty good box office track record.... Jurassic Park, Sith, the Avengers movies.... but i'm wondering if Emma Watson is now number 1.... 

She had all those Harry Potter movies, which made a billion each, and now Beauty and the Beast is a billion dollar film, as well.
 
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