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(Idaho Statesman)   Local uproar about cheese waste fed to cattle. No whey - don't they know that's where cheeseburgers come from?   ( idahostatesman.com) divider line
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2017-04-16 05:05:37 PM  
I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.
 
2017-04-16 06:04:56 PM  
That's Nasty
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2017-04-16 07:21:22 PM  
Yes whey.

Yes Way
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2017-04-16 07:26:50 PM  
I can't see anything gouda coming from this.
 
2017-04-16 07:29:51 PM  

ginandbacon: I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.


Actually they used to do this in more places. My guess is someone with money lives downwind, and that's the real problem. You see, that fermenting stuff stinks. The same cultures that make the cheese are still active. That's why storing it outside doesn't matter, because nothing is going to start growing in it with the sugars being actively eaten. At least nothing that can compete with the already active cultures.

Smells like a cheese factory, and someone who's got money doesn't like that.
 
2017-04-16 07:33:14 PM  
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2017-04-16 07:40:44 PM  
So, storing things to be fed to cows outside, where it might get bits of cowshiat in it?

Yeah, that's horrible!

Oh, wait.

Cows eat stuff that's growing out of the ground, and they eat it about six feet from where shiat comes out the other end of the cow, sometimes at the same time stuff growing out of the cowshiat covered ground is going in.

Maybe it's not that much of a problem after all.
 
2017-04-16 07:59:34 PM  
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2017-04-16 08:01:44 PM  
The problem is the effect it has on a cow's digestive system

/If you think regular cow farts are bad, these are whey worse
 
2017-04-16 08:13:32 PM  
On the list of things to gripe about in cattle farming, having what basically amount to an above ground protein powder drink is down somewhere around the ten thousand mark.
 
2017-04-16 08:30:30 PM  
DarkVader

So, storing things to be fed to cows outside, where it might get bits of cowshiat in it?

Yeah, that's horrible!

Oh, wait.

Cows eat stuff that's growing out of the ground, and they eat it about six feet from where shiat comes out the other end of the cow, sometimes at the same time stuff growing out of the cowshiat covered ground is going in.

Maybe it's not that much of a problem after all.


I was thinking the same thing. There used to be a dairy in my town and folks used to go there and scoop up the massive amount of cow manure in the fields for free and use it as fertilizer for their lawns, gardens and plants. I happened to notice that the diary rotated the cows from section to section to let the grass grow thicker and deeper, fertilized by the thousands of mounts of cow shiat. Then they'd let the cows back in to consume the grass grown in their very own shiat.

A perfect recycling circle.

Ever watched those Alaskan wilderness series? In spring when the snow melts the ground turns into sludge, their cows, brought in for the winter into smaller pens, are walking through knee high mud mixed with tons of shiat. The farmers throw fresh hay on top of this mess and the cows eat it. So, they're eating cow shiat and dirt also. In the summer, the cows are turned loose in huge, wild pastures. Their shiat fertilizes those sections also.

The farmers drink the milk, eat the meat and probably make and eat cheese and think nothing of it. plus they'll sell cows to other people who also think nothing of it.

Sun drying the whey is an energy economical way to condense the stuff down to be used as a food additive. Maybe a plastic liner should be used, but other companies store toxic chemicals in dirt ponds with just clay liners. Plus, there are feed companies which buy rendered meat products from assorted animals, including rotten ones, scraps from slaughter houses and grind it all up and add it to pet food.

What? You think they're going to grind up porterhouse steaks, fresh picked peas and carrots, sun washed grains, the finest salmon or seafood to produce a food you can feed your pet? Actually, thanks to these companies reusing tons of materials that used to be tossed away, they save vast amounts of landfill, are able to keep the cost of their products down and provide a healthly food for your Mr. Whiskers or Ol' Joe.

Then there are the cattle and horse food makers who take the time to specially mix grains and vitamins, even vegetables in huge batches for a farmers herds, depending on what they need. They're not above adding pounds of meat fibers for protein -- which can come from wholesalers, who get their products from rendering plants who get their animals from farmers who have deceased animals scattered about their land.

BTW, whole animals are tossed in the rendering tank, and the fist thing that comes off is hundreds of gallons of mixed oils -- which are sold to heavy industry for lubricants, bio-diesel makers, perfumeries and a score more of industries. The hides are peeled off and sold to leather companies -- either to be made into clothing, shoes, leather industrial parts and a host more --, while the meat is processed out, cooked sterile pressed down and squeezed to get rid of most of the grease and shipped to pet food factories and fertilizer plants. The bones are sent to fertilizer plants or places which produce carbon black.

By the time they get done, there isn't even sludge left to be disposed of. The heat of processing is high enough to kill any harmful bacteria.

Which means you're probably using bits of a reeking, stinking decaying cow in your home and not knowing it. If you're an artist, you're familiar with Carbon Black.

Thousands of tons of whey are processed every year from hundreds of cheese plants and instead of tossing it away with all of the valuable nutrients it still contains, they sell it for feed additives, fertilizer and a dozen other uses.

I mean decades ago everyone biatched about the cost of things and about the massive amounts of waste, so plants started recycling things. Scraps from meat plants that were gross but still edible get processed into pet foods, things like food additives and even those Chicken Nuggets you're so crazy about. (Your great-grandmaw probably used to make Chicken Foot soup, which many have said was delicious.)

Years ago, Farmers used to toss a lot of the guts away, until folks started eating things like kidneys, hearts, gizzards, brains and even spinal cords (the brains and cords became illegal due to Mad Cow Disease) then they started selling them at increasing prices. (Supply and demand.)

Today a whole lot of people biatch about 'garbage meats' being added to foods, but if this stops, your meat products will double in price, pet foods will go up and enormous chunks of land will have to be added to land fills, which even more people will disagree with.

BTW: Pasta companies discovered how to take boxes of pasta that were cosmetically damaged and usually given by the carload to charities, and recycle them. (The pasta is ground up into powder and added to fresh mix.) It saves them money, but now the tons of pasta designated for the poor has drastically dropped in supply, so a cheap source of food has diminished. Good for the companies and the waste naysayers but not so good for poor folks.

Maybe folks should not look too closely into things unless they know what is going on.
 
2017-04-16 09:11:23 PM  

inglixthemad: ginandbacon: I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.

Actually they used to do this in more places. My guess is someone with money lives downwind, and that's the real problem. You see, that fermenting stuff stinks. The same cultures that make the cheese are still active. That's why storing it outside doesn't matter, because nothing is going to start growing in it with the sugars being actively eaten. At least nothing that can compete with the already active cultures.

Smells like a cheese factory, and someone who's got money doesn't like that.


The cultires that make cheese are primarily rennet, a culture found in calves stomach. Whey is a byproduct of the process that separates the curds (which when pressed becomes cheese), and the liquid which is whey. The whey is generally processed into products like ricotta cheese.
Use every part of that tasty cow.
 
2017-04-16 09:30:25 PM  
So, cheese de..Brie is being fed to cows and the environ..Emmenthal...ists are afraid the animals will turn into Muensters ? 

Face it, it's a Feta accompli.
 
2017-04-16 09:35:13 PM  

capt.hollister: So, cheese de..Brie is being fed to cows and the environ..Emmenthal...ists are afraid the animals will turn into Muensters ? 

Face it, it's a Feta accompli.


Just skimming the surface for the cream of the crop when it comes to cheese puns.
 
2017-04-16 09:43:56 PM  

eyeq360: capt.hollister: So, cheese de..Brie is being fed to cows and the environ..Emmenthal...ists are afraid the animals will turn into Muensters ? 

Face it, it's a Feta accompli.

Just skimming the surface for the cream of the crop when it comes to cheese puns.


Just remember to say them all in a curdish accent...
 
2017-04-16 09:52:39 PM  

moos: eyeq360: capt.hollister: So, cheese de..Brie is being fed to cows and the environ..Emmenthal...ists are afraid the animals will turn into Muensters ? 

Face it, it's a Feta accompli.

Just skimming the surface for the cream of the crop when it comes to cheese puns.

Just remember to say them all in a curdish accent...


I'm just Boursin at the seams. You Cantal how excited I am at the prospect of showing my Fontina of knowledge.
 
2017-04-16 11:11:35 PM  

ginandbacon: I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.


It's also a practice that's been done for decades without anyone complaining. Case in point: a buddy of mine used to be an equipment operator for a Lay's potato processing plant in Nevada. Their wastewater was used on local alfalfa fields and in retention ponds. Not dumped directly into streams or anything, but it was applied everywhere and it was hundreds of millions of gallons per year. Nobody batted an eye and the farmers that owned the irrigated fields sold their hay at a premium. Potato wastewater has a ton of nutrients in it and farmers do not have to use extra chemicals and fertilizers.

Also, here's the plant in question. The "pond" is partly full just to the north of the plant itself, on the same plot of land. I find it amusing that a couple anonymous complaints generates this much hassle, yet to the very south of the plant there is a much larger gravel and concrete facility. What? No complaints about air and water quality there? They too have a retention pond. There's also an airport, a golf course, and tons of new residential development amidst all the farmland (and old friend of mine lives just out of view of the screenshot). And they biatch about a whey pond? Get real, folks.

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2017-04-16 11:19:01 PM  
I didn't even know cheese could poop, let alone that they feed it to cows. Gross!
 
2017-04-16 11:22:35 PM  

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: I didn't even know cheese could poop, let alone that they feed it to cows. Gross!


Well.....what did you think cheese cultures are?
 
2017-04-17 12:18:16 AM  

moos: eyeq360: capt.hollister: So, cheese de..Brie is being fed to cows and the environ..Emmenthal...ists are afraid the animals will turn into Muensters ? 

Face it, it's a Feta accompli.

Just skimming the surface for the cream of the crop when it comes to cheese puns.

Just remember to say them all in a curdish accent...


It's edam gouda try
 
2017-04-17 01:21:20 AM  
What kind of moron feeds DAIRY products to COWS?!  Cows do not consume dairy!
 
2017-04-17 02:58:20 AM  

MorteDiem: inglixthemad: ginandbacon: I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.

Actually they used to do this in more places. My guess is someone with money lives downwind, and that's the real problem. You see, that fermenting stuff stinks. The same cultures that make the cheese are still active. That's why storing it outside doesn't matter, because nothing is going to start growing in it with the sugars being actively eaten. At least nothing that can compete with the already active cultures.

Smells like a cheese factory, and someone who's got money doesn't like that.

The cultires that make cheese are primarily rennet, a culture found in calves stomach. Whey is a byproduct of the process that separates the curds (which when pressed becomes cheese), and the liquid which is whey. The whey is generally processed into products like ricotta cheese.
Use every part of that tasty cow.


Not quite, rennet is an enzyme (or a compound containing several enzymes, rather) not a bacterial culture. The bacterial cultures are separate and vary based on the type of cheese. But otherwise the process is correct.

Otherwise the use of whey for animal feed has been done for millennia. The Romans used whey as a major food source for pigs. And, as mentioned, animals eat things that often aren't very clean. If you can show that these people are doing something wrong (such as if they put chemical wastewater in the pond), go ahead and I will be 100% behind you but, until you can show that action, the basic premise seems pretty sound to me.
 
2017-04-17 05:20:30 AM  
So cheeseburgers don't come from Cheeseburg?
 
2017-04-17 06:04:56 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: ginandbacon: I was going to go on a whole rant about how good whey is for livestock but then I RTFA and now I'm just going to sit down and shut the fark up.

That is just nasty, yo.

It's also a practice that's been done for decades without anyone complaining. Case in point: a buddy of mine used to be an equipment operator for a Lay's potato processing plant in Nevada. Their wastewater was used on local alfalfa fields and in retention ponds. Not dumped directly into streams or anything, but it was applied everywhere and it was hundreds of millions of gallons per year. Nobody batted an eye and the farmers that owned the irrigated fields sold their hay at a premium. Potato wastewater has a ton of nutrients in it and farmers do not have to use extra chemicals and fertilizers.

Also, here's the plant in question. The "pond" is partly full just to the north of the plant itself, on the same plot of land. I find it amusing that a couple anonymous complaints generates this much hassle, yet to the very south of the plant there is a much larger gravel and concrete facility. What? No complaints about air and water quality there? They too have a retention pond. There's also an airport, a golf course, and tons of new residential development amidst all the farmland (and old friend of mine lives just out of view of the screenshot). And they biatch about a whey pond? Get real, folks.

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That was interesting AND edifying. Thank you.

BTW, before the famine, when it was basically illegal for the Irish to eat anything but potatoes, they were the longest-lived, tallest, and healthiest population in Europe. Taters have more vitamin C than oranges, more potassium than bananas, and more iron than greens. 

I think I might make a Spanish tortilla for dinner tonight...
 
2017-04-17 08:19:18 AM  
Cows consuming cows milk and cows milk products...  Shocking.
 
2017-04-17 09:50:29 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: I didn't even know cheese could poop, let alone that they feed it to cows. Gross!

Well.....what did you think cheese cultures are?


Bacteria. Not poop. Just like UnspokenVoice is full of poop, not people.
 
2017-04-17 09:57:41 AM  
Do I dare ask what they feed pigs?
 
2017-04-17 12:42:02 PM  

grouser: Do I dare ask what they feed pigs?


The leftover bits left from the slaughterhouse, or so I've read.
The pigs they turn into prosciutto in Italy get whey.
 
2017-04-17 04:03:34 PM  

eyeq360: grouser: Do I dare ask what they feed pigs?

The leftover bits left from the slaughterhouse, or so I've read.
The pigs they turn into prosciutto in Italy get whey.


I think is restricted now. Historically the leftover bits were commonly used as a source of protein in animal feed. Pigs, chickens, sheep, cows, all of it. Your cow used to be fed cow brains. And then mad cow disease happened and they started restricting the use of some parts of animals (namely brain and spinal cord).

But, pigs still tend to be fed a bunch of byproducts and leftovers from various processes. Same thing pigs have lived off of for centuries. Except instead of table scraps they are factory scraps.
 
2017-04-17 10:13:32 PM  

eyeq360: grouser: Do I dare ask what they feed pigs?

The leftover bits left from the slaughterhouse, or so I've read.
The pigs they turn into prosciutto in Italy get whey.


The pigs in Spain that become Jamico, and other varieties of ham, get acorns.
 
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