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2017-04-16 07:21:24 AM  
A class action defamation suit by the toilet cleaner's union?
 
2017-04-16 07:36:34 AM  
After five years, they give you a brush
i.ytimg.com
 
2017-04-16 07:43:45 AM  
Telephone sanitizer.
 
2017-04-16 08:09:43 AM  
Odds that this assistant professor (ie the hired help) lorded his pretentious position over the lowly walmart worker to the point where no one could resist messing with him.  Or maybe this assistant professor at one point marked the walmart employee's papers and contributed to him and/or her failing out and now working at walmart.

Assistant professor of "technology education", ie he baby sits the kids while they bumble through the hardware section, maybe.
 
2017-04-16 08:12:14 AM  
I have a few questions:
Why does the state of Montana have occupation listed on the license itself? I understand asking for that information in the first place, but what business does it have being on the fishing license?
Why did he not review the license when he got it? Errors happen and a spiteful DNR official can make your life miserable for an error that wasn't your fault.
What are the chances that they can find the employee that did this? If he did something like this, there's a good chance he got canned for something by now.
Why couldn't Walmart and the assistant professor work out some sort of agreement by now? It's been over a year since he went to the media on this.
What kind of "hatred, contempt, ridicule" did this really expose him to? It's a line on a fishing license. At best, you're getting a nuisance settlement out of this. I can't see actual damages being easy to prove.
 
2017-04-16 08:19:59 AM  
Obviously it was an electronic system, and the employee filling in the form selected 'Toilet Attendant' from the DDLB quite accidentally. Easily done because it's right above 'Twat'.
 
2017-04-16 08:36:40 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Odds that this assistant professor (ie the hired help) lorded his pretentious position over the lowly walmart worker to the point where no one could resist messing with him.  Or maybe this assistant professor at one point marked the walmart employee's papers and contributed to him and/or her failing out and now working at walmart.

Assistant professor of "technology education", ie he baby sits the kids while they bumble through the hardware section, maybe.


Assistant professor just means haven't gone up for tenure promotion yet.  He's probably a newish hire but he's still a real professor (whatever that means)
 
2017-04-16 08:36:45 AM  

SpiritualRemains: I have a few questions:
Why does the state of Montana have occupation listed on the license itself? I understand asking for that information in the first place, but what business does it have being on the fishing license?
Why did he not review the license when he got it? Errors happen and a spiteful DNR official can make your life miserable for an error that wasn't your fault.
What are the chances that they can find the employee that did this? If he did something like this, there's a good chance he got canned for something by now.
Why couldn't Walmart and the assistant professor work out some sort of agreement by now? It's been over a year since he went to the media on this.
What kind of "hatred, contempt, ridicule" did this really expose him to? It's a line on a fishing license. At best, you're getting a nuisance settlement out of this. I can't see actual damages being easy to prove.


What does occupation have to do with getting a fishing license?

"Fresh or salt? Resident or visitor? That'll be $15."
 
2017-04-16 08:37:39 AM  

Vampire Lake: BumpInTheNight: Odds that this assistant professor (ie the hired help) lorded his pretentious position over the lowly walmart worker to the point where no one could resist messing with him.  Or maybe this assistant professor at one point marked the walmart employee's papers and contributed to him and/or her failing out and now working at walmart.

Assistant professor of "technology education", ie he baby sits the kids while they bumble through the hardware section, maybe.

Assistant professor just means haven't gone up for tenure promotion yet.  He's probably a newish hire but he's still a real professor (whatever that means)


Yeah, adjunct is the "hired help" in your rent.
 
2017-04-16 08:40:40 AM  
If I were this guy's superior, I would be suspending him.  Filing a defamation lawsuit over something like this shows that he harbors contempt for people who do clean for a living.  There is nothing wrong with cleaning toilets and frankly I am glad there are people out there willing to do it.
 
2017-04-16 08:41:25 AM  
There is nothing that tells me the guy wasn't an ass while/during/before (constantly) the fishing license purchasing process. And then he sues? What a chump!

Gilbert Kalonde, assistant professor of technology education at MSU

Oh, that speaks volumes!  And it gets even better...

Personal Statement
Dr. Gilbert Kalonde, who goes by Kalonde among his peers
Read up on the good, vague, petty Doctor: http://www.montana.edu/education/faculty/kalondeContact.html
 
2017-04-16 08:44:02 AM  

aperson: If I were this guy's superior, I would be suspending him.  Filing a defamation lawsuit over something like this shows that he harbors contempt for people who do clean for a living.  There is nothing wrong with cleaning toilets and frankly I am glad there are people out there willing to do it.


I actually know someone who just got into toilet cleaning, on purpose. That was an upward transition from sushi chef. IIRC, he was doing both (or at least training) simultaneously. I hope he washed his hands...
 
2017-04-16 08:44:34 AM  
When I retired, I taught at UMF, for a couple of years. I'd have giggled, had they done something like that. Who the hell takes that sort of stuff so seriously?
 
2017-04-16 08:44:48 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: SpiritualRemains: I have a few questions:
Why does the state of Montana have occupation listed on the license itself? I understand asking for that information in the first place, but what business does it have being on the fishing license?
Why did he not review the license when he got it? Errors happen and a spiteful DNR official can make your life miserable for an error that wasn't your fault.
What are the chances that they can find the employee that did this? If he did something like this, there's a good chance he got canned for something by now.
Why couldn't Walmart and the assistant professor work out some sort of agreement by now? It's been over a year since he went to the media on this.
What kind of "hatred, contempt, ridicule" did this really expose him to? It's a line on a fishing license. At best, you're getting a nuisance settlement out of this. I can't see actual damages being easy to prove.

What does occupation have to do with getting a fishing license?

"Fresh or salt? Resident or visitor? That'll be $15."


Does seem like an odd thing to ask.

/Salt. I rarely bass fish anymore.
 
2017-04-16 08:45:58 AM  

Percise1: Dr. Gilbert Kalonde, who goes by Kalonde among his peers


As in:  Kalonde!  Get these papers graded and get my BMW washed by noon!
 
2017-04-16 08:50:05 AM  
"In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.
 
2017-04-16 08:51:26 AM  
media2.s-nbcnews.com

Does this look like a frickin' toilet brush?
 
2017-04-16 08:53:50 AM  
This is the very definition of a frivolous lawsuit.  I may have contacted corporate to alert them of the smart ass employee, but going as far as getting a lawyer is just douchy.  The guy just comes off as a pretentious butt hurt snob.
 
2017-04-16 08:54:46 AM  
There is an additional factor to this that the article studiously avoids mentioning.
He's black, and he was insulted that the Walmart employee altered his license in order to knock him down for being uppity.
 
2017-04-16 08:56:42 AM  
Do you know what else exposes you to ridicule?  Being such an ass that you file a lawsuit over this.
 
2017-04-16 09:00:43 AM  

sithon: There is an additional factor to this that the article studiously avoids mentioning.
He's black, and he was insulted that the Walmart employee altered his license in order to knock him down for being uppity.


 No. The guy is an asshole.
 
2017-04-16 09:02:43 AM  
img.fark.net
/What the assistant might look like...
 
2017-04-16 09:03:27 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: SpiritualRemains: I have a few questions:
Why does the state of Montana have occupation listed on the license itself? I understand asking for that information in the first place, but what business does it have being on the fishing license?
Why did he not review the license when he got it? Errors happen and a spiteful DNR official can make your life miserable for an error that wasn't your fault.
What are the chances that they can find the employee that did this? If he did something like this, there's a good chance he got canned for something by now.
Why couldn't Walmart and the assistant professor work out some sort of agreement by now? It's been over a year since he went to the media on this.
What kind of "hatred, contempt, ridicule" did this really expose him to? It's a line on a fishing license. At best, you're getting a nuisance settlement out of this. I can't see actual damages being easy to prove.

What does occupation have to do with getting a fishing license?

"Fresh or salt? Resident or visitor? That'll be $15."


Try about 5 times that.
 
2017-04-16 09:06:29 AM  
I thought this story was silly too. But I tell you all the other stories linked were depressing. A woman kidnapped and chained for months, a mother who slit the throats of her two children, a 1 year old that was taken away because it was found outside unattended for the 3rd time. Man I just got bummed out. What are people capable of doing?
 
2017-04-16 09:18:07 AM  
I can just tell he is one of these people:

"It is DR Kalande to you <pause> My dear wife"
 
2017-04-16 09:19:23 AM  

abhorrent1: "In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.


You'd be wrong. His CV indicates that he both got his first degree and taught high school there.
 
2017-04-16 09:20:00 AM  
As someone who was a professor but now cleans toilets as part of my job duties, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/full-time employment with health insurance is a better deal than I ever got from a college
 
2017-04-16 09:25:12 AM  

gonegirl: abhorrent1: "In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.

You'd be wrong. His CV indicates that he both got his first degree and taught high school there.


This makes me have a little sympathy for him. It can be really difficult to negotiate cultural differences. He may have done/said something to the Wal-Mart person that would have been ok in Zambia but not here.  Similarly, he might be reacting in a way that would be ok where he is from but seems like an overreaction to us.

If this is the case, I am inclined to think he should be more aware of cultural differences and more able to let things slide.
 
2017-04-16 09:26:17 AM  

Percise1: There is nothing that tells me the guy wasn't an ass while/during/before (constantly) the fishing license purchasing process. And then he sues? What a chump!

Gilbert Kalonde, assistant professor of technology education at MSU

Oh, that speaks volumes!  And it gets even better...

Personal Statement
Dr. Gilbert Kalonde, who goes by Kalonde among his peers
Read up on the good, vague, petty Doctor: http://www.montana.edu/education/faculty/kalondeContact.html


Oh.
 
2017-04-16 09:26:46 AM  

Percise1: aperson: If I were this guy's superior, I would be suspending him.  Filing a defamation lawsuit over something like this shows that he harbors contempt for people who do clean for a living.  There is nothing wrong with cleaning toilets and frankly I am glad there are people out there willing to do it.

I actually know someone who just got into toilet cleaning, on purpose. That was an upward transition from sushi chef. IIRC, he was doing both (or at least training) simultaneously. I hope he washed his hands...


Why? It would probably add some needed flavor.
 
2017-04-16 09:29:40 AM  
The plumber might get paid more then he does
 
2017-04-16 09:34:08 AM  
Walmart won't be installing high tech toilets any time soon. There's nothing like a technology professor with a grudge who might return mischief at a very sensitive moment.
 
2017-04-16 09:36:32 AM  

sithon: There is an additional factor to this that the article studiously avoids mentioning.
He's black, and he was insulted that the Walmart employee altered his license in order to knock him down for being uppity.


In that neighborhood, the employee was probably black too, but you tried.

If the employee was white, then this kind of person would be squealing "racism" loud enough to wake the chickens.
 
2017-04-16 09:37:24 AM  

Vampire Lake: gonegirl: abhorrent1: "In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.

You'd be wrong. His CV indicates that he both got his first degree and taught high school there.

This makes me have a little sympathy for him. It can be really difficult to negotiate cultural differences. He may have done/said something to the Wal-Mart person that would have been ok in Zambia but not here.  Similarly, he might be reacting in a way that would be ok where he is from but seems like an overreaction to us.

If this is the case, I am inclined to think he should be more aware of cultural differences and more able to let things slide.


I worked with a guy not too long out of Africa (can not recall which country) who got himself a degree and a cushy E S&H corporate job, and while he probably could have been a nice guy, he was so full of himself that he was completely insufferable. To be fair, he was probably a success story; switched continents, learned languages and did well for himself. That is something to be proud of, and perhaps there was a cultural perspective going on as well, but it didn't change the fact that few people could stand dealing with him.

(he once freaked out when I opened a cardboard box with a pocket knife, saying I was violating company policy by carrying a concealed weapon. I told him that if I wanted to hurt him, I'd use a length of bar stock or a dead blow hammer from my tool box; the knife wasn't a concern. Good times...)
 
2017-04-16 09:39:16 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Vampire Lake: BumpInTheNight: Odds that this assistant professor (ie the hired help) lorded his pretentious position over the lowly walmart worker to the point where no one could resist messing with him.  Or maybe this assistant professor at one point marked the walmart employee's papers and contributed to him and/or her failing out and now working at walmart.

Assistant professor of "technology education", ie he baby sits the kids while they bumble through the hardware section, maybe.

Assistant professor just means haven't gone up for tenure promotion yet.  He's probably a newish hire but he's still a real professor (whatever that means)

Yeah, adjunct is the "hired help" in your rent.


Depends on the university. At my old school Adjunct was the entry level position. After five years you applied for tenure and were promoted to Assistant (if the tenure committee turned you down it was time to move on because you were about to lose your lab space and be relegated to teaching only). Later, following decent research and some time in an administrative role (eg. Grad Chair, Associate Dean, etc.) you were promoted to full Professor.

If you were hired only for teaching, you were in a non-tenure track position and were called a Lecturer, although you were considered faculty and had the same input as tenured track people with respect to issues related to undergraduate teaching, course development, etc. Lecturers could even be the Undergrad Chair.
 
2017-04-16 09:41:32 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: I thought this story was silly too. But I tell you all the other stories linked were depressing. A woman kidnapped and chained for months, a mother who slit the throats of her two children, a 1 year old that was taken away because it was found outside unattended for the 3rd time. Man I just got bummed out. What are AREN'T people capable of doing?


fixed that, unfortunately.  :(
 
2017-04-16 09:43:14 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Percise1: aperson: If I were this guy's superior, I would be suspending him.  Filing a defamation lawsuit over something like this shows that he harbors contempt for people who do clean for a living.  There is nothing wrong with cleaning toilets and frankly I am glad there are people out there willing to do it.

I actually know someone who just got into toilet cleaning, on purpose. That was an upward transition from sushi chef. IIRC, he was doing both (or at least training) simultaneously. I hope he washed his hands...

Why? It would probably add some needed flavor.


Seriously? Like beef flavor or something?
Do you live in a land locked state, or do you smoke?

/sushi can have a lot of flavor, especially the rolls
 
2017-04-16 09:47:05 AM  

loonatic112358: The plumber might get paid more then he does


Was curious and bored so I googled it.

Average salary of a Montana plumber is 57k.

Average salary of a Montana assistant professor is 87k.
 
2017-04-16 09:48:35 AM  

Beerbarian: Do you know what else exposes you to ridicule?  Being such an ass that you file a lawsuit over this.


The guy's clearly an ass but I'm not surprised by the story. Many people in academia are, for lack of a better term, "a bit off" and the politics can be downright Machiavellian. I've seen much worse behavior.
 
2017-04-16 09:52:14 AM  

PushF12: sithon: There is an additional factor to this that the article studiously avoids mentioning.
He's black, and he was insulted that the Walmart employee altered his license in order to knock him down for being uppity.

In that neighborhood, the employee was probably black too, but you tried.

If the employee was white, then this kind of person would be squealing "racism" loud enough to wake the chickens.


In Montana?? Do you know how few black people are in Montana?
 
2017-04-16 09:57:49 AM  

mesmer242: PushF12: sithon: There is an additional factor to this that the article studiously avoids mentioning.
He's black, and he was insulted that the Walmart employee altered his license in order to knock him down for being uppity.

In that neighborhood, the employee was probably black too, but you tried.

If the employee was white, then this kind of person would be squealing "racism" loud enough to wake the chickens.

In Montana?? Do you know how few black people are in Montana?


If I've done the math right using population and percentage from Wikipedia

417008
 
2017-04-16 10:15:33 AM  

SpiritualRemains: I have a few questions:
Why does the state of Montana have occupation listed on the license itself? I understand asking for that information in the first place, but what business does it have being on the fishing license?
Why did he not review the license when he got it? Errors happen and a spiteful DNR official can make your life miserable for an error that wasn't your fault.
What are the chances that they can find the employee that did this? If he did something like this, there's a good chance he got canned for something by now.
Why couldn't Walmart and the assistant professor work out some sort of agreement by now? It's been over a year since he went to the media on this.
What kind of "hatred, contempt, ridicule" did this really expose him to? It's a line on a fishing license. At best, you're getting a nuisance settlement out of this. I can't see actual damages being easy to prove.


/wipes hands on pants
//that was easy
///now to pruse the thread to see why TF Montana has an occupation line on a fishing license. Mine would say, "KING OF THE WORLD!"
 
2017-04-16 10:16:08 AM  

idrow: This is the very definition of a frivolous lawsuit.  I may have contacted corporate to alert them of the smart ass employee, but going as far as getting a lawyer is just douchy.  The guy just comes off as a pretentious butt hurt snob.


Because every time you contact corporate, you automatically get complete satisfaction.
 
2017-04-16 10:16:51 AM  
 Whenever I'm required to state my occupation I normally use the title "Sanitation Engineer" so seeing toilet cleaner on paperwork would crack me up.

/unix systems administrator
//always cleaning up someone else's mess.
///3s
 
2017-04-16 10:18:42 AM  
The Lewis and Clark expedition had a higher percentage of African Americans than the current population of Montana.
 
2017-04-16 10:28:37 AM  

WyDave: The Lewis and Clark expedition had a higher percentage of African Americans than the current population of Montana.


The population of Montana has more Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders than the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Therefore, your premise is invalid.

/but you already knew that
 
2017-04-16 10:29:08 AM  
An "assistant professor" is actually a tenure-track position, so rather high up on the scale of faculty at colleges/universities.
 
2017-04-16 10:31:26 AM  

Percise1: Vampire Lake: gonegirl: abhorrent1: "In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.

You'd be wrong. His CV indicates that he both got his first degree and taught high school there.

This makes me have a little sympathy for him. It can be really difficult to negotiate cultural differences. He may have done/said something to the Wal-Mart person that would have been ok in Zambia but not here.  Similarly, he might be reacting in a way that would be ok where he is from but seems like an overreaction to us.

If this is the case, I am inclined to think he should be more aware of cultural differences and more able to let things slide.

I worked with a guy not too long out of Africa (can not recall which country) who got himself a degree and a cushy E S&H corporate job, and while he probably could have been a nice guy, he was so full of himself that he was completely insufferable. To be fair, he was probably a success story; switched continents, learned languages and did well for himself. That is something to be proud of, and perhaps there was a cultural perspective going on as well, but it didn't change the fact that few people could stand dealing with him.

(he once freaked out when I opened a cardboard box with a pocket knife, saying I was violating company policy by carrying a concealed weapon. I told him that if I wanted to hurt him, I'd use a length of bar stock or a dead blow hammer from my tool box; the knife wasn't a concern. Good times...)


I teach with a man from Ghana who is completely pleasant, modest, and just a lovely guy to have a conversation with. My anecdotal evidence trumps yours.

The lawsuit may be overkill, but that Walmart employee was a jerk. We have zero evidence that the professor was rude to the employee, by the way. And as usual, Farkers show their complete contempt for anyone who works in education.  It's no wonder so many of you are stupid.
 
2017-04-16 10:32:38 AM  

WyDave: The Lewis and Clark expedition had a higher percentage of African Americans than the current population of Montana.


1/3rd? No sheit?
(their dog was black, and named Semen)
 
2017-04-16 10:34:06 AM  

StrandedInAZ: Percise1: Vampire Lake: gonegirl: abhorrent1: "In (Kalonde's) home country of Zambia, the people that do this work are the lowest social class, and are shunned and avoided by society,"

Has he ever even set foot in Zambia? If I had to bet, I'd say no.

You'd be wrong. His CV indicates that he both got his first degree and taught high school there.

This makes me have a little sympathy for him. It can be really difficult to negotiate cultural differences. He may have done/said something to the Wal-Mart person that would have been ok in Zambia but not here.  Similarly, he might be reacting in a way that would be ok where he is from but seems like an overreaction to us.

If this is the case, I am inclined to think he should be more aware of cultural differences and more able to let things slide.

I worked with a guy not too long out of Africa (can not recall which country) who got himself a degree and a cushy E S&H corporate job, and while he probably could have been a nice guy, he was so full of himself that he was completely insufferable. To be fair, he was probably a success story; switched continents, learned languages and did well for himself. That is something to be proud of, and perhaps there was a cultural perspective going on as well, but it didn't change the fact that few people could stand dealing with him.

(he once freaked out when I opened a cardboard box with a pocket knife, saying I was violating company policy by carrying a concealed weapon. I told him that if I wanted to hurt him, I'd use a length of bar stock or a dead blow hammer from my tool box; the knife wasn't a concern. Good times...)

I teach with a man from Ghana who is completely pleasant, modest, and just a lovely guy to have a conversation with. My anecdotal evidence trumps yours.

The lawsuit may be overkill, but that Walmart employee was a jerk. We have zero evidence that the professor was rude to the employee, by the way. And as usual, Farkers show their complete contempt for anyone who ...


Well now, someone woke up butthurt!
 
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